Rage Against the Machine - Killing In The Name for Christmas No. 1

[Stefy09]

It doesn't look like he is crying to me? Then again most of the stuff you say is ********.

Now was that necessary?

[AgnesIO]

When was buying a song immature?
They can buy what they like, your not controlling them. Your forgetting the fact that when these people where teenagers rage were popular.


People bought that song in spite.

Pathetic losers, not much mroe you could expect from the pathetic british public.

[majesticdragon]

He didn't "rely" on a talent show. He went on it and was discovered. If RATM went on a talent show, they'd immediately be kicked off. They're an attrocious rap metal band.


so true :)

and I love starting arguement it shows how pathetic these people are propablly jealous tbh and no seriously most the people I know who bought it even agree the songs rubbish

[Black_Apalachi]

Victory for the envious and spiteful teenagers. Congratulations bitter sheep!

I don't care what song is Christmas number one if it isn't a Christmas song, but "Killing in the Name of" is such a terrible song from such a terrible band, and see above for the real reason behind its success. Either way, it won't elevate their career as a band. For those who think Joe is going to fade away, he's already signed many US deals and is about to ink a deal with Disney. So tough **** for you spiteful kiddies.

Adam I understand where you're coming from, but it really wasn't about that. Well I can't speak for the population, perhaps some of them are indeed spiteful, but the point is that this was not an "attack" if you like, on Joe McElderry. It was merely a stand against the repetitiveness of the X-Factor system which churns out some mediocre singer and throws some song at them to cover in order to claim Christmas #1 year after year.

Besides, your comment comes from someone who said The Beatles were the most over-rated band in history, and you certainly showed your disapproval of X-Factor on numerous occasions in the thread for it :P.


They've always been mainstream lol, just that rock/metal fanatics don't like to admit that. I also love how so many RATM fans are the sort to claim that rap isn't music/is the worst thing in the world/is just about gangsters and drugs/etc. etc. etc. but don't remember any of that when it's by a white man with a guitar.

Good effort and all by playing the race card there, but Zack de la Rocha isn't white, sorry.


buying a song becaus you are told to because you can't make your own decisions. They didn't buy what they want, a song was picked and everyone followed..

Josh you are still missing the point. It was just a random song picked by some dude who thought it would be cool if everyone could unite to make a difference. That is a lot different to just blindly following the crowd. Everyone who purchased the single knew exactly what they were doing. What you are essentially saying, is that everyone should have gone out and bought a random song to see if they could beat the X-Factor :S.

[Neversoft]

Lol, this thread is hilarious. I'm not really a fan of Rage Against The Machine, but I gotta admit that I was rather pleased to see them win. My condolences to this X-Factor fella n'all but its the same old crap to me. Every X-Factor its the same kind of people with the same kind of music, who always win the bloody Christmas #1 thanks to the convenient timing, thank the lord we got something different this year. I've already given up on the British population as the charts are constantly filled with pop songs by the same artists which just aren't my thing, but huge props to those who actually did something about it.

[kk.]

Y'd you quote me :S

[Black_Apalachi]

Y'd you quote me :S

I forgot I had another quote. Edited now.

[FlyingJesus]

Hispanic then, but the point wasn't race anyway it was more to do with the idea that rap is suddenly "acceptable" if there's a piece of wood with strings making the noises behind it rather than synthed tracks

[Yoshimitsui]

Pretty moronic, as it'll never happen or come close. And they could have chosen a better band.

Sorry, but Karma!

[Stefy09]

Sorry, but Karma!

Hi edan, its been a long time. We need to catch up some time :eusa_danc

[kk.]

I forgot I had another quote. Edited now.

The point I made was about Paul calling misawa immature, and me saying 30 year olds are because they're buying a single to deprive an ACTUAL popular Song the top spot. Nothing about me missing the point..

[Rixion]

The new number 1 wasnt really about the song.. just stopping Simon Cowell. :/

Well he got number 1 in Ireland!

[Black_Apalachi]

Hispanic then, but the point wasn't race anyway it was more to do with the idea that rap is suddenly "acceptable" if there's a piece of wood with strings making the noises behind it rather than synthed tracks

You tried to put a racial spin on it. Maybe it's because the whole song isn't just rasp alone. Besides, people don't necessarily listen to a song like KITN because it's audibly pleasing, but more because of what it stands for which makes it perfect for this cause. I bet most of the kids complaining about it don't even have the slighest idea what Killing In The Name is all about anyway :rolleyes:.


The point I made was about Paul calling misawa immature, and me saying 30 year olds are because they're buying a single to deprive an ACTUAL popular Song the top spot. Nothing about me missing the point..

Therefore you missed the point.

[kk.]

I didn't miss the point fgs.. It's because people were fed up with the x factor almost being guaranteed the top spot. If 30 year olds are being told to buy a certain song just because they don't like one show, then I don't know what some people class as immature..

