England vs. Germany

[CHA!NGANG]

Oh great, Rooney!

Can anybody shed any light onto his performance because i just can't?

Tiredness, not enough support?, or just nothing going right for him?

I think he was burnt out after the United season. That long with not enough support. He's done it for England in the past, even in the qualifiers, and he'll do it again. This WC wasn't his time though. Hopefully with a new manager, and maybe a new formation both those problems can be sorted.

I still think if England got further, Rooney would have picked it up.

[Neversoft]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/playlive/bbc_radio_five_live/

[Mexel]

We lost, these things happen, there not going to go there and play realy bad on puropse are they? Its just football for you. England till i die. And lets face it im sure everyone agrees when i say it could be worse, you could actually be German.

Just looking forward to next season now.

[samsaBEAR]

I don't want to use the disallowed goal as an excuse, but I truely do not understand why FIFA/the relevant world football people don't employ goal line technology, or allow the referee to refer to a video replay. Gary Linaker (pretty sure that's spelt wrong haha) read out a statement after the game saying it was too expensive. ******** is it, rugby and cricket both have it, why not football, which is meant to the most played sport around the world.
Like I said, not using it as an excuse, but it amazes me how the FIFA allow this 'the referee is always right no matter what' attitude at national level, especially in the final 16 where a goal can be the difference between winning and losing

[CrackSplat]

disappointing, england let me down in the fifa predictions

[Grig]

Lol get rid of Capello too, at times he looked like he needed a needle injection to calm him down and was on the verge of going bonkers and out of his mind.

[Mathew]

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs035.snc4/34135_401830442841_731757841_4377606_8160775_n.jpg

We deserved to lose after that terrible performance.

[Neversoft]

I don't want to use the disallowed goal as an excuse, but I truely do not understand why FIFA/the relevant world football people don't employ goal line technology, or allow the referee to refer to a video replay. Gary Linaker (pretty sure that's spelt wrong haha) read out a statement after the game saying it was too expensive. ******** is it, rugby and cricket both have it, why not football, which is meant to the most played sport around the world.
Like I said, not using it as an excuse, but it amazes me how the FIFA allow this 'the referee is always right no matter what' attitude at national level, especially in the final 16 where a goal can be the difference between winning and losing

The reason they said it was too expensive was because the technology they were talking about involved a magnectic force around the goal and a microchip inside the ball, which is obviously absurd. They were talking about it for a good three hours on BBC Five Live last night and they had one of the pioneer's of the technology on there (or at least someone who knew what he was talking about) who said that the microchip idea was urealistic and that other idea was to have six cameras inside the goal which would record the ball at every angle and this wouldn't cost much at all. FIFA really have no excuse.

[samsaBEAR]

The reason they said it was too expensive was because the technology they were talking about involved a magnectic force around the goal and a microchip inside the ball, which is obviously absurd. They were talking about it for a good three hours on BBC Five Live last night and they had one of the pioneer's of the technology on there (or at least someone who knew what he was talking about) who said that the microchip idea was urealistic and that other idea was to have six cameras inside the goal which would record the ball at every angle and this wouldn't cost much at all. FIFA really have no excuse.
It doesn't even need to be all this fancy technology, there are enough cameras already across the stadium, all the referee needs to do is ask to see the replay that we see. It breaks all logical bounds that FIFA don't allow this

[CHA!NGANG]

Meh, there are a lot more sides to the story then people think. If you say: Why can't they just look at the replays then where's the limits. Also, It would make the game flow less. On top of that, I think the bad mistakes actually add to the game. If everything was right, it would be boring. I think only for goals/penalties and there has to be a limit.

[Camy]

It doesn't even need to be all this fancy technology, there are enough cameras already across the stadium, all the referee needs to do is ask to see the replay that we see. It breaks all logical bounds that FIFA don't allow this
I agree, they don't need to spend money, the technology's already there. They just need to get a grip and implement it.

[Browney]

Hm.. 2014.. maybe:

--------------- Hart --------------
Johnson - Cahill - Shawcross - Gibbs
-- Milner - Huddlestone - Wilshere --
-- Walcott - Rooney - A. Johnson --

I hope we start playing our younger players because they have a lot of potential.

baines for Gibbs i'd say.


Oh great, Rooney!

Can anybody shed any light onto his performance because i just can't?

Tiredness, not enough support?, or just nothing going right for him?

Wrong formation, not 100% fit, different style of play compared to PL.


