CAMERON MILK SNATCHER

[Jordy]

Thought this was pretty amusing to be honest, Tories getting into power and cutting the milk already. Even today people still carry on about "Thatcher, Thatcher, Milk Snatcher" when she took a similar move after coming into government. As for my opinion on it, if there's no real health benefits then it may as well be cut, will make a sizeable saving too.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10904958


The government is considering cutting a UK-wide scheme offering free milk to under-five-year-olds in nursery or daycare, the BBC has learned. UK health minister Anne Milton set out the proposals in a letter to Scottish public health minister Shona Robison.

She said there was no evidence the scheme improved health and it was too expensive to run.

Instead, the government was considering increasing the value of Healthy Start vouchers for the poorest families.

[Dean]

"She said there was no evidence the scheme improved health and it was too expensive to run."

I thought Milk was nutritious? The Government try and get teenagers and kids to be more healthy but end up cutting milk for under-five-year-olds? :l

I support Labour so I don't agree with cutting milk.

[Jordy]

No doubt Milk does have nutrients in it but they're saying it doesn't improve you're health in the long term and therefore isn't cost effective, not that milk isn't healthy.

It's not going ahead anyway;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10904958

[Catzsy]

Well I guess they might as well as they have cut 700 school refurbishment schemes so they can get used to being
deprived and having to study in delapidated buildings from an early age! :P

[-:Undertaker:-]

"She said there was no evidence the scheme improved health and it was too expensive to run."

I thought Milk was nutritious? The Government try and get teenagers and kids to be more healthy but end up cutting milk for under-five-year-olds? :l

I support Labour so I don't agree with cutting milk.

You don't agree with cutting milk because you support Labour? in other words, you don't actually have a problem with milk being cut but do because its the blue party and not the red party cutting the milk. Talk about tribalism. :P


Well I guess they might as well as they have cut 700 school refurbishment schemes so they can get used to being
deprived and having to study in delapidated buildings from an early age! :P

Well we have Labour to thank for that!

In regards to this thread though which is some government-food related history i'll bring in because some might find it interesting. Most people don't realise but back in 1945 and afterwards, this country was still on rations when most of Europe and the world was back to normal food production/exchange - at the same time Prime Minister Atlee was giving away millions to Germany (in aid and part of the Marshall Plan) afterwards which was ironic in a way, because Germany then overtook Great Britain in a number of fields and Britains decline wasn't reversed until the 1980s.

[Nixt]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10904958

Not happening!

[Alkaz]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10904958

Not happening!
And so it shouldn't. I used to love my milk :D

[Jordy]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10904958

Not happening!already been posted

[Nixt]

already been posted

Oh yeah my bad :)

[MrPinkPanther]

YIn regards to this thread though which is some government-food related history i'll bring in because some might find it interesting. Most people don't realise but back in 1945 and afterwards, this country was still on rations when most of Europe and the world was back to normal food production/exchange - at the same time Prime Minister Atlee was giving away millions to Germany (in aid and part of the Marshall Plan) afterwards which was ironic in a way, because Germany then overtook Great Britain in a number of fields and Britains decline wasn't reversed until the 1980s.
Germany overtook Britain not because of the relatively small amount of aid that we gave to them but because of the European Economic Community, which gave significant growth to all of the 6 founding states, and the decline of British empire. Britain's decline had little to do with the amount of aid we were giving to Germany. In fact you've said "as part of the Marshall Plan" which isn't true at all. The Marshall Plan was an American based scheme (which we didn't contribute to) to give money to the whole of Europe, not just Germany, in order to stop the spread of Communism. We actually received vast amounts of money from the Marshall Plan, not the other way around.

[Catzsy]

You don't agree with cutting milk because you support Labour? in other words, you don't actually have a problem with milk being cut but do because its the blue party and not the red party cutting the milk. Talk about tribalism. :P



Well we have Labour to thank for that!

In regards to this thread though which is some government-food related history i'll bring in because some might find it interesting. Most people don't realise but back in 1945 and afterwards, this country was still on rations when most of Europe and the world was back to normal food production/exchange - at the same time Prime Minister Atlee was giving away millions to Germany (in aid and part of the Marshall Plan) afterwards which was ironic in a way, because Germany then overtook Great Britain in a number of fields and Britains decline wasn't reversed until the 1980s.

Labour would not have cut it - full stop. Well considering it was Labour's plan to refurbish them how can it be their fault? It is the co-alition Goverment who has decided to change their priorities and please don't say that it was okay before they came in because a lot of the schools haven't been improved for decades under previous labour and tory administration. We do not know yet whether this government has made the right choices this will not be apparent for a year or even maybe two however I do predict lots more unemployment in both the public and private sector, loads of strikes, civil unrest to come. I bet your bottom dollar that the new elitist 75 acadamies will their funding approved in the autumn spending review. If I am wrong in this I will admit it but the future looks pretty bleak at the moment.

[Lycan]

Very bleak, I imagine the schools that do not choose to become an academy will have to make redundancies soon, and those who do choose academy status will be in the same state in a few years time. From all the Unison leaflets and information pages that keep going in my pigeon hole, it seems they oppose them.

I'm envious of all the new technological items that academy are buying into, The new academy in this area which becomes active Sept has already bought in 1000 Ipads to have with interactive learning!


