Pictures of ourselves for our Avatars...

[Niall!]

Could you also take the opportunity of voting here in a poll created by the Forum Manager. Thanks.
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=643311

This should be allowed for adult (over 18) members only.

I don't see what a man has to fear from having a picture on a forum.


Edit: I don't seem to be able to create a poll, can a mod do it for me?

[Hecktix]

What would be the point of limiting it to adults on a Habbo forum where the main demographic ranges from 14-17.

I'm not a fan of avatars of users, I often think it looks quite messy on other forums.

However I may consider this if enough people want it, but last time a poll was created the main answer was no, so when this is discussed here we shall see where we can go :)

[Niall!]

It was aimed at adults because I thought children posting photos of themselves was prohibited by Habbo itself.

[Hecktix]

It was aimed at adults because I thought children posting photos of themselves was prohibited by Habbo itself.

The Habbo way actually states that we must allow users to post a picture of themselves, so I think that would clear that up :P

[Martin]

How would we be able to verify who is over 18 etc? I just don't think it would work. I don't really have a strong opinion on it either way, but as Oli said it can make the forum look kinda messy I guess. I don't see how the age thing comes into it though really, and would be unfair to single a particular age range out to be allowed to do one thing.

[Catzsy]

I have added a poll anyway to see what others think. :) As I said in the feedback forum I think the time has come to let members have them if they want. Times have changed and there are pictures allowed everywhere else on the forum now. It is a muliple choice poll and the results are hidden.

[dogboy123]

Not too fussed, anyone can easily fake their age!

[Niall!]

So if you're a habbo fansite, why are you denying us the chance to use photos of ourselves as avatars?

Also, how the hell would it be "messy"? It's the same as having a picture of a celeb in your avatar!

Thank you Catzsy.

[flatface]

No, it looks tacky

[Tintinnabulate]

The Habbo way actually states that we must allow users to post a picture of themselves, so I think that would clear that up :P

no options to not allow it? thats ******ed

In the poll, whats the diff between:

# No - Pictures should not be allowed for any members
# No - Not even if you are 18

technically the same thing.

[Nicola]

Like others have said above, the age thing just wouldn't work as anyone can fake their age and it is unfair to limit it to one age group.

I'm not really too fussed whether people have themselves in their avatars or not but I can see why people would think it looks tacky.

[Catzsy]

no options to not allow it? thats ******ed

In the poll, whats the diff between:

# No - Pictures should not be allowed for any members
# No - Not even if you are 18

technically the same thing.
Because the OP has specifically requested for 18+ Other members might want and it's multiple choice, anyway
What's your opinion on the thread though?

[Tintinnabulate]

Because the OP has specifically requested for 18+ Other members might want and it's multiple choice, anyway
What's your opinion on the thread though?

No - Not even if you are 18 is the same as dont allow anyone - as it means under 18s cant and over 18s cant so ....... yeah.

I voted no.

[Catzsy]

No - Not even if you are 18 is the same as dont allow anyone - as it means under 18s cant and over 18s cant so ....... yeah.

I voted no.

Okay well I don't think its a big deal but I voted yes.

[Niall!]

I'm still not getting the tacky argument.

Look at all the other **** people have as their avatars, look at mine. It's horrible.

[Hecktix]

I'm still not getting the tacky argument.

Look at all the other **** people have as their avatars, look at mine. It's horrible.

I find that a lot of forums just have people posing in their avatars of the avatars of themselves and unless they are incredibly attractive it just doesn't work.

I know people have pics of celebrities posing but they are professionally taken photographs not a mirror image of thirteen year old girls pouting.

[Niall!]

I find that a lot of forums just have people posing in their avatars of the avatars of themselves and unless they are incredibly attractive it just doesn't work.

I know people have pics of celebrities posing but they are professionally taken photographs not a mirror image of thirteen year old girls pouting.

The avatar I was using IS professionally taken! Why then should I not be allowed to use it?

[Catzsy]

The avatar I was using IS professionally taken! Why then should I not be allowed to use it?

I have to say it was a nice photo. :)

[Hecktix]

The avatar I was using IS professionally taken! Why then should I not be allowed to use it?

