Rage Against the Machine - Killing In The Name for Christmas No. 1

[Axel]

http://www.facebook.com/#/group.php?gid=2228594104&ref=mf

Make it happen, people!

Thread closed by invincible (Forum Super Moderator): A lot of infractions have been issued in this thread, I feel that the argument is now turning too personal therefore the thread is now closed.

[Misawa]

Pretty moronic, as it'll never happen or come close. And they could have chosen a better band.

[Axel]

How do you know it'll never happen? A similar thing happened last year with the other X factor winner's song, which was a cover of the original hallelujah, so loads of people bought the original hallelujah and it came 2nd.

And I couldn't think of a better song to do this with really.

[FlyingJesus]

It's a terrible song by a terrible band who make song after song after song that all sound exactly the same. The facebook group is full of idiots who don't have a clue how the music industry works (ie: fail to realise that the record labels buy hundreds of thousands of the single to ensure its success, fail to realise that half of the members won't bother looking for the RATM single, fail to realise that the half who do will soon find that it's not as readily available as they think and will give up, etc etc) and it's basically an excuse for me to look at which of my friends I should never speak to again.

There is nothing more detrimental to the music industry than rock/metal fanatics who believe music isn't music if it doesn't have a guitar in it.

[Axel]

It's a terrible song by a terrible band who make song after song after song that all sound exactly the same. The facebook group is full of idiots who don't have a clue how the music industry works (ie: fail to realise that the record labels buy hundreds of thousands of the single to ensure its success, fail to realise that half of the members won't bother looking for the RATM single, fail to realise that the half who do will soon find that it's not as readily available as they think and will give up, etc etc) and it's basically an excuse for me to look at which of my friends I should never speak to again.

There is nothing more detrimental to the music industry than rock/metal fanatics who believe music isn't music if it doesn't have a guitar in it.

Oh, I agree with your post, except for the first line. But, it'd be nice if it did happen.

[Misawa]

I'd rather have X Factor at number one than some terrible rap-metal band who are way past their hay-day.

[samsaBEAR]

RATM are ******* terrible, one of the most overrated bands in the world. I completely agree with tom, this won't happen. There will never be enough people to beat the millions of people that'll buy the x factor single, and let's face it, only sad ***** will buy multiple copies of the same single

[dirrty]

lol, thats not even a plausible idea.

[Misawa]

The fact is, more people watch X Factor each week than there are fans of that band in existence. It's completely pointless.

[redtom]

Its just a facebook group people who join are most likely not going to go out and buy the song, there not idiots they just support a band they like, so please don’t go around calling people who like a different type of music to you idiots.

There’s nothing worse than people who hate a genre of music for no reason and choose to stereotype the people who like it.

[FlyingJesus]

Its just a facebook group people who join are most likely not going to go out and buy the song, there not idiots they just support a band they like, so please don’t go around calling people who like a different type of music to you idiots.

There’s nothing worse than people who hate a genre of music for no reason and choose to stereotype the people who like it.

No-one's done either of those things

[samsaBEAR]

Its just a facebook group people who join are most likely not going to go out and buy the song, there not idiots they just support a band they like, so please don’t go around calling people who like a different type of music to you idiots.

There’s nothing worse than people who hate a genre of music for no reason and choose to stereotype the people who like it.

actually there's nothing worse than people who accuse others of something they haven't done. We're not calling them idiots because of their dire music taste, they're idiots for thinking this will ever work

[Black_Apalachi]

It's a terrible song by a terrible band who make song after song after song that all sound exactly the same. The facebook group is full of idiots who don't have a clue how the music industry works (ie: fail to realise that the record labels buy hundreds of thousands of the single to ensure its success, fail to realise that half of the members won't bother looking for the RATM single, fail to realise that the half who do will soon find that it's not as readily available as they think and will give up, etc etc) and it's basically an excuse for me to look at which of my friends I should never speak to again. ...

Bold = your fail bigger than all the other fails you mentioned, put together.

The people saying anyone who joins that group are idiots, you're the real idiots for taking it so seriously. Yes I'd love for this to happen, it would be a great laugh but I joined it as a joke. I don't actually think there's much chance of it happening.

And FJ,


... There is nothing more detrimental to the music industry than rock/metal fanatics who believe music isn't music if it doesn't have a guitar in it.

That's a far superior philosophy than whatever you call music if you like the **** that is churned out from the X-Factor. Axel's point about Hallelujah actually reassures me that there are still some members of the British public that know what music is. The fact that Alexandra Burke tried to turn that into a happy song says it all. There's a reason people like Jedward get bottled ya know :rolleyes:.

[FlyingJesus]

Actually the group is supposed to be serious, the owners have done it before and they go trying to sell their story to online news sites and all sorts of nonsense. You not taking it seriously is hardly reflective of the attitude of the group as a whole.

Jedward were a joke from the beginning kept in because it brought up the ratings.. people who win tend to do so because they actually have a talent for singing. Your opinion on a particular type of music being poor is not the same as it actually being talentless, and anyone who believes otherwise is truly a fool. I for example cannot stand the noise that Guns 'n' Roses put out, but I wouldn't dream of calling them talentless. The same for many many acts from many many genres, and frankly if you think "music isn't music if it doesn't have a guitar in it" is a superior way of thinking about music than the opinion of anyone who likes anything ever sung on X-Factor then your opinion is not only heavily misinformed but hypocritical, aggressively ignorant and really so out of touch with the truth of what constitutes music and musical talent that it should hardly be called an opinion at all, rather a prejudice - as obviously you don't have any true knowledge in this field.

[Black_Apalachi]

Actually the group is supposed to be serious, the owners have done it before and they go trying to sell their story to online news sites and all sorts of nonsense. You not taking it seriously is hardly reflective of the attitude of the group as a whole.

Jedward were a joke from the beginning kept in because it brought up the ratings.. people who win tend to do so because they actually have a talent for singing. Your opinion on a particular type of music being poor is not the same as it actually being talentless, and anyone who believes otherwise is truly a fool. I for example cannot stand the noise that Guns 'n' Roses put out, but I wouldn't dream of calling them talentless. The same for many many acts from many many genres, and frankly if you think "music isn't music if it doesn't have a guitar in it" is a superior way of thinking about music than the opinion of anyone who likes anything ever sung on X-Factor then your opinion is not only heavily misinformed but hypocritical, aggressively ignorant and really so out of touch with the truth of what constitutes music and musical talent that it should hardly be called an opinion at all, rather a prejudice - as obviously you don't have any true knowledge in this field.

OK I'll reword your phrase: 'Music isn't music when it is lip-synced'. I think you will find the likes of Rage and Guns N' Roses or any other band which my "out of touch opinion" considers to be good music, do not lip-sync.

[FlyingJesus]

X-Factor is a 100% live show

[Misawa]

Except on Sundays.

[samsaBEAR]

OK I'll reword your phrase: 'Music isn't music when it is lip-synced'. I think you will find the likes of Rage and Guns N' Roses or any other band which my "out of touch opinion" considers to be good music, do not lip-sync.
The only people that lip sync on X Factor are the guests. None of the contestants lip sync.

[Misawa]

The only people that lip sync on X Factor are the guests. None of the contestants lip sync.

I'll say it again - except on Sundays!

[Black_Apalachi]

I'll say it again - except on Sundays!

And I wouldn't put it past them when they go on to perform elsewhere.

[FlyingJesus]

Would you then claim that if someone mimes every once in a while, they don't qualify as being called a musician? Just that I personally wouldn't say that a lack of performance skill equates to lacking in compositional talent or technical musical knowledge so wondered what other views might be.

[Black_Apalachi]

Yes, but I won't disagree with you any further as you'll just -rep me whenever you can next.

[FlyingJesus]

I don't -rep for disagreements (but sometimes for wrongful accusations), I simply educate. For example, if you'll consider a group such as Girls Aloud. I don't know how often they mime shows or even if they do at all, but if they choose to do so from time to time does that mean they've never actually sung the songs in the first place? They still have the musical talent (whatever your opinion of how their music sounds), they may just not choose to show it at each performance.

