[Minecraft] Stuto's Server

[Jamesy]

I should be unbanned tbh. Was only getting revenge. :L

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind xD

[xxMATTGxx]

To unbreak the thread.

[Chippiewill]

Oh and before I get accused because It was from my project. It wasn't me who made the spill of lava to create the fires.

Very quick to defend yourself, very quick indeed. So quick in fact that it must be YOU! I have revealed your diabolical plans but you have been thwarted by my superior intellect!


An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind xD
I believe it actually makes two different people half blind. Two half blinds do not make a whole blind, tsk tsk.

[xxMATTGxx]

Very quick to defend yourself, very quick indeed. So quick in fact that it must be YOU! I have revealed your diabolical plans but you have been thwarted by my superior intellect!


I believe it actually makes two different people half blind. Two half blinds do not make a whole blind, tsk tsk.

I defended myself quickly because I know what it is like trying to find out who caused it, anyway the person who did owned up and it was a genuine accident. It doesn't matter either way haha. :P

[Firehorse]

Latest Cartograph:

http://fileserve.webshark.co/Minecraft/custom-map-obliqueangle-day3.png

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[Fez]

I've been off for a while, has a new server log-in been made because mine just keeps saying 'Logging In'?

[Stephen]

I've been off for a while, has a new server log-in been made because mine just keeps saying 'Logging In'?

probably lag cos I got that once and had to just keep trying continuously until it let me on

[dbgtz]

make that whole patch of land desert and we should all build a huge sphynx (sp?).

+rep to who finds my batman symbol in the sky

[Stephen]

http://i56.tinypic.com/amaaeh.png

is that it?

[Jamesy]

I believe it actually makes two different people half blind. Two half blinds do not make a whole blind, tsk tsk.

Blame ghandi not me!

[dbgtz]

http://i56.tinypic.com/amaaeh.png

is that it?

yarp :P

[dbgtz]

http://i52.tinypic.com/2it1utg.png
some pictures of various things.

[Verrou]

*REMOVED* who made the Pyramid, it's awesome o_O

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[Verrou]

Amg, Cecer install this on the server ASAP pls.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0tjFdh-WvU&feature=player_embedded
http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=59003

[dbgtz]

YES
YES
YES
YES
do it chris

[jackass]

OMG! Install it, now! :D

[Stephen]

aghreed

[Pyroka]

LOL That looks well fun.

[Stephen]

ryan have you got vip on the server yet or did you totally just give up

[Pyroka]

I gave up I go on a different server now which has like tons of nice buildings and has hardly been built on. It's well good.

[Stephen]

tons of nice buildings and has hardly been built on.... Did you mean to say that?

[Pyroka]

Yeah tons of nice buildings but its hardly been built on. You'd have to see it tbh lol.

[Stephen]

How can it have tons of nice buildings and hardly been built on? A ton of buildings in minecraft would probably be over 100 buildings as you can store over 1000 stone blocks in your inventory but no one in the world can carry over 1000 bricks in their bag or whatever so them blocks must not weigh anything

[Pyroka]

oh no its not over 100 buildings but its quite a few for the fact the servers been open 2 days lol

[Stephen]

is it 24/7 server? cos im bored

[Pyroka]

Uhh most of the time yeah. Dunno if its online now. Check it out: 24.22.234.26

I think its hosted on a VPS too

[Stephen]

yeah it's online

[Pyroka]

plz dont destroy my mosque. theres a /v/ thread on it if you google the ip, its the first result. pure lols.

[rnix]

wish i bought this ;/ i wanna play on peoples :( stupid free version


i dont want to post anymore :'(

[Pyroka]

You should before it goes well expensive. I was hesitant to buy it, but the multiplayer is amazinggg. I got a sample of it on the free version cuz minecraft auth servers went down so free players could play multiplayer.

Serious 9 quid you wont regret it. Nice post count btw:

http://grab.by/6UHq

[FlyingJesus]

ban them from using buckets and saplings then and ban lava and anything that causes fire too

Buckets don't work anyway, if you place a lava bucket it just stays where it is for a few seconds, won't flow or burn anything and then disappears


wish i bought this ;/ i wanna play on peoples :( stupid free version

Buy it then lol if I can afford it anyone can

[Firehorse]

I gave up I go on a different server now which has like tons of nice buildings and has hardly been built on. It's well good.

Just ask when you're ingame and me or cecer are online.

[rnix]

Buy it then lol if I can afford it anyone can


quit me job recently :L

[Oleh]

Sell your habbostuff

[CECER1]

The flying boat is client side - not server side.
Sorry, no can do.

[N!ck]

*REMOVED* who made the Pyramid, it's awesome o_O

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Mine :).

[Verrou]

Mine :).
Well done! It's quite amazing. And Cecer does that mean if we install it, we can use it on the server?

[FlyingJesus]

This is far too funny.

Some kid burns down half the town because he for some reason didn't think that lava would fall off the end of his weird sky platform thing, and my house that I'd just made got burnt down in the process. I call him fat (because he is) and I get suspended while the CRIMINAL gets away with planting a few trees and doing none of the building work. I then accidentally spill some lava after getting unsuspended (but muted so I couldn't have any fun) and am promptly banned, along with Graham who literally did nothing.

[rnix]

i dont even know what to do in multiplayer/ :L

[Ardemax]

I can't actually get on.

Screenie:

http://i51.tinypic.com/117z3pu.png
http://i51.tinypic.com/24xne2o.png

[Firehorse]

I can't actually get on.

Screenie:

http://i51.tinypic.com/117z3pu.png
http://i51.tinypic.com/24xne2o.png

That message is saying you didn't buy minecraft with that account.

[Ardemax]

I totally did!!! grr

[CECER1]

Tom, that was the most obvious greif ever.
Oh, and Flicker was banned as a precaution.

I would like you to know that you caused no more than 10 minutes relaxed repair work (5 if you want to focus on it)... /ff rules :P
You was muted for bullying.
You was banned for greifing.

Flicker, it is up to Dan if you get unbanned.

[FlyingJesus]

Oh so I caused less damage than the fat guy but he's not banned? Also I wasn't bullying, or at least no more than you were and always seem to do, and this was explained ad nauseum despite your poorly wrought attempts at logic, which even Graham saw through and he has learning difficulties. Your hilarious need to look righteous and important is the real cause of this - I'd written a thankyou message and planned to simply get on with repairing the building myself (despite it having been griefed by another user who refused to help at all) until I noticed you'd seen the need to mute me in order to have some semblance of success about you.

btw, I know you like to think that you know what's going on with the server but it seems you're quite unable to think practically, or you might have seen that although Apple did indeed set Graham's house ablaze, a tower of lava and water reaching up to the sky can't appear from a floor fire. Even the log you posted showed part of my work right at the top of it:

2010-10-17 01:32:28 [INFO] [BLOCK] => TomFantastic placed 8 @ 203,109,775


The water block which extended the lava floods to include water and obsidian streaks, if you'd cared to check the placement. Also the lava I dropped can't have been long before that and should have been spotted easily. Really not much of a moderator.

[Fez]

I think I'm with Tom on this one, I have my doubts given the massive volume of damage isn't enough for just one guy to do, or at least one driven guy. Let him off with a warning or something because I'm with him on the accusation of being overly zealous, but perhaps it was a rash decision and these things happen all the time. That and the /ff run-about for half an hour must have just blanked out Tom's innocence and all that jazz.

[DPS]

It's only a game imo idk whats with all the hate ;o

[rnix]

Cause someone trashed a house i think

[Firehorse]

Flicker will be unbanned on server up tomorrow; Tom will be unbanned on server up the day after. I don't think I need to explain that this is a warning that next time it will be a permanent one.

[Apple]

Oh so I caused less damage than the fat guy but he's not banned? Also I wasn't bullying, or at least no more than you were and always seem to do, and this was explained ad nauseum despite your poorly wrought attempts at logic, which even Graham saw through and he has learning difficulties. Your hilarious need to look righteous and important is the real cause of this - I'd written a thankyou message and planned to simply get on with repairing the building myself (despite it having been griefed by another user who refused to help at all) until I noticed you'd seen the need to mute me in order to have some semblance of success about you.

btw, I know you like to think that you know what's going on with the server but it seems you're quite unable to think practically, or you might have seen that although Apple did indeed set Graham's house ablaze, a tower of lava and water reaching up to the sky can't appear from a floor fire. Even the log you posted showed part of my work right at the top of it:


The water block which extended the lava floods to include water and obsidian streaks, if you'd cared to check the placement. Also the lava I dropped can't have been long before that and should have been spotted easily. Really not much of a moderator.

You make a good point here. I was totally bemused as to why it went ignored.

Stuto, please could you give me a final chance to use the server and unban me when you unban tom and flicker?