I don't want to use the disallowed goal as an excuse, but I truely do not understand why FIFA/the relevant world football people don't employ goal line technology, or allow the referee to refer to a video replay. Gary Linaker (pretty sure that's spelt wrong haha) read out a statement after the game saying it was too expensive. ******** is it, rugby and cricket both have it, why not football, which is meant to the most played sport around the world.
Like I said, not using it as an excuse, but it amazes me how the FIFA allow this 'the referee is always right no matter what' attitude at national level, especially in the final 16 where a goal can be the difference between winning and losing

Yeah, yesterday in the Mexico match, the Tevez goal which was offside was shown on the big screen and the Mexican fans went ballistic. The referee and linesmen saw they did wrong but they could do nothing about it. The technology is there.

[Stephen]

so who you guys supporting now england are out? I want spain to win

[Browney]

Paraguay. Cristian Riveros and da Silva <3. Those, or Ghana.

[CHA!NGANG]

Paraguay. Cristian Riveros and da Silva <3. Those, or Ghana.

Have you seen the famous Paraguay female supporter?

Oh and Netherlands for me. As for Gibbs, I think he'll be the next Cole. We have a way of developing top class LB's and I have no doubt he'll be the next one. He's 20 atm, so in 4 years time he'll be ready imo. At 19 he was the U21 starting LB, so I think he'll make the step up soon.

[Camy]

I'd quite like Spain to win, but I'm not too fussy tbh.

[Neversoft]

I hope Germany win.

[Browney]

Have you seen the famous Paraguay female supporter?

Oh and Netherlands for me. As for Gibbs, I think he'll be the next Cole. We have a way of developing top class LB's and I have no doubt he'll be the next one. He's 20 atm, so in 4 years time he'll be ready imo. At 19 he was the U21 starting LB, so I think he'll make the step up soon.

I haven't no, what is it?

The Heskey criticism is harsh. Just look at the skill.

http://i47.tinypic.com/2d9tsav.gif

BOOM.

[Swastika]

so who you guys supporting now england are out? I want spain to win
People don't just start supporting other countries when there's is out LOL.
I don't care who wins now, Argentina look strong though.

[samsaBEAR]

Yeah, yesterday in the Mexico match, the Tevez goal which was offside was shown on the big screen and the Mexican fans went ballistic. The referee and linesmen saw they did wrong but they could do nothing about it. The technology is there.
It's stupid that a referee's decision can't be taken back, it's just so unfair.
I want Japan to win

[CHA!NGANG]

Apparently the Paraguay team has best female followers. They have a model that goes to all the games and people she has some huge following or something:

http://de.acidcow.com/pics/20100616/paraguay_fan_larissa_riquelme_01.jpg
http://www.epltalk.com/arsenal-home-jersey-for-2010-11-season-new-photos-released/21475?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+EPLTalk+%28EPL+Talk%29

[Adamm]

booooooooooooooobs

[Browney]

Apparently the Paraguay team has best female followers. They have a model that goes to all the games and people she has some huge following or something:

http://de.acidcow.com/pics/20100616/paraguay_fan_larissa_riquelme_01.jpg
http://www.epltalk.com/arsenal-home-jersey-for-2010-11-season-new-photos-released/21475?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+EPLTalk+%28EPL+Talk%29

Oh my... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorboat)

[CHA!NGANG]

She likes to keep her phone in a particular place...

http://www.net.hr/2010/06/24/0637007.42.jpg

[Browney]

Please tell me that's her brother... Anyway. I actually don't want Capello to go. Give him more time. Let him work with a new bunch of players.

[Camy]

http://www.net.hr/2010/06/24/0637007.42.jpg

What a nice phone.

[Alba]

Hahaha, people on here are so fickle man. Perfect result. Did anyone mention 66? Nice little goal scored In that minute, eh?

All In all, England lack players that can be deemed as a playmaker. Everybody says about the England players being great in the Premier League then terrible at international tournaments. This is due to England players being complimented by their foreign teammates at club level. Look at Manchester United, they're a counter-attacking side who get the ball wide and work it in. Look at the wingers, Valencia and Nani. Both foreign with a bit of flair who can take on the full back. The English players are grafters in a certain sense at club level, they work really hard but without the foreign technical players to create chances they're worthless. All international teams at the top level have at least one player who can pull the strings from the midfield or behind the strikers. England have no one who can deliver a killer ball.

Another thing that makes it hard for Capello is the lack of pace in the side. Any English player with real pace has a lack of technique. Lennon, Walcott, SWP, they can all run but when it comes to delivering a cross, you're lucky to get one out of ten in a good position to be attacked. There is also an over-reliance on one player, i.e. Rooney. Without him playing well there is no attacking threat. Until England get some quick players with a bit of technical skill and a playmaker they will never make it to the latter stages of a major international competition.