[Wig44.]

I don't -rep for disagreements (but sometimes for wrongful accusations), I simply educate. For example, if you'll consider a group such as Girls Aloud. I don't know how often they mime shows or even if they do at all, but if they choose to do so from time to time does that mean they've never actually sung the songs in the first place? They still have the musical talent (whatever your opinion of how their music sounds), they may just not choose to show it at each performance.

I don't know, remember milli vanilli?

[clueless]

ill be so happy if this happens

[FlyingJesus]

I don't know, remember milli vanilli?

Not if I try hard enough :P

[GommeInc]

Just had a quicky listen of the song. Got bored and closed the window. Is it in protest of X Factor? Because a better band/singer with a better song would be a wise choice, RATM and that particular song are a bit boring...

[Neil]

I'll have to agree with just about everyone else here, I've always hated Rage Against The Machine, they're awful and do not deserve "Christmas No.1" even if it's just to stop X-Factor rubbish getting it, a more universal band would of been better, The Beatles maybe or an artist/band that a decent amount of people like, not the douche bags that are in Rage.

[Black_Apalachi]

Just had a quicky listen of the song. Got bored and closed the window. Is it in protest of X Factor? Because a better band/singer with a better song would be a wise choice, RATM and that particular song are a bit boring...

Lmao if you don't know it already, don't worry about it :P.

[BobX]

RATM are ******* terrible, one of the most overrated bands in the world. I completely agree with tom, this won't happen. There will never be enough people to beat the millions of people that'll buy the x factor single, and let's face it, only sad ***** will buy multiple copies of the same single



i love you for loving architects.



also this wont happen as nobody will buy the song, just hype.

kthxbai

[Fart]

Id rather have John & Edward with a number 1 song rather than that crappy band.

[samsaBEAR]

i love you for loving architects.



also this wont happen as nobody will buy the song, just hype.

kthxbai

i love you for loving me for loving architects. I also agree with above

[Charles]

I'll be buying this come the 13th once or twice. Already got it on my PC mind you but I'd get a good laugh from this coming high enough in the charts, however a better song could've been chosen as the censors won't do the song enough justice.

[Axel]

Id rather have John & Edward with a number 1 song rather than that crappy band.

I can tolerate most of the Rage Against the Machine bashing, but this post is just utter ****. You obviously have no respect for anyone elses music if you'd rather listen to them talentless ****es over RATM.

[Immenseman]

Scott mills was just talking about it and how hundreds of thousands are supporting this and how millions of people watch X Factor. I might support it if it wasn't some rubbish like Rage Against The Machine. As much as I don't want X Factor to be Christmas number one again I'd rather Joe/Stacey/Olly were over RATM, for sure lol.

[Black_Apalachi]

All these RATM bashers can't be Guitar Hero fans then :O. I pity your souls.


I'll be buying this come the 13th once or twice. Already got it on my PC mind you but I'd get a good laugh from this coming high enough in the charts, however a better song could've been chosen as the censors won't do the song enough justice.

So do I and I might do as well. And yeah, How I Could Just Kill A Man would be even better! :D

[samsaBEAR]

Above post is stupid, i love guitar hero and still hate RATM

[adaym]

I'll be buying this and Journey's Don't Stop Believing. Let's hope.

[Jord]

lol, thats not even a plausible idea.


I second this :)

[Axel]

All these RATM bashers can't be Guitar Hero fans then :O. I pity your souls.



So do I and I might do as well. And yeah, How I Could Just Kill A Man would be even better! :D

Bulls on Parade!

[untrustus]

this will get into the top 40, but not number 1.
for the record, rage against the machine are a sweet band.

[Misawa]

this will get into the top 40, but not number 1.
for the record, rage against the machine are a sweet band.

I highly doubt it. The vast majority of the people in the group won't even be buying it, and will be relying on everyone else to. In fact, most people join the group simply because they've been invited, and probably don't even know what it's about.

[joshuar]

According to NME, this was number 1 last night on iTunes chart but has slipped down to number 2 today with the X Factor winner at number 1.

[Fifteen]

According to NME, this was number 1 last night on iTunes chart but has slipped down to number 2 today with the X Factor winner at number 1.

It is currently still #2 in the iTunes chart, epic.

[Black_Apalachi]

Is this the correct place to look? http://www.apple.com/euro/itunes/charts/top10songs.html Because it's not on it for me :(.

[le harry]

I think you have to go on iTunes itself...

[Axel]

I highly doubt it. The vast majority of the people in the group won't even be buying it, and will be relying on everyone else to. In fact, most people join the group simply because they've been invited, and probably don't even know what it's about.

http://www.nme.com/news/rage-against-the-machine/48877

[Jam]

http://i49.tinypic.com/f0ygdh.png

iTunes bumped the price upto 99p instead of 79p and lowered the album price to £3.95 which is now 3rd in the charts, money grabbing gits.

[untrustus]

im 99% sure it'll be joe at #1, rage 2nd and gaga 3rd.

[crazed]

I highly doubt it. The vast majority of the people in the group won't even be buying it, and will be relying on everyone else to. In fact, most people join the group simply because they've been invited, and probably don't even know what it's about.

Yeah 'cause most facebook users are illiterate,

I'll be buying this. Hate X factor so much, what a waste of money to vote on these saps.

[Black_Apalachi]

http://i49.tinypic.com/f0ygdh.png

iTunes bumped the price upto 99p instead of 79p and lowered the album price to £3.95 which is now 3rd in the charts, money grabbing gits.

Price of which??? They can't bump the price of RATM just to prevent it winning :/

[luce]

it won't happen not with a band and song like there you may get a few hundred thousand but never as many as Joe will have :D

[Black_Apalachi]

it won't happen not with a band and song like there you may get a few hundred thousand but never as many as Joe will have :D

How come it's beating it then lol

[crazed]

How come it's beating it then lol

'Cause Joe will be a one hit wonder like most x factor winners...

[PaulMacC]

it won't happen not with a band and song like there you may get a few hundred thousand but never as many as Joe will have :D
Unfortunately mainstream music is fueled by idiots who cant see a good song if it hit them between the eye, always has always will be.

[untrustus]

rage are winning right now, but the physical version of joe's single is out tomorrow, which'll give it a huge advantage and sales boost.

[samsaBEAR]

Price of which??? They can't bump the price of RATM just to prevent it winning :/
They're not, they're bumping it up so they get more money for all the idiots buying it. I don't blame Apple tbh

[Stefy09]

I wonder how many of the people buying it think they're actually going to beat joe.. Just shows how dumb some people are.

[Inseriousity.]

If it was a good song (opinion really, I'll just go with what seems the majority here as I'm not really bothered at listening to it), do you think it'd stand a chance? It seems that some people don't like The Climb either.

I would love to have a surprise number 1 at christmas but it'd take an amazing song to do it imo :(

[Axel]

I wonder how many of the people buying it think they're actually going to beat joe.. Just shows how dumb some people are.

That's why it's first right now.

I except it to come second though. Still, it's nice to see some Rage in the charts rather than the **** that's there nowadays.

[Sunnily]

X factor might kill the christmas number one again. They should let someone else have it. I'd like someone new this year and maybe even them :o

[kk.]

coming from someone who has JLS in there sig and av...

theyre 10% above in sales at the minute. once the hard copy of joes comes out, i think it will boost his sales, A LOT. think how many old women wouldnt know the first thing about how to download it. anyone above maybe 30-40 wouldnt, and theyre the people that probs voted for him the most.

ive said it before and ill say it again, the charts should be about how popular something is, not because of a campaign to beat the x factor. if theyd have picked an actual christmas song, or maybe someone released a new one then maybe it deserves to be #1, but no.

its funny how RATM is sony owned too. its a ridiculous idea.



also, to people saying that its nice to see good songs in the charts, music is personal opinion. have you ever thought that people actually like listening to 'mainstream manufactured pop'

[untrustus]

the whole 'rage are on the same label blah blah blah' argument is stupid - that's not the point of this campaign.