[Firehorse]

You make a good point here. I was totally bemused as to why it went ignored.

Stuto, please could you give me a final chance to use the server and unban me when you unban tom and flicker?

End of the week.

[CECER1]

Oh so I caused less damage than the fat guy but he's not banned?
Well, it seems very much like you did it on purpose.
I find it very hard to believe that the leak of lava directly over the village was accidental.


Also I wasn't bullying, or at least no more than you were and always seem to do, and this was explained ad nauseum despite your poorly wrought attempts at logic, which even Graham saw through and he has learning difficulties.
You was insulting someone by calling them fat pretty much every other message.
You agreed this was for no reason except they are fat and you hate fate people.
Please explain how this is not bullying
Also, what does having learning difficulties have to do with anything? Do you hate people with those too?


Your hilarious need to look righteous and important is the real cause of this - I'd written a thankyou message and planned to simply get on with repairing the building myself (despite it having been griefed by another user who refused to help at all) until I noticed you'd seen the need to mute me in order to have some semblance of success about you.
I felt the need to stand up for the victim who you was personally attacking for no reason other than you dislike their appearance.
I muted you and Flicker simply to stop the whole argument and allow you to continue building.
Dan agreed with suspending you, so I am pretty sure he would of felt muting you instead (which is less extreme) would be acceptable.

When I call someone an idiot it is generally after they just did something dumb and that also affects me (normally wasted time).
Someone being in the game who may or may not be "fat" does not affect you in any way what so ever.
I admit I can be a little hash sometimes with the idiot insults however I don't go on for nearly as long as you did... it was almost constant!


btw, I know you like to think that you know what's going on with the server but it seems you're quite unable to think practically, or you might have seen that although Apple did indeed set Graham's house ablaze, a tower of lava and water reaching up to the sky can't appear from a floor fire. Even the log you posted showed part of my work right at the top of it:

The water block which extended the lava floods to include water and obsidian streaks, if you'd cared to check the placement. Also the lava I dropped can't have been long before that and should have been spotted easily. Really not much of a moderator.
I believe in the modern world it goes something like this: Innocent till proven guilty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presumption_of_innocence)
Unfortunately there was no evidence due to the block logger being down.
And any form of greifing revenge or not is still a perfectly good reason to ban someone in my books.



I would also like to point out that this would never of happened if Tom had just apologised for the constant fat insults towards Hilly.
He refused to accept that there was anything wrong with this.
Since Tom and Flicker were banned the community spirit was the most enjoyable I have felt in a while.

[FlyingJesus]

Well, it seems very much like you did it on purpose.
I find it very hard to believe that the leak of lava directly over the village was accidental.

For once you are right, I'm not trying to hide that or I wouldn't have admitted to everything else


You was insulting someone by calling them fat pretty much every other message.
You agreed this was for no reason except they are fat and you hate fate people.
Please explain how this is not bullying


As I said, if you want to count it as bullying fine but it's no more than what you do every day, just a different reason


Also, what does having learning difficulties have to do with anything? Do you hate people with those too?

No but sometimes they are quite funny. It seems you've now lost the ability to understand a sentence, or else you'd have realised I was actually saying that even a person with learning difficulties was able to see that your "logic" didn't work


I felt the need to stand up for the victim who you was personally attacking for no reason other than you dislike their appearance.
I muted you and Flicker simply to stop the whole argument and allow you to continue building.

The victim was myself, having had my newly-done building burned to a skeleton and the culprit refusing to assist me in any way with rebuilding. Muting may not have been such a problem if you'd actually given warning of it rather than saying "ok now shut up, not that you have a choice" once you'd been proved wrong. Admire the professionalism there


When I call someone an idiot it is generally after they just did something dumb and that also affects me (normally wasted time).
Someone being in the game who may or may not be "fat" does not affect you in any way what so ever.

It does since I suffer quite severely from cacophobia


I admit I can be a little hash sometimes with the idiot insults however I don't go on for nearly as long as you did... it was almost constant!

Well he didn't stop being fat


I believe in the modern world it goes something like this: Innocent till proven guilty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presumption_of_innocence)
Unfortunately there was no evidence due to the block logger being down.
And any form of greifing revenge or not is still a perfectly good reason to ban someone in my books.

Did I not just show you the proof of my guilt? Not sure what your point's meant to be here


I would also like to point out that this would never of happened if Tom had just apologised for the constant fat insults towards Hilly.
He refused to accept that there was anything wrong with this.
Since Tom and Flicker were banned the community spirit was the most enjoyable I have felt in a while.

I never got an apology for the damages done to me, nor any kind of reparation whatsoever. Why I should be courteous to a character that denies me such decencies I cannot imagine, particularly when I am his superior. As for the latter part, I am most pleased that the moistness of Hooperchooper's analingus was enjoyable for you

[Oleh]

Well seems i finally think its time to step in.

I quite rightly remember saying "once i get an apology ill quite happily aid in repair work"

So you are quite mislead.


and for the "I am his superior" Part, Are you a server moderator are you a forum moderator? No, you are on the same playing level as me. You can act superior but it doesnt change the fact that we are equals.

You're also acting very immature, i thought you would have been above that for that fact that as your DOB states you are 20.

[FlyingJesus]

I'm not being immature I'm just correcting poor old Cecer on parts where he's wrong, and we're not equals dear. That's somewhat like saying David Beckham and David Bentley are equals because they both play the same game
And again, I shouldn't have to apologise for your errors

[Oleh]

I never asked for an apology for my errors, i asked for an apology towards the hate.

Tell me how we are not equals? Your e-peen is huge from what i can tell

[FlyingJesus]

On the scale of things I find myself completely outweighed by you to be honest

[DPS]

go to sleep :)

[rnix]

i'm with jesus on this one :)

[Josh]

Now, hopefully this doesn't cross the line and I get infracted or warned for it. I have read stuff in this thread which can equal the severity of this so hopefully I'll be fine.

The server is becoming crap due to a moderator and there are too many rules and regulations. Before Stuto actually had a static address for the server, the server was much more fun when there were no superiors except for Dan. Of course, since the popularity is rising, some rules do have to come into play but I just don't agree with the fact you have to "line up" and get interviewed for the /ff command. Then, players who've been with the server from almost the start aren't allowed to use the cuboid feature or whatever because we can't be trusted. When the moderator gets to build an almighty ship or whatever with it and be proud of that.

Yeah, you code stuff but that doesn't mean you can be trusted; you've burnt more down more stuff than some of the older members have. Yes Cecer, you've picked up on my dislike of you and I've noticed that. The thing is, I can't actually play when you're online because you're always bugging me about why I dislike you. When I say no and laugh it off, you teleport me into your glass (cuboided) dome and clear my inventory.

I hope this doesn't come out as rude and I've gotten it read by a staff member so yeah. Won't be replying to any counter-argument from you Cecer just to prevent arguments and infractions and stuff. Thx.

[Firehorse]

Maybe it's time for everyone to have a permissions reset. All would be wiped apart from the server scripts and map, and then it's like you're new players.

Cecer, please remember you're a mod to help script testing. The rest can give it a rest, stop arguing about irl stuff, that's what facebook is for. This is a casual 'test' server and I don't want people to not play because of another member.

[Verrou]

I don't wanna lose my firefighterness D;

[xxMATTGxx]

Maybe it's time for everyone to have a permissions reset. All would be wiped apart from the server scripts and map, and then it's like you're new players.

Cecer, please remember you're a mod to help script testing. The rest can give it a rest, stop arguing about irl stuff, that's what facebook is for. This is a casual 'test' server and I don't want people to not play because of another member.


Does this mean none us will be able to use the simple "/give blah blah" command?

[Oleh]

/give is a server command, i guess he'll add that to our permishuns.

[Fez]

Minecraft is SRS BZNIS.

[Firehorse]

It will happen at the end of the week. But this time no second chances so don't destroy others stuff no matter what the situation.

[DPS]

Stuto can you give me a full command list? so i can paste it into a .txt file so i can use it and means i dont forget :) Thanks and+rep if you can

[jackass]

What's the point in resetting perms and settings etc.? :S

[Stephen]

What's the point in resetting perms and settings etc.? :S

this

what does resetting stuff help with?

[FlyingJesus]

Would have thought they'd want to keep whatever's been built tbh, otherwise there's not going to be any reason for people to go on there once the CC server comes up

[Oleh]

I don't remember him saying he was resetting the map

[Firehorse]

Would have thought they'd want to keep whatever's been built tbh, otherwise there's not going to be any reason for people to go on there once the CC server comes up


Maybe it's time for everyone to have a permissions reset. All would be wiped apart from the server scripts and map, and then it's like you're new players.

