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[Richie]

I'm sick of competitions that make habbox look popular but it really is just spam.

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=668570&p=6756596#post6756596 competitions like this are just ******ed, when oli was manager I remember there was a big discussion about competitions and pointless posts and I'm pretty sure it wasn't gonna happen again.


The forums gonna look popular but only because people are gonna be spamming it with pointless crap.

[FlyingJesus]

I quite agree, and oddly enough the very person who suggested the competiton just PMd me warning me about "pointless posting" when I answered a thread question

[Inseriousity.]

I agree but for a different reason.
From previous posting competitions, it always felt like Oli wasn't really pleased with the end result (felt like, I didn't ask him :p) as it was really only a couple of people who really went for it (saurav and naughtynemo the first time, muct and samlouise - who both got disqualified lol - during the hxss one) and others who either gave up or posted as normal.

[Dray,]

You have a point here and i think they need to think about it but i guess they though that it would be best to keep the forum active :) Also got to see it through their point of view

[wixard]

to be honest richie you're turning into saurav

[Richie]

to be honest richie you're turning into saurav


I am saurav...

[Jamesy]

I agree but for a different reason.
From previous posting competitions, it always felt like Oli wasn't really pleased with the end result (felt like, I didn't ask him :p) as it was really only a couple of people who really went for it (saurav and naughtynemo the first time, muct and samlouise - who both got disqualified lol - during the hxss one) and others who either gave up or posted as normal.

I'm hoping this will just turn into a passive thing, much like MOTM is. People who post a lot of good posts forum wide will get rewarded. Pointless posts and spam will get picked up on and discounted. We're not encouraging spam, we just feel its a good way to reward the members who post over the entire month. The people who are currently in the lead aren't even people you would expect to be there.

[Calvin]

I'm hoping this will just turn into a passive thing, much like MOTM is. People who post a lot of good posts forum wide will get rewarded. Pointless posts and spam will get picked up on and discounted. We're not encouraging spam, we just feel its a good way to reward the members who post over the entire month. The people who are currently in the lead aren't even people you would expect to be there.However most won't really be considered as spam, the users that participate always post on topic but the post just makes no sense and doesn't help.

Will this replace MOTM completely or will MOTM still be running? Also if you don't mind me asking, how were the winners of MOTM chosen?

[Neversoft]

Who cares. If it gets people involved and posting around the forum I see no problem with it.

[Jamesy]

However most won't really be considered as spam, the users that participate always post on topic but the post just makes no sense and doesn't help.

Will this replace MOTM completely or will MOTM still be running?

It's an extra category within the MOTM scheme :).

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Noticed your edit. MOTM are nominated by the Moderators of the section, super moderators can pitch ideas too as can management.

[Samantha]

However most won't really be considered as spam, the users that participate always post on topic but the post just makes no sense and doesn't help.

Will this replace MOTM completely or will MOTM still be running? Also if you don't mind me asking, how were the winners of MOTM chosen?


I wanted to know this, but really I knew the answer from an old fansite from where I was MOTM.

Anyway, I like the idea of a posting competition, but will it really proves who posts the most? As people woud just post as they know they could win VIP for it. It would have been better not to tell people, and just annunce it at the end of the month. Of course the next month would then be spammed, I guess there is no loop hole.

And you say, you are discounting posts, wouldn't that be time consuming? Shoudn't you be running the forum, not countng posts?

[Jamesy]

And you say, you are discounting posts, wouldn't that be time consuming? Shoudn't you be running the forum, not countng posts?

I've written a script that does it for me. It's then not time consuming to then look back over the months usernotes for anything pointless from the top few.

[scottish]

tbh looking at this competition makes me think hxf is failing and management needs to practically beg users to post

[Tintinnabulate]

I don't see the point in putting "Note: Posts will not be counted in forums with post count disabled" in small :S :S

Anyway, Oli tried it once, it worked. He took the risk and tried it again and it failed badly. Useless competition really.

[Mathew]

I agree but for a different reason.
From previous posting competitions, it always felt like Oli wasn't really pleased with the end result (felt like, I didn't ask him :p) as it was really only a couple of people who really went for it (saurav and naughtynemo the first time, muct and samlouise - who both got disqualified lol - during the hxss one) and others who either gave up or posted as normal.
I had this feeling too.