[kk.]

no but its the point a lot of people are making, saying 'lets prove simon wrong blah blah blah'

[Black_Apalachi]

... ive said it before and ill say it again, the charts should be about how popular something is, not because of a campaign to beat the x factor. if theyd have picked an actual christmas song, or maybe someone released a new one then maybe it deserves to be #1, but no. ...

It is about how popular it is :S.


... also, to people saying that its nice to see good songs in the charts, music is personal opinion. have you ever thought that people actually like listening to 'mainstream manufactured pop'

that's cos they're silly :).

[kk.]

It's not really is it.. It's about a campaign because people don't like the x factor taking the number one every year. If it wasn't for the x factor it wouldn't even chart in the top 200.

And whatevs

[Black_Apalachi]

but if Killin in the Name wasn't popular, it wouldn't have been chosen as the song to use and people wouldn't buy it.

[Misawa]

I'd say the majority of the people who bought it aren't even fans, nor have ever heard of the song before. I see people on Facebook joining it who definitely would never have done so.

The only song that should be the Christmas number one is a Christmas song, and since George Michael has actually done one, love him or hate him, there you go.

[kk.]

Any song couldve been chosen and it would have done just as well. It's all about publicity and how well they've got the message out. Not only that, but people who are determines for it to win have bought multiple copies, which is actually against the chart rules apparently so they could only buy 3 copies from each site. This does not prove popularity, it proves a point.. Which is the campaign


I think this is the first time I've probably agreed with Adam

[Black_Apalachi]

I'd say the majority of the people who bought it aren't even fans, nor have ever heard of the song before. I see people on Facebook joining it who definitely would never have done so.

The only song that should be the Christmas number one is a Christmas song, and since George Michael has actually done one, love him or hate him, there you go.

A few artists have Christmas songs out this year.


Any song couldve been chosen and it would have done just as well. It's all about publicity and how well they've got the message out. Not only that, but people who are determines for it to win have bought multiple copies, which is actually against the chart rules apparently so they could only buy 3 copies from each site. This does not prove popularity, it proves a point.. Which is the campaign


I think this is the first time I've probably agreed with Adam

Anyone could have won the X-Factor and it would have done just as well. It's all about publicity and how well they've got the message out.
Besides you just said you can't buy more than one but you can buy three from each site? :S And I'm pretty sure there will be people buying multiple copies of Joe's single as well.

[kk.]

But the song that wouldve been chosen is completely different. The artist is popular who wins, which is why they won. The RATM song couldve been anything and people would buy it.

What I meant about the multiple copies which might not have been clear is that people would buy multiple copies of RATM more so than joes single, but out of spite, rather than actually wanting to own more than one, or buying for friends.

[Axel]

I'd say the majority of the people who bought it aren't even fans, nor have ever heard of the song before. I see people on Facebook joining it who definitely would never have done so.

The only song that should be the Christmas number one is a Christmas song, and since George Michael has actually done one, love him or hate him, there you go.

Well, if George Michael did take it then fair enough, and I wouldn't be for the campaign. But every year it's the X factor **** that always gets christmas number 1.

[beth]

i never have really been a fan of RATM, but this song reminds me of an underage rock club i used to go to when i was 14, so i got fond memories of it.

i think this will be the last year for the x-factor number one, if it's well organised a big single with a big backing could probably take it next year.

this ratm thing hasn't been planned well enough, most of the supporters aren't buying the single.

[kk.]

i say release the hxf vip song haha.

[Misawa]

I think people are forgetting that this was done last year when an internet campaign got the original Hallelujah to number two.

[Charles]

I think people are forgetting that this was done last year when an internet campaign got the original Hallelujah to number two.

Last year, cool. This is now.

[N!ck]

Hi guys. I'm impartial to who gets Christmas number 1, so I though I'd spice thing up a little (and annoy a few people).

http://www.uploadpicz.com/images/24mcelderry.png

[samsaBEAR]

trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls

[Black_Apalachi]

But the song that wouldve been chosen is completely different. The artist is popular who wins, which is why they won. The RATM song couldve been anything and people would buy it.

What I meant about the multiple copies which might not have been clear is that people would buy multiple copies of RATM more so than joes single, but out of spite, rather than actually wanting to own more than one, or buying for friends.

The X-Factor song could have been anything and people would buy it.

People would buy multiple copies of Joe McElderry (e.g family/friends) out of wanting him to be Christmas #1 rather than actually wanting to own more than one, or buying for friends.

And sux 2 b u N!ck lol.

[Shoed]

I think people are forgetting that this was done last year when an internet campaign got the original Hallelujah to number two.
since when has jeff buckleys version been the original... care to explain? :eusa_whis

[Black_Apalachi]

since when has jeff buckleys version been the original... care to explain? :eusa_whis

Still it's more well-known than Leonard Cohen's, besides any version is better than hers.

[kk.]

oh god no. her version is good..

[iAdam]

I wouldn't mind the rage against the machine attempt by everyone if the song was good, shinobi vs dragon ninja by LostProphets would of been a better choice.

[PaulMacC]

Hi guys. I'm impartial to who gets Christmas number 1, so I though I'd spice thing up a little (and annoy a few people).

http://www.uploadpicz.com/images/24mcelderry.png
Buying music, lol.

[N!ck]

Buying music, lol.

First time I've bought music for myself like ever lol.

[Black_Apalachi]

oh god no. her version is good..

Clearly you misunderstand the whole song then. Poor Joshie :P


Buying music, lol.

lmao I love the tone of that post :D

[PaulMacC]

Rage are back at the top of the iTunes charts.

[Jahova]

Just heard on the news, this song is ahead by 40,000 copies due to the XFactor song is having problems with production and delivery.

[Bun]

lol. x factor song is going to storm ahead very soonish. i read somewhere that RATM are donating the money they make to kids' charities so if that's true then i'm all for the dying competition.

[hah]

the said xfactor will storm ahead when the cd is released

[Black_Apalachi]

Is this not a bit suspicious or anything? I mean it wouldn't be that hard to believe if Simon Cowell or the label or whoever reached into their pocket to slow things down a bit;


Speaking to the Global Herald website, the founder of the Rage Against the Machine campaign said he was "concerned" about recent problems with the group's Facebook page. The site first disappeared on Sunday night, Jon Morter said, with a member of Facebook's "PR team" writing to tell him it was a "bug". "Later in the evening the group returned as normal, but now it's gone yet again," he said yesterday. The page is now back online. During its down-time, the group was not only inaccessible, but invisible to anyone searching the site.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/dec/15/rage-against-the-machine-christmas

I'm just saying, I didn't experience any bugs on Facebook and I haven't heard of anyone else who has other than this group :eusa_thin.

I haven't heard anything from the band themselves, but it's nice to hear they're aware of what's going on and have decided to donate the earnings to charity :).

[Black_Apalachi]

Btw I think Amazon has it for the cheapest price, 29p.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Killing-In-The-Name-Explicit/dp/B001I4NZP4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dmusic&qid=1261065791&sr=8-1

Hurry Habbos, you only have until midnight on Saturday 19th!! :D

Edit: LMAO look at the interview with Joe McElderry talking about the battle in this article; http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8415750.stm
He reckons it's the same as every other chart battle and it happens all the time. He hasn't even heard of the song!! I so want RATM to win even more now :P.

[Misawa]

Any downloads below 40p do not count in the chart.

[Black_Apalachi]

Oh right. I was just told Amazon downloads do, so is it only Amazon charts over 40p then?


EPIC EDIT: READ THE SECOND TO LAST POST HERE (http://www.amazon.co.uk/tag/mp3/forum/ref=cm_cd_et_md_pl?_encoding=UTF8&cdMsgNo=24&cdPage=1&cdSort=oldest&cdThread=Tx3U7MN4WDHUQUA&cdMsgID=Mx1V43X5O8FDTWD#Mx1V43X5O8FDTWD)

[kk.]