Cecer, please remember you're a mod to help script testing. The rest can give it a rest, stop arguing about irl stuff, that's what facebook is for. This is a casual 'test' server and I don't want people to not play because of another member.

quoted above

Also an update on the creepercraft vps: They decided to change their mind and we won't be helping with their servers and they won't be hosting this one.

[dbgtz]

oo wtf why

[Oleh]

*Removed*

Please do not insult other forum members. ~ Recursion (Super Moderator)

[Firehorse]

oo wtf why

They didn't specify a reason and this was basically the entire conversation:




Niamh said

Hey guys, sorry i havent told you until now
But basically we've decided against you 2 running it

[Stephen]

their loss I don't care I'm sticking with your server

[jackass]

*Removed*

Clearly that's the reason. How did you get to that conclusion, exactly?

[Pyroka]

Probably because CreeperCraft won't have control of the client hosted on their sever. Quite rightly so though, they're capable of making their own server. Gives people a bit more choice, in essence everyones a winner.

[Oleh]

Clearly that's the reason. How did you get to that conclusion, exactly?

From what i heard he is, until i meet him my opinion wont change (i know i know)

to be honest i dont even know who the person is

[DPS]

Im sticking with Stuto :)

[Fez]

STUTO VERSUS creepwerCRAFT111234!

[Firehorse]

Probably because CreeperCraft won't have control of the client hosted on their sever. Quite rightly so though, they're capable of making their own server. Gives people a bit more choice, in essence everyones a winner.

They most definately would have, there wouldn't be any reason for them not to have access to the server scipts, info and have administrator privaledges themselves.

Although they didn't state why, I can predict a reason is that if you're running someone then you'd want someone you know well or yourself to run it to be as efficient as possible.

[Stephen]

i stick with stutos. It's a nice little private sort of server just for us lot on here to play about with. Creepercraft is gonna be a fansite so it's gonna have aload randomers on there

[FlyingJesus]

Also an update on the creepercraft vps: They decided to change their mind and we won't be helping with their servers and they won't be hosting this one.

This was decided and posted about ages ago lol like even before all the griefing and you destroying my area of the map. It was more to do with how Cecer is a terrible mod whom we couldn't trust with power considering how much griefing and server crashing is in his history, but then apparently (I can't say for sure as this is just what Niamh told me) you were being too demanding with what you wanted from a VPS which we were doing you a favour getting, despite your saying that you couldn't be around much to help anyway. As for Niamh not giving you a reason, I was told you two basically ignored him, but again I wasn't there so can't be 100%

Anyone wanting to stay on the stuto server is more than welcome we're not getting violent about stealing a couple of users lol, my earlier statement was written in the belief that people would prefer a 24/7 build server, but anyone's free to go on whatever one they want obv

[Firehorse]

This was decided and posted about ages ago lol like even before all the griefing and you destroying my area of the map. It was more to do with how Cecer is a terrible mod whom we couldn't trust with power considering how much griefing and server crashing is in his history, but then apparently (I can't say for sure as this is just what Niamh told me) you were being too demanding with what you wanted from a VPS which we were doing you a favour getting, despite your saying that you couldn't be around much to help anyway.

Anyone wanting to stay on the stuto server is more than welcome we're not getting violent about stealing a couple of users lol, my earlier statement was written in the belief that people would prefer a 24/7 build server, but anyone's free to go on whatever one they want obv

Never was being demanding, I just wanted to know more about how they were planning to run it. Such as how they were going to become sustainable and the potential profit they'd be able to make from it. How can I be demanding from a VPS? I was giving the minimum specifications which a minecraft server needs to run, if that is too much for you guys to afford then you should have done your research before starting the project. I was stating I couldn't be around much until a specified date, which turned out to be before you were planning to start the project anyhow.

I'm not going to continue this debate because it is silly, least because you're only their forum manager and aren't running it.

Oh and just to make it clear, the minimum amount of RAM for a minecraft server is 1024mb. If you're expecting any more than 10 players online at a time without that much RAM then you'd probably better rethink your plans.

----------Adding on------------

I didn't 'destroy' your area, I pruned the map because it was quite an extreme adventure which more than quadroupled the size of the map. Also the creation you made whilst there was restored at another location. And before you say anything about it being the landscape please know I understand but I just couldn't leave the map so large.

[Nemo]

They most definately would have, there wouldn't be any reason for them not to have access to the server scipts, info and have administrator privaledges themselves.

Although they didn't state why, I can predict a reason is that if you're running someone then you'd want someone you know well or yourself to run it to be as efficient as possible.
Basically was Tom has said is almost true, and yes i didn't give a reason why because i was literally ignored. Not a single reply. We thought of you guys originally because we had seen that you and cecer were managing to do this quite effectively. Me and titch were insanely surprised when you were demanding that we open on a date to suit you, as you were busy (if busy, then don't do it.). That put us off but we were fine with it and we agreed we'd get it when we get it. I then stalked this thread a lot, and after seeing that actually quite a lot of people disliked Cecer, and no offense to you Dan, but i can pretty much manage the server quite effectively and would as you said, be a lot easier and more efficient.

I think the clincher was this massive arguement thats been happening really, and all this drama. Me and Titch just decided we didn't want that kind of atmosphere from the beginning, a fresh start with no drama.

As to stealing users, pretty much what Tom said.

This was decided and posted about ages ago lol like even before all the griefing and you destroying my area of the map. It was more to do with how Cecer is a terrible mod whom we couldn't trust with power considering how much griefing and server crashing is in his history, but then apparently (I can't say for sure as this is just what Niamh told me) you were being too demanding with what you wanted from a VPS which we were doing you a favour getting, despite your saying that you couldn't be around much to help anyway. As for Niamh not giving you a reason, I was told you two basically ignored him, but again I wasn't there so can't be 100%

Anyone wanting to stay on the stuto server is more than welcome we're not getting violent about stealing a couple of users lol, my earlier statement was written in the belief that people would prefer a 24/7 build server, but anyone's free to go on whatever one they want obv


34 pages and i've finally got a reason to post.

[Firehorse]

Ok, now it's time for some good news.

On the day of the permission reset users will be given extra permissions by default. This will include cuboid.

Cuboid is a tool which can be used for fast building and fast modifications. Users must be cautious when using it as it can be misused easily and cause damage.
New members unknown to the forum will not get these permissions immediately.

It is likely uberaxe will also return soon after a bug fix.

Any misuse of these tools will lead to a ban. /undo will fix most misuses for only the single previous action, but can't be taken for granted.

Extremely large modifications/builds must be done in smaller chunks to reduce the strain on the server.

[Fez]

Time to build an even bigger chicken.

[Stephen]

can the people who get cuboid have/keep/begivenback /ff too

[Oleh]

i dont see why you dont just push through the problems and collaborate. Dan does have regular periods where he doesnt reply but it all gets sorted.

From all i gather from just your post, You are using this as an excuse to start your own.

[Apple]

Ok, now it's time for some good news.

On the day of the permission reset users will be given extra permissions by default. This will include cuboid.

Cuboid is a tool which can be used for fast building and fast modifications. Users must be cautious when using it as it can be misused easily and cause damage.
New members unknown to the forum will not get these permissions immediately.

It is likely uberaxe will also return soon after a bug fix.

Any misuse of these tools will lead to a ban. /undo will fix most misuses for only the single previous action, but can't be taken for granted.

Extremely large modifications/builds must be done in smaller chunks to reduce the strain on the server.

Loving the sound of the cuboid update. I really am looking forward to getting back on the server now. :P

[Nemo]

i dont see why you dont just push through the problems and collaborate. Dan does have regular periods where he doesnt reply but it all gets sorted.

From all i gather from just your post, You are using this as an excuse to start your own.
If that was in reference to me, its because i dont want there to be any problems. We're only just starting up and if there's problems already, i dont want there to be any reason for there to be later down the line. It's just not a good starting point.

As for "an excuse to start my own". We're going to start a new one regardless. We asked Stuto and Cecer because they already had an established server and community, so we thought it'd be nice (and easier for us) to let them run the VPS. However for the reasons stated above, we decided against it.

[Oleh]

If that was in reference to me, its because i dont want there to be any problems. We're only just starting up and if there's problems already, i dont want there to be any reason for there to be later down the line. It's just not a good starting point.

As for "an excuse to start my own". We're going to start a new one regardless. We asked Stuto and Cecer because they already had an established server and community, so we thought it'd be nice (and easier for us) to let them run the VPS. However for the reasons stated above, we decided against it.


All im saying is, if you were to support Stutos server. you know of the weaknesses and if the weaknesses prove to much its a little few words to fix but starting a new server gives way for problems such as rogue moderators and stuff.

[FlyingJesus]

I didn't 'destroy' your area, I pruned the map because it was quite an extreme adventure which more than quadroupled the size of the map. Also the creation you made whilst there was restored at another location. And before you say anything about it being the landscape please know I understand but I just couldn't leave the map so large.