Here are the results for the posting competition which are somewhat shameful!!!
It's worded in such a way that it's seemingly the members' fault that the competition failed; which I did find rather ignorant.

Still, I don't think this is a competition as such.. just a way to reward the top poster each month. I, for one, won't be posting any more than I usually do, but I know if I was a frequent poster I'd like to be rewarded for it.

[Tintinnabulate]

I had this feeling too.

It's worded in such a way that it's seemingly the members' fault that the competition failed; which I did find rather ignorant.

Still, I don't think this is a competition as such.. just a way to reward the top poster each month. I, for one, won't be posting any more than I usually do, but I know if I was a frequent poster I'd like to be rewarded for it.

Yeah it was actually his shameful competition.

Its actually the posting competition which has made me stop posting. I tried to win it and posted so much that I just got bored. Now I make what? 1-2 posts a day ...

[Mathew]

Yeah it was actually his shameful competition.

Its actually the posting competition which has made me stop posting. I tried to win it and posted so much that I just got bored. Now I make what? 1-2 posts a day ...
I'm not really too bothered about winning the monthly one, but I wouldn't mind the "Habbox God" golden username. Problem is - there's no threads to reply to.

Dare I say we need immense back to create some pointless discussions? :P

[Apple]

I don't like to call it a competition as people enter competitions to win. That would mean people are posting around the forum a lot to win when that really isn't what the system is there for. The idea is that it will slot in with the Member of the Month announcement to reward dedicated users of the forum. It's inevitable that for the first couple of months we will get people going out of their way to post but as time goes by we should soon start to see people winning that haven't gone out of their way over the month to post, but have actually just posted quite normally. I think it's safe to say that it is these people we want to see getting recognised and rewarded for their great dedication to HxF.

[Nixt]

I don't like to call it a competition as people enter competitions to win. That would mean people are posting around the forum a lot to win when that really isn't what the system is there for. The idea is that it will slot in with the Member of the Month announcement to reward dedicated users of the forum. It's inevitable that for the first couple of months we will get people going out of their way to post but as time goes by we should soon start to see people winning that haven't gone out of their way over the month to post, but have actually just posted quite normally. I think it's safe to say that it is these people we want to see getting recognised and rewarded for their great dedication to HxF.

I think Apple sums it up here really. Initially it is obvious that people will attempt to post loads in order to win the prize but these individuals will be carefully monitored to ensure that their posts provide at least some substance and don't consistently post in the "What are you listening to" thread (or similiar). However, after a couple of months (or potentially even before, given that you are all so resigned to not bothering with it) it will merely be used as a method to recognise those who post regularly and constructively across the forum.

We're not at all "desperate" for people to post, but I'm not going to pretend that we don't like it when people post more often. Wouldn't anyone when they are trying to run a forum?! I assume anyone with any sense of ambition would. So no, we're not desperate, but we are keen to offer members incentives to post regularly and constructively so as to improve overall contribution to the forum and the discussion it offers. I don't see any harm in that?

[scottish]

it will merely be used as a method to recognise those who post regularly and constructively across the forum.

isnt that what motm is

[Nixt]

it will merely be used as a method to recognise those who post regularly and constructively across the forum.

isnt that what motm is

Exactly, which is why it is being implemented as another category for Member of the Month for someone who posts a considerable amount across all categories constructively.

[scottish]

'posting competition' is most posts = win

nothin to do with constructiveness as thats the point in motm in the first place? :S

so now what your saying is this is basically a copy of motm? :S as motm i believe is good quality and quantity posts

[Nixt]

'posting competition' is most posts = win

nothin to do with constructiveness as thats the point in motm in the first place? :S

so now what your saying is this is basically a copy of motm? :S as motm i believe is good quality and quantity posts

Most posts = win - providing those posts are of a good quality and not restricted to threads such as "what are you listening to" and "what are you eating" etc etc. It's to recognise the highest poster, yes, but within the confines of the member of the month criteria. So we may well choose the 15th top poster rather than the first. It is about the highest poster, but it doesn't mean getting those posts are easy.

[scottish]

so what difference is this 2 motm ;s

i hardly use the forum so idk wtf it is but from wot i see

MOTM - Good quality posts and alot of them
Posting Comp - Good quantity of posts and constructive

MOTM = Posting comp

so theres 2 the same?

