Videos with swearing

[Calvin]

Hey, scottish (Habbic/Scott) just posted a thread with a video, i'm not sure which one and it got removed for excessive swearing and he gave a warning too. Videos with one swear is fine but some with a few bits of swearing get removed? He put a warning so if a user that doesn't like swearing clicks it then it's their problem, not his as they shouldn't have clicked it and it's not as if it's on auto play either.

I think you should allow videos with excessive swearing but the user HAS TO put a warning before it and put it in a spoiler or they recieve a warning/infraction.

Scott's thread: http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=659753

[scott]

The video had loads of swearing in it, it wasn't just mild swearing it was really inappropriate so I agree the video should have been removed. Any video that contains swearing the user has to put a warning.

[Hecktix]

This is the rule:



A2. Do not post inappropriately ~ Habbox Forum has an audience that includes younger members, and as such all content must be suitable for those members. You must not:


Talk about adult subjects in an explicit manner.
Swear or avoid the forum filter in any way (including by using abbreviations)
Post images, videos or links that with inappropriate content like gore, nudity, obscenity or annoyance.

Mildly inappropriate content (never anything rated 18+) is allowed where sufficient warning is added into the post and the image or link is placed within a spoiler. The final decision on what is or is not inappropriate is at the Moderator's discretionOnly mild inappropriate content is allowed, the video in question here had words which are not allowed on the forum in any circumstances.

In most cases, videos with a few swearwords in are allowed although there are a few words which are not even to be mentioned once, these words are incredibly offensive, not mild and will never be permitted.

We will not allow videos with excessive swearing, and that comes down to the same argument about the Forum Filter, what's the point in the forum filter if we allow excessive swearing in videos with a warning? Just no. Hearing the words is worse than seeing them.

[Sarah]

You have to remember that Habbo's target audience is quite young (meaning most people on this forum are young too). This is one of the main reasons this rule is enforced I believe. Moderate swearing is allowed where a spoiler & warning is allowed - which I think is fair enough personally.

The rules are pretty clear on it too:



A2. Do not post inappropriately ~ Habbox Forum has an audience that includes younger members, and as such all content must be suitable for those members. You must not:


Talk about adult subjects in an explicit manner.
Swear or avoid the forum filter in any way (including by using abbreviations)
Post images, videos or links that with inappropriate content like gore, nudity, obscenity or annoyance.

Mildly inappropriate content (never anything rated 18+) is allowed where sufficient warning is added into the post and the image or link is placed within a spoiler. The final decision on what is or is not inappropriate is at the Moderator's discretion

[Calvin]

The video had loads of swearing in it, it wasn't just mild swearing it was really inappropriate so I agree the video should have been removed. Any video that contains swearing the user has to put a warning.He clearly stated in the thread title it contains swearing though. If the user clicked play then it's their problem.

[scottish]

either allow swearing or dont

if ******* dont wanna see swearing dont visit the ******* thread called 'contains swearing' if they do and cry about swearing then they clearly suffer downs or something...

[Calvin]

It would be like visiting a thread saying 'click here for a virus on your computer'. They enter the thread at their own risk.

[scottish]

the song was the game - 120 bars

for those little girls who cant take swearing, dont ******* search it.

---------- Post added 04-08-2010 at 09:29 PM ----------

Mildly inappropriate content (never anything rated 18+) is allowed where sufficient warning is added into the post and the image or link is placed within a spoiler. The final decision on what is or is not inappropriate is at the Moderator's discretion


Saying the N word or the F word etc isnt 18+?

Most 10 year olds swear now....

[jackass]

When there are disclaimers saying 'contains swearing', this is supposed to inform the user that the video contains mild swearing, and if they watch it to find out that it is very severe and continuous swearing, i'm sure some will be very offended.

That video was not suitable for the general audience of this forum.

[scottish]

erm

if someone cant take swearing then they shouldnt read the contains swearing thread no matter what, otherwise they are just severely ******ed and should be put down the idiots.

[Nemo]

there should be a rule that if u say "warning: severe swearing" then it should be fine.