Well I apparently can't reply to this post then as that was entirely the point of that area. Regardless, you definitely could have left it you were simply unwilling, but it doesn't matter now


Any misuse of these tools will lead to a ban. /undo will fix most misuses for only the single previous action, but can't be taken for granted.

/undo is a fantastic tool, there are versions of it that undo all of your actions in a certain time frame (ie: /undo 60 will undo the last minute) which always proved useful on Niamh's old freebuild server, but even as just a last action function that ought to help the server tremendously, especially with regards to bigger mistakes such as water/lava leaks


Dan does have regular periods

lol


All im saying is, if you were to support Stutos server. you know of the weaknesses and if the weaknesses prove to much its a little few words to fix but starting a new server gives way for problems such as rogue moderators and stuff.

Starting a new server doesn't mean having to hire complete strangers to moderate it lol, the team wouldn't be working together if we didn't know each other. I think with our personal differences especially between Cecer and, well, everyone else it will prove less stressful to both parties being able to work separately

[xxMATTGxx]

Anyway, Dan could you do another catograph please. Thanks and keep up the good work with the server!

[Stephen]

in otherwords matt did a massive penis

[Firehorse]

Ok, i've started a thread for a VPS fund to see approximately how much we'd be able to raise with stability. http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=670871


---------------Adding On----------------

Latest Cartograph:

http://fileserve.webshark.co/Minecraft/custom-map-obliqueangle-day4.png

http://fileserve.webshark.co/Minecraft/custom-map-obliqueangle-day4.png

[Fez]

You can see my giant duck :D

[xxMATTGxx]

You can see my waterway and expansions to it quite nicely on that. :D

[dbgtz]

you can see where people went over the land with sand which i specifically cleared for myself :////

[FlyingJesus]

Did the volcano get moved I swear it wasn't in the sea before and what's that big brown thing up in the top right gonna be

[xxMATTGxx]

you can see where people went over the land with sand which i specifically cleared for myself :////

I'm I one of them? I apologize if so.

http://mattgarner.net/upload/images/1287550877.png

Who created this bit (circled in red)

[Fez]

Right, I've got an idea for my next project.

[jackass]

Looking forward to the cuboid update! :D

[Oleh]

if your refering to that volcano thing towards the bottom left.. That was a volcano island i made purely for aesthetic reasons.

[dbgtz]

I'm I one of them? I apologize if so.

http://mattgarner.net/upload/images/1287550877.png

Who created this bit (circled in red)

I put a sign up now
and I made that.

[FlyingJesus]

if your refering to that volcano thing towards the bottom left.. That was a volcano island i made purely for aesthetic reasons.

Shhh don't tell them that's the reason, it'll get deleted

[[Chris]]

Dear sirs.

http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/4385/claimed.png

Me and Fez have a BIG idea and would like to request a large area to be claimed for such needs. PLZPLZPLZPLZPLZPLZ

[Firehorse]

Shhh don't tell them that's the reason, it'll get deleted

The volcano island also doubles as my secret lair, the inside is somewhat hollow.


;6781540']Dear sirs.

http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/4385/claimed.png

Me and Fez have a BIG idea and would like to request a large area to be claimed for such needs. PLZPLZPLZPLZPLZPLZ

sure, tomorrow. Server is going down any minute now.

[Fez]

sure, tomorrow. Server is going down any minute now.

We shall rise at noon!

(tomorrow at sometime)

[FlyingJesus]

Unbanned tomorrow, huzzah

[Firehorse]

The picture isn't showing btw

[xxMATTGxx]

I put a sign up now
and I made that.

Ah cool, just wondering who it was that's all. ;D

[Firehorse]

Server's up

[dbgtz]

shame minecrafts down.

[Firehorse]

shame minecrafts down.

I was wondering why nobody was online :P

Here, use this for now but i'll remove it after a few days

http://fileserve.webshark.co/Minecraft.exe

[DPS]

It's still down :(

[Firehorse]

It's still down :(

Use the .exe I just posted!

(When it says can't login click play offline and then you'll have the multiplayer menu)

[DPS]

Yeah i already have the .exe and it doesnt work for me says took to long to connect and then doesnt let me.

[Firehorse]

Yeah i already have the .exe and it doesnt work for me says took to long to connect and then doesnt let me.

Hmm, ah well I guess we all just gotta wait

[Chippiewill]

Hmm, ah well I guess we all just gotta wait
You *could* disable name verification for a bit..

[Firehorse]

It's online again!

[DPS]

Stuto what are the times your server is online?

[Firehorse]

Stuto what are the times your server is online?

Evening week days, mostly all day weekends (GMT)

[DPS]

ok thanks :)

[Stephen]

why the hell are people ddosing minecraft.net lol

[DPS]

why the hell are people ddosing minecraft.net lol
**** knows but it pisses me off

[Verrou]

Lame, is that why I can't log on -.-

[DPS]

Lame, is that why I can't log on -.-
Yeah its why its been down for ages now.

[Oleh]

They should really change to a completley different server for login.

[FlyingJesus]

Then that one would get attacked too lol

[Firehorse]

This is now a product i've paid for which I have no access to. The person responsible for this needs a hard punch in the noggin.

[DPS]

Then that one would get attacked too lol

did you ddos it? lol ;] jks

[Stephen]

too bad they ddos'd an alpha game

[Firehorse]

What a piss take. Seriously 4Chan.

http://nerdcubed.co.uk/2010/10/21/minecraft-is-down-utter-ftards-to-blame/

Just idiots sometimes.

[FlyingJesus]

lol if that's a genuine quote, what updates have we been promised and not had/not getting?

[Firehorse]

lol if that's a genuine quote, what updates have we been promised and not had/not getting?

They're just idiots who don't follow notch's news at all or something. Or are just too thick to know about the upcoming haloween update.

[Oleh]

What a piss take. Seriously 4Chan.

http://nerdcubed.co.uk/2010/10/21/minecraft-is-down-utter-ftards-to-blame/

Just idiots sometimes.


Most of the time its good, but several individuals bring more bad reputation than good to 4chan.

[Stephen]

can we have a carto please

[Firehorse]

Great, yet more grieving. This time whoever it was will be perm banned. End of story.

[dbgtz]

Great, yet more grieving. This time whoever it was will be perm banned. End of story.

what happened this time? -.-

[Stephen]

who grieved what and when?

[Firehorse]

Latest cartograph on request:

http://fileserve.webshark.co/Minecraft/custom-map-obliqueangle-day5.png

http://fileserve.webshark.co/Minecraft/custom-map-obliqueangle-day5.png

[Stephen]

hmm that face is too small. I think I may need to do 5x big one

[Apple]

Just a reminder - you said that I would be unbanned at the end of the week. I've served my time. :D

[Firehorse]

Just a reminder - you said that I would be unbanned at the end of the week. I've served my time. :D

My week starts on sunday, ends on saturday. Unless you wish for my week to start on a monday?

[FlyingJesus]

lol banned for something I actually didn't do this time, lovesit. I'm a pretty amazing person but I can't start fires on the server while I'm offline

[Firehorse]

lol banned for something I actually didn't do this time, lovesit. I'm a pretty amazing person but I can't start fires on the server while I'm offline



2010-10-20 23:26:38 [INFO] [BLOCK] => TomFantastic placed 10 @ 162,45,720
2010-10-20 23:26:39 [INFO] [BLOCK] => TomFantastic placed 10 @ 161,45,720
2010-10-20 23:26:41 [INFO] [BLOCK] => TomFantastic placed 10 @ 160,45,720
2010-10-20 23:26:42 [INFO] [BLOCK] => TomFantastic placed 10 @ 161,45,720
2010-10-20 23:26:44 [INFO] [BLOCK] => TomFantastic placed 10 @ 160,45,720


Player data files show you were online at this time and this is also what caused the fire which destroyed at least 2 creations.

[FlyingJesus]

I don't deny placing the blocks, nor do I deny that a fire was started, but I'd made 100% sure that the fire wouldn't spread to the actual buildings as I was doing lava/fire tests underground - ironically enough for working out how to safely place it. Someone else must have changed something in the area for the fire to reach the top level, as I'm sure it doesn't usually travel through 3 layers of rock

[Apple]

I don't deny placing the blocks, nor do I deny that a fire was started, but I'd made 100% sure that the fire wouldn't spread to the actual buildings as I was doing lava/fire tests underground - ironically enough for working out how to safely place it. Someone else must have changed something in the area for the fire to reach the top level, as I'm sure it doesn't usually travel through 3 layers of rock

Well then, your minecraft skills are obviously not what you make them out to be. You did a cruddy DIY job and are now paying the consequences. :P

Whoever -repped saying "you can't criticise anyone for griefing", can't you tell I'm only joking? And I never said anything about Tom griefing, just that he messed up when creating his design. Not that I was really being serious anyway. :rolleyes:

[Josh]

I don't deny placing the blocks, nor do I deny that a fire was started, but I'd made 100% sure that the fire wouldn't spread to the actual buildings as I was doing lava/fire tests underground - ironically enough for working out how to safely place it. Someone else must have changed something in the area for the fire to reach the top level, as I'm sure it doesn't usually travel through 3 layers of rock

True this. You can easily put a pillar of wood up up and up through everything.