Well, it'd better count towards the charts, or I've just wasted 29p on some shouty sweary noise!
thats a quote from digital spy from someone who bought RATM. if thats not proof people are just buying because they dont like the x factor i dont know what is

[Black_Apalachi]

We know people are buying it because they don't like the X-Factor. Well done Yoshi, have a cookie :big_grin:.

[kk.]

:l thats not what you were arguing earlier on
:l at what u called me

[Black_Apalachi]

All I said is that it is popular. Which it is.

[kk.]

thats not popularity, its out of spite :)

[ItsDave]

The amount of mindless people who joins idiotic groups on facebook is quite massive. When one of these idiots came up with this idea, the other idiots that bow down and worship these crap groups, all join on. Its nothing to take notice of to be frank.
For example I could go on live feed and I could see this:
"Tom Smith, Rebbeca North & Sarah Green joined the groups: I hate it when I step outside and I get hit by a fridge, I go out of my way to step on a crusty leaf, I've seen the coca-cola advert so I know its Christmas or Killing in the Name for Christmas No.1 We can do it"

Its just idiots, following other mindless idiots.

[Misawa]

It is indeed out of spite and it's quite sad. It's perfectly understandable to spite Cowell's greed, but why anyone would want to hinder the success of a talented 18 year-old is beyond me.

[untrustus]

I wouldn't mind the rage against the machine attempt by everyone if the song was good, shinobi vs dragon ninja by LostProphets would of been a better choice.

suggesting lostprophets are better than rage is laughable.


Buying music, lol.

you are a ****.

Edited by iAdam (Forum Super Moderator); Please do not be rude to other forum members.

[joshuar]

I'm pleased that it's going so well, I have nothing against the X Factor winner person (apart from the fact he entered the show) but I wanna see Simon Cowell's face when he loses the number 1 spot because of some bloke on Facebook starting up a campaign. He's already loosing his nerve about it and I will be buying the 3 copies I can buy at once from Amazon in support of it.

Plus with Rage donating the money to charity I can't see a better reason not to buy it.

[N!ck]

I'm pleased that it's going so well, I have nothing against the X Factor winner person (apart from the fact he entered the show) but I wanna see Simon Cowell's face when he loses the number 1 spot because of some bloke on Facebook starting up a campaign. He's already loosing his nerve about it and I will be buying the 3 copies I can buy at once from Amazon in support of it.

Plus with Rage donating the money to charity I can't see a better reason not to buy it.

Simon's probably not bothered. Both Joe and RATM are under the record label that he's associated with - Sony.

And the 29p Amazon downloads do count as far as I'm aware (even though it's under the 40p threshold) as apparently Amazon buys them for 40p, making an 11p loss on each track.

[Starburst..x]

I really hope it does get to xmas number one just to spite the whole X Factor thing. I have nothing against Joe - good luck to him! But I just cannot stand the fact that every year X Factor gains xmas number one, and the fact that Simon Cowell is getting all p****d about the fact he might be beaten, as though he has a god given right for xmas number one!
Argghh X Factor should be not get number one, I just don't think it's deserving of it. If anything get an old xmas song to the number one spot.
But that's just my opinion.

[FlyingJesus]

I know that record labels buy hundreds of thousands of copies of their own singles when they need to make sure they get to number one, so there will certainly be some Sony purchases of Joe's single, but I wouldn't be surprised if they've gone out to get a load of RATM as well now to make it appear closer - if people see the campaign "working" they're more likely to join in themselves and go buy it, so now any disabled rock fan with 50p will give it to Sony thinking they're making a difference when Joe is basically guaranteed it. No real chance against it once the shiny plastic's out I don't imagine

[Charlottay!]

I can understand the whole spite thing against x-factor cause it is done purposly. but i am a fan of the song by Joe and i think having RATM as an x-mas number 1 song is just bad. really not a fan of that song

[beth]

i cba to quote but someone called it "mindless" it is clearly not mindless.

thousands of groups get created daily on facebook, none of them create the hype that this has. it is not mindless. don't be silly.

[ifuseekamy]

I don't really think being number 2 on the singles charts = absolute failure.

[kk.]

Especially with the sales volume he'll have lol

[Black_Apalachi]

thats not popularity, its out of spite :)

If you take away the people buying it "out of spite", there are still a lot of genuine RATM fans. I don't care what you say, it is a popular track.


It is indeed out of spite and it's quite sad. It's perfectly understandable to spite Cowell's greed, but why anyone would want to hinder the success of a talented 18 year-old is beyond me.

I understand the point that it's a bit harsh on him to happen to win X-Factor on the same year this decides to be done (ignoring last year of course). But it's not a personal thing, it's about Cowell and his joke of a "talent" show. Anyway it's a pretty easy way to achieve overnight fame, and I thought his voice was for the stage not pop music? And if he's so talented, then if you're not going to write your own music, why not pick at least a half-decent song to cover lmao?


I can understand the whole spite thing against x-factor cause it is done purposly. but i am a fan of the song by Joe and i think having RATM as an x-mas number 1 song is just bad. really not a fan of that song

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Climb-Miley-Cyrus/dp/B0020SQT9Q/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1261095990&sr=1-2

[kk.]

The artists don't get a choice for starters. And calling it a joKe of a contest isn't really fair looking at some of the winners.. And losers actually..

I'm not saying it's not popular, I'm saying it wouldn't even be in the charts. It's only on the charts because of the whole x factor spite etc etc etc

and y u posted to the miley version I don't know, they said they liked the joe version of the song

[PaulMacC]

I can understand the whole spite thing against x-factor cause it is done purposly. but i am a fan of the song by Joe and i think having RATM as an x-mas number 1 song is just bad. really not a fan of that song
I do not think X-Factor deserves to be number 1. Its the same thing every year, refurbished 2nd rate pop songs that are overplayed and annoying to anyone with a brain. RATM aren't the best band in the world but I'd rather have them over X Factor.

[samsaBEAR]

I do not think X-Factor deserves to be number 1. Its the same thing every year, refurbished 2nd rate pop songs that are overplayed and annoying to anyone with a brain. RATM aren't the best band in the world but I'd rather have them over X Factor.
Pop as a genre is the same thing. Every song is a refurbished version of another song in the past. The only reason X Factor doesn't deserve it this year is because Joe is a ****, and Olly should've won

[Black_Apalachi]

The artists don't get a choice for starters. And calling it a joKe of a contest isn't really fair looking at some of the winners.. And losers actually..

I'm not saying it's not popular, I'm saying it wouldn't even be in the charts. It's only on the charts because of the whole x factor spite etc etc etc

and y u posted to the miley version I don't know, they said they liked the joe version of the song

The ultimate winners may be worthy of it then, but the whole process they go through and the kind of people who are kept in along the way in favour of others who are far more talented, is a joke.

OK then, it wouldn't be in charts if it wasn't for the X-Factor. But then neither would Bon Jovi a couple of weeks ago, nor would Robbie Williams or even Cheryl Cole! After all, they all did well after appearing on the show didn't they?

The post I quoted suggested she liked the song itself, rather than that particular version.

[untrustus]

some people are saying it's unfair to take this from a young boy - i don't see why he should be guaranteed/gifted #1 just 'cause he won x factor?

[Pyroka]

ive bought my single.

and some people would say its unfair, but if he's gonna be such a hit star im sure he'll get a number one soon. :S

[kk.]

I do not think X-Factor deserves to be number 1. Its the same thing every year, refurbished 2nd rate pop songs that are overplayed and annoying to anyone with a brain. RATM aren't the best band in the world but I'd rather have them over X Factor.
as ive said before, have you ever thought that people actually like these songs. music is subjective and everyone has an opinion. you like one type, i like another


The ultimate winners may be worthy of it then, but the whole process they go through and the kind of people who are kept in along the way in favour of others who are far more talented, is a joke.