[Calvin]

We could have a like [swear] tool like the spoiler but has like

WARNING, THIS SPOILER CONTAINS SEVERE SWEARING

[scottish]

any warning should be sufficient

If i don't want to see swearing i'm not going to go on the 'CONTAINS SWEARING' thread then cry and report, because i'm simply not a ******* idiot, unlike some people on this forum evidently..

If i don't mind swearing i would go on it, and as i'm not some 6 year old girl who's going to cry at the big bad words on a video thats said in everyday life and probably 95% of the world has heard swearing so...

Warning = should be fine
Rule = stupid

[Hecktix]

It's generous that we allow mild swearing to be honest considering how we use the filter, once or twice is fine but anymore than that is forbidden and racist or completely inappropriate words are forbidden once or twice.

That's the rule and that's how it'll stay.

[scottish]

habboxforum isnt for 6 year olds you know...

even habbo allows swearing for **** sake and you're a fansite of it so should have less strict rules, not more.. lmao



*****'s signed to G-unit, now they bustin guns
But last week it was: "My ***** Game, what up dun?"
See thats what the **** I mean, you can't trust these rap *******
And you wonder why I always say **** these rap *******
So Imma break it down for MC's and friends
If you don't hear your name, let the beef begin
Ain't got **** against Hov, I like the ***** style
Nas is my *****, I been bangin him for a while
I **** with Fat Joe, he got the streets locked
And thats the same reason I **** with Kiss and D-Block
Place Eminem in the number 3 spot
And Snoop is like my big brother, we both raised by the Doc.

[Hecktix]

As I said Scott, this goes back to the forum filter argument and that's a dead end.

[scottish]

either allow swearing or dont

having 2 words fine then 3 is a warning is just ******* stupid


You can call who you want, I ain't givin back ****
Unless Olivia show the whole world she got a ****
Can't seem to save her life, but she talk a lot of ****
And I want my 10 G's cause Yayo caught a brick
I guess my G-Unot tattoo was a smart move
Cause in the end you lost a 100 Mil. to a cartoon
3 years after you got tatted by cartoon
The beef is over, G-Unit is gonna fall apart soon

[Hecktix]

I'm sure there would be much more criticism if we didn't allow swearing altogether, Sscott :)

[scottish]

then allow it :S dont be a bunch of ******* about it

if someone doesnt want to see a swearing video then they can get the **** out of a 'contains swearing' thread?

[Hecktix]

As I said, that's the whole filter argument which is a dead end so let's not go there eh?

[jackass]

either allow swearing or dont

having 2 words fine then 3 is a warning is just ******* stupid


You can call who you want, I ain't givin back ****
Unless Olivia show the whole world she got a ****
Can't seem to save her life, but she talk a lot of ****
And I want my 10 G's cause Yayo caught a brick
I guess my G-Unot tattoo was a smart move
Cause in the end you lost a 100 Mil. to a cartoon
3 years after you got tatted by cartoon
The beef is over, G-Unit is gonna fall apart soon

It's not necessarily just '3 is a warning'. It all depends on what words are used, in which context, how often and in whatever time period that defines whether or not it is simply mild swearing.

[Nemo]

As I said, that's the whole filter argument which is a dead end so let's not go there eh?
It isnt really the filter arguement, because hes not asking for it to be compeltely left alone where everyone can see it and it makes the forum look bad and wouldn't be nice for young children, because well, for start its in a video so it doesnt make the forum look any worse with constant swearing, it isnt rude since its in the video, and it has an appropriate warning for children. WIN WIN WIN.

[scottish]

it's not the filter argument

you currently allow swearing in videos, so either fully allow it, or don't

allowing 2 words then warning on 3rd is just ******* stupid..

[Hecktix]

The condition is not strictly "2 words" I used that as an example to demonstrate the difference between moderate swearing and excessive swearing.

Moderate, mild swearing is allowed - that's the way it's always been and the way it always will be.

[Matthew]

whats that 3rd extra swear word gonna do if you've heard two already :S

edit; seen above post

[Nemo]

The condition is not strictly "2 words" I used that as an example to demonstrate the difference between moderate swearing and excessive swearing.

Moderate, mild swearing is allowed - that's the way it's always been and the way it always will be.
Ignore ma post then explaining why it should be moar!

[Calvin]

Are you allowed to link it then? Like a hyperlink.