[Stephen]

can't login cos minecraft has decided to go down again

[Firehorse]

I don't deny placing the blocks, nor do I deny that a fire was started, but I'd made 100% sure that the fire wouldn't spread to the actual buildings as I was doing lava/fire tests underground - ironically enough for working out how to safely place it. Someone else must have changed something in the area for the fire to reach the top level, as I'm sure it doesn't usually travel through 3 layers of rock

How would anyone else have discovered it was there to be able to make it spread? Remember there were underground tunnels already near the houses with wood blocks there. And also the nearby land was flooded with water blocks also found in the logs.

[Apple]

Please can you unban me now, I'm bored lol.

[Firehorse]

Please can you unban me now, I'm bored lol.

Try again, should have worked earlier but I couldn't be arsed to restart.

[FlyingJesus]

How would anyone else have discovered it was there to be able to make it spread? Remember there were underground tunnels already near the houses

Answered your own question there

As for water there was in the room I made underground a 1x3 of lava and a 1x3 of water a few spaces away, I placed no water on the surface

[Firehorse]

Answered your own question there

As for water there was in the room I made underground a 1x3 of lava and a 1x3 of water a few spaces away, I placed no water on the surface

The area the lava was placed was much deeper than the tunnels. The fact is you placed the lava right under a flamable building, we even did a recreation of how fast the fire spread from the lava at that level. If you didn't mean to grief then why didn't you repair the damage or tell someone?

It's common sense to test something potentially dangerous away from other stuff.

[FlyingJesus]

Guessing you missed the bit where I mentioned the levels of stone surrounding it and how it couldn't have spread unless someone changed what was down there

[Firehorse]

Guessing you missed the bit where I mentioned the levels of stone surrounding it and how it couldn't have spread unless someone changed what was down there

Since you're still claiming it wasn't you i've dug up yet more evidence showing you placed the logs and wood at that position and altitude at the same time which allowed the fire to spread.

5 buildings were damaged beyond repair because of this.


2010-10-20 23:22:12 [INFO] [BLOCK] => TomFantastic placed 17 @ 161,57,717
2010-10-20 23:22:17 [INFO] [BLOCK] => TomFantastic placed 17 @ 161,57,717
2010-10-20 23:22:18 [INFO] [BLOCK] => TomFantastic placed 17 @ 161,56,717
2010-10-20 23:22:59 [INFO] [BLOCK] => TomFantastic placed 17 @ 161,47,718
2010-10-20 23:22:59 [INFO] [BLOCK] => TomFantastic placed 17 @ 161,48,718
2010-10-20 23:22:59 [INFO] [BLOCK] => TomFantastic placed 17 @ 161,48,718
2010-10-20 23:22:59 [INFO] [BLOCK] => TomFantastic placed 17 @ 161,49,718
2010-10-20 23:23:00 [INFO] [BLOCK] => TomFantastic placed 17 @ 161,49,718
2010-10-20 23:23:00 [INFO] [BLOCK] => TomFantastic placed 17 @ 161,50,718
2010-10-20 23:23:00 [INFO] [BLOCK] => TomFantastic placed 17 @ 161,50,718
2010-10-20 23:23:00 [INFO] [BLOCK] => TomFantastic placed 17 @ 161,51,718
2010-10-20 23:23:01 [INFO] [BLOCK] => TomFantastic placed 17 @ 161,51,718
2010-10-20 23:23:01 [INFO] [BLOCK] => TomFantastic placed 17 @ 161,52,718
2010-10-20 23:23:20 [INFO] [BLOCK] => TomFantastic placed 17 @ 160,53,718
2010-10-20 23:23:20 [INFO] [BLOCK] => TomFantastic placed 17 @ 160,54,718
2010-10-20 23:23:21 [INFO] [BLOCK] => TomFantastic placed 17 @ 160,52,718
2010-10-20 23:23:24 [INFO] [BLOCK] => TomFantastic placed 17 @ 161,50,719

[FlyingJesus]

brb ignoring what I said again

k back

[Firehorse]

Latest cartograph on request:

http://fileserve.webshark.co/Minecraft/custom-map-normal-day5.png

http://fileserve.webshark.co/Minecraft/custom-map-normal-day5.png

[Verrou]

http://images.andrehamon.com/s/2010-10-24_112740.png

Woo finally killed a pig XD Drowned the *******.

[Verrou]

Mein haus aka Casa de Verrou.

http://images.andrehamon.com/s/2010-10-24_115739.png

http://images.andrehamon.com/s/2010-10-24_115839.png

http://images.andrehamon.com/s/2010-10-24_115949.png

[FlyingJesus]

Keep meaning to get a texture pack they look so good, wonder how long til someone gets a (good) one for Boo extras

[dbgtz]

yeah, ima have to wait for a hd texture which suits the boo update :P

[Firehorse]

I hope you're all pleasantly surprised with the small adjustments I made to New Vegas while the server was offline :)

[Josh]

whats new vegas?

[Fez]

I hope you're all pleasantly surprised with the small adjustments I made to New Vegas while the server was offline :)

New Vegas?

[Firehorse]

New Vegas?

We're building a las vegas on the server, called new vegas.

[Fez]

We're building a las vegas on the server, called new vegas.

Oh wow! I don't think I've ever heard that name before.

[Firehorse]

Oh wow! I don't think I've ever heard that name before.

Las vegas is like the most famous gambling city on earth...

[Fez]

Las vegas is like the most famous gambling city on earth...

I mean I've never heard 'New Vegas' before.

Sarcasm, boy.

[Oleh]

Wow... Just wow.

banned for griefing.... WHAT DID I DO!

[Firehorse]

Wow... Just wow.

banned for griefing.... WHAT DID I DO!

Dw, cecer read the wrong name

---------------------

flicker has landed himself a perm ban.

[Oleh]

What a tail

[Firehorse]

Right i'm seriously considering just dumping this server. This community is becoming very childish. One griefer after another and then the next taking advantage of a broken backup system. Then I am the one who gets shouted at for 'not running it propperly'. FYI this whole thing is done out of my free time with no profit or gain and if all I get back from the people I do it for is this kind of **** i'm just going to not bother any more.

[CECER1]

The amount of times I said about sorting the backup system and you kept putting it off.
How is it not your fault if you refuse to spent a bit of time setting up some updates?

Running this type of server as a hobby is like being a fire fighter as a hobby.
You are not always needed but you need to be there when you are. (At least a reasonably amount of the time).

If you had taken the time to sort the backup system on any of the countless times I said about it then we could of had it back up in no time at all and very little would of been lost.
A bad owner is worse than pretty much all greifing.

[Firehorse]

The amount of times I said about sorting the backup system and you kept putting it off.
How is it not your fault if you refuse to spent a bit of time setting up some updates?

Running this type of server as a hobby is like being a fire fighter as a hobby.
You are not always needed but you need to be there when you are. (At least a reasonably amount of the time).

If you had taken the time to sort the backup system on any of the countless times I said about it then we could of had it back up in no time at all and very little would of been lost.
A bad owner is worse than pretty much all greifing.

We did have a backup system sorted but you wanted to do some extremely complex thing which uploaded the files to a server.
You always say 'a bit of time' this runs into hours, often a whole afternoon and the job still doesn't get finished until the next day.
I'm sick and tired of it the server is fine the way it is i'll sort out a backup and I don't need you shouting at me every time something goes wrong which was due to someone else's argument or **** headedness.

Yes you can run a server as a hobby, which I was doing quite successfully without you breathing down my back the whole time. Helping is one thing, acting as god is another.

The debates you were having with me and players was the reason we didn't settle the deal to run the creepercraft servers as well.

The pattern was always the same. You bring along "something new and better" and when it didn't work I get the blame.

[dbgtz]

wow calm down, its minecraft. Minecraft should be lols and we should lol is flickers face cos hes a total ****.

seriously we do just need a simple but more frequent back up system tbh.

[CECER1]

We did have a backup system sorted but you wanted to do some extremely complex thing which uploaded the files to a server.
You always say 'a bit of time' this runs into hours, often a whole afternoon and the job still doesn't get finished until the next day.
That was an attempt at making it much more effective. Unfortunately it didn't work so I found that plugin which we never did set up.
And most of that time was simply waiting for it to finish by the way. Waiting isn't exactly taking time when you can do other things.
Also, I feel the need to remind you that the old backup system wasn't for Hey0.
So that means going back to "!kit bricks" and all that.