[kk.]

And listening to the lyrics of KITN I presume it's about not doing what youre told. It's such a poorly written song, it has just 6 lines of lyrics just repeated over and over

[Wig44.]

And listening to the lyrics of KITN I presume it's about not doing what youre told. It's such a poorly written song, it has just 6 lines of lyrics just repeated over and over

It's not poorly written. The repetition is for effect - usually when people repeat the same lyrics to the same rhythm it's ******* annoying but here it's symbolic.

[FlyingJesus]

You tried to put a racial spin on it. Maybe it's because the whole song isn't just rasp alone. Besides, people don't necessarily listen to a song like KITN because it's audibly pleasing, but more because of what it stands for which makes it perfect for this cause. I bet most of the kids complaining about it don't even have the slighest idea what Killing In The Name is all about anyway :rolleyes:.

I'm willing to bet more people who bought it don't get what it's about, because if they really did they wouldn't have become part of the single biggest mass conformity in music this decade :P

[Black_Apalachi]

I didn't miss the point fgs.. It's because people were fed up with the x factor almost being guaranteed the top spot. If 30 year olds are being told to buy a certain song just because they don't like one show, then I don't know what some people class as immature..

Their age is irrelevant :S.


And listening to the lyrics of KITN I presume it's about not doing what youre told. It's such a poorly written song, it has just 6 lines of lyrics just repeated over and over

Wrong.


I'm willing to bet more people who bought it don't get what it's about, because if they really did they wouldn't have become part of the single biggest mass conformity in music this decade :P

That's not what it's about........ LMAO

[Nixt]

That's not what it's about........ LMAO

He didn't say what he thinks it is about, he said if the majority of people who bought it did know what it was about, they probably wouldn't have actually bought it.

[Black_Apalachi]

He didn't say what he thinks it is about, he said if the majority of people who bought it did know what it was about, they probably wouldn't have actually bought it.

Actually he implied it was about mass-conformity. In fact it relates to members of various police forces in the US also being members of the KKK, hence the opening lines; 'Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses' and others such as; 'Those who died, are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites'.

[samsaBEAR]

Brittany Murphy has died. Pathetic teens turn off your nonsense spouts and mourn.

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who?

I am very surprised that RATM won, but fair play to them. Anything to see that **** Joe get knocked down a few pegs

[Immenseman]

Pretty moronic, as it'll never happen or come close. And they could have chosen a better band.


lol, thats not even a plausible idea.


i love you for loving architects.



also this wont happen as nobody will buy the song, just hype.

kthxbai


Scott mills was just talking about it and how hundreds of thousands are supporting this and how millions of people watch X Factor. I might support it if it wasn't some rubbish like Rage Against The Machine. As much as I don't want X Factor to be Christmas number one again I'd rather Joe/Stacey/Olly were over RATM, for sure lol.


I second this :)


this will get into the top 40, but not number 1.
for the record, rage against the machine are a sweet band.


I highly doubt it. The vast majority of the people in the group won't even be buying it, and will be relying on everyone else to. In fact, most people join the group simply because they've been invited, and probably don't even know what it's about.


im 99% sure it'll be joe at #1, rage 2nd and gaga 3rd.

you lot were wrong. all noobs. lol only did first 5 pages bet there are loads of posts.

[kk.]

you lot were wrong. all noobs. lol only did first 5 pages bet there are loads of posts.

LOL you quoted yourself on purpose?

[Southe,]

meh ive liked RATM for many years so when i heard about it i downloaded the song because i hate the Xfactor. Plus it was good to hear it playing over the radio at work and watch the old people look confused.

Plus i only payed for the song when they said if they won they would do a free show so yea plus some of the money they make is going to charity.

[kk.]

who?

I am very surprised that RATM won, but fair play to them. Anything to see that **** Joe get knocked down a few pegs
i wonder if youd support rage as much if olly had won..

[Antallica]

Well Done Rage.
Free UK Gig.

[Wig44.]

http://www.joemcelderry.com/index.php/topic,1205.0.html

Some of the **** on this Joe Mcelderry forum is astounding. They think that RATM will not be remembered in 10 years whereas Joe will be remembered for decades to come, they think the song is aimed at Xfactor, Simon, Joe (and been written about them) to name a few idiocies. That thread cracked me up too as there is some idiot crying how Joe didn't hit #1 and we (people who supported ratm) are evil and should not sleep well tonight as we deprived a really talented singer..

I don't get all this 'he is sooo talented he should have won!!!' Sure he's got talent, but that song was ******* awful, and the guy seems a ****. How long before he fades away?

[kk.]

I don't get all this 'he is sooo talented he should have won!!!' Sure he's got talent, but that song was ******* awful, and the guy seems a ****. How long before he fades away?

i assume you didnt watch the x factor because you mustve just judged him on that one article from THE SUN, big emphasis on the source of the newspaper since RATM even contacted them to get a sales boost. if youd have watched the x factor and xtra factor, youd know that he really wasnt lol.