[scottish]

Well its ******* stupid

[Hecktix]

Ignore ma post then explaining why it should be moar!

In that case then we should allow all swearing as long as it's got warnings? Just no, the rules are fine as they are and 90% of users follow them without any problems.

[scottish]

through videos yes

if you hear a swearing word several times its not going to make a dif if you hear it another 40 times? lol............

[Nemo]

In that case then we should allow all swearing as long as it's got warnings? Just no, the rules are fine as they are and 90% of users follow them without any problems.
through videos yes as scott said. I honestly see no problem with it. As long as no one is insulted by it, it shouldn't be an issue (Eg. N word).

[scottish]

hes black so hes allowed to use the N word init

[Minstrels]

lol well my thread in spams still there... and that had to be approved by a moderator before it showed up in spam!

[Hecktix]

through videos yes as scott said. I honestly see no problem with it. As long as no one is insulted by it, it shouldn't be an issue (Eg. N word).

We allow mild or moderate swearing, i.e. not masses of swearing and no words such as the N word or C word at all. The rules are fine currently like that :P

[scottish]

why isnt **** allowed?

and as i sed hes black so allowed to say ******

[Nemo]

We allow mild or moderate swearing, i.e. not masses of swearing and no words such as the N word or C word at all. The rules are fine currently like that :P
But thats what im saying, any kind if swearing should be allowed as long as there's a warning, and was just saying that the only things that shouldnt be allowed are offensive words (well obviously). They might be fine before, but every time a perfectly harmlesss video comes up with some swearing in, this discussion will be repeated over n over n over n over again.

[Hecktix]

why isnt **** allowed?

and as i sed hes black so allowed to say ******

The N word is not allowed full stop, I'm not sure what the first word you said is.

[Hecktix]

But thats what im saying, any kind if swearing should be allowed as long as there's a warning, and was just saying that the only things that shouldnt be allowed are offensive words (well obviously). They might be fine before, but every time a perfectly harmlesss video comes up with some swearing in, this discussion will be repeated over n over n over n over again.

Niamh, I assure you only videos with excessive swearing get removed. Excessive swearing is not harmless, especially to those users of 11/12 - with or without warning. You know Habbox's Policy on swearing and that will not be changing.

[Nemo]

Niamh, I assure you only videos with excessive swearing get removed. You know Habbox's Policy on swearing and that will not be changing.
Perhaps clarifying what excessive is clearly (without going ott) should be put in the new FAQ, unless i missed it in the current then, coz i'd have no idea.


also, double posting, reportin u

[xxMATTGxx]

This reminds me of when the filter got changed some months back and re-applied again due to someone being punished for it. Anyway; we will not allow swearing full stop, there is no need and has been expressed too many times and it is not up for discussion. In the regards of videos; there is no need to post videos full of bad language at all. The odd word or mid language is suitable but other stuff there is no need and it isn't permitted. Even if the forum is not full of six year olds, there is still no actual reason for content to be posted on HabboxForum fully complete of inappropriate language.

[Minstrels]

This reminds me of when the filter got changed some months back and re-applied again due to someone being punished for it. Anyway; we will not allow swearing full stop, there is no need and has been expressed too many times and it is not up for discussion. In the regards of videos; there is no need to post videos full of bad language at all. The odd word or mid language is suitable but other stuff there is no need and it isn't permitted. Even if the forum is not full of six year olds, there is still no actual reason for content to be posted on HabboxForum fully complete of inappropriate language.
How old is that Gibbs person?

[Hecktix]

Perhaps clarifying what excessive is clearly (without going ott) should be put in the new FAQ, unless i missed it in the current then, coz i'd have no idea.


also, double posting, reportin u

Well that's the mergers fault for not merging ;l

As it says in the rules what's mild and what's excessive will be covered by the moderator although it's pretty obvious, if you listen to a video for 1 min and you hear say the F word multiple times, that's excessive. I'm not gonna say X number is excessive cause it's not, it all depends on the video.

[Nemo]

Mmmmmmmmh k. Ive never been too sure about moderator discretion (especiallyw ith some of the moderators), but alright.

[xxMATTGxx]

How old is that Gibbs person?