If yours would be then that's not saying other people's would be, infact, I am pretty certain the majority wouldn't be.

[Niall!]

I have to say it was a nice photo. :)

Cheers babe.

Even though it would never work, how about implementing a rule, all photos have to be decent quality or whatever. And by quality I mean not your typical myspace photo.

[Black_Apalachi]

This idea is even weirder than everyone being allowed to use photos of themselves. If I was 12 for example, and I came to this forum and the only self-avatars were of adults, it would seem like the whole forum was entirely populated by adults (as there would be no avatars of younger people) so it would probably just put me off.


So if you're a habbo fansite, why are you denying us the chance to use photos of ourselves as avatars?

Also, how the hell would it be "messy"? It's the same as having a picture of a celeb in your avatar!

Thank you Catzsy.

It's not the same at all. Most of the celebrity photos people would use in their avatar will be professionally done and it's obvious from looking at them that they are of somebody famous or whatever. If everyone was using photos of themselves it would look tacky because you would get all sorts of the worst photography you've ever seen.


The Habbo way actually states that we must allow users to post a picture of themselves, so I think that would clear that up :P

I must say I can't understand this.


Edit:

The poll options; 'No - Not even if you are 18' and; 'No - Pictures should not be allowed for any members' are essentially the same thing - so I voted for both. Also check-boxes are pointless for this poll.

[Niall!]

This idea is even weirder than everyone being allowed to use photos of themselves. If I was 12 for example, and I came to this forum and the only self-avatars were of adults, it would seem like the whole forum was entirely populated by adults (as there would be no avatars of younger people) so it would probably just put me off.



It's not the same at all. Most of the celebrity photos people would use in their avatar will be professionally done and it's obvious from looking at them that they are of somebody famous or whatever. If everyone was using photos of themselves it would look tacky because you would get all sorts of the worst photography you've ever seen.



I must say I can't understand this.



Cheers babe.

Even though it would never work, how about implementing a rule, all photos have to be decent quality or whatever. And by quality I mean not your typical myspace photo.

There you go.

[Hecktix]

Oh wait there, I got confused.

The old fansite way said fansites "Must" and "must not" now it says "can" and "cannot"


Allow your visitors to post a photo of themselves that's appropriate and does not contain personal information.

@ the only allowing decent photos, I think it's a bit OTT asking moderators to moderate whether a photograph is well-taken or not.

[Tintinnabulate]

Cheers babe.

Even though it would never work, how about implementing a rule, all photos have to be decent quality or whatever. And by quality I mean not your typical myspace photo.

People will argue its a good photo.

[Niall!]

Oh wait there, I got confused.

The old fansite way said fansites "Must" and "must not" now it says "can" and "cannot"



@ the only allowing decent photos, I think it's a bit OTT asking moderators to moderate whether a photograph is well-taken or not.

I thought it'd be to much, it was just a wild suggestion.

[Nixt]

@ the only allowing decent photos, I think it's a bit OTT asking moderators to moderate whether a photograph is well-taken or not.

Definitely - that would cause no end of trouble and moaning. I can imagine the PMs now...

"ARE YOU SAYING I'M UGLY!!?"

[Catzsy]

Oh wait there, I got confused.

The old fansite way said fansites "Must" and "must not" now it says "can" and "cannot"



@ the only allowing decent photos, I think it's a bit OTT asking moderators to moderate whether a photograph is well-taken or not.

Agree - either it's okay to post a picture or not really. :)

[immense]

I've always said it looks tacky and it does. I'd never have myself as my avatar but if people want to then they should be allowed. People might even feel more comfortable posting thinking they're good looking and people will reply to them and what not.

[Hecktix]

Definitely - that would cause no end of trouble and moaning. I can imagine the PMs now...

"ARE YOU SAYING I'M UGLY!!?"

ye m8 u r.

I'm willing to implement it if we get a clear majority wanting it, but please just THINK about thirteen year olds posing like fools.

[Tintinnabulate]

Edit:

The poll options; 'No - Not even if you are 18' and; 'No - Pictures should not be allowed for any members' are essentially the same thing - so I voted for both. Also check-boxes are pointless for this poll.

Thats what I said aswell. tbh they should edit the polls now.

[Nicola]

Cheers babe.

Even though it would never work, how about implementing a rule, all photos have to be decent quality or whatever. And by quality I mean not your typical myspace photo.

Tbh I think that's a rather hard judgement to make and moderators would probably get a lot of complaints.

[Sharon]

Can you just let us :D I'd like it.

[Black_Apalachi]

... @ the only allowing decent photos, I think it's a bit OTT asking moderators to moderate whether a photograph is well-taken or not.

It's like the worst idea I've ever read on Habbox. It would simply be impossible to moderate!


I've always said it looks tacky and it does. I'd never have myself as my avatar but if people want to then they should be allowed. People might even feel more comfortable posting thinking they're good looking and people will reply to them and what not.

That automatically raises the opposite point; everyone who chooses not to show a picture of themselves will just end up being bullied.. 'everyone else has a picture of themselves in their avatar, why don't you, because you're ugly?'.

[xxMATTGxx]

It will be interesting to see how the poll turns out as normally the majority choose no. I'm not a huge fan on the whole idea but I don't mind it being allowed for users to upload a picture of themselves as their avatar but we shall see in due course.


Cheers babe.

Even though it would never work, how about implementing a rule, all photos have to be decent quality or whatever. And by quality I mean not your typical myspace photo.

I disagree with this idea completely, we are not some photography website where they only allow good photos.

[Nixt]

Just wanted to get my personal view in, but obviously I am not going to let that affect the overall decision. Personally I feel that having pictures of yourself in your avatar is unnecessary. It doesn't really add any substance and in fact just leads the way for more rule breaking, arguments and bullying. I also think it looks very tacky. I don't see the need to have a picture of yourself? We're not a social networking site, we're a forum. The concept just confuses me, it just feels so unnecessary.

[immense]

That automatically raises the opposite point; everyone who chooses not to show a picture of themselves will just end up being bullied.. 'everyone else has a picture of themselves in their avatar, why don't you, because you're ugly?'.

Not really. I don't think you've ever posted a pic, I don't judge you on that fact. I don't think MissAlice has and people aren't calling her ugly (sorry to use you as an example as always, Alice) but yeah I don't buy that explanation.

[Catzsy]

Just wanted to get my personal view in, but obviously I am not going to let that affect the overall decision. Personally I feel that having pictures of yourself in your avatar is unnecessary. It doesn't really add any substance and in fact just leads the way for more rule breaking, arguments and bullying. I also think it looks very tacky. I don't see the need to have a picture of yourself? We're not a social networking site, we're a forum. The concept just confuses me, it just feels so unnecessary.

Yes I can see where you are coming from except most other Habbo fansites allow it now and if we are to attract new members then it could be a put off for them. Most of the pms that we send asking for removal are new members. Just a thought. Also we do allow them almost everywhere else on the forum now whereas we never used to.

[Circadia]

personally i wouldn't put one up and it will look a bit tacky but its a freedom of choice if they want a picture of themselves then they should be aloud . so i voted yes

[Hecktix]

Yes I can see where you are coming from except most other Habbo fansites allow it now and if we are to attract new members then it could be a put off for them. Most of the pms that we send asking for removal are new members. Just a thought.

The "most other fansites" thing always baffles me, Habbox is and never will be other fansites. We are Habbox.

[Nixt]

Yes I can see where you are coming from except most other Habbo fansites allow it now and if we are to attract new members then it could be a put off for them. Most of the pms that we send asking for removal are new members. Just a thought. Also we do allow them almost everywhere else on the forum now whereas we never used to.

That's a fair point a lot of new members do do that by default. Wise words :)

[Inseriousity.]

If people want to pose, let them get on with it tbh. They'll grow out of it eventually. :)
I say yes... oh and let everyone, not just adults.

[immense]

The "most other fansites" thing always baffles me, Habbox is and never will be other fansites. We are Habbox.

I think Rosie's point was more that people are just accustomed to it and expect it to be the same on here so you end up penalising new members, effectively putting them off the forum.

[Niall!]

Just wanted to get my personal view in, but obviously I am not going to let that affect the overall decision. Personally I feel that having pictures of yourself in your avatar is unnecessary. It doesn't really add any substance and in fact just leads the way for more rule breaking, arguments and bullying. I also think it looks very tacky. I don't see the need to have a picture of yourself? We're not a social networking site, we're a forum. The concept just confuses me, it just feels so unnecessary.

Because I have a picture which I really like and want to show it off?

[Catzsy]

The "most other fansites" thing always baffles me, Habbox is and never will be other fansites. We are Habbox.

Yes I know but I did edit the above post so say that the majority of pms we send for removal are for new members. I would say it's probably 95% and it seems to be expected now. We need more members that post and I feel they could be put off doing it if the first thing we ask them is to remove their picture.

[Hecktix]

Because I have a picture which I really like and want to show it off?

Then why does it not suffice to post it in 'Post a Picture of You'?

@ Catzsy, that's the one part I agree with :)

[Richie]

i dnt rlly care its not gonna change the forum

[Black_Apalachi]

Not really. I don't think you've ever posted a pic, I don't judge you on that fact. I don't think MissAlice has and people aren't calling her ugly (sorry to use you as an example as always, Alice) but yeah I don't buy that explanation.

Yeah but we all know there are plenty of people like that on here. I have posted pictures before but even so, back when I was more active I got hassled all the time. If I was a 12 year old joining the forum for the first time, it wouldn't make me feel very welcomed. The whole point of websites like this is for kids to get away from some of the harsh realities of life by giving them an element of anonymity. Changing the rules in question is just opening a huge gateway to bullying and as Garion says, it couldn't be more unnecessary.

[Catzsy]

Yeah but we all know there are plenty of people like that on here. I have posted pictures before but even so, back when I was more active I got hassled all the time. If I was a 12 year old joining the forum for the first time, it wouldn't make me feel very welcomed. The whole point of websites like this is for kids to get away from some of the harsh realities of life by giving them an element of anonymity. Changing the rules in question is just opening a huge gateway to bullying and as Garion says, it couldn't be more unnecessary.

I think there is more chance of bullying in 'post a picture' thread than in an avatar and it wouldn't be compulsory. Some people prefer to keep their privacy and in any event any bullying would be dealt with. Tbh anybody who bullies anybody about their looks is not worth bothering about anyway.

[Richie]

What I don't understand is, why people don't have the option to put their picture as their avatar. People who don't want to post pictures, don't have to. I won't be putting my picture as my avatar but I don't see why I shouldn't have the option.

In some sense I don't really want the option, I'm contradicting myself but the only reason why I wouldn't want it is because the amount of people on these habbo forums who are stuck up their own arses is unreal and will think they are the dogs **** with their 'fabulous' pictures. I'm saying that in the nicest way possible.

[hah]

It's like the worst idea I've ever read on Habbox. It would simply be impossible to moderate!



That automatically raises the opposite point; everyone who chooses not to show a picture of themselves will just end up being bullied.. 'everyone else has a picture of themselves in their avatar, why don't you, because you're ugly?'.

hardly lmao
i wouldnt put one in my avatar but ill post them
your point is flawed

no one would be bullied, if they wanted to bully they would just do it it in papoy

[Gibs960]

I personally wouldn't but I believe a lot of the forum would want to, so therefore I say for all members, what harm could it possibly do :)

[wiktoria]

No - Pictures should not be allowed for any members. It just looks weird. Why has my forum suddenly gone really big?

[Mr-Trainor]

Personally I think it should be allowed. If a user wants to use themself for their avatar then i don't see a problem with it. If they don't then they don't have to.

[Caution]

yeah, people should be allowed to but i don't think many people would do it.

[Tintinnabulate]

should have done a option asking how many will actually post their own pic.

[Nixt]

should have done a option asking how many will actually post their own pic.

Omg when I did a poll with a question like that everyone had a go at me saying it was pointless - including yourself!

[immense]

LMAO! that would be pointless what a silly idea garion and saurav ;l -rep ya both

[Niall!]

yeah, people should be allowed to but i don't think many people would do it.

Who cares how many people would do it? That's not the matter at hand.

[Hecktix]

I have posted a poll in feedback polls as this one is flawed since you can select all options :P

[FlyingJesus]

I'm willing to implement it if we get a clear majority wanting it, but please just THINK about thirteen year olds posing like fools.

What about 20 year olds posing like fools? If this came into effect and I did at some point feel like changing my avatar to a picture of myself, I'd certainly be more likely to do so with a ****zy pic than one I actually thought was good


It's like the worst idea I've ever read on Habbox.

Should see some of the things Garion used to come up with


everyone who chooses not to show a picture of themselves will just end up being bullied.. 'everyone else has a picture of themselves in their avatar, why don't you, because you're ugly?'.

Despite plenty of people arguing to the contrary, I'd agree with this point. I've seen it before in the past, if not here then on other forums, where people assume that those who don't show themselves when "everyone" else does must have something to hide. I'll admit quite gladly to having such thoughts myself before, simply because I'm just nice like that


Omg when I did a poll with a question like that everyone had a go at me saying it was pointless - including yourself!

And you allowed this HYPOCRITCAL and CONTRADICTORY young man to win an election ;| I'd be furious but I have lots of food so it's difficult not to be happy woopwoop

[Niall!]

I have posted a poll in feedback polls as this one is flawed since you can select all options :P

Where is this poll?

[Nicola]

Where is this poll?

Here (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=643311), in "Feedback Polls" :)

[Black_Apalachi]

I think there is more chance of bullying in 'post a picture' thread than in an avatar and it wouldn't be compulsory. Some people prefer to keep their privacy and in any event any bullying would be dealt with. Tbh anybody who bullies anybody about their looks is not worth bothering about anyway.

Going to the trouble of regularly uploading pictures to the Post a Picture of You thread (as people generally do rather than a one off thing) is completely different to just sticking one in your avatar. Allowing people to use pictures of themselves in avatars would put pressure on those who don't want to show their picture and would lead to bullying one way or another. And saying bullying would be dealt with and that they're not worth bothering about is beside the point. If those simple words actually worked then why are so many children affected by bullying in the world?

[GommeInc]

It does look tacky :/ It only ever works on dull, colourless forums with an age range of 18+. It would be nice, but on an aesthetic point of view, it just wouldn't look right and isn't a necessirty - you can get people talking about themselves in any of the other forums where relevance is pending :P

[immense]

Going to the trouble of regularly uploading pictures to the Post a Picture of You thread (as people generally do rather than a one off thing) is completely different to just sticking one in your avatar. Allowing people to use pictures of themselves in avatars would put pressure on those who don't want to show their picture and would lead to bullying one way or another. And saying bullying would be dealt with and that they're not worth bothering about is beside the point. If those simple words actually worked then why are so many children affected by bullying in the world?

Not really, lol. That's a bizarre thing to say. I definitely won't put an image of me as my avatar and I guarantee I won't be picked on because of it. The majority of users haven't posted pictures and they're under no pressure to do so, this is no different. You might get picked on if you're going around constantly commenting in PAPOY and sometimes criticising and then and only then have I seen "well lets see you then..."

It does look tacky :/ It only ever works on dull, colourless forums with an age range of 18+. It would be nice, but on an aesthetic point of view, it just wouldn't look right and isn't a necessirty - you can get people talking about themselves in any of the other forums where relevance is pending :P

loving how you have fom in your sig

[Tintinnabulate]

Omg when I did a poll with a question like that everyone had a go at me saying it was pointless - including yourself!

I said putting an option saying "I want it and I will put a picture of myself" and "I want it but I wont put a picture of myself" was pointless? I cant remember but I am very sorry if I did :p.

[Catzsy]

I have posted a poll in feedback polls as this one is flawed since you can select all options :P

The options were for the 18+ and members under. I am sure most members would be mature enough just to vote for what they want, Oli. If they voted for all then it would just negate their vote. :P It does seem to be largely in favour at the moment too.

[Black_Apalachi]

Not really, lol. That's a bizarre thing to say. I definitely won't put an image of me as my avatar and I guarantee I won't be picked on because of it. The majority of users haven't posted pictures and they're under no pressure to do so, this is no different. You might get picked on if you're going around constantly commenting in PAPOY and sometimes criticising and then and only then have I seen "well lets see you then..."


loving how you have fom in your sig

What's bizare is the way you keep generalising yourself as an average Habbox Forum member! I know you won't do it and won't experience any issues because of it, but I'm talking about much younger children who join the forum for the first time and see this culture of everyone displaying their own pictures and commenting on each other (which will happen) and they will feel pressured to conform even if they don't feel comfortable with it. The difference between this and PAPOY is that one thread isn't in full view all the time and can be easily avoided where as this will give opportunities for people to sneak in sly comments with every other post just because they don't like the colour of somebody's hair or something stupid like that.


Edit - about the poll:

If the poll allows you to vote for multiple responses then don't expect people to ignore this. I voted for 'No - Pictures should not be allowed for any members' but I also agree with 'No - Not even if you are 18' and I assumed the multiple answer thing had been set for a reason so I voted for both.

[Catzsy]

What's bizzare is the way you keep generalising yourself as an average Habbox Forum member! I know you won't do it and won't experience any issues because of it, but I'm talking about much younger children who join the forum for the first time and see this culture of everyone displaying their own pictures and commenting on each other (which will happen) and they will feel pressured to conform even if they don't feel comfortable with it. The difference between this and PAPOY is that one thread isn't in full view all the time and can be easily avoided where as this will give opportunities to people to sneak in sly comments with every other post just because they don't like the colour od somebody's hair or something stupid like that.

Well you should have no need at all to feel pressured to do anything you don't want to do. This rule covers it:


A1. Respect other forum members ~ Always respect other forum members, this means do not be rude towards them and respect their opinions. You should not bully or victimise other members for any reason and you should not behave in a negative manner excessively.

If people make snide remarks then it is covered by the above rule and the rule will be enforced.

[immense]

What's bizare is the way you keep generalising yourself as an average Habbox Forum member! I know you won't do it and won't experience any issues because of it, but I'm talking about much younger children who join the forum for the first time and see this culture of everyone displaying their own pictures and commenting on each other (which will happen) and they will feel pressured to conform even if they don't feel comfortable with it. The difference between this and PAPOY is that one thread isn't in full view all the time and can be easily avoided where as this will give opportunities to people to sneak in sly comments with every other post just because they don't like the colour od somebody's hair or something stupid like that.

I am very much an average Habbox member. VIP? no! donator? no! staff? no! Just old doherty. You can't assume people will feel the pressure to conform, it's a Habbo fansite. People won't if they don't want too - they should be given the option though. Times have changed, rules have to change with it. If anything by keeping it the way it is is scaring new members. As Catzsy, (who would know as a SMOD) it's new users who put themselves as their avatar and have to be told off for it - not the best start. Just to add, if they were picked on about it, the perpetrator would be dealt with.

[Black_Apalachi]

I am very much an average Habbox member. VIP? no! donator? no! staff? no! Just old doherty. You can't assume people will feel the pressure to conform, it's a Habbo fansite. People won't if they don't want too - they should be given the option though. Times have changed, rules have to change with it. If anything by keeping it the way it is is scaring new members. As Catzsy, (who would know as a SMOD) it's new users who put themselves as their avatar and have to be told off for it - not the best start. Just to add, if they were picked on about it, the perpetrator would be dealt with.

Well when I say average, I mean somebody who isn't known as the co-owner of a Habbo Staff managed fansite, for instance. Anyway I'm sure you were opposed to the idea at the beginning of the thread? :S

[GommeInc]

Well you should have no need at all to feel pressured to do anything you don't want to do. This rule covers it:



If people make snide remarks then it is covered by the above rule and the rule will be enforced.

Plus any other rules like rudeness.

Okay, apparently that is that rule :P Pointless posting can come under it, privacy (if it's an individual finding other pictures or information to use against someone) and inappropriate posting.

[immense]

I don't co-own any site. I don't speak to any Habbo staff. I am normal.