[CHA!NGANG]

Introducing... Jack Wilshere ;) http://concerningarsenal.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/jack-wilshere.jpg

[StefanWolves]

Hahaha, people on here are so fickle man. Perfect result. Did anyone mention 66? Nice little goal scored In that minute, eh?

All In all, England lack players that can be deemed as a playmaker. Everybody says about the England players being great in the Premier League then terrible at international tournaments. This is due to England players being complimented by their foreign teammates at club level. Look at Manchester United, they're a counter-attacking side who get the ball wide and work it in. Look at the wingers, Valencia and Nani. Both foreign with a bit of flair who can take on the full back. The English players are grafters in a certain sense at club level, they work really hard but without the foreign technical players to create chances they're worthless. All international teams at the top level have at least one player who can pull the strings from the midfield or behind the strikers. England have no one who can deliver a killer ball.

Another thing that makes it hard for Capello is the lack of pace in the side. Any English player with real pace has a lack of technique. Lennon, Walcott, SWP, they can all run but when it comes to delivering a cross, you're lucky to get one out of ten in a good position to be attacked. There is also an over-reliance on one player, i.e. Rooney. Without him playing well there is no attacking threat. Until England get some quick players with a bit of technical skill and a playmaker they will never make it to the latter stages of a major international competition.

are you asking for an argument? especially with an avatar like that. I suppose you're umm, Scottish?

[JackBuddy]

Hahaha, people on here are so fickle man. Perfect result. Did anyone mention 66? Nice little goal scored In that minute, eh?

All In all, England lack players that can be deemed as a playmaker. Everybody says about the England players being great in the Premier League then terrible at international tournaments. This is due to England players being complimented by their foreign teammates at club level. Look at Manchester United, they're a counter-attacking side who get the ball wide and work it in. Look at the wingers, Valencia and Nani. Both foreign with a bit of flair who can take on the full back. The English players are grafters in a certain sense at club level, they work really hard but without the foreign technical players to create chances they're worthless. All international teams at the top level have at least one player who can pull the strings from the midfield or behind the strikers. England have no one who can deliver a killer ball.

Another thing that makes it hard for Capello is the lack of pace in the side. Any English player with real pace has a lack of technique. Lennon, Walcott, SWP, they can all run but when it comes to delivering a cross, you're lucky to get one out of ten in a good position to be attacked. There is also an over-reliance on one player, i.e. Rooney. Without him playing well there is no attacking threat. Until England get some quick players with a bit of technical skill and a playmaker they will never make it to the latter stages of a major international competition.
We have plenty of players in the same mould as Nani/ Valencia who are just as good if not better. Arguably the most competetive area within the squad.

[CHA!NGANG]

Walcott, Lennon, Milner, Young, SWP, A. Johnson and J. Cole all say hi.

[Camy]

Hahaha, people on here are so fickle man. Perfect result. Did anyone mention 66? Nice little goal scored In that minute, eh?

All In all, England lack players that can be deemed as a playmaker. Everybody says about the England players being great in the Premier League then terrible at international tournaments. This is due to England players being complimented by their foreign teammates at club level. Look at Manchester United, they're a counter-attacking side who get the ball wide and work it in. Look at the wingers, Valencia and Nani. Both foreign with a bit of flair who can take on the full back. The English players are grafters in a certain sense at club level, they work really hard but without the foreign technical players to create chances they're worthless. All international teams at the top level have at least one player who can pull the strings from the midfield or behind the strikers. England have no one who can deliver a killer ball.

Another thing that makes it hard for Capello is the lack of pace in the side. Any English player with real pace has a lack of technique. Lennon, Walcott, SWP, they can all run but when it comes to delivering a cross, you're lucky to get one out of ten in a good position to be attacked. There is also an over-reliance on one player, i.e. Rooney. Without him playing well there is no attacking threat. Until England get some quick players with a bit of technical skill and a playmaker they will never make it to the latter stages of a major international competition.


are you asking for an argument? especially with an avatar like that. I suppose you're umm, Scottish?
Are ye kiddin? Everything he said has some backing behind it, if anything your the one asking for an argument making mild racist comments.
England players get made out as being world class, in reality they're not. Sure they do well in the premier league, but in the international games there isn't anyone there to set up plays that they can convert to goals. Although, on the other hand, Rooney does seem to be able to score goals, and set up goals for others, and when Beckhams fit he can set up the goals, but they can't just rely on 2 or 3 players.
It's just funny looking at that table that was posted a few pages back of England's excuses since 1970, if England are so good, they shouldn't be going out on stupid misjudgements and errors.

[Adamm]

Are ye kiddin? Everything he said has some backing behind it, if anything your the one asking for an argument making mild racist comments.

just how was his comment racist?

[Camy]

just how was his comment racist?

i said it was a mild racist comment because of:-

are you asking for an argument? especially with an avatar like that. I suppose you're umm, Scottish?

[CHA!NGANG]

i said it was a mild racist comment because of:-

No it wasn't racist at all. There's a good chance he is in fact Scottish. On a lot of the forums i've been on you find people supporting countries that aren't there own, and most Scottish people support anyone that beats England. It's a fact really. Nothing racist about it.

[Jibbish]

i said it was a mild racist comment because of:-
scottish isnt a race, it is a nationality.

[CHA!NGANG]

Yes. That too.

[W00TZEH]

scottish isnt a race, it is a nationality.
Ah so Pakistani is a race.

[AlexOC]

Ah so Pakistani is a race.

No, pakistani is the name of people from Pakistan. Asian is the race involved there.

[StefanWolves]

No it wasn't racist at all. There's a good chance he is in fact Scottish. On a lot of the forums i've been on you find people supporting countries that aren't there own, and most Scottish people support anyone that beats England. It's a fact really. Nothing racist about it.

A British person being racist to a fellow British person? Whatever next. :S

So if you're saying that's racist, what about all the Scottish people on SSN earlier laughing when Lampard's 'goal' wasn't given? Are you now going to say SSN is racist?

[Jibbish]

Ah so Pakistani is a race.
Pakistani is a nationality.

[W00TZEH]

Pakistani is a nationality.
So explain to me how calling someone a **** is racist?

[AlexOC]

So explain to me how calling someone a **** is racist?

Meh, its exactly the same as calling one of us lot a 'Brit'

[CHA!NGANG]

A British person being racist to a fellow British person? Whatever next. :S

So if you're saying that's racist, what about all the Scottish people on SSN earlier laughing when Lampard's 'goal' wasn't given? Are you now going to say SSN is racist?

Is that aimed towards me?

---------- Post added 28-06-2010 at 06:03 PM ----------

And Wootzeh, technically I don't think it is, but Nationalist doesn't really sound right so people just say Racist instead.

[Jibbish]

So explain to me how calling someone a **** is racist?
Technically it isn't, people have grown accustomed to it being a racial slur, because it had been used as a weapon of hatred towards Asians by ignorant fascists.
It just like calling an Australian, Aussie etc...

[Alba]

An Indian guy I know told me that In some villages In India they use the word '****' as a term for 'dirty dog'. Meh.

Anyway, the Wolves fan (lol) who quoted me originally was obviously looking for an arguement, by trying to bait me. Which Is kinda pathetic. Kudos to Camy for noticing It aswell.

[CHA!NGANG]

An Indian guy I know told me that In some villages In India they use the word '****' as a term for 'dirty dog'. Meh.

Anyway, the Wolves fan (lol) who quoted me originally was obviously looking for an arguement, by trying to bait me. Which Is kinda pathetic. Kudos to Camy for noticing It aswell.

Well to be fair, you come on an English forum with a German flag as your avatar and expect not to get an arguement? Most your points were fine, but your opening line is asking for an arguement.

Are you German btw?

[Browney]

What a nice phone.

There's a phone?


Hahaha, people on here are so fickle man. Perfect result. Did anyone mention 66? Nice little goal scored In that minute, eh?

Actually, yes they did.


All In all, England lack players that can be deemed as a playmaker. Everybody says about the England players being great in the Premier League then terrible at international tournaments. This is due to England players being complimented by their foreign teammates at club level. Look at Manchester United, they're a counter-attacking side who get the ball wide and work it in. Look at the wingers, Valencia and Nani. Both foreign with a bit of flair who can take on the full back. The English players are grafters in a certain sense at club level, they work really hard but without the foreign technical players to create chances they're worthless. All international teams at the top level have at least one player who can pull the strings from the midfield or behind the strikers. England have no one who can deliver a killer ball.

Gerrard. Not our fault Capello insists on playing him out left. I'm pretty sure everyone was screaming for


? --- ?
? --- Gerrard --- ?
Rooney



Another thing that makes it hard for Capello is the lack of pace in the side. Any English player with real pace has a lack of technique. Lennon, Walcott, SWP, they can all run but when it comes to delivering a cross, you're lucky to get one out of ten in a good position to be attacked. There is also an over-reliance on one player, i.e. Rooney. Without him playing well there is no attacking threat. Until England get some quick players with a bit of technical skill and a playmaker they will never make it to the latter stages of a major international competition.

Lennon is better than Valencia. You also forget Walcott and Lennon are not finished articles. They're 21 and 22 respectively. Valencia is a good 3/4 years older. And the point about Rooney is very true. But that was always going to happen with a striker as good as him, in as good form with no one really challenging him for the first striker spot. if we don't rely on Rooney, who DO we have? Defoe? Actually, having seen Rooneys form I would've rather seen Defoe start.


An Indian guy I know told me that In some villages In India they use the word '****' as a term for 'dirty dog'. Meh.

Anyway, the Wolves fan (lol) who quoted me originally was obviously looking for an arguement, by trying to bait me. Which Is kinda pathetic. Kudos to Camy for noticing It aswell.

That'll be because Indians and Pakistanis HATE each other.

[JackBuddy]

Lennon is better than Valencia. You also forget Walcott and Lennon are not finished articles. They're 21 and 22 respectively. Valencia is a good 3/4 years older. And the point about Rooney is very true. But that was always going to happen with a striker as good as him, in as good form with no one really challenging him for the first striker spot. if we don't rely on Rooney, who DO we have? Defoe? Actually, having seen Rooneys form I would've rather seen Defoe start.

Defoe should only play if Lennon does- it's no coincidence that Defoe stopped scoring goals once Lennon got injured. Lennon got 10 assists before he was injured in December and Defoe knocked in the vast majority of those. They have a clever understanding of eachother. Defoe can't play up front alone, and Rooney could have got a goal and regained his form/confidence at anytime.

There was no other alternative really, apart from Defoe and Crouch I guess, but I wouldn't have taken the risk in dropping Rooney personally.

[Browney]

I'm not saying upfront alone, I'm saying with Gerrard behind. Like at Liverpool. Gerrard plays behind a pacey finisher. Gerrard behind Rooney probably wouldn't work. Tactically wise, Rooney has a habit of running back. If he ran back with Gerrard behind him, then two things might happen 1. Gerrard could be awake and overlap on Rooney 2. Gerrard and Rooney end up playing too deep. So it'd be a bit hit and miss. So we play Lennon out right, Gerrard behind Defoe, tell Defoe to stay up on the last defender and let Gerrard have the free role.

[JackBuddy]

I'm not saying upfront alone, I'm saying with Gerrard behind. Like at Liverpool. Gerrard plays behind a pacey finisher. Gerrard behind Rooney probably wouldn't work. Tactically wise, Rooney has a habit of running back. If he ran back with Gerrard behind him, then two things might happen 1. Gerrard could be awake and overlap on Rooney 2. Gerrard and Rooney end up playing too deep. So it'd be a bit hit and miss. So we play Lennon out right, Gerrard behind Defoe, tell Defoe to stay up on the last defender and let Gerrard have the free role.
My worry then would be that Defoe's link-up play wouldn't really be good enough for it to work effectively. To me, he's a poacher and a finisher and not much more.

[Browney]

I guess, but Torres has benefited from that system and I see him as a similar sort of striker to Defoe. If not, maybe Bent? :D

[JackBuddy]

I guess, but Torres has benefited from that system and I see him as a similar sort of striker to Defoe. If not, maybe Bent? :D
This is England we are talking about....





only joking. In my eyes Defoe and Bent are very similar in that respect. It probably was between those two for the final seat on the plane.

[Browney]

I knew deep in my heart Bent was never going to be good enough. Don't worry about that. :P

[Camy]

No it wasn't racist at all. There's a good chance he is in fact Scottish. On a lot of the forums i've been on you find people supporting countries that aren't there own, and most Scottish people support anyone that beats England. It's a fact really. Nothing racist about it.
Maybe racist wasn't the correct word, but I think the post was meant to piss him off and start an argument.


scottish isnt a race, it is a nationality.
As someone said before, its easier to say a racist comment, rather than a 'nationalist' comment.


Well to be fair, you come on an English forum
Its not an English forum, its a habbo UK forum, not habbo England.

[CHA!NGANG]

With a majority of English people i'm guessing.

[xxMATTGxx]

Not sure if this was posted but:


FIFA president apologizes to England, Mexico, for ref errors that led to World Cup eliminations; reopens debate on goalline technology.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2010/8771294.stm

[JackBuddy]

Not sure if this was posted but:



http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2010/8771294.stm
5 years after this and still no action, unbelievable. Cost Birmingham their place in the FA cup semi final too.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-8dOjeVC80