What has that got to do with anything? :S

[Hecktix]

Mmmmmmmmh k. Ive never been too sure about moderator discression (especiallyw ith some of the moderators), but alright.

Well as you know, if there are problems my inbox is always open ;)

[Minstrels]

What has that got to do with anything? :S
Nothing, I was just wondering how old he was. May I suggest we go back on topic?

[Nemo]

Well as you know, if there are problems my inbox is always open ;)
Aha true. But if you mean that i could ask you if a video is alright, and then post it, i've done that before (but with garion) and it was taken down by another mod. This is why i dont like it D: (even though i didnt get any form of punishment)

[scottish]

i'm not saying enable swearing on the forum as that would only cause more arguments etc

but through videos its not harmless.... Videos aren't directed at YOU so if someone says ***** or something its not going to personally offend you

Saying **** a few times, or 50 times it makes no difference as it has already been said....

and this is 2010... at 10 yr old ppl smoke and drink never mind swearing, get wit the times son

[Casanova]

I think that swearing on the forum should be allowed, ie - in the right context. I believe severe words such as the insultive black one etc should be filtered. I don't think a filter is extremely nessessary ie - to the excess hxf used to have it. But with the odd exception as i stated.

I think maybe habbox should do a survey to see the majority age of user on their main site and then on their forum. I think that video's no matter what context (except illegal) should be allowed in a spoiler. But only an appropriate warning, like the thing you have on trading (buying - selling).

Habbox has a mostly 13-21 population. I don't know anyone under that age on this forum.


*hops off soapbox*

[Hecktix]

Aha true. But if you mean that i could ask you if a video is alright, and then post it, i've done that before (but with garion) and it was taken down by another mod. This is why i dont like it D: (even though i didnt get any form of punishment)

then I would put the mod right if you sent me a PM :P


i'm not saying enable swearing on the forum as that would only cause more arguments etc

but through videos its not harmless.... Videos aren't directed at YOU so if someone says ***** or something its not going to personally offend you

Saying **** a few times, or 50 times it makes no difference as it has already been said....

and this is 2010... at 10 yr old ppl smoke and drink never mind swearing, get wit the times son

Scott the difference is with saying it once and saying it 50 times - that's a lot, a parent may not mind their child hearing the word once but to find them listening to a video with the word excessively, they may feel differently.

[scottish]

Then the ******* idiot shouldn't view the swearing video in the first place?

[.Devilish..]

I definatly think this should be removed, it had no warning to say that there was excessive swearing in it.

[Catzsy]

I think the point is this is a habbo fansite which caters for all ages. The rules have got more lenient over the last year but it seems it's not good enough for a few members. The videos even with mild swearing would not be allowed to be broadcasted on Radio or Television so why is such a fuss made about it on here? I personally feel the balance is fine and we do have a lot of younger members.

[scottish]

I think the point is this is a habbo fansite which caters for all ages. The rules have got more lenient over the last year but it seems it's not good enough for a few members. The videos even with mild swearing would not be allowed to be broadcasted on Radio or Television so why is such a fuss made about it on here? I personally feel the balance is fine and we do have a lot of younger members.

Even young members swear, where have you been for the last 15 years

Last time i checked hxf isnt broadcasted to thousands or millions of viewers so yeh its kind of a difference...

[Nemo]

I think the point is this is a habbo fansite which caters for all ages. The rules have got more lenient over the last year but it seems it's not good enough for a few members. The videos even with mild swearing would not be allowed to be broadcasted on Radio or Television so why is such a fuss made about it on here? I personally feel the balance is fine and we do have a lot of younger members.
Can't use habbo fansite since habbo allows swearing tbh. We're not asking for a complete unfilter though

Even young members swear, where have you been for the last 15 years

Last time i checked hxf isnt broadcasted to thousands or millions of viewers so yeh its kind of a difference...
Also it has a warning on it before you watch it, unlike TV where u might go on it by accident and then hear all sorts of things.

[Richie]

I wish swearing was allowed in vids :( it should be allowed if u put the link because that way it doesn't deface habbox or w/e

[Nemo]

I wish swearing was allowed in vids :( it should be allowed if u put the link because that way it doesn't deface habbox or w/e
Well it is allowed, just not loads. but still.