I'm sick and tired of it the server is fine the way it is i'll sort out a backup and I don't need you shouting at me every time something goes wrong which was due to someone else's argument or **** headedness.
Well, you can either figure out the BackupPlugin without my help or you can find another one (that there doesn't appear to be) or you can use the wrapper and hope it doesn't break anything to badly.


Yes you can run a server as a hobby, which I was doing quite successfully without you breathing down my back the whole time. Helping is one thing, acting as god is another.
Running a server as a hobby just about covers replacing a file when it is updated.
I guess giving a few people permission to use it counts as well.



The debates you, were having with me and players was the reason we didn't settle the deal to run the creepercraft servers as well.
I believe part of the deal was also to help it out... that means time... which you seem not to have any spare....
I also remember you quite forcefully asking for a cut in the profits... THE VPS WASN'T ENOUGH???
You also wanted to know quite a lot of stuff you didn't need to.


The pattern was always the same. You bring along "something new and better" and when it didn't work I get the blame.
No, I bring something out newer a better.
A bug is found.
I fix the bug.
I have to wait for you to find some time to replace the files.
I get annoyed because something happens that would of been avoided.
I blame you for not taking 2 minutes to update some files.

[FlyingJesus]

The debates you were having with me and players was the reason we didn't settle the deal to run the creepercraft servers as well.

*help run

But yeah that was mainly Cecer's fault, didn't help that you wanted dolla in exchange for doing a job which you admitted to not being able to do but that was something we prob could have worked around, Cecer being Cecer wasn't likely to change lol


Well, you can either figure out the BackupPlugin without my help or you can find another one (that there doesn't appear to be) or you can use the wrapper and hope it doesn't break anything to badly.

Fairly sure there was a backup system before which worked


No, I bring something out newer a better.
A bug is found.
I fix the bug.
I have to wait for you to find some time to replace the files.
I get annoyed because something happens that would of been avoided.
I blame you for not taking 2 minutes to update some files.

Read:
You bring out something that helps you but won't allow anyone else to use it.
You crash the server with it.
You try again.
It still crashes.
You use it anyway.

[Fez]

I think the only thing here that is causing all of this argument, all of this banter and all of this stress is Cecer's impatience with Stuto.

Just sayin'.

[CECER1]

You bring out something that helps you but won't allow anyone else to use it.
You crash the server with it.
You try again.
It still crashes.
You use it anyway.

No, I stopped using it.
It was then replaced by something more stable and which everyone has benefited from.



The first time was due to not realising that blocks will become pickups in some cases.
The second time was a bug... these things happen.
The third time was another bug, the last one was fixed.
The forth was caused by something that really shouldn't of crashed the server but it did.

I would also like to point out that Dan was about to do the same thing 10 minutes before anyway (forth crash).

After that forth one I found a replacement. This has had no problems and a lot of you quite frequently asked for me to do cuboid on an area for you.


P.S. There was a backup system that worked before. Infact there was two.

The first wasn't for Hey0. Without Hey0 you have very limited features.
The second was very slow and Dan was the main reason I even looked into another one.

[FlyingJesus]

Haven't noticed any extra features (that we can use) since the backup system went, all the server really needed was a /give function of some sort and maybe /tp

Anyone who can't build without cuboid should just stick to Classic

[Firehorse]

A new backup system has been installed and is now working without any glitches so far.

Coming soon: Flying mod.

[xxMATTGxx]

You know with these new backup system, does this mean everything that has been done over the past few days has gone too?

[Firehorse]

You know with these new backup system, does this mean everything that has been done over the past few days has gone too?

That has nothing to do with the new backup system. The reason some things are gone is thanks to flicker completely trashing the server. Thankfully if this ever happens again people will only lose 50 minutes of creations rather than several days.

[xxMATTGxx]

That has nothing to do with the new backup system. The reason some things are gone is thanks to flicker completely trashing the server. Thankfully if this ever happens again people will only lose 50 minutes of creations rather than several days.

Oh that's bloody fantastic. I'll guess I will have to rebuild it and extend it back to three lanes and do everything else I did tomorrow then or whenever it's up next! Blah. :P

[CECER1]

Haven't noticed any extra features (that we can use) since the backup system went, all the server really needed was a /give function of some sort and maybe /tp

Anyone who can't build without cuboid should just stick to Classic

Well, I guess you are right that all the extra features were for me and Dan only.

You only had access to TimeVote, AreaProtection*, Cuboid**, BlockLogger***, ImprovedTeleport****, UberAxe*****, FireFighter******, InventoryClearing*******, and the little commands (/clear, /worldtime and /fail)********.


*This was by request. But very few people bothered. Imagine if we gave everyone /protect and how much trouble it would cause.

** I personally used Cuboid more for others requesting it than my self. Maybe Dan did to. I have explained why it is not public below.

*** This can prove who placed the block and therefor get rid of the griefer.

**** This was finished about 4 days ago. But Dan never updated it. It solved the issue of being pushed off.

***** UberAxe was only removed intill Cuboid was updated (which had a higher requirement). This was also waiting for Dan.

****** The update would of allowed it to go to everyone. However even the current one has saved a fair amount.

******* This was included in the update. But a lot of you asked for me to clear your inventory for you manually.

******** Yes, these weren't needed. But they didn't exactly have a downside did they?

And without Hey0 (which I kept up to date) you wouldn't have /warp or /home either. That means a long walk to the village unless someone else is already there.


So apart from all that, you get nothing. Sorry about being so selfish and hogging everything.


Why Cuboid Isn't Public
*/cuboid is given out to User A*
*User A does /spawn*
*User A does /give woodshovel*
*User A clicks on the ground*
*User A does /cball 200 0*
The spawn is now gone as if everything with in 400 metres of it.




Oh and Dan, good luck.
That Flying Mod was client side, how do you plan on adding it?

[jackass]

That is probably the most contradictory post I have ever seen.


Well, I guess you are right that all the extra features were for me and Dan only.

You only had access to TimeVote, AreaProtection*, Cuboid**, BlockLogger***, ImprovedTeleport****, UberAxe*****, FireFighter******, InventoryClearing*******, and the little commands (/clear, /worldtime and /fail)********.


*This was by request. But very few people bothered. Imagine if we gave everyone /protect and how much trouble it would cause.

** I personally used Cuboid more for others requesting it than my self. Maybe Dan did to. I have explained why it is not public below.

*** This can prove who placed the block and therefor get rid of the griefer.

**** This was finished about 4 days ago. But Dan never updated it. It solved the issue of being pushed off.

***** UberAxe was only removed intill Cuboid was updated (which had a higher requirement). This was also waiting for Dan.

****** The update would of allowed it to go to everyone. However even the current one has saved a fair amount.

******* This was included in the update. But a lot of you asked for me to clear your inventory for you manually.

******** Yes, these weren't needed. But they didn't exactly have a downside did they?

And without Hey0 (which I kept up to date) you wouldn't have /warp or /home either. That means a long walk to the village unless someone else is already there.


So apart from all that, you get nothing. Sorry about being so selfish and hogging everything.


Why Cuboid Isn't Public
*/cuboid is given out to User A*
*User A does /spawn*
*User A does /give woodshovel*
*User A clicks on the ground*
*User A does /cball 200 0*
The spawn is now gone as if everything with in 400 metres of it.




Oh and Dan, good luck.
That Flying Mod was client side, how do you plan on adding it?

[Verrou]

So if the flying boat this is client side, can we install it and use it? Or what...I don't understand, because the demo video of it is filmed on a SMP server...

[FlyingJesus]

Well, I guess you are right that all the extra features were for me and Dan only.

You only had access to TimeVote, AreaProtection*, Cuboid**, BlockLogger***, ImprovedTeleport****, UberAxe*****, FireFighter******, InventoryClearing*******, and the little commands (/clear, /worldtime and /fail)********.


*This was by request. But very few people bothered. Imagine if we gave everyone /protect and how much trouble it would cause.

** I personally used Cuboid more for others requesting it than my self. Maybe Dan did to. I have explained why it is not public below.

*** This can prove who placed the block and therefor get rid of the griefer.

**** This was finished about 4 days ago. But Dan never updated it. It solved the issue of being pushed off.

***** UberAxe was only removed intill Cuboid was updated (which had a higher requirement). This was also waiting for Dan.

****** The update would of allowed it to go to everyone. However even the current one has saved a fair amount.

******* This was included in the update. But a lot of you asked for me to clear your inventory for you manually.

******** Yes, these weren't needed. But they didn't exactly have a downside did they?

So let's reword this to what it actually means shall we?