OK then, it wouldn't be in charts if it wasn't for the X-Factor. But then neither would Bon Jovi a couple of weeks ago, nor would Robbie Williams or even Cheryl Cole! After all, they all did well after appearing on the show didn't they?

The post I quoted suggested she liked the song itself, rather than that particular version.

i agree that some people that they keep in is stupid. But they do it for entertainment.. like when lucie went, she was never going to win and yes it angered people but as many said, if you didnt vote, you cant moan.

thats not the point im making. Its not a popular song. well it is a popular song between RATM fans i suppose, but its not mass market popularity. all the artists youve mentioned were just given a boost to sales figures because no matter what happened, they wouldve charted

and she said she liked 'fan of the song by joe', by being the key word

[hah]

I know that record labels buy hundreds of thousands of copies of their own singles when they need to make sure they get to number one, so there will certainly be some Sony purchases of Joe's single, but I wouldn't be surprised if they've gone out to get a load of RATM as well now to make it appear closer - if people see the campaign "working" they're more likely to join in themselves and go buy it, so now any disabled rock fan with 50p will give it to Sony thinking they're making a difference when Joe is basically guaranteed it. No real chance against it once the shiny plastic's out I don't imagine

How do you know? i remember reading some where that if large bulk copies are bought the song is banned from the charts

here it is
http://www.theofficialcharts.com/docs/Official%20UK%20Singles%20Chart%20Rules%20August%2 02009.pdf

[Fifteen]

The sales figures as of today are:

RATM: 306,115
Joe: 297,192

The battle is getting close (8,923 between them) and tomorrow is the day where Joe really could catch up - old biddies will see the single in Tesco / Sainsbury's / Asda when buying their turkey and realise that "it's that lovely chap from The X Factor" (and he is a lovely chap, but the song is shockingly bad).



oh right

[Black_Apalachi]

... i agree that some people that they keep in is stupid. But they do it for entertainment.. like when lucie went, she was never going to win and yes it angered people but as many said, if you didnt vote, you cant moan.

thats not the point im making. Its not a popular song. well it is a popular song between RATM fans i suppose, but its not mass market popularity. all the artists youve mentioned were just given a boost to sales figures because no matter what happened, they wouldve charted

and she said she liked 'fan of the song by joe', by being the key word

If it takes up practically a whole channel every weekend and floods my Facebook with statuses relating to it for about six months, then yes, I can moan.

It's a popular song between any rock fans and even people who are not necessarily rock fans.

Yeah, she said 'fan of the song by Joe' so it is perfectly acceptable for someone to understand that as she is a fan OF THE SONG. It's not like it has much difference to the original anyway? :S Really don't see the point covering a song that isn't even a year old yet.

[FlyingJesus]

OK then, it wouldn't be in charts if it wasn't for the X-Factor. But then neither would Bon Jovi a couple of weeks ago, nor would Robbie Williams or even Cheryl Cole! After all, they all did well after appearing on the show didn't they?

Yeah Bon Jovi and Robbie Williams have never had successful chart hits without help from talent shows


How do you know? i remember reading some where that if large bulk copies are bought the song is banned from the charts

here it is
http://www.theofficialcharts.com/docs/Official%20UK%20Singles%20Chart%20Rules%20August%2 02009.pdf

Oh I have no doubt that it's illegal but it does happen - it was never proved but the Kanye/50 Cent album battle was always considered massively bought out by the labels and I'm sure this isn't the only case :P

[Black_Apalachi]

Yeah Bon Jovi and Robbie Williams have never had successful chart hits without help from talent shows ...

OK well that's the worst post I've seen for a long time.
My two responses to that are:
a) obviously I mean this time around as they were suddenly in the charts immediately after X-Factor appearances.
b) RATM have been in the charts without the help of talent shows as well :S (like now in fact lmao).

[kk.]

OK well that's the worst post I've seen for a long time.
My two responses to that are:
a) obviously I mean this time around as they were suddenly in the charts immediately after X-Factor appearances.
b) RATM have been in the charts without the help of talent shows as well :S (like now in fact lmao).

They released things straight after didn't they? Like they went on to promote, like any good artist. Also, the 'like now in fact', as I said and you agreed, they're only in the charts because of the x factor

[hah]

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/news/a192021/joe-mcelderry-beats-rage-in-ireland.html

He got the top place in ireland

[samsaBEAR]

OK well that's the worst post I've seen for a long time.
My two responses to that are:
a) obviously I mean this time around as they were suddenly in the charts immediately after X-Factor appearances.
b) RATM have been in the charts without the help of talent shows as well :S (like now in fact lmao).

rage are in the charts now as a direct result of x factor, if it diem't exist, no one would care about trying to get rage to number 1

[Fifteen]

NEWS FLASH: RAGE ANNOUNCE THEY WILL PLAY MASSIVE FREE VICTORY GIG IN UK IF "KILLING IN THE NAME" IS NUMBER ONE XMAS SINGLE!!! Let's go!!!!

http://twitter.com/tmorello


oh right

[untrustus]

http://twitter.com/tmorello


oh right
just saw this myself, would be awesome to see them again. if only he'd have announced it a bit earlier in the week - would have given them a better chance i'd say.

[Wig44.]

RATM are a great band, I already have killing in the name in my library but might just buy another copy. It would be such a ***** to lose now.

[PaulMacC]

Last day for RATM vs X-Factor thing. Remember you can buy Killing In The Name for free: http://bit.ly/RATM4FREE
Just use those codes

[kk.]

I can't believe they think that all the people buying their song actually like the song. It'll be interesting to see how many turn up to the gig.

It's been a sunny day which according to reports is a good sign or joe. I wonder what position RATM will get next sunday lol

[FlyingJesus]

OK well that's the worst post I've seen for a long time.
My two responses to that are:
a) obviously I mean this time around as they were suddenly in the charts immediately after X-Factor appearances.
b) RATM have been in the charts without the help of talent shows as well :S (like now in fact lmao).

OK well that's the worst post I've seen for a long time.
My two responses to that are:
a) obviously any musician wanting to do well has to promote themselves before and during a release, and playing the song is quite a good way to do that.
b) remind me again why people are buying the RATM song? I was somewhat under the impression it was to do with a certain talent show, and that without it no-one would be buying that song at this time.

I also love how Killing in the Name Of is meant to be oh-so-rebellious and yet has sparked the single biggest poserfest I've ever seen. Quote from Morello - "I think people are fed up of being spoon-fed some sugary ballad that sits on top of the charts. It's a little dose of anarchy."
Oh the anarchy! Capitalism quivers with fear over... oh wait, massive commercial purchases through a major brand in mainstream music.

[Special]

I understand what theyre doing and totally agree. X Factor winners almost always have the Christmas #'1, but this song is going way too far. Atleast have something a *little* Christmasy

[PaulMacC]

Finally figured out how to use my debit card. Bought a copy there.
http://i50.tinypic.com/ieh82a.jpg

[Browney]

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=w2ftbp&s=6

^_^

[Ajthedragon]

Hate X-factor. ;)

[Technologic]

Pretty moronic, as it'll never happen or come close. And they could have chosen a better band.

Oh how less true words could be spoken.

[hah]

a thread on digitalspy saysits 30,000 ahead now and sales after 00.00 tonight dont count, looks like joe is number 2 :P

he might get it next week tho

[kk.]

thats what i thought ^ he may be number one next week, and i really will wonder whether RATm will be number 1, then drop completely off the charts :)

[hah]

thats what i thought ^ he may be number one next week, and i really will wonder whether RATm will be number 1, then drop completely off the charts :)

i posted that and then was like

o cheryl cole 3 words is out monday, so that might get it LOL



Joe added: "I will be really disappointed if it doesn't go to No1 after all the effort I've put in to this and winning the show."

what work has he done :S he sang an got a record contract handed to him
he has got right cocky since winning

[ifuseekamy]

what work has he done :S he sang an got a record contract handed to him
he has got right cocky since winning
lol I was thinking the same :S there are singers far better than he'll ever be who might get a few hundred listens on youtube or myspace and he's moaning because he might be number 2 in the charts? Ungrateful or what. If he didn't go on the X Factor he'd still be training to be in a local production of Joseph and the technicolour dreamcoat :rolleyes:

[Axel]

I think Joe just might win this - I was looking forward to the free RATM gig that was promised if they win as well. ******* *****.

[Wig44.]

RATM still first on itunes.

[Axel]

RATM still first on itunes.

Well it's going to be very close then. I really hope Rage will win to give all these nay sayers a good shock. And that free gig sounds awesome.

Also, I saw a report earlier about Joe bad mouthing Rage Against the Machine because of this campaign. Really, what a little cocky ****. So now he is better than a band that is popular within it's own genre of music, and has been for what... almost 20 years now? He said something like they wouldn't get past the X Factor auditions - ye, no ****, it's a POP competition.

[kk.]

Well it's going to be very close then. I really hope Rage will win to give all these nay sayers a good shock. And that free gig sounds awesome.

Also, I saw a report earlier about Joe bad mouthing Rage Against the Machine because of this campaign. Really, what a little cocky ****. So now he is better than a band that is popular within it's own genre of music, and has been for what... almost 20 years now? He said something like they wouldn't get past the X Factor auditions - ye, no ****, it's a POP competition.

he had an opinion on a song, which is the same as mine coincidentally. as did ratm on him.


and just so people know, any POPULAR song is POP music..

[ifuseekamy]

Well it's going to be very close then. I really hope Rage will win to give all these nay sayers a good shock. And that free gig sounds awesome.

Also, I saw a report earlier about Joe bad mouthing Rage Against the Machine because of this campaign. Really, what a little cocky ****. So now he is better than a band that is popular within it's own genre of music, and has been for what... almost 20 years now? He said something like they wouldn't get past the X Factor auditions - ye, no ****, it's a POP competition.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/bizarre/2778291/X-Factor-star-blasts-rival-Rages-riffage.html
I just saw it, pretty childish and arrogant to say the least.

[Axel]

he had an opinion on a song, which is the same as mine coincidentally. as did ratm on him.


and just so people know, any POPULAR song is POP music..

Yes, pop means popular, but doesn't mean any popular song is in the pop genre. Pop is stuff like Joe. If there's a heavy metal song that's popular, that doesn't make it part of the pop genre.

[FlyingJesus]

Yes it does. RATM are every bit pop music, they have nothing of the underground to their name and just because they don't make the same noises as Enrique or 5ive or whoever else you class as pop doesn't make them not pop music. I don't get why people are so against having their preferred band classed in a certain way - if someone wants to call Tchaikovsky rap metal I don't really care, I like his stuff and will continue to no matter how mainstream it may or may not be, it doesn't bother me one single bit what tags anyone wants to give him.

[hah]

any purchace from from now on go twords next weeks charts, wonder who won lol

[Andys]

I think Joe just might win this - I was looking forward to the free RATM gig that was promised if they win as well. ******* *****.
rage were winning by 850,000 downloads the other night

[Axel]

Yes it does. RATM are every bit pop music, they have nothing of the underground to their name and just because they don't make the same noises as Enrique or 5ive or whoever else you class as pop doesn't make them not pop music. I don't get why people are so against having their preferred band classed in a certain way - if someone wants to call Tchaikovsky rap metal I don't really care, I like his stuff and will continue to no matter how mainstream it may or may not be, it doesn't bother me one single bit what tags anyone wants to give him.

I don't care how something is classed as long as it sounds good. What I am saying is that RATM doesn't sound like the pop genre. The pop genre being the kind of music that people like Joe and the ones you listed create... unless I'm mistaken, songs that they make aren't classified as anything like classical, rock, rap or whatever, but simply as 'pop'. And RATM are obviously not that popular if half the people in this thread are bad mouthing them.

[Wig44.]

6:45

That's when we find out. Fingers crossed, don't buy anything else as it won't count for the week :)

[kk.]

rage were winning by 850,000 downloads the other night

eight hundred and fifty? No. They ha only sold 300000 on Friday so that's not even possible lol

[kk.]

6:45

That's when we find out. Fingers crossed, don't buy anything else as it won't count for the week :)

I'm on an iphone so don't hate for double posting lol..

See, this again proves people are buying as they hate the x factor.. I am really really really hoping that if RATM get #1, they will then drop off the charts with very few sales, like less than 1000. That will prove who the 'real' Christmas number one is lol

[Black_Apalachi]

... what work has he done :S he sang an got a record contract handed to him
he has got right cocky since winning

qft


Well it's going to be very close then. I really hope Rage will win to give all these nay sayers a good shock. And that free gig sounds awesome.

Also, I saw a report earlier about Joe bad mouthing Rage Against the Machine because of this campaign. Really, what a little cocky ****. So now he is better than a band that is popular within it's own genre of music, and has been for what... almost 20 years now? He said something like they wouldn't get past the X Factor auditions - ye, no ****, it's a POP competition.

I know! And he even showed his arrogance in an interview the other day when he said, 'I haven't heard it actually, so I'll have to give it a listen'. LOLOLOLOLOLOL


... and just so people know, any POPULAR song is POP music..

That just says it all!!!!! The fact that a piece of music doesn't actually fit into any proper genre so is just labelled "pop" says exactly how I and all the "mindless RATM fans and bitter conformists who hate X-Factor" think about that sort of music.


At the end of the day, if Killing In The Name wins this, it is going to benefit a LOT of people, most importantly all the homeless people who just might have some sort of improvement to their Christmas time this year. Where as if Joe McElderry wins, a few people's wallets will expand a bit. So who's bitter now? :)


edit@kk's last post: Josh we know the reasons for all this. Stop acting as if we're saying RATM are in the charts for no reason. They said themselves that they are just honoured that their song happened to be chosen. Get over it please.

[kk.]

The peoples who wallets will expand are people who put out a charity single for the great ormand street hospital. Such spineless gits!!

N u Best have accepted me on fb ;l

[Misawa]

Sure, it's a good deed to donate money, but I still think the idea in general is wrong. And from what I heard the band say, not all the money is going to that charity, only some.

[Black_Apalachi]

The peoples who wallets will expand are people who put out a charity single for the great ormand street hospital. Such spineless gits!!

N u Best have accepted me on fb ;l

Joe's song isn't for charity :S. The group one is.


Sure, it's a good deed to donate money, but I still think the idea in general is wrong. And from what I heard the band say, not all the money is going to that charity, only some.

Yeah that's true. I think it's to be expected if they haven't done much over the last 20 years, and it's rumoured that they intend to do a free gig if they do win.

[Niall!]

What charts are they number 1/2 on? Because all I can see is Lady GaGa

[kk.]

Irish. The chart is aired at 4pm til 7

[Niall!]

Irish. The chart is aired at 4pm til 7

Joe is in the lead actually.

[Wig44.]

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/object2/44/12/n2228594104_1325.jpg
This is on the image displayed on the group now.

(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/object2/44/12/n2228594104_1325.jpg)

[PaulMacC]

Joe is in the lead actually.
Nobody cares about the Irish chart.
Apparently RATM are Xmas No.1 - Bookies have put all odds in their favour and unconfirmed reports also say this. Loving all the Joe fans whining and ********, haha funny stuff.

[kk.]

Just so you know, the charts are updated daily afaik on each site and isn't a running total.. I think

[Axel]

Roll on 4 o clock!

[kk.]

Just listen in from about 6.30 onwards lol

[Jahova]

w00p can't wait until 6:30!

[Axel]

Is the actual chart at 6:30 then?

[AgnesIO]

Just listened to the song.

First impression? WHAT THE **** WAS THAT.

[kk.]

No the chart starts at 4pm through to about 7. Number one will b announced at about 6.40 because it goes through the top 38 first

And I know lol, it is rubbish :P

[N!ck]

Someone pretty reliable has leaked these numbers:

RATM - 502672
Joe - 450838

[Axel]

ooo this is gonna be a good show.

[Seatherny]

Key103 just said The Climb is number 2 right this minute o.O

[majesticdragon]

FGS ITS such a fail song and band tbh joe ftwI don't think it's fair that people are like hindering his career to get at Cowell :|

[Seatherny]

The fact is, Cowell is still making money ... so they are just being stupid. All they are doing is hurting Joe.

[majesticdragon]

The fact is, Cowell is still making money ... so they are just being stupid. All they are doing is hurting Joe.


exactlly. They are trying to be rebellious and its just stupid. Most the people who have bought it were probs not even aware of the band untill this silly campaign

[Seatherny]

Indeed. I would have actually understood if they picked a good song. They say its funny because its a crap song, but tbh you have to feel sorry for Joe.

[Charles]

exactlly. They are trying to be rebellious and its just stupid. Most the people who have bought it were probs not even aware of the band untill this silly campaign

Innit, I've never seen rage against the machine on xfactor who are they?#???

[majesticdragon]

Innit, I've never seen rage against the machine on xfactor who are they?#???


A band that have had very little success in the Uk unlike the acts who actually do get to perform on the Xfactor :)

[PaulMacC]

A band that have had very little success in the Uk unlike the acts who actually do get to perform on the Xfactor :)
Rage have had more success than the majority of bands in the UK. They are one of the biggest rock bands on the 90's :rolleyes:

[majesticdragon]

Rage have had more success than the majority of bands in the UK. They are one of the biggest rock bands on the 90's :rolleyes:


read properly
very little success in the UK

and it's not the 90's anymore
so thats irrelevant

[Wig44.]

read properly
very little success in the UK

and it's not the 90's anymore
so thats irrelevant


...
Rage had plenty of sucess in the UK. Joe Mcelderrry will fade away very quickly as he has no talent whereas ratm will be remembered.

By the way, most of the people who actually bought the song will like Rage. A lot of the campaigners are just idiots who didn't actually buy the song or understand what the band stands for.

On another note, I wonder if they give another speech during 'Wake Up' in the free tour (if we get it)?

[Charles]

A band that have had very little success in the Uk unlike the acts who actually do get to perform on the Xfactor :)

Was just pulling your chain, was merely claiming that if an act doesn't appear on the Xfactor then they're irrelevent.

I'd also like to share this with people, i'm not saying its official, nor is the guy who has found it but it's been right for the top 20 so far.

http://www.sheamus.co.uk/ratm-xmas-number-one?c=1

[Coheed&Cambria]

A band that have had very little success in the Uk unlike the acts who actually do get to perform on the Xfactor :)

So these talentless singers that go on xfactor, win it, make a single then fade away from reality have more success than a huge activist band that have been around since the early 90's?

[majesticdragon]

Was just pulling your chain, was merely claiming that if an act doesn't appear on the Xfactor then they're irrelevent.

I'd also like to share this with people, i'm not saying its official, nor is the guy who has found it but it's been right for the top 20 so far.

http://www.sheamus.co.uk/ratm-xmas-number-one?c=1


LOL I know dude I was doing the same thing :D

and btw everyone don't cry just because someone dosen't agree with your "rebllion" dsen't mean you should cry about it kai thanx bai x

[Misawa]

Comparing the talnent of Joe McElderry and Rage against the Machine is pretty stupid. Joe's vocal ability is in the clouds, whereas RATM's is not only on the surface, but 200 feet below ground.

[Charles]

Comparing the talnent of Joe McElderry and Rage against the Machine is pretty stupid. Joe's vocal ability is in the clouds, whereas RATM's is not only on the surface, but 200 feet below ground.

Yet he relies on a talent show to make the bigtime. GG.

[Misawa]

He didn't "rely" on a talent show. He went on it and was discovered. If RATM went on a talent show, they'd immediately be kicked off. They're an attrocious rap metal band.

[alexxxxx]

He didn't "rely" on a talent show. He went on it and was discovered. If RATM went on a talent show, they'd immediately be kicked off. They're an attrocious rap metal band.
yeah that's why they've had a career spanning over 15 years and played at some of the best music festivals in the world, sold out tours etc. x-factor winners have achieved nothing.

[Misawa]

Leona Lewis has had more chart success and is more well known throughout the world since 2007 than Rage against the Machine, thanks.

Dumb sheepish teenagers are probably envious of Joe because of his age. The mass of belligerent fools aren't supporting the song to get at Cowell, they want to spite someone who is bigger than they will ever be.

[kk.]

That's not what he said. He said talent show.. They are to be kicked off cus they have none..

[alexxxxx]

Leona Lewis has had more chart success and is more well known throughout the world since 2007 than Rage against the Machine, thanks.

Dumb sheepish teenagers are probably envious of Joe because of his age. The mass of belligerent fools aren't supporting the song to get at Cowell, they want to spite someone who is bigger than they will ever be.

Since 2007 maybe, but rage have been around for so long. They are true legends. I doubt that many are envious of joe. He'll get this xmas number 2 and then fade into the distance...

[FlyingJesus]

So these talentless singers that go on xfactor, win it, make a single then fade away from reality have more success than a huge activist band that have been around since the early 90's?

Define talentless and explain why you think someone who wins a national singing competiton fits that description.


yeah that's why they've had a career spanning over 15 years and played at some of the best music festivals in the world, sold out tours etc. x-factor winners have achieved nothing.

The key point being 15 years. There's no reason to suggest some winners such as Leona Lewis or Will Young won't still be doing their thing in 15 years. Of course some have faded to nothing but that's the same with all genres no matter how anyone gets famous. That aside, I still don't think you can say X-Factor winners have achieved "nothing" when the whole point of this campaign was to stop their fantastic run of number 1s

[Charles]

Since 2007 maybe, but rage have been around for so long. They are true legends. I doubt that many are envious of joe. He'll get this xmas number 2 and then fade into the distance...

Exactly, like everyone else except Leona because she actually had talent.

[ifuseekamy]

I still don't understand why I should feel sorry for him :S I'll save my pity for people who'll be living homeless or suffering with terminal illnesses etc. this christmas, not some kid who got through a reality show on grannies' and Cheryl Cole fans' votes because he might be number 2 in the charts. He isn't that impressive either. He sounds like a typical musical theatre singer. Danyl, for one, was a much stronger performer and singer.

[hah]

NUMBER TWO IS JOEEEEEEEE LOOOOOOOL

[Misawa]

Actually, the highest demographic of voters is teenagers.

[Seatherny]

NUMBER TWO IS JOEEEEEEEE LOOOOOOOL

*number 2

[Calvin]

RATM no1

[Charles]

Awesome, good effort.

[hah]

*number 2

thats what i said :8;)

[PaulMacC]

YES RATM #1

[iAdam]

Oh come on, killing in the name of, number one.

Not saying it should of been Joe, but seriously.

[hah]

joes song sounds so good on radio 1 now lol

[Jahova]

Winners!

[hah]

at least he was number one in ireland, thats all that matters


first ever download only christmas number one

[kk.]

No song should ever be number one unless it can be played in it's entirety. But meh, I don't mind x factor not being #1, I just wish a better song was chosen

[Misawa]

Victory for the envious and spiteful teenagers. Congratulations bitter sheep!

I don't care what song is Christmas number one if it isn't a Christmas song, but "Killing in the Name of" is such a terrible song from such a terrible band, and see above for the real reason behind its success. Either way, it won't elevate their career as a band. For those who think Joe is going to fade away, he's already signed many US deals and is about to ink a deal with Disney. So tough **** for you spiteful kiddies.

[Tash.]

That is pretty funny, I quite liked Joe but I despise the X-Factor and Mr Cowell and this has proved a point.

[alexxxxx]

Victory for the envious and spiteful teenagers. Congratulations bitter sheep!
tbh it's the same thing.

xfactor is big publicity for joe.

this campaign was big publicity for ratm.

this campaign won.

[kk.]

I wonder how many people will not like ratm now that it's mainstream.. Probably about right knowing the people that snowballed the campaign

[hah]

Christmas number one manipulated again.

[Charlottay!]

Joe should have got it. or at least if they were gonna battle pick a better song to be xmas number 1

[Swearwolf]

justice is done

[Charles]

Congratulations to Xfactor on the #2 spot for Christmas 2009! Well deserved!

[Niall!]

As a long time lover of RATM, I say unto you Joe supporters, HAHAHAHAHA

[kk.]

Congratulations to Xfactor on the #2 spot for Christmas 2009! Well deserved!

Too right, #2 is still an achievemnt for the first single, especially knowin th numbers will be high

[FlyingJesus]

I wonder how many people will not like ratm now that it's mainstream.. Probably about right knowing the people that snowballed the campaign

They've always been mainstream lol, just that rock/metal fanatics don't like to admit that. I also love how so many RATM fans are the sort to claim that rap isn't music/is the worst thing in the world/is just about gangsters and drugs/etc. etc. etc. but don't remember any of that when it's by a white man with a guitar.

[Wig44.]

They've always been mainstream lol, just that rock/metal fanatics don't like to admit that. I also love how so many RATM fans are the sort to claim that rap isn't music/is the worst thing in the world/is just about gangsters and drugs/etc. etc. etc. but don't remember any of that when it's by a white man with a guitar.

Because RATM isn't pure rap. But they have always been mainstream, and to all the butt-hurt Joe fans out there: We had a movement with the quickness.

[kk.]

Ok I meant in the charts again but same thing :P

[Misawa]

Brittany Murphy has died. Pathetic teens turn off your nonsense spouts and mourn.

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[PaulMacC]

Victory for the envious and spiteful teenagers. Congratulations bitter sheep!

I don't care what song is Christmas number one if it isn't a Christmas song, but "Killing in the Name of" is such a terrible song from such a terrible band, and see above for the real reason behind its success. Either way, it won't elevate their career as a band. For those who think Joe is going to fade away, he's already signed many US deals and is about to ink a deal with Disney. So tough **** for you spiteful kiddies.
Your what 19, grow up and stop being immature :rolleyes:

[Stefy09]

Hey guys, if you go jump off a cliff, muppets bohemian rhapsody will get xmas number 1 next year!

[kk.]

Say that to all the 30 year olds who bought the ratm single, grow up and stop being immature and let the charts be how they be, NATURAL.. Not generated by hate campaigns

[PaulMacC]

Say that to all the 30 year olds who nought the ratm single, grow up and stop being immature and let the charts be how they be, NATURAL.. Not generated by hate campaigns
When was buying a song immature?
They can buy what they like, your not controlling them. Your forgetting the fact that when these people where teenagers rage were popular.

[hah]

Brittany Murphy has died. Pathetic teens turn off your nonsense spouts and mourn.

aww that is well sad

[kk.]

When was buying a song immature?
They can buy what they like, your not controlling them. Your forgetting the fact that when these people where teenagers rage were popular.

buying a song becaus you are told to because you can't make your own decisions. They didn't buy what they want, a song was picked and everyone followed..

[iAdam]

Watch your steps guys, don't insult people over who they were supporting.

[adaym]

I highly doubt it. The vast majority of the people in the group won't even be buying it, and will be relying on everyone else to. In fact, most people join the group simply because they've been invited, and probably don't even know what it's about.
Unlucky. WRONG.

This is a win for society and proves that people power is still at large. It's also done what it set out to do - piss off a hell of a lot of people. It's just an epic win for RATM and people involved in the campaign.

[Wig44.]

Brittany Murphy died early this morning after she went into full cardiac arrest and could not be revived, multiple sources tell TMZ.

She was 32.

You don't go into full cardia arrest at 32 under normal circumstances so, can anyone enlighten me?

[Stefy09]

Maybe an announcement should be said to all the people who followed..

"If someone told you to stick your head in an oven, would you do it?"

[kk.]

It's possible to go into cardiac arrest and be of that age

[Stefy09]

Unlucky. WRONG.

This is a win for society and proves that people power is still at large. It's also done what it set out to do - piss off a hell of a lot of people. It's just an epic win for RATM and people involved in the campaign.

Actually you're wrong. That's just what you think it's all about.

It's just a monkey see monkey do type of thing

[PaulMacC]

Actually you're wrong. That's just what you think it's all about.

It's just a monkey see monkey do type of thing
Yep, for example someone wins X-Factor and it is basically saying, JOES SINGLE IS OUT WEDNESDAY ETC, GO BUY NOW!

[adaym]

Actually you're wrong. That's just what you think it's all about.

It's just a monkey see monkey do type of thing
See, you're bitter. You can't accept that people wanted Simon Cowell to **** off for a year. Someone came up with an idea; people said "ahh yes, brilliant" and joined in. If, you are saying joining in is wrong, then maybe you shouldn't get a job because people have jobs before you. Don't get a can of Coca-Cola because other people have bought that as well.

It's an example of fantastic people power. Fact.

[Stefy09]

Yep, for example someone wins X-Factor and it is basically saying, JOES SINGLE IS OUT WEDNESDAY ETC, GO BUY NOW!

Was that meant to look fail orrr?

[PaulMacC]

Was that meant to look fail orrr?
Nope, just your imagination is lacking and you need a better sense of humour. It's not too late to ask Santa for a bit of common sense either.

[Stefy09]

Nope, just your imagination is lacking and you need a better sense of humour. It's not too late to ask Santa for a bit of common sense either.

ooo I'm insulted

[PaulMacC]

ooo I'm insulted
You really need that common sense, it was not meant to be an insult. :$

[iAdam]

Careful.... Now may not be the time to be sarcastic.

[Stefy09]

You really need that common sense, it was not meant to be an insult. :$

Could easily be used as an insult actually. Not really my fault that I don't have the power to read someones mind.

[FlyingJesus]

You really need that common sense, it was not meant to be an insult. :$

You called him lacking in imagination and implied that he had no common sense (which you then re-iterated). I'd call that an insult


Careful.... Now may not be the time to be sarcastic.

That sounds fairly auspicious lol

[buttons]

good. it hardly means anything? i can't remember last years or the year before that

[joshuar]

I'm pleased with the result, amazing what one bloke on Facebook can make happen. It's been a while since i've seen some banter and arguments in this forum :)

[Fifteen]

Okay, so I found out about the RATM4xmas capaign on the 2nd of Dec, I really doubted it, then when it was time to purchase it and I saw it at #2, I was actully amazed. I am estatic! we've taken the power back, now turn that **** up :D Facebook will soon take over the world..:P

[ifuseekamy]

Maybe an announcement should be said to all the people who followed..

"If someone told you to stick your head in an oven, would you do it?"
Sticking your head in an oven is quite a different experience to buying a single.

[Stefy09]

Sticking your head in an oven is quite a different experience to buying a single.

No it isn't :S I could bet anything that half the people would OBVIOUSLY stick their head in an oven if I told them to..

[Axel]

Victory for the envious and spiteful teenagers. Congratulations bitter sheep!

I don't care what song is Christmas number one if it isn't a Christmas song, but "Killing in the Name of" is such a terrible song from such a terrible band, and see above for the real reason behind its success. Either way, it won't elevate their career as a band. For those who think Joe is going to fade away, he's already signed many US deals and is about to ink a deal with Disney. So tough **** for you spiteful kiddies.

Oh please do shut up you ****. People wanted Rage in the charts at number 1 instead of Joe. It happened. Take a hint and shut up.

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[Stefy09]

Oh please do shut up you ****. People wanted Rage in the charts at number 1 instead of Joe. It happened. Take a hint and shut up.

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Don't cry!

[Wig44.]

Don't cry!

It doesn't look like he is crying to me? Then again most of the stuff you say is ********.