[Circadia]

Well i think if they put a warning and its put in a spoiler it shouldn't really matter if anyone doesn't wanna hear it then you simple dont click the spoiler/ thread and watch it

[Konkz]

I think the video link shall be put in spoiler
Then when you open spoiler in big writing it says " Swearing Video "

Which then will NOT be on hxforum and you won't be then breaking rules.

[scottish]

the thread name was 'contains swearing'

so its a big obvious the content of the video is gna b swearing

this is just racist coz all music i listen to says the n w0rd

[FlyingJesus]

Considering some swearing is tolerated in videos with the warning spoiler, I don't see why the N word should be noted as one which can never be posted. It makes sense in a way if it's a Lil Jon song with him just shouting I AIN'T SCARED OF NO ****** over and over for 3 minutes but disallowing it on grounds of racism is ridiculous, considering it's almost never used in a racist way. Most videos I've posted have the N word because that's the sort of music I listen to, and I can't see a problem with that. There is a difference between Nas' "be a ****** too" which is about equality/love and a video of some fat old man screaming about how he hates negro folk.

[scottish]

Yeh most like rap songs are from black people (well good rap) and they often use the N word, obviously they're not using it in an insulting manner as they're black themself...

Also no-one on the forum is going to take offence of a rapper using the N word anyways

If eminem or something said

contains racism
honky or cracker

you're not going to take offence because he is white, so he's hardly gonna insult white people :S

Also people realise its a mother******* song not aimed at the specific person so..

[Catzsy]

Even young members swear, where have you been for the last 15 years

Last time i checked hxf isnt broadcasted to thousands or millions of viewers so yeh its kind of a difference...

No its isn't - just because some young members swear doesn't mean that it should be allowed as the majority of them don't even use the filter on here. What are the advantages of being allowed it? Mild swearing is allowed so what's wrong with that?



Can't use habbo fansite since habbo allows swearing tbh. We're not asking for a complete unfilter though

Also it has a warning on it before you watch it, unlike TV where u might go on it by accident and then hear all sorts of things.

Habbo is difference it is transient there is no permanent record - the rules are pretty lenient here anyway and allow mild swearing and acronymns. How far should it go?

[Nemo]

No its isn't - just because some young members swear doesn't mean that it should be allowed as the majority of them don't even use the filter on here. What are the advantages of being allowed it? Mild swearing is allowed so what's wrong with that?




Habbo is difference it is transient there is no permanent record - the rules are pretty lenient here anyway and allow mild swearing and acronymns. How far should it go?
Advantages? Well we dont keep getting threads like this, people can post what they want. Etc.

Yeah they're lenient, but they can be better. Cant just say "oh its good enough, no need to change anything else" thats just rather lazy

[scottish]

Please quote why the **** you're talking about the filter

This thread is about VIDEOS, **** all to do with the filter? at no point in this thread was it the idea to remove or reduce the filter. 'Video' is even in the thread title for **** sake

[Hecktix]

You've had our say, it's not going to change guys, Niamh it's fair enough saying it stops threads like this, but they happen very rarely as most people are quite happy with the rules...

[scottish]

who needs to listen to user suggestions eh

[danzooo]

Look, it's not difficult to decipher which videos are appropriate for a forum like this and what aren't. A Lil Jon song with the F word in every line is obviously totally unacceptable and shouldn't be posted at all, but something like a clip from The Mighty Boosh or Little Britain or something where only one or two swearwords in it is fine as long as it contains an appropriate warning.

It's not difficult to follow an etiquette like that and like Oli said, a vast majority of the users of this forum have managed it so far, so I don't see what all the fuss is about :S

[scottish]

Look, it's not difficult to decipher which videos are appropriate for a forum like this and what aren't. A Lil Jon song with the F word in every line is obviously totally unacceptable and shouldn't be posted at all, but something like a clip from The Mighty Boosh or Little Britain or something where only one or two swearwords in it is fine as long as it contains an appropriate warning.

It's not difficult to follow an etiquette like that and like Oli said, a vast majority of the users of this forum have managed it so far, so I don't see what all the fuss is about :S

dont reply if ur not even gna read the thread -rep

[danzooo]

dont reply if ur not even gna read the thread -rep


in what way was what i said unrelated to the topic of the thread?