[marriott0.01]

To be honest you can try all these gimmicks you like, I see like 80 people online at one time, and hardly anyone posting. Staff are useless when it comes to posting, and it's not changing. Granted a lot of staff do post, but they like to stay couped up in their little staff forums. The worst culprits for this is HabboxLive Staff. I'm not taking a dig at them, and I know their job doesn't involve the Forum, but what it does involve is the community. So when you get all these new DJ's who have only just joined the Forum because they wanted the job but decided they weren't going to post around the Forum it's not really engaging with the community.

Stop with the gimmicks and sort out the staff that don't post. People who are online must be doing something so why the HELL aren't they posting?! It's a ******* joke. This is just a pointless way of rewarding people who don't want to post to post. If you're going to get people to post and to "look more popular" force the staff which will get the Forum more active and then people outside the Staff will be more inclined to engage in discussion.

Apologies to the staff that do post often and this isn't aimed at you, it's aimed at the staff who sit for hours on end Online but doing **** all.

[FlyingJesus]

MOTM was always a posting comp anyway if you look through half the old winners, but yeah saying it's a posting competition where the highest poster might not win because someone else has better posts is exactly the same as what MOTM is meant to be

[Nixt]

Sorry you appear to be getting confused, probably because I have had a few to drink and I am not explaining it correctly. Fundamentally, it is about who posts the most, but what I am saying is that it's not about someone who posts 1,000 times a month in "What are you listening to", rather the person who posts 400 times a month across several forums with substance and meaning. If you like, it's the crème de la crème of MOTM - the person who posts more than anyone else, across several (rather than just one) category, constructively (or at least not pointlessly - and that's the key issue here).

Basically what I am saying is it won't reward pointless posts.

[marriott0.01]

Sorry you appear to be getting confused, probably because I have had a few to drink and I am not explaining it correctly. Fundamentally, it is about who posts the most, but what I am saying is that it's not about someone who posts 1,000 times a month in "What are you listening to", rather the person who posts 400 times a month across several forums with substance and meaning. If you like, it's the crème de la crème of MOTM - the person who posts more than anyone else, across several (rather than just one) category, constructively (or at least not pointlessly - and that's the key issue here).

Basically what I am saying is it won't reward pointless posts.

I never commented on that, my comment was valid, why ignore it EH?! :(

[GommeInc]

Not a good idea to publically announce posts as a form of getting MOTM... It should of been done behind the scenes, and have it so it isn't a primary way to get it :P

[FlyingJesus]

Forum rule definition of pointless is somewhat different to what may actually be useless to the thread. I got a PM earlier about an apparently pointless post which had been deemed so because it only had 2 words - this was regardless of the fact that I had in those two words said all that was asked of me in the thread, and although others had written a few more words, none had given "reasons" and so the entire thread should have been in forum terms pointless.

Going the other way, there are literally thousands of posts that I would call pointless but fall within the rules as being legitimate - incorrect or repeated information being the main offenders here. If someone posts a thread in the health section about how they need some time off college but will get kicked out if they take the time as holiday and the first reply is "I'M SURE THEY WON'T MIND" (yup, it happened) that's apparently a useful post. Similarly, you often have threads asking for advice and it's solved fairly early on, yet people then feel the need to repeat the exact same information that's just been given, which is again seen as not pointless, but is far less useful than the original answer. With these points in mind there is no way, without reading every single post on the forum for the month, of knowing for sure who has made the best posts - hence why MOTM has largely relied on post count and not actual content so often

[Richie]

Not a good idea to publically announce posts as a form of getting MOTM... It should of been done behind the scenes, and have it so it isn't a primary way to get it :P

But then if they didn't they wouldn't get people posting as often and as much as they try to defend the fact that its not, that really is what they want.

[xxMATTGxx]

To be honest you can try all these gimmicks you like, I see like 80 people online at one time, and hardly anyone posting. Staff are useless when it comes to posting, and it's not changing. Granted a lot of staff do post, but they like to stay couped up in their little staff forums. The worst culprits for this is HabboxLive Staff. I'm not taking a dig at them, and I know their job doesn't involve the Forum, but what it does involve is the community. So when you get all these new DJ's who have only just joined the Forum because they wanted the job but decided they weren't going to post around the Forum it's not really engaging with the community.