You could change the time if you didn't like it being dark for a bit


Woooo thank the lord for Cecer


Also: SMP flying mod (http://forum.hey0.net/viewtopic.php?pid=2361#p2361)
Also: I didn't say we needed the extra tools, I said YOU didn't

[CECER1]

What you "reworded" changes a lot of the meaning.

My Version:
You can have your creation protected from direct modification.
Your Version:
Anyone can edit anything

My Version:
You can ask me or Dan to help you clear large areas in some cases. THIS HAPPENED A LOT!
Your Version:
You always had to change one block at a time.

My Version:
We could find who burnt down Creation A within seconds.
Your Version:
We spend hours collecting evidence, none of which is proves anything for sure. We risk banning the wrong person (which happened before BlockLogger) and more damage could be done.

My Version:
You would of been able to teleport to someone without knocking them off.
Your Version:
You might get knocked off when someone teleports to you because you wasn't holding shift. Tuff.

My Version:
You would of been able remove blocks quick and easily once again. The current version wasn't compatible with Cuboid so was disabled till the next update.
Your Version:
If you fill a room with obsidian by mistake then you have to spent 2 hours clearing it out.

My Version:
If you spill some lava in your wooden building you can just do do /ff (or shout FIRE) and run at it to put it out. Very easy and fast - no clean up required.
Your Version:
If you spill some lava in your wooden building you can make a hopeless attempt at flooding everything with water, dirt, sand, glass and what not. Then clear it all up afterwards.

My Version:
You can request your inventory to be cleared. Updates would of included the ability to remove all of a specific type from your inventory while leaving the rest as well as doing it your self.
Your Version:
You have to spent a fair bit of time chucking stuff in lava or over a cliff or something to get a decent amount of room in your inventory.
Either that or ask Dan (who needs to be online to ask) to delete your inventory (and saved position), then reconnect.


Also, I kind of did require some extra tools for testing updates.
Not to mention that with Dan only being on when he is totally free that a greifer can't be stopped.
And if Dan is trusting me to send him files that could (if I was as immature as 90% of the internet) totally ruining his computer, then why then why not give me stuff that would be useful. Considering I would of been able to give my self those powers if I wanted to anyway.


And finally:
Well that flyRidgeFly is not a mod, it is a plugin. That is what confused me.
And I already had it on my test list.

[FlyingJesus]

Protect clearly wasn't used all that much and had enough flaws for us to work out how to burn your ship even when it was protected. Not to mention that the only large-scale griefing was done simply as a way of showing our love for you, and wouldn't have occurred at all otherwise as when we were trusted which each other's stuff (ie: at the start) it was fine and everyone was happy.

Clearing areas is, or at least should be, just as much a task as building. One can hardly take as much pride in a landscaping job that took a few seconds to make an ugly square as they could if they'd made the area themselves.

BlockLogger is quite useful I'll agree, but isn't worth mentioning in this discussion as I'm on about the actual tools, not server maintenance add-ons.

The new teleport was never added so not a valid point, also not all that necessary.

Anyone who manages to accidentally fill a room with obsidian deserves the job of clearing it up. Enough to take 2 hours could never be done by accident unless you use cuboid, which as mentioned we never got. UberAxe is far more useful as a griefing tool (trust) than a building one.

Firefighter obviously didn't work all that well when hulahoop burned down the village, and when making wooden buildings you really ought to be careful with lava anyway. A neat tool perhaps (not that I ever saw it working very well) but not necessary.

If you really think that the only normal way to clear your inventory is to spam Q then you really need to explore the game a bit more. Maybe if you didn't have so many extra tools you'd learn how to do things manually.



As for the flying thing, if you already had it in your test list why were you trying to be smug saying it's client side only and won't work? Or to go from the other angle, if you really believe it wouldn't work why was it in your test list? You can't claim that it being a different type of addition really threw you off that much, surely

[CECER1]

Protect clearly wasn't used all that much and had enough flaws for us to work out how to burn your ship even when it was protected. Not to mention that the only large-scale griefing was done simply as a way of showing our love for you, and wouldn't have occurred at all otherwise as when we were trusted which each other's stuff (ie: at the start) it was fine and everyone was happy.
I said editing directly. Either way, it was still some protection.
And I didn't make Cuboid, I simply (tried to) update it when needed.
If a reasonable amount of protected space is given round an area you shouldn't be able touch what is inside easily at all.


Clearing areas is, or at least should be, just as much a task as building. One can hardly take as much pride in a landscaping job that took a few seconds to make an ugly square as they could if they'd made the area themselves.
Well, it was their choice to ask for me to do it with cuboid. Not mine or yours.
If they chose to have it cuboided then that is clearly what they want.
So how in anyway does what you think stop this from being something that every user CAN (NOT DOES) benefit from.
Not to mention cuboid can be used to import areas from a backup.


BlockLogger is quite useful I'll agree, but isn't worth mentioning in this discussion as I'm on about the actual tools, not server maintenance add-ons.
The players benefit from it so it counts.



The new teleport was never added so not a valid point, also not all that necessary.
It would of been updated if Dan would take a few minutes to replace files.


Anyone who manages to accidentally fill a room with obsidian deserves the job of clearing it up. Enough to take 2 hours could never be done by accident unless you use cuboid, which as mentioned we never got. UberAxe is far more useful as a griefing tool (trust) than a building one.
It was an example, maybe removing unwanted bricks would of been a better example.
And the reason it had a overuse limit was to limit greifing that could be done with it.


Firefighter obviously didn't work all that well when hulahoop burned down the village, and when making wooden buildings you really ought to be careful with lava anyway. A neat tool perhaps (not that I ever saw it working very well) but not necessary.
It saved the whole village at least once.
The current version worked fantastic on fire (not great on lava but the update would of sorted that).
It was one of the most effective and useful plugins I have seen.
Saying it is not needed is like saying that real fire fighters aren't needed.
Even real fire fighters are useless if they don't know it is on fire. Think about it.


If you really think that the only normal way to clear your inventory is to spam Q then you really need to explore the game a bit more. Maybe if you didn't have so many extra tools you'd learn how to do things manually.
I never said you had to spam Q.
Simply placing your inventory items outside the inventory window will throw the whole slot away.
But you still have to spend a fair bit of time doing so.
Who wants to spent time getting rid of what they don't want when they could be doing something creative?


As for the flying thing, if you already had it in your test list why were you trying to be smug saying it's client side only and won't work? Or to go from the other angle, if you really believe it wouldn't work why was it in your test list? You can't claim that it being a different type of addition really threw you off that much, surely
A mod modifies files.
The client side boat thing modifies the boat. The server cannot modify the client.
The server side flyRidgeFly uses the plugin system in Hey0. Nothing is modifed, just expanded.

Seeing as I had seen the boat replacement discussed before and the wording fitted the description of mod was correct, Not to mention I haven't seen flyRidgeFly discussed before, I feel this was a fair assumption to make.

Besides, the boat works by making it part of the game.
The plugin works by simply teleporting you very regularly.

So yes, I can quite fairly explain how I was mistaken.



So once again, you really haven't proved anything with that reply..

[Josh]

Wow **** happened when I was asleep. Can we keep the arguing to a minimum because Dan is going to actually pull the plug and not just threaten/warn us of it? I think most of us can agree Cecer is an issue and that's fine. There's just too much on the server and I liked it small and basic when we were all equal but obviously that's changed and that's why I don't go on the server much.

[Firehorse]

Ok, flying is now enabled. To fly spawn a feather, right click to enable and hold down left mouse to take jumps in that direction. Pointing straight down will give a vertical boost. Right click the feather on a block after your flight to disable flying.

[Verrou]

Why are you guys arguing o_O The server is awesome and I have a good time on it?

EDIT: Wooooaah the server has muffed up big time :/ Whole chunks have shifted sideways :/

[FlyingJesus]

So how in anyway does what you think stop this from being something that every user CAN (NOT DOES) benefit from.

Are you deliberately not reading what I'm saying or are you actually just that stupid? As I've said again and again, these things are not necessary


The players benefit from it so it counts.

Well no it doesn't because like I said it's not a game tool... which is kinda what this discussion's been about


Saying it is not needed is like saying that real fire fighters aren't needed.
Even real fire fighters are useless if they don't know it is on fire. Think about it.

Wow. Really? You equate the skilled and stressful job of a real life firefighter who saves lives daily to a Minecraft tool for stopping flames (which can be done by clicking on them anyway)? Not sure why you're on about not seeing the fire btw considering my example was chunkerchop spilling lava everywhere which was clearly seen by plenty of people including himself


I never said you had to spam Q.
Simply placing your inventory items outside the inventory window will throw the whole slot away.
But you still have to spend a fair bit of time doing so.
Who wants to spent time getting rid of what they don't want when they could be doing something creative?

God forbid someone has to take 20 seconds to do a job when we could be busy crashing the server


A mod modifies files.
The client side boat thing modifies the boat. The server cannot modify the client.
The server side flyRidgeFly uses the plugin system in Hey0. Nothing is modifed, just expanded.

Seeing as I had seen the boat replacement discussed before and the wording fitted the description of mod was correct, Not to mention I haven't seen flyRidgeFly discussed before, I feel this was a fair assumption to make.

Besides, the boat works by making it part of the game.
The plugin works by simply teleporting you very regularly.

So yes, I can quite fairly explain how I was mistaken

I would seriously worry about my brain capacity if I had to focus so meticulously on such distinctions before being able to work out a very simple answer and instead would claim something can't be done knowing full well that it can


I think most of us can agree Cecer is an issue

lol

Dan, congrats on getting flying up and running (or up and floating as it may be), I could have sworn it was only posted about last night but Cecer said you take days and weeks to make any updates and we all know Cecer's always right so I must be mistaken in thinking that you got it going quickly

[Verrou]

Quit hating -.-

-
*REMOVED*

And the server is rly ****** or something :/ It's reverted to a few days ago or something :SSSSS

Edited by eSocks (Forum Moderator): Please do not post images which contain filtered words, or may be seen as rude by others.

[FlyingJesus]

If you mean a load of stuff's gone that's because it all got burned down

[Josh]

Nah Tom, it's chunk errors, some's been moved.

[Verrou]

I give up on this server :/ Anyone have new suggestions? 24/7 ones etc?

[FlyingJesus]

What how have they managed to shift the chunks around lol and Verrou there are plenty of 24/7s but none that I've been on and really liked yet, however we're getting continuous VPS servers up at CreeperCraft (http://www.creepercraft.co.uk) within the next week or so with any luck and as far as I'm aware Dan's still trying to get this one up on a VPS to make it 24/7 too, so should have a couple to choose from soon within the community

[Verrou]

Schweet.

[xxMATTGxx]

I give up on this server :/ Anyone have new suggestions? 24/7 ones etc?

Wait, what problems are you actually facing? I was on before re-building and I didn't have any problems.

[Josh]

Wait, what problems are you actually facing? I was on before re-building and I didn't have any problems.

chunk errors i think

[Oleh]

I havent had any problems with the server.. yes i have had my small creations wiped a few times. but they were unnessecary creations which didnt add anything but massive tunnel systems. which is all more fun one done again

[xxMATTGxx]

chunk errors i think

Noob Question: What are chunk errors?

Posts merged by eSocks (Forum Moderator): Double post caused by forum lag.

[dbgtz]

why the hell was flicker unbanned? :// he just put some lava somewhere

[FlyingJesus]

chunk errors i think
I havent had any problems with the server..

Don't think he was on about you when he said chunk problems


why the hell was flicker unbanned? :// he just put some lava somewhere

Prob whatever backup was put on didn't have him recorded as banned, not 100% on that though

[Verrou]

You can't place lava anyway. And chunk error meaning that a few chunks (16x16 blocks of land) have shifted to the side, slicing buildings in half and moving them sideways.

[Oleh]

Don't think he was on about you when he said chunk problems


He said errors not problems. BOYO!

[Stephen]

am i using the flying thing right or is it not working

[dbgtz]

yeah it wont work for me

[Stephen]

lol i got visions of everyone on the server just waving a feather about

[Jamesy]

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3663961/dungeon.png
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3663961/dungeon2.png

woo we found some dungeons

[xxMATTGxx]

http://mattgarner.net/upload/images/1288041266.png

Me and Jamesy found this massive pool of Lava underground. :D

[FlyingJesus]

Spiders :D did you cheat using cartos and stuff or was it luck exploring underground? Also totally looks like you're about to shove Jamesy into the lava lake

[Apple]

Nice find! I came across spiders on single player and literally crapped myself.

[Firehorse]

Fixed flicker's ban. Flying should be working but i'll need to enable it every time the server runs for just the moment. Also could someone show me one of these block errors...

[xxMATTGxx]

Spiders :D did you cheat using cartos and stuff or was it luck exploring underground? Also totally looks like you're about to shove Jamesy into the lava lake

Nope, me and Jamesy went into our boats and started sailing and eventually found this place and just wondered around then started digging and found these places. :P

[dbgtz]

can we have lava yet? I really need it for vegas.

[CECER1]

I think most of us can agree Cecer is an issue and that's fine.
Funny how out of all the communities I have been part of this is the only one that has a negative view on me - must be something wrong with you lot.


Are you deliberately not reading what I'm saying or are you actually just that stupid? As I've said again and again, these things are not necessary

Well no it doesn't because like I said it's not a game tool... which is kinda what this discussion's been about
I am defiantly reading you are putting, you are clearly the one that is not reading what I am posting.
Well, I don't know what you are talking about but I am talking about what has been improved due to me.
It doesn't matter if it is required or not - it is still an improvement.



Wow. Really? You equate the skilled and stressful job of a real life firefighter who saves lives daily to a Minecraft tool for stopping flames (which can be done by clicking on them anyway)? Not sure why you're on about not seeing the fire btw considering my example was chunkerchop spilling lava everywhere which was clearly seen by plenty of people including himself
I was using real fire fighters to explain why it doesn't always work. How in any way at all was I trying to compare the difficulty?
And besides, clicking on each flame only for them to reignite is hardly as effective as removing the all fire near you.


God forbid someone has to take 20 seconds to do a job when we could be busy crashing the server
With a full inventory it can take longer.
And where the hell "crashing the server" come from? If you are simply bring up the /eb errors again then obviously didn't read my explanation of that.
And if it is so useless, why was it requested a lot?


I would seriously worry about my brain capacity if I had to focus so meticulously on such distinctions before being able to work out a very simple answer and instead would claim something can't be done knowing full well that it can
You defiantly didn't read what I put then (or was unable to understand).
POINT A: I HAD PREVIOUSLY SEEN THE BOAT MOD DISCUSSED!
POINT B: I HAD NOT SEEN THE FLYRIDGEFLY PLUGIN DISCUSSED!
POINT C: IT WAS REFERED TO AS THE FLIGHT MOD (Or something like that)

I PUT POINT A, POINT B AND POINT C TOGETHER TO COME UP WITH A DECISION - HARDLY MUCH BRAIN POWER REQUIRED!

Are you seriously saying I am of lower intelligence because I know the difference between the a mod and a plugin?
By your reasoning I gain intelligence by being unable to tell the difference between pine planks and oak planks. BECAUSE I AM NOT A CARPENTER - I AM A SOFTWARE DEVELOPER!


Dan, congrats on getting flying up and running (or up and floating as it may be), I could have sworn it was only posted about last night but Cecer said you take days and weeks to make any updates and we all know Cecer's always right so I must be mistaken in thinking that you got it going quickly
Well of cause Dan will get it done quicker, he doesn't have to wait for him self.

[FlyingJesus]

Funny how out of all the communities I have been part of this is the only one that has a negative view on me - must be something wrong with you lot.

Just wow...


I am defiantly reading you are putting, you are clearly the one that is not reading what I am posting.
Well, I don't know what you are talking about but I am talking about what has been improved due to me.
It doesn't matter if it is required or not - it is still an improvement.

I know that's what you're on about, that's why what you're saying isn't relevant because it's not what the discussion started about lol


With a full inventory it can take longer.

Ok 36 seconds then


Are you seriously saying I am of lower intelligence because I know the difference between the a mod and a plugin?

Nope. Not what I said

[Firehorse]

Please stop this guys, the last thing I want is this thread closed due to arguments.

[FlyingJesus]

Surely it's preferable to being sat on by Graham but fair enough

How come flying needs to be set up every time the server goes on? That doesn't sound quite right

[crazed]

Nice find! I came across spiders on single player and literally crapped myself.


Haha, that happened to me too ;)

[CECER1]

Just wow...
Well, here a few examples...

Habbz & Nabbo
Position: Technician
Access: Everything (Except finance)
Seen As: Extremely respected
Time Spent: 15 Months+

DKR Freeroam++
Position: Player
Access: Member Rights (Staff Recommendation Only)
Seen As: Highly respected
Time Spent: Nearly a year and still going

CrazyBobs CnR
Position: Player
Access: Regular Player Rights (Staff Recommendation Only)
Seen As: Respected
Time Spent: On and off over a few years and still going

RaGEZONE
Position: Member
Access: Member
Seen As: Respected
Time Spent: At least 3 years and still going

Not to mention some of the closer friends I regularly help out on MSN.



Craig
Florian
Isaac
Jess
Justin
Masood
Michelle
Orison


To name a few.

The biggest difference between the above and this community is...
With Habbz and Nabