Habbox (Forum) Points

[Calvin]

I just thought of this idea, although it may take a while to develop and test it'll be worth it I think. Basically, it's like the vBulletin vbExperience addon but maybe a custom one. It's a point system where users earn points and then they can earn points and trade them for either Habbo Furni, rep points, VIP/Donator or anything else you're willing to give away. Obviously the points would have to be high for VIP or it would be worthless. This could also be used to give away real life prizes too.

Users could recieve points for the following:


Making a post, 1 point for each post?
Recieving an award
Winning an event/competition
Winning a high score on the Arcade
A few extra points for purchasing Donator?
However many points, like for a competition the prize could be 20 points or whatever

I think if this is introduced, users would actually use the features on the site/forum more frequently as they would want these points to get certain prizes that interest them most.

[Samantha]

Mr-Trainor did something like this on his site, people only used it for a while, and they cheated getting points. They also only used it to get a name change, and the points system was later disabled.

Real life prizes? If I won one I wouldn't give my address out to be honest.
And sorry Calvin I prefer forums without points it's cheesy and boring, as there probably will not be anything worthwhile winning.

[Jordan]

I don't like the idea, as Sam said Luke did this on his site and he got rid of it soon after because It was (in a way) being abused, not being used what it was for and cheating. In the whole this is a good idea, but this doesn't need to be introduced to this forum.

[Calvin]

Mr-Trainor did something like this on his site, people only used it for a while, and they cheated getting points. They also only used it to get a name change, and the points system was later disabled.

Real life prizes? If I won one I wouldn't give my address out to be honest.
And sorry Calvin I prefer forums without points it's cheesy and boring, as there probably will not be anything worthwhile winning.
If you don't want to give out your address then that's fine, they could do an option whether to get it delivered to your local post office so you can collect it which only needs your full name or you can choose another prize that interests you most, depends on your trust with Habbox I guess.

How did they cheat to get points, and how was it used not for the original purpose?

[Alex3213]

Sorry, no. It's been suggested many a time and it's too complex (well at least for the competition thing anyway but infact, events even more). Points are too hard to monitor, it's complicated and although it could be done with things like awards, the bigger picture here is that the amount you are suggesting is too hard to do really. Gaining awards for certain points sounds ok though.

Oh and certainly not for posts, even if people get warnings, they'll still be gaining points.

[Tintinnabulate]

Not going to happen. Habbox is already slow as it is and another addon won't help the server.

I am not sure if points system is the answer. The answer is friendly staff and moderators who use common sense and stop acting like a robot.

[Inseriousity.]

Oli was going to bring in a points system I think and it probably ended up on 'Jamesy's and Bolt's LIST OF INSTRUCTIONS love Oli' list when he resigned.

However, the competitions department will be sticking to their currency of Habbo furni/rep and VIP just for simplicity reasons. Although we wouldn't begrudge any other department that wished to bring this in, we just wouldn't take part in it (just in reply to the 'winning a competition' suggestion). :)

[Calvin]

Sorry, no. It's been suggested many a time and it's too complex (well at least for the competition thing anyway but infact, events even more). Points are too hard to monitor, it's complicated and although it could be done with things like awards, the bigger picture here is that the amount you are suggesting is too hard to do really. Gaining awards for certain points sounds ok though.

Oh and certainly not for posts, even if people get warnings, they'll still be gaining points.I agree that it will be hard to monitor the events and competitions points, perhaps just for posting etc.


Not going to happen. Habbox is already slow as it is and another addon won't help the server.

I am not sure if points system is the answer. The answer is friendly staff and moderators who use common sense and stop acting like a robot.What do you mean by "stop acting like a robot"?


Oli was going to bring in a points system I think and it probably ended up on 'Jamesy's and Bolt's LIST OF INSTRUCTIONS love Oli' list when he resigned.

However, the competitions department will be sticking to their currency of Habbo furni/rep and VIP just for simplicity reasons. Although we wouldn't begrudge any other department that wished to bring this in, we just wouldn't take part in it (just in reply to the 'winning a competition' suggestion). :)Fair enough. :)

[Jamesy]

Oli was going to bring in a points system I think and it probably ended up on 'Jamesy's and Bolt's LIST OF INSTRUCTIONS love Oli' list when he resigned.


First I've heard of this actually, do you have the thread it came from?

[Tintinnabulate]

I agree that it will be hard to monitor the events and competitions points, perhaps just for posting etc.

What do you mean by "stop acting like a robot"?

Fair enough. :)

They don't look at why someone said something. They look for specific stuff.

[Inseriousity.]

First I've heard of this actually, do you have the thread it came from?

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=664528&page=1

somewhere in this thread, the idea evolves to a points system involving the awards system that Oli seemed to be a fan of. Surprised he didn't mention it, there'll be a thread in management forum somewhere too where he asks for suggestions. I'll find that later and edit it in.
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=665481

@Saurav, when I was in the mod dept, I didn't pass because I always looked at the context and therefore didn't get as many logs as a trialist should have (probably too lenient actually but that's a different story). If there are targets, I ironically think it's very human for people to act robotic and only aim for the thing that will add a +1 to their logbook.

[Tintinnabulate]

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=664528&page=1

somewhere in this thread, the idea evolves to a points system involving the awards system that Oli seemed to be a fan of. Surprised he didn't mention it, there'll be a thread in management forum somewhere too where he asks for suggestions. I'll find that later and edit it in.
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=665481

@Saurav, when I was in the mod dept, I didn't pass because I always looked at the context and therefore didn't get as many logs as a trialist should have (probably too lenient actually but that's a different story). If there are targets, I ironically think it's very human for people to act robotic and only aim for the thing that will add a +1 to their logbook.

Well every mod knows mod logs matter. Its whats looked at as one of the main things when looking for a new smod. Management can deny it, but its that attitude which annoys me, they think we are stupid.

[Inseriousity.]

Well every mod knows mod logs matter. Its whats looked at as one of the main things when looking for a new smod. Management can deny it, but its that attitude which annoys me, they think we are stupid.

However, you're not suggesting a suitable and quantitative measure of keeping track of moderators? Sure, maybe it makes them jump on everything that they can get away with (size of people's signatures being very common, for example) but it's also the only thing they have atm to allow management to say 'yes, he's doing good', 'oh he's not doing so good'. It's insane to suggest that managers keep an eye on their staff 24/7, its just not possible so there needs to be a quantitative measure to combat that. The same way events use 'number of events', hxhd use 'number of hours spent behind desk', comps use 'number of entries' etc. So suggest an alternative that they could use realistically :)

[Tintinnabulate]

However, you're not suggesting a suitable and quantitative measure of keeping track of moderators? Sure, maybe it makes them jump on everything that they can get away with (size of people's signatures being very common, for example) but it's also the only thing they have atm to allow management to say 'yes, he's doing good', 'oh he's not doing so good'. It's insane to suggest that managers keep an eye on their staff 24/7, its just not possible so there needs to be a quantitative measure to combat that. The same way events use 'number of events', hxhd use 'number of hours spent behind desk', comps use 'number of entries' etc. So suggest an alternative that they could use realistically :)

Well so if you were moderating Graphics and people stopped breaking the rules in there, you mod logs will be low and you will fail. They need to start looking at the quality of the edits etc. How many mod logs other mods in the same section have and if those logs are ott or what.

[Samantha]

If you don't want to give out your address then that's fine, they could do an option whether to get it delivered to your local post office so you can collect it which only needs your full name or you can choose another prize that interests you most, depends on your trust with Habbox I guess.

How did they cheat to get points, and how was it used not for the original purpose?


First I'm sure there was a glitch or staff members made their ponts to something like 1mil+.

Also, people were just using it to spam, to get their points up, which made them the top of the 'Rich Members' list which applied to the points.

Then, the points kept increasing but there was no awards with it as it had been disabled.

As people have said it's hard to monitor.

[Mr-Trainor]

There wasn't any way of cheating on my forum's points system. It was only in testing and all points were cleared at the end of the testing back to 0. During testing it was much easier to get points and points were given out by management. It was as I said, testing. Once it was taken back to 0 and introduced properly, it was fairly successful but there was a lot more planned to be introduced but which never got done completely.

On Habbox, I think a points system would be good but it depends how it would work, how you get points etc. Until I know that, I can't really make much comment on whether it will be succesful or not :P

[Pyroka]

There wasn't any way of cheating on my forum's points system. It was only in testing and all points were cleared at the end of the testing back to 0. During testing it was much easier to get points and points were given out by management. It was as I said, testing. Once it was taken back to 0 and introduced properly, it was fairly successful but there was a lot more planned to be introduced but which never got done completely.

On Habbox, I think a points system would be good but it depends how it would work, how you get points etc. Until I know that, I can't really make much comment on whether it will be succesful or not :P

Well you could give points for anything, because the Award system caters for that, and funnily enough the Awards system has a points system built in.

I'm fully in favour of any points related loyalty scheme style service on the forum. It'd help get new members in, and most of all, itll make them want to stay.

[Nixt]

Well every mod knows mod logs matter. Its whats looked at as one of the main things when looking for a new smod. Management can deny it, but its that attitude which annoys me, they think we are stupid.

On the contrary, the system I introduced a long time ago means that Moderators don't get to see the amount of logs they receive and they are rated on logs on a tiered system. Even then, the system is modified accordingly to monthly forum activity and does not determine the overall rating / comments the Moderator receives. Other matters are taken into account, such as interactivity with forum members and posting, reports to Super Moderators, and the quality of infractions given. Gone are the days where Moderators were judged purely on the amount of logs they achieve and Forum Management for a long time now have been much more involved in the more qualitative features surrounding a Moderator.

Even in the days where Moderator logs were the defining feature that distinguished a Moderator from others, it comes down to whether that Moderators decisions (and therefore logs) affected you. I achieved well over 1000 logs in one of my reports, and yet I was considered an excellent Moderator by those who spoke to me! Why - because they liked me and didn't begrudge me when I fairly penalised them or, I didn't penalise them because they didn't break any rules and they loved me because I only targeted those who broke the rules.

But of course when you (i.e. anyone, not just you, Saurav) get dealt with by a Moderator they instantly become a failure, desperate to gain as many logs as possible so as to ensure promotion or passing of a trial. Has it ever occurred to anyone that these Moderators are simply learningor even more surprisingly, they're actually correct and you just don't like the fact you've got an infraction?!

Something to consider, perhaps.

[Mark]

I've seen this on another Forum except they called them Tickets

[j0rd]

This is like what club tropica uses?
Its a good idea but hard to implement i guess