Stop with the gimmicks and sort out the staff that don't post. People who are online must be doing something so why the HELL aren't they posting?! It's a ******* joke. This is just a pointless way of rewarding people who don't want to post to post. If you're going to get people to post and to "look more popular" force the staff which will get the Forum more active and then people outside the Staff will be more inclined to engage in discussion.

Apologies to the staff that do post often and this isn't aimed at you, it's aimed at the staff who sit for hours on end Online but doing **** all.

You can't force anyone to post, including the staff members and we can only encourage it. I know one way that may help in this situation in regards of staff not coming out of their staff forums but it may hurt the departments in terms of staff bonding which is what all departments need in some sort of way to keep the department nice and friendly and is also a good way of getting the staff to talk together and maybe work together also. You can go on any forum and website which may have hundreds of active users logged onto daily, does that mean they have to post? No it doesn't. Some people may just use the forum to actually read and post very little when they want to and can, like I said they need to be encouraged and not forced.

[marriott0.01]

You can't force anyone to post, including the staff members and we can only encourage it. I know one way that may help in this situation in regards of staff not coming out of their staff forums but it may hurt the departments in terms of staff bonding which is what all departments need in some sort of way to keep the department nice and friendly and is also a good way of getting the staff to talk together and maybe work together also. You can go on any forum and website which may have hundreds of active users logged onto daily, does that mean they have to post? No it doesn't. Some people may just use the forum to actually read and post very little when they want to and can, like I said they need to be encouraged and not forced.

See you get no where being polite. You need to start putting your foot down if you don't want to go the forum to go down hill in my opinion. If people are staying in Staff Forums then there's an easy way to stop that and that's to stop people being allowed to post in Staff forums and only have Management be able to post important threads for staff's attention. That's probably the best thing in my opinion and will force people to either post outside the Staff Forums or to not post at all. So that could backfire as well. But having a set monthly minimum amount of posts for Staff means that the community can be closer. **** the department's as themselves bonding, I was Habbox staff and Staff Bonding was the biggest load of bull **** I have ever done. When people were arguing in HxHD and threatening to quit they decided to do staff bonding. It was a joke. It didn't work. If people aren't going to get along "staff bonding" ain't gonna work. What will work though is to get the community and staff closer together. If the staff are meant to be serving the community then why not get them closer to the actual community. There are incentives to "force" staff to post. And I'm not saying that everyone has to post. I'm just saying if you want people to post you should be doing more to get people posting and not just "reading" or going into the Staff Forums for a bit of Spam. We have a perfectly legit Spam forum if they wanna ******* post spam. Gimmicks like this are going to do **** all and if it does work, it's not going to be people who want to post legitamately it's going to be people to do it just to win something, as soon as they've got it, you can count on them not posting again. Hence why it's just a gimmick. Reward posters, I have no problem with that. Just this is not the way to do it.

[xxMATTGxx]

See you get no where being polite. You need to start putting your foot down if you don't want to go the forum to go down hill in my opinion. If people are staying in Staff Forums then there's an easy way to stop that and that's to stop people being allowed to post in Staff forums and only have Management be able to post important threads for staff's attention. That's probably the best thing in my opinion and will force people to either post outside the Staff Forums or to not post at all. So that could backfire as well. But having a set monthly minimum amount of posts for Staff means that the community can be closer. **** the department's as themselves bonding, I was Habbox staff and Staff Bonding was the biggest load of bull **** I have ever done. When people were arguing in HxHD and threatening to quit they decided to do staff bonding. It was a joke. It didn't work. If people aren't going to get along "staff bonding" ain't gonna work. What will work though is to get the community and staff closer together. If the staff are meant to be serving the community then why not get them closer to the actual community. There are incentives to "force" staff to post. And I'm not saying that everyone has to post. I'm just saying if you want people to post you should be doing more to get people posting and not just "reading" or going into the Staff Forums for a bit of Spam. We have a perfectly legit Spam forum if they wanna ******* post spam. Gimmicks like this are going to do **** all and if it does work, it's not going to be people who want to post legitamately it's going to be people to do it just to win something, as soon as they've got it, you can count on them not posting again. Hence why it's just a gimmick. Reward posters, I have no problem with that. Just this is not the way to do it.