[scottish]

the fact the last few pages has discussed how we think you should be able to say ***** (n word) in videos and such and nothin to do with how **** specific moderators r

[Hecktix]

the fact the last few pages has discussed how we think you should be able to say ***** (n word) in videos and such and nothin to do with how **** specific moderators r

You know, with that attitude you'll get far in life. This thread was never about how "**** specific moderators are" as generally Habbox Forum Moderators can do their jobs.

Obvious use of the N word is not allowed in videos, just as obvious use of the C word isn't.

[scottish]

gutted my attitude on a forum is bad woteva will i do pls help

Also why not, the videos are not aimed at people unless they are a diss in which case i highly doubt some celebrity is going to come on habboxforum lol... the N word is not used as a derogatory term, it's simply how they speak, a black man calling a black man a ****** is not racist

like if i were to call you a

contains swearin *REMOVED*
honky or cracker

you wouldn't find it rude, they also aren't filtered lol.. because i'm white i'm obviously not gonna use a white racial slur to be racist to you am i? obviously not......

The fact most rap videos have the term ****** in it, it's not rude its not racist it's simply how they speak.

Edited by Oli (Forum Manager): Please don't be rude to other forum members.

[Hecktix]

The word has never been allowed at HabboxForum and in all honesty I don't even know why I am replying to you, all you are doing is being rude.

Oh and in relation to those two words, I've never actually heard them before in my life :S

[scottish]

Both are common racial slurs used against a white person so yeh...

The N word isnt rude when its used in rap and such so its pointless banning it.

[HotelUser]

Both are common racial slurs used against a white person so yeh...

The N word isnt rude when its used in rap and such so its pointless banning it.

It's still considerably rude and inappropriate for the general population around these parts of the world wide web.

[Hecktix]

Both are common racial slurs used against a white person so yeh...

The N word isnt rude when its used in rap and such so its pointless banning it.

It is a word considered too rude for HabboxForum therefore it's banned, simple. We're going round and round in circles here, I've said it, MattGarner's said it too, many times - it is not allowed.

[scottish]

I find honky and cracker very offensive

I'm sure if a black member came and said they found ****** offensive before it was filtered it would be filtered

So you're now being racist to me because i'm white, nice to know.

Also because you said it's not allowed doesn't forbid me from posting my argument for it and why your decision is stupid.

[Catzsy]

I find honky and cracker very offensive

I'm sure if a black member came and said they found ****** offensive before it was filtered it would be filtered

So you're now being racist to me because i'm white, nice to know.

Also because you said it's not allowed doesn't forbid me from posting my argument for it and why your decision is stupid.


I can see where you are coming from but when have those words been used? I can't remember anywhere. If somebody said that to you you could report it as rude and I am sure it would be dealt with. Whilst it seems acceptable for blacks to call each other the N word it is universally condemned for any other race to do it. That is a fact of life. It is no different for somebody from Pakistan being called the shortened version - it is considered very offensive. If exceptions are made for music videos it is all going to get very complicated so a blanket ban is probably best.

[Hecktix]

I find honky and cracker very offensive

I'm sure if a black member came and said they found ****** offensive before it was filtered it would be filtered

So you're now being racist to me because i'm white, nice to know.

Also because you said it's not allowed doesn't forbid me from posting my argument for it and why your decision is stupid.

As Catzsy and HotelUser have explained, the decision isn't stupid.

If you find those words offensive Scott then you could suggest that we filter them, although I had never heard of them before!

[HotelUser]

I find honky and cracker very offensive

I'm sure if a black member came and said they found ****** offensive before it was filtered it would be filtered

So you're now being racist to me because i'm white, nice to know.

Also because you said it's not allowed doesn't forbid me from posting my argument for it and why your decision is stupid.

The history surrounding what you'd consider derogatory terms directed toward caucasian users are somewhat (and by somewhat I mean massively so) more for the faint of heart compared to the history of such terms used to offend their african descendent counterparts.

[scottish]

i would comment about you and hoteluser but lets not go down that road

"filter them"

theres my suggestion