[Stefy09]

http://www.joemcelderry.com/index.php/topic,1205.0.html

Some of the **** on this Joe Mcelderry forum is astounding. They think that RATM will not be remembered in 10 years whereas Joe will be remembered for decades to come, they think the song is aimed at Xfactor, Simon, Joe (and been written about them) to name a few idiocies. That thread cracked me up too as there is some idiot crying how Joe didn't hit #1 and we (people who supported ratm) are evil and should not sleep well tonight as we deprived a really talented singer..

I don't get all this 'he is sooo talented he should have won!!!' Sure he's got talent, but that song was ******* awful, and the guy seems a ****. How long before he fades away?

" www.joemcelderry.com (http://www.joemcelderry.com) "

Are you that dumb to go on a website.. A FANSITE FOR JOE MCELDERRY and then post on here laughing at JOE MCELDERRY FANS because they like joe and think he should of got number 1?

[untrustus]

" www.joemcelderry.com (http://www.joemcelderry.com) "

Are you that dumb to go on a website.. A FANSITE FOR JOE MCELDERRY and then post on here laughing at JOE MCELDERRY FANS because they like joe and think he should of got number 1?
no, he's laughing at the idiocy of some of the members. it's one thing being a fan and thinking he deserves it, but saying rage won't be remembered in 10 years and joe will be remembered for decades is hilarious.

[Immenseman]

LOL you quoted yourself on purpose?
yes lmao i'm not that stupid i just knew people would cry and get all touchy because that's generally what people do on here

[kk.]

yes lmao i'm not that stupid i just knew people would cry and get all touchy because that's generally what people do on here

i thought u did :P aw ur no noob jakey :]

[Black_Apalachi]

i wonder if youd support rage as much if olly had won..

For the love of God, IT'S NOT ABOUT JOE MCELDERRY IT'S ABOUT THE X-FACTOR/SIMON COWELL. :eusa_wall


http://www.joemcelderry.com/index.php/topic,1205.0.html

Some of the **** on this Joe Mcelderry forum is astounding. They think that RATM will not be remembered in 10 years whereas Joe will be remembered for decades to come, they think the song is aimed at Xfactor, Simon, Joe (and been written about them) to name a few idiocies. ...

That's because they're all ignorant little kids who hadn't even heard of the song before (like Joe McElderry lol).


... That thread cracked me up too as there is some idiot crying how Joe didn't hit #1 and we (people who supported ratm) are evil and should not sleep well tonight as we deprived a really talented singer.. ...

Woah we're evil for donating to homeless people at Christmas time instead of paying for the Christmas do Cowell and his chums would have had to celebrate if Joe had won. It's so ironic!

[kk.]

For the love of God, IT'S NOT ABOUT JOE MCELDERRY IT'S ABOUT THE X-FACTOR/SIMON COWELL. :eusa_wall


for the love of God, do you not read anything!! samsaBEAR said earlier that olly shouldve won which is where this comment stems from.

[Smits]

for the love of God, do you not read anything!! samsaBEAR said earlier that olly shouldve won which is where this comment stems from.

But olly didnt win so it's irrelevant.


End of the day he's done well to get to second, or to even be in the charts. He might be number one next week, but pretty soon all the little teenage girls will lose interest and the next disney star will take over. Unless Joe lands a disney role which is possible.

[-:Undertaker:-]

The RATM song is awful, just a racket. I'm not a big fan of this years X Factors winner, but at least hes good (although not amazingly good).

[kk.]

But olly didnt win so it's irrelevant.


End of the day he's done well to get to second, or to even be in the charts. He might be number one next week, but pretty soon all the little teenage girls will lose interest and the next disney star will take over. Unless Joe lands a disney role which is possible.

olly didnt win no, but, if he had done, it wouldve been a different matter..

joe is apparently in talks with disney, yes.

[Bun]

let's be honest. the only reason RATM won is because the internet is full of greasy long haired computer geeks who actually enjoy listening to that... noise. plus if it wasn't for the snow keeping she shoppers away, it would have been a completely different story.

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[Smits]

let's be honest. the only reason RATM won is because the internet is full of greasy long haired computer geeks who actually enjoy listening to that... noise. plus if it wasn't for the snow keeping she shoppers away, it would have been a completely different story.

No, it wouldnt, you can buy online beleive it or not.

But yeah, i agree with the internet thing.

And no i don't really think it would of been a different story with olly, even hough he's better and more likeable to a wider audience than joe, people are still sick of simon cowell gettign all the money.

[Black_Apalachi]

olly didnt win no, but, if he had done, it wouldve been a different matter..

joe is apparently in talks with disney, yes.

it's probably Disney's ******* song!

[Bun]

No, it wouldnt, you can buy online beleive it or not.

But yeah, i agree with the internet thing.

And no i don't really think it would of been a different story with olly, even hough he's better and more likeable to a wider audience than joe, people are still sick of simon cowell gettign all the money.
yeah i know that lmao. but if you think of target audience, a lot of the older audience who would have voted would not be able to download it, as they prefer buying CDs.

[kk.]

No, it wouldnt, you can buy online beleive it or not.

But yeah, i agree with the internet thing.

And no i don't really think it would of been a different story with olly, even hough he's better and more likeable to a wider audience than joe, people are still sick of simon cowell gettign all the money.

no i mean it would be a different story for samsa. not for the chart position. he wouldnt be cheering had it have been olly that came 2nd in the charts.

and people can buy online, yes, but, youre forgetting people over 40 wouldnt know where to start. or at least the majority of them

[AgnesIO]

No, it wouldnt, you can buy online beleive it or not.

But yeah, i agree with the internet thing.

And no i don't really think it would of been a different story with olly, even hough he's better and more likeable to a wider audience than joe, people are still sick of simon cowell gettign all the money.

If people bought the RATM **** as they are sick of Cowell getting all the money, then they are complete mugs.

RATM are on SImon's record label.

[samsaBEAR]

i wonder if youd support rage as much if olly had won..
aha, i didn't really support rage at all, i didn't buy the song. but you're right, i probably would've bought olly's a few times if he had won x factor


let's be honest. the only reason RATM won is because the internet is full of greasy long haired computer geeks who actually enjoy listening to that... noise. plus if it wasn't for the snow keeping she shoppers away, it would have been a completely different story.
how about you take your head out of your arse and stop stereotyping RATM fans? judging by your post, you're clearly a tracky pant wearing yob who likes to go around causing mayhem because your parents didn't bring you up properly.

i don't know why all the Joe fans are all getting major buthurt and making excuses over this. the point is, RATM fans were more dedicated to getting them to number 1. sotp making excuses and face up to the fact that Joe lost, it has nothing to do with the snow or **** like that, that's why iTunes and Amazon MP3 and all that was invented, so you can download a song from the luxury of your own home.

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[FlyingJesus]

Wupwupwupwup what did she sayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Sorry I thought the thread needed at least some semblance of good music and I don't think anything new's been said for a while anyway it's just abuse (mainly aural from the two contending songs)

[Black_Apalachi]

If people bought the RATM **** as they are sick of Cowell getting all the money, then they are complete mugs.

RATM are on SImon's record label.

Nope, it was because they are sick of X-Factor automatically getting #1 at this time of year EVERY year.
Nope, the label is Sony and some of the money for RATM was donated to charity :).

[Nixt]

Funny thing that this controversy will prob help him stick around a little longer.

[AgnesIO]

Nope, it was because they are sick of X-Factor automatically getting #1 at this time of year EVERY year.
Nope, the label is Sony and some of the money for RATM was donated to charity :).
The label is Sony indeed.

Syco Music is sony.

[Sunnily]

Lol this is like war but with x factor finally failing for once. You can't say that rage against the machine was the best song at all.

[kk.]

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/news/a192448/joe-mcelderry-on-course-for-no-1.html

that's good (:


Joe McElderry 'on course for No. 1'
Tuesday, December 22 2009, 12:14 GMT
By David Balls, Music Reporter

Rex Features
Joe McElderry is on course to reach number one with his single 'The Climb', according to midweek sales figures.

The X Factor winner, who was sensationally held off the Christmas top spot by Rage Against The Machine's 'Killing In The Name', is currently outselling his rivals by two to one.

'The Climb' has shifted 80,000 copies over the past two days, while 'Killing In The Name' has sold 40,000.

McElderry's success has been driven by CD sales of 'The Climb', which stand at 53,000 so far this week.

X Factor judge Louis Walsh recently claimed that the track, which sold 450,000 copies last week, could pass the million mark in the New Year.

Lady GaGa's single 'Bad Romance' is currently in third place, figures from the Official Charts Company reveal.

On the album chart, Michael Buble's Crazy Love has a marginal lead of 5,000 over Susan Boyle's I Dreamed A Dream, which has held the top spot for the past four weeks.

[Bun]

how about you take your head out of your arse and stop stereotyping RATM fans? judging by your post, you're clearly a tracky pant wearing yob who likes to go around causing mayhem because your parents didn't bring you up properly.

aww cutee, save it. now if you don't mind i'm off to cause some mayhem.






and no, i just tell the truth.

[samsaBEAR]

aww cutee, save it. now if you don't mind i'm off to cause some mayhem.






and no, i just tell the truth.

i feel sorry for your parents

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[Lost_Addict]

this will get into the top 40, but not number 1.
for the record, rage against the machine are a sweet band.