You don't get anywhere by swearing a lot either. Stop the staff from posting in their staff forums and just leaving it to the managers and posting threads when they need to and so on could have a negative effect and could cause a greater problem for us. Blocking staff from posting may cause them to leave because there is no friendly involvement/environment for them, after all this is a job you take on voluntarily and don't get paid for your work. Which is not what we are trying to do here is it? It could be a trial and error where we see how it goes for X amount of days and see what effect it does do to the staff and the departments. When I mentioned staff bonding, not all departments need to go on omgpop.com for that to happen, some departments jut need a spam thread where that department talk between themselves and have a laugh and so on and whatever. That is what brings that department together and is ideal for them, yes you mention they could post it in the public but if they did they would of done.

[-Nick]

I agree with u it's spam

[marriott0.01]

You don't get anywhere by swearing a lot either. Stop the staff from posting in their staff forums and just leaving it to the managers and posting threads when they need to and so on could have a negative effect and could cause a greater problem for us. Blocking staff from posting may cause them to leave because there is no friendly involvement/environment for them, after all this is a job you take on voluntarily and don't get paid for your work. Which is not what we are trying to do here is it? It could be a trial and error where we see how it goes for X amount of days and see what effect it does do to the staff and the departments. When I mentioned staff bonding, not all departments need to go on omgpop.com for that to happen, some departments jut need a spam thread where that department talk between themselves and have a laugh and so on and whatever. That is what brings that department together and is ideal for them, yes you mention they could post it in the public but if they did they would of done.

You get everywhere by swearing ;) And I've been up since 5pm, i'm getting ratty and still haven't slept and only swore four times. Hardly a big deal? But you say there's no friendly envrionment? Ahem. There's more forums on this forum than just the Staff Forums. The community is friednly yanno ;) And the reward of the job shouldn't be the Staff Forum, you'd have to be ******ed to take that as a reward. The reward is a sense of accomplishment and helping. I just don't see why Staff don't post, it just causes friction between Staff Members and Forum Posters. Also I wasn't talking about Omgpop.com I was talking about other bonding events. And we don't mind if they bond with each other out here in the open forum with the rest of us. We don't bite yanno. We're simply just sitting behind a computer, not exactly going to shoot them with out 1's and 0's now are we? I just don't get why everything that's no "confidential" can't come out of the Staff Forums, since the community is as much of Habbox as the staff is. Without the community you'd just have staff and that'd hardly be a decent fansite ;) So why not give us some new friends and some interesting new topics of conversations. Yanno I doubt Ryan and Tara and Richie are that good that they can come up with 100s of threads a day, and if they did they would probably get warned for doing it. Since I "spammed" the New Posts after posting about 20threads which were legitamate about the fall TV schedule. But no that was simply "spamming the new posts" even though New Posts was irregularly getting updates on that day anyway. So I think I was a breath of fresh air to get some new posts on the forum finally. And we're just as funny as staff, they can have a laugh with us. This isn't an office environment where you have to get on with the people you work with because you sit right next to them, you can simply choose to ignore them if you wish. If there's friction within a department of a Habbo Fansite as long as they're not arguing, who cares? It's hardly going to cause any problems if 2 DJ's of HabboxLive don't like each other. Many HxL Staff don't like eachother anyway. When I was there lots of them were two-faced. So yeah it's hardly something Staff Bonding ever solved, so instead of getting them couped up amongst one and other, why not set them free and they'll find they can get away from their fellow staff members, enjoy the community and engage in interesting conversation.

[xxMATTGxx]

You get everywhere by swearing ;) And I've been up since 5pm, i'm getting ratty and still haven't slept and only swore four times. Hardly a big deal? But you say there's no friendly envrionment? Ahem. There's more forums on this forum than just the Staff Forums. The community is friednly yanno ;) And the reward of the job shouldn't be the Staff Forum, you'd have to be ******ed to take that as a reward. The reward is a sense of accomplishment and helping. I just don't see why Staff don't post, it just causes friction between Staff Members and Forum Posters. Also I wasn't talking about Omgpop.com I was talking about other bonding events. And we don't mind if they bond with each other out here in the open forum with the rest of us. We don't bite yanno. We're simply just sitting behind a computer, not exactly going to shoot them with out 1's and 0's now are we? I just don't get why everything that's no "confidential" can't come out of the Staff Forums, since the community is as much of Habbox as the staff is. Without the community you'd just have staff and that'd hardly be a decent fansite ;) So why not give us some new friends and some interesting new topics of conversations. Yanno I doubt Ryan and Tara and Richie are that good that they can come up with 100s of threads a day, and if they did they would probably get warned for doing it. Since I "spammed" the New Posts after posting about 20threads which were legitamate about the fall TV schedule. But no that was simply "spamming the new posts" even though New Posts was irregularly getting updates on that day anyway. So I think I was a breath of fresh air to get some new posts on the forum finally. And we're just as funny as staff, they can have a laugh with us. This isn't an office environment where you have to get on with the people you work with because you sit right next to them, you can simply choose to ignore them if you wish. If there's friction within a department of a Habbo Fansite as long as they're not arguing, who cares? It's hardly going to cause any problems if 2 DJ's of HabboxLive don't like each other. Many HxL Staff don't like eachother anyway. When I was there lots of them were two-faced. So yeah it's hardly something Staff Bonding ever solved, so instead of getting them couped up amongst one and other, why not set them free and they'll find they can get away from their fellow staff members, enjoy the community and engage in interesting conversation.

I'll reply to one bit of that post and that's the following:


But you say there's no friendly envrionment? Ahem. There's more forums on this forum than just the Staff Forums. The community is friednly yanno


I didn't mean outside, I meant within the department itself. You know a friendly workplace sort of speak? :P

[marriott0.01]

I'll reply to one bit of that post and that's the following:



I didn't mean outside, I meant within the department itself. You know a friendly workplace sort of speak? :P

Yeah but as I made clear in the rest of the post, you don't need to be bumchums in a Habbo Fansite. You just need to please the community. And am not pleased :@ As long as they don't have to work in tight spaces in cramped offices together there shouldn't be a problem with two people not seeing eye to eye. Hey I survived for a substantial amount of time didn't I? :P

[Jamesy]

Yeah but as I made clear in the rest of the post, you don't need to be bumchums in a Habbo Fansite. You just need to please the community. And am not pleased :@ As long as they don't have to work in tight spaces in cramped offices together there shouldn't be a problem with two people not seeing eye to eye. Hey I survived for a substantial amount of time didn't I? :P

If you want unhappy staff who will just leave after a few days then we can go down that route. I wouldn't want to give up my time and energy to a place where I am unable to become friends with my fellow team members and my superiors.

Anyway.


Not a good idea to publically announce posts as a form of getting MOTM... It should of been done behind the scenes, and have it so it isn't a primary way to get it :P

I can see where you're coming from but when we announced it at the end of the month it would have had the same result. I figured it was best to get the announcement out of the way, people may up their normal posting for a few days and it will settle back down - as Garion said, a lot of you seem resigned to it.


But then if they didn't they wouldn't get people posting as often and as much as they try to defend the fact that its not, that really is what they want.

I don't think we've defended its not. Garion himself said that ultimately we do want people to post more. We're running the forum and the site as a whole so of course we want more users to be active. Thats why we offer incentives to, as matt says, encourage people to post. It's the same logic as making new skins, adding awards, and all the other changes we make - to give the reward the community and make people want to stay and be active.

[scottish]

no staff spam/random threads = less motivation for staff tbh

i remember events a few years ago, absolutely no-one in the department spoke to each other and the only active thread was the booking an event thread, everyone in the department found it boring and hated it, as you were giving away the furni you bought/earned and getting basically nothing out of it apart from people moaning at you in the room because they lost

[Sharon]

I've skipped past all the essays here so...

How does this work. You can check the posts of MOTM's anyway to know they were constructive.

But with this they might be some rubbish posts... how are you to know that - you can't really just check all the posts.

It really simply looks like you just want more posts and the thread looks badly worded.

[marriott0.01]

If you want unhappy staff who will just leave after a few days then we can go down that route. I wouldn't want to give up my time and energy to a place where I am unable to become friends with my fellow team members and my superiors.

To be honest, most staff don't get along anyway? So it's not really just saying they're are going to be unhappy when their lil' spam threads go. And they're able to become friends with them, in the general forum, and also other friends who aren't staff and are just general forumers.