On terms of Milk, I would of thought a source of calcium at that age for free would be fantastic and perhaps even start a trend so the Kid still regularly drinks milk after 5!

[-:Undertaker:-]

Germany overtook Britain not because of the relatively small amount of aid that we gave to them but because of the European Economic Community, which gave significant growth to all of the 6 founding states, and the decline of British empire. Britain's decline had little to do with the amount of aid we were giving to Germany. In fact you've said "as part of the Marshall Plan" which isn't true at all. The Marshall Plan was an American based scheme (which we didn't contribute to) to give money to the whole of Europe, not just Germany, in order to stop the spread of Communism. We actually received vast amounts of money from the Marshall Plan, not the other way around.

Germany overtook because of that and because of the aid they recieved - far bigger amounts than that of Britain which also had to continue arming because of the Cold War. To add to that we also had to repay loans back to the United States whereas Germany and others were free of that burden - infact it is also due to socialism that we declined and has nothing or little to do with the European Economic Community - our Empire had been in decline since the late 1890s due to nationalisation and our decline continued under Atlee because of the expensive schemes (agree with them or not) of the National Health Service which were funded by money we did not have at the time, not to mention the fact we were still giving money ourselves to the rest of Europe. To add to that again, the nationalisation continued under Atlee post-war - something we could not afford especially after decolonialisation and the war.

We didn't contribute to the Marshall Plan no, but it was part of the same idea; plough money in to stop the spread of socialism to western Europe much to the disadvantage of our own people when in reality we ourselves were suffering from mild socialism which lasted until the 1980s.


Labour would not have cut it - full stop. Well considering it was Labour's plan to refurbish them how can it be their fault? It is the co-alition Goverment who has decided to change their priorities and please don't say that it was okay before they came in because a lot of the schools haven't been improved for decades under previous labour and tory administration. We do not know yet whether this government has made the right choices this will not be apparent for a year or even maybe two however I do predict lots more unemployment in both the public and private sector, loads of strikes, civil unrest to come. I bet your bottom dollar that the new elitist 75 acadamies will their funding approved in the autumn spending review. If I am wrong in this I will admit it but the future looks pretty bleak at the moment.

If Labour would not cut the debt (as they did not in the 1970s) then we would end up bankrupt - simple as that. It is the fault of Labour because they spent and wasted away the money that could have been used to refurbish schools and money which is now going to have to be spent on paying back debt interest (we spend more on debt interest now as we do on the entire military/education budget is one figure I have heard).

I predict many strikes also, because the Unions and Labour have a history of socialist militantism in which they do not understand that they have spend all of our money - if you are in debt you cut back. I would agree in some ways with you, why should the coalition cut back schools when our EU budget and foreign aid budgets are increasing? - I am in agreement on that part in cuts. We need cuts though, even deeper ones than are being predicted at the moment because we are nowhere near cutting back the debt, only the deficiet.

[dbgtz]

I think they're choosing the wrong things to change and generally are choosing the wrong things. For example instead of cutting refurbishments to schools completely they could just change how we do schools and, as my teacher says, do a frenchie where we pay for our books. Obviously that would bring problems, but then so is this to some degree. Or maybe cut useless roadworks? :P It is a give and take situation but they're not giving anything, just taking and taking the things we need not the things we dont, along with more money when the VAT increase comes. Speaking of that, I assume its temporary?

[Jordy]

I think they're choosing the wrong things to change and generally are choosing the wrong things. For example instead of cutting refurbishments to schools completely they could just change how we do schools and, as my teacher says, do a frenchie where we pay for our books. Obviously that would bring problems, but then so is this to some degree. Or maybe cut useless roadworks? :P It is a give and take situation but they're not giving anything, just taking and taking the things we need not the things we dont, along with more money when the VAT increase comes. Speaking of that, I assume its temporary?The VAT rise is permanant this time I believe. Paying for books is a bad idea, the people who aren't interested in education (or their parents) wouldn't buy books and they'd just disrupt the class or get them for free while everyone else pays. As for road works, they're often down to utility companies and many major road projects have been cancelled as part of the cuts anyway.

[Nemo]

Atleast they decided to not go ahead with it, i used to love my milk

[MrPinkPanther]

Atleast they decided to not go ahead with it, i used to love my milk

I love your "milk" too.

[GommeInc]

Twas a stupid system then as it is now. We had milk at school and it was pointless and a waste of money on the government / school. There are no major benefits, so you might as well give the little blighters water. It's a novelty thing really :/

[alexxxxx]

it was mostly a symbolic move from cameron to try and distance these cuts to the ones in the 80s.

[Rapidshare]

Milk is not even that good for you anyways, good thing.

Makes young mothers not have babies.

[Dean]

It's only milk anyway, I'm sure milk isn't going to bankrupt the country because five year olds are drinking it? :s

[Jordy]

It's only milk anyway, I'm sure milk isn't going to bankrupt the country because five year olds are drinking it? :s£50m is a sizable part of the budget, especially as the scientists are saying it offers no real benefits.

Also, Labour cut the milk for the 11-18 Year Olds in the 1960s and failed to reimplement it for primary schools during their time in government despite crying about Thatcher cutting it. I'd get rid of all free milk and be done with it.