^^ After not reading this thread until now i couldn't help but lol at this

Oh and simons record label and the record label that are with RATM are both run by sony, but simon cowel will not get any money from this. (glad some goes to charity)

I was all for RATM winning, not because it was the best song, far from it infact. but i to am sick of X factor winning rofl. but to be honest the facebook group that started it all could of picked a better song to try to get number 1 like dancing in the moonlight by toploaders.... maybe next year XD.

on the + side RATM are holding a free concert to say thanks, so thats cool.

[IceNineKills]

^^ After not reading this thread until now i couldn't help but lol at this

Oh and simons record label and the record label that are with RATM are both run by sony, but simon cowel will not get any money from this. (glad some goes to charity)

I was all for RATM winning, not because it was the best song, far from it infact. but i to am sick of X factor winning rofl. but to be honest the facebook group that started it all could of picked a better song to try to get number 1 like dancing in the moonlight by toploaders.... maybe next year XD.

on the + side RATM are holding a free concert to say thanks, so thats cool.

RATM's song was picked for a reason.

[AgnesIO]

RATM's song was picked for a reason.

The guy that started the group loves the band.

[Lost_Addict]

^^ that made me lol XD

[iAdam]

All people who are saying that they are sick of xfactor winning;

The public control the charts to the most extent, apart from the labels who buy their own single, so obviously it's the public who choose the christmas no.1 so no reason to be sick of xfactor winning it as it is our fault? surely?

[Bun]

i feel sorry for your parents

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don't, it's there fault i'm such a problemed child. :(:(


and yeah, ul joe w/e

[TheMagicTramp]

I'll be listening to this when eating my dinner :rolleyes:

[Black_Apalachi]

I'll be listening to this when eating my dinner :rolleyes:

Might be just me but I think I've noticed many shows are avoiding paying it. For example, there was a TOTP Christmas Special on earlier which I thought would include the top 10 or whatever but the synopsis for it said something like; 'a collection of festive tunes' even though they did play some past Christmas #1s that are not festive (and although the voice-over guy was ripping the piss out of the X-Factor). Likewise, C4's Christmas Top 40 had a synopsis like; 'our pick of the best songs this Christmas' or something similar, meaning they could easily avoid playing something if they wanted to (although I didn't watch this show).

I'm just guessing most of the TV/radio shows which are used to playing your regular pop music will probably try to steer away from airing such a "controversial" song, if you like.

[FlyingJesus]

I think it's more the fact that the listeners on your average radio show don't want to hear it - not trying to start more arguments here, that's pure fact. If they did they'd be listening to rock radio channels or CDs

[TheMagicTramp]

I'd just listen Joe McElderry song instead then i don't care if he isn't christmas number one

[Black_Apalachi]

I think it's more the fact that the listeners on your average radio show don't want to hear it - not trying to start more arguments here, that's pure fact. If they did they'd be listening to rock radio channels or CDs

Yeah, but I'm talking about the BBC and Channel 4 lol.

[Sly]

I think the song is crap and Joe was robbed, he achieved his dream by winning x-factor and then he didn't even get the same reward as previous winners.
And besides that, the climb is a good song in my opinion.

[Black_Apalachi]

I think the song is crap and Joe was robbed, he achieved his dream by winning x-factor and then he didn't even get the same reward as previous winners.
And besides that, the climb is a good song in my opinion.

I'm pretty sure he was the opposite of robbed!

[samsaBEAR]

I think the song is crap and Joe was robbed, he achieved his dream by winning x-factor and then he didn't even get the same reward as previous winners.
And besides that, the climb is a good song in my opinion.
He wasn't robbed. You cqn't blame this on RATM, the campaign or their fans. If Joe's fans were dedicated enough then he would've won

[AgnesIO]

He wasn't robbed. You cqn't blame this on RATM, the campaign or their fans. If Joe's fans were dedicated enough then he would've won

What a ridiculous comment.

So if I am a fan of Daughtry, I am not a proper fan unless I buy 2,000 copies of each of their singles.

Yeh. right.

[samsaBEAR]

What a ridiculous comment.

So if I am a fan of Daughtry, I am not a proper fan unless I buy 2,000 copies of each of their singles.

Yeh. right.
No that's not what I'm saying at all, although if you are indeed a fan of Daughtry I suggest you bathe your ears in some acid.
What I'm saying is, all these people saying that Joe was unfairly robbed and all this ********, this happened because RATM's fans were dedicated to getting them to number 1. They actually tried to achieve it. Joe's fans did quite the opposite, they all just assumed that Joe would win, so either a) the majority of people didn't buy it, or b) they all bought one copy.
I'm not saying you need to buy large amounts of copies to be a fan, quite the contrary, I've bought about 3 albums in my 200+ collection, but when this 'war' was first announced, Joe's fans should've thought to themselves 'Oh yes, this could 'ob'Joe of his well deserved number 1'

[AgnesIO]

No that's not what I'm saying at all, although if you are indeed a fan of Daughtry I suggest you bathe your ears in some acid.
What I'm saying is, all these people saying that Joe was unfairly robbed and all this ********, this happened because RATM's fans were dedicated to getting them to number 1. They actually tried to achieve it. Joe's fans did quite the opposite, they all just assumed that Joe would win, so either a) the majority of people didn't buy it, or b) they all bought one copy.
I'm not saying you need to buy large amounts of copies to be a fan, quite the contrary, I've bought about 3 albums in my 200+ collection, but when this 'war' was first announced, Joe's fans should've thought to themselves 'Oh yes, this could 'ob'Joe of his well deserved number 1'

Daugtry are an exceptionally good band, infact compared to RATM..

And 90% of the people that bought RATM don't even like them. Fact.

[samsaBEAR]

I don't like either of them, but you cannot equally compare Daughtry to RATM, that's absurd.
That's not a fact at all, *REMOVED*

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[joshuar]

You can't make assumptions like that unless you asked each person who bought a copy of the single if they like the band or have heard their other stuff.

I agree with Sam here, Rage "supporters" simply cared more to buy the single (possibly even more than once) than Joe's did, resulting in his defeat.

I also must chime in that the comments of "he worked really hard, he deserves it" are crap. I don't think anybody "deserves to be number 1", it's just simply who the public buy more of, and it's not an accurate reflection of the UK's opinion. As this thread proves!

[Black_Apalachi]

You can't make assumptions like that unless you asked each person who bought a copy of the single if they like the band or have heard their other stuff.

I agree with Sam here, Rage "supporters" simply cared more to buy the single (possibly even more than once) than Joe's did, resulting in his defeat.

I also must chime in that the comments of "he worked really hard, he deserves it" are crap. I don't think anybody "deserves to be number 1", it's just simply who the public buy more of, and it's not an accurate reflection of the UK's opinion. As this thread proves!

..yep, and he didn't exactly work his way there either :P.

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What a ridiculous comment.

So if I am a fan of Daughtry, I am not a proper fan unless I buy 2,000 copies of each of their singles.

Yeh. right.

Anyone who purchased more than a couple copies, wouldn't have been included in the charts. And are you that naiive to not think a lot of the Joe fans wouldn't have bought multiple copies of his song anyway? :S

[Cheryl]

i agree with the principles of the facebook group, but they could have chosen a better song.

[kk.]

..yep, and he didn't exactly work his way there either :P.

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Anyone who purchased more than a couple copies, wouldn't have been included in the charts. And are you that naiive to not think a lot of the Joe fans wouldn't have bought multiple copies of his song anyway? :S

You could buy 3 copies from every site without them knowing each day. They don't ask everyone who bought 1 if they bulk bought, they just allow 3 copies without it looking suspicious :)

[Rock]

Last time I checked RATM was down to 5th on most downloaded on iTunes?

1. Joe McElderry
2. Lady GaGa

[Black_Apalachi]

You could buy 3 copies from every site without them knowing each day. They don't ask everyone who bought 1 if they bulk bought, they just allow 3 copies without it looking suspicious :)

You could do that with any song.

[AgnesIO]

You could do that with any song.

Yes but the only time people tend to do that is when they are have perfecting little rants at how X Factor wins.

Whats the most stupid fact is, IT IS THE PUBLIC THAT MAKE X FACTOR WIN IT EVERY YEAR.

And as usual its the british public being pathetic.

[samsaBEAR]

Yes but the only time people tend to do that is when they are have perfecting little rants at how X Factor wins.

Whats the most stupid fact is, IT IS THE PUBLIC THAT MAKE X FACTOR WIN IT EVERY YEAR.

And as usual its the british public being pathetic.

are you ******** about RATM being number 1? Because hello, the public decided on them too

[AgnesIO]

are you ******** about RATM being number 1? Because hello, the public decided on them too


I am not bothered that X Factor didn't get it, as I don't really like Joe anyway?

I just find it crazy that people think people boightthe RATM song because they actually like it..

I look forward to seeing RATM win a song for #1 every week.

[Niall!]

I am not bothered that X Factor didn't get it, as I don't really like Joe anyway?

I just find it crazy that people think people boightthe RATM song because they actually like it..

I look forward to seeing RATM win a song for #1 every week.

Are you implying no-one likes RATM?

[samsaBEAR]

I am not bothered that X Factor didn't get it, as I don't really like Joe anyway?

I just find it crazy that people think people boightthe RATM song because they actually like it..

I look forward to seeing RATM win a song for #1 every week.

*REMOVED* If your piss poor daughtry band get even half the fans that rage have, it'll be a miracle. I don't like rage, but it's quite obvious that a lot of people do

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[Charlottay!]

I no alot of people who bought the song just because they hate the x-factor. they dont even like RATM.

p.s Daughtry are amazing

[samsaBEAR]

I no alot of people who bought the song just because they hate the x-factor. they dont even like RATM.

p.s Daughtry are amazing
well yes i accept that, but demala was obviously implying that a minority of the buyers were RATM fans, which is just stupid.

p.s you need your ears checked

[Bun]

aww c'mon if you like RATM and don't like Daughtry you're abnormal. :S i'm not a big fan of Daughtry but it's decent music, not let's-get-some-greasy-haired-kids-psyched-up-with-our-crap-shouting.

[AgnesIO]

Are you implying no-one likes RATM?

I am implying that many people who bought the song don't. Of course some (strange) people like them.


*REMOVED* If your piss poor daughtry band get even half the fans that rage have, it'll be a miracle. I don't like rage, but it's quite obvious that a lot of people do

Edited by SuperNic. (Forum Moderator): Please don't be rude, thanks.


Hmm can you explain why then RATM haven't had a number one in YEARS, yet suddenly when X factor wins, everyone buys it? Oh yeahhh its because of all those lifelong fans.

[Black_Apalachi]

Yes but the only time people tend to do that is when they are have perfecting little rants at how X Factor wins.

Whats the most stupid fact is, IT IS THE PUBLIC THAT MAKE X FACTOR WIN IT EVERY YEAR.

And as usual its the british public being pathetic.

You make it sound like it has happened countless times before (people downloading a song to prevent another from winning)? :S

[Wig44.]

Daugtry are an exceptionally good band, infact compared to RATM..

And 90% of the people that bought RATM don't even like them. Fact.

*REMOVED*

Edited by SuperNic. (Forum Moderator): Please don't be rude or insult other forum members.

[Black_Apalachi]

Daugtry are an exceptionally good band, infact compared to RATM..

And 90% of the people that bought RATM don't even like them. Fact.

RATM are the best band in the universe. Fact.







wonders how long it will be before my "fact" is objected to.

[kk.]

RATM are the best band in the universe. Fact.







wonders how long it will be before my "fact" is objected to.

40 minutes. They most certainly aren't :P

[samsaBEAR]

I am implying that many people who bought the song don't. Of course some (strange) people like them.




Hmm can you explain why then RATM haven't had a number one in YEARS, yet suddenly when X factor wins, everyone buys it? Oh yeahhh its because of all those lifelong fans.

just because a band hasn't had a number 1, doesn't mean they're not popular. If you're that thick to believe that then really the best course of action is to burn your ears

[Black_Apalachi]

... Hmm can you explain why then RATM haven't had a number one in YEARS, yet suddenly when X factor wins, everyone buys it? Oh yeahhh its because of all those lifelong fans.

Because they haven't done anything in 18 years? :S You're basically just brining up the fact they are still popular after nearly two decades. Well done for shooting yourself in the foot!

[AgnesIO]

just because a band hasn't had a number 1, doesn't mean they're not popular. If you're that thick to believe that then really the best course of action is to burn your ears


No band stops getting number ones for years, then suddenly gets one randomely.

Oh unless someone in the band died, then they probably would.

But PLEASE post as link to where someone from the band died lately xx

[Black_Apalachi]

No band stops getting number ones for years, then suddenly gets one randomely. ...

Why not? :S Please don't make foolish statements that you've just pulled out of the air.

[AgnesIO]

Why not? :S Please don't make foolish statements that you've just pulled out of the air.


Because that isn't a foolish statement thats FACT.

How often to the Beatles get #1 now? And let me tell you now, whether you like it or not MILLIONS more people like the Beatles than that ear killing crap.

[kk.]

Take that. Not the same but it's a band that stopped getting number ones for 10 years then did.

[AgnesIO]

Take that. Not the same but it's a band that stopped getting number ones for 10 years then did.

Take that still actually make music.

[samsaBEAR]

Take that still actually make music.

RATM are writing their new album actually

[AgnesIO]

RATM are writing their new album actually

I offer 5 months Donator it does not get #1

[samsaBEAR]

it probably won't, but that doesn't it mean it won't be popular within their 'scene'. just because it's not the pop **** you like doesn't mean it's not popular full stop

[AgnesIO]

it probably won't, but that doesn't it mean it won't be popular within their 'scene'. just because it's not the pop **** you like doesn't mean it's not popular full stop

You mean Modern Rock by 'pop'.

I am just stating that songs don't get number one once and not again.

Basically you saying that everyone who bought the song likes RATM is clearly ********. Or maybe more of their songs might actually get #1

[samsaBEAR]

i never said that everyone who bought it was a RATM fan

[AgnesIO]

i never said that everyone who bought it was a RATM fan



well yes i accept that, but demala was obviously implying that a minority of the buyers were RATM fans, which is just stupid.


PLEASE explain how you were not implying that most people were their fans that buy all their new stuff (oh wait they don't).

[kk.]

PLEASE explain how you were not implying that most people were their fans that buy all their new stuff (oh wait they don't).

he said that most are fans, some arent. never said most arent fans

[AgnesIO]

he said that most are fans, some arent. never said most arent fans

But if most are fans they would get in the charts at a fairly high place most weeks.

[kk.]

i think it being in second this week showed that people still wanted to buy the song..

[samsaBEAR]

But if most are fans they would get in the charts at a fairly high place most weeks.

you know what, i'm getting far too many infractions from this thread trying to explain this to you. You're clearly far too thick to understand what i'm trying to say

[Black_Apalachi]

Because that isn't a foolish statement thats FACT.

How often to the Beatles get #1 now? And let me tell you now, whether you like it or not MILLIONS more people like the Beatles than that ear killing crap.

OK then, if you're allowed to state random things as facts, I don't see why I shouldn't be allowed to say; the music you like is ****. FACT.

And duuh... the Beatles are one of the best bands, if not the most iconic of all time... you do realise I'm from Liverpool lol?

GUESS WHAT HUNNY, RATM ARE A BAND THAT GOT NUMBER 1 AGAINAFTER 10 YEARS!!! :)

[AgnesIO]

you know what, i'm getting far too many infractions from this thread trying to explain this to you. You're clearly far too thick to understand what i'm trying to say

Yeh that could be another infraction.

But since I am not reporting the posts, it might not be :rolleyes:


OK then, if you're allowed to state random things as facts, I don't see why I shouldn't be allowed to say; the music you like is ****. FACT.

And duuh... the Beatles are one of the best bands, if not the most iconic of all time... you do realise I'm from Liverpool lol?

GUESS WHAT HUNNY, RATM ARE A BAND THAT GOT NUMBER 1 AGAINAFTER 10 YEARS!!! :)

I don't give a **** Joe or anybody else didn't get number one, I just find it pathetic people only bought the song out of despise of THEMSELVES.

And I don't care you are from Liverpool, does that make you feel like the Beatles are your brothers or something?

[theman0001]

But if most are fans they would get in the charts at a fairly high place most weeks.

Once you have the CD you are not going to go and buy it again the next week

[Black_Apalachi]

Yeh that could be another infraction.

But since I am not reporting the posts, it might not be :rolleyes:



I don't give a **** Joe or anybody else didn't get number one, I just find it pathetic people only bought the song out of despise of THEMSELVES.

And I don't care you are from Liverpool, does that make you feel like the Beatles are your brothers or something?

What, people bought a song because they despise themselves? Make sense please :S. And you seemed to suggest I didn't rate the Beatles highly, is all.

[AgnesIO]

Once you have the CD you are not going to go and buy it again the next week

They have more than one song.


What, people bought a song because they despise themselves? Make sense please :S. And you seemed to suggest I didn't rate the Beatles highly, is all.

What I am saying is that it is the public who moaned about X Factor winning every year, yet it is the dumb public who buy the X Factor song that made it Number 1 every year.

[Black_Apalachi]

Well obviously it is two different sectors of the public. And I would hardly call the ones who purchased a song to make a point "dumb" over those who waste countless amounts of money voting on these shows and then go and buy the winner's single regardless of who or what it is because it's popular at the time. And NO this isn't the same as what people did with RATM. They consciously decided to purchase it to work together and make a point, meanwhile they have carried on with their normal lives and normal, personal song-purchasing habits.

[samsaBEAR]

They have more than one song.

what you are clearly misinformed about is how bands release their music. In pop music they release an album, then pretty much every song on it because the dumb public will get all the singles as well, hello lots of money. In the 'alternative' scene, where RATM could fit into, the fans are more intelligent, and are only going to buy an album once, maybe twice if they want a vinyl copy too. The bands will only release like one song that'll promote the album and that's it

[hoozy.02]

Lol @ all the idiots on the first page who are now eating their words.

[Black_Apalachi]

Lol @ all the idiots on the first page who are now eating their words.

luvs it :)

[theman0001]

They have more than one song.

really? do they have some albums too? :eusa_wall

[AgnesIO]

what you are clearly misinformed about is how bands release their music. In pop music they release an album, then pretty much every song on it because the dumb public will get all the singles as well, hello lots of money. In the 'alternative' scene, where RATM could fit into, the fans are more intelligent, and are only going to buy an album once, maybe twice if they want a vinyl copy too. The bands will only release like one song that'll promote the album and that's it


RATM are ******* terrible, one of the most overrated bands in the world. I completely agree with tom, this won't happen. There will never be enough people to beat the millions of people that'll buy the x factor single, and let's face it, only sad ***** will buy multiple copies of the same single


actually there's nothing worse than people who accuse others of something they haven't done. We're not calling them idiots because of their dire music taste, they're idiots for thinking this will ever work


Yehh you are one hell of a ******* hypocrite.

[samsaBEAR]

Yehh you are one hell of a ******* hypocrite.

wow you caught me out, fair play to you, no point trying to defend myself. now go out and do something constructive like getting a decent music taste and we can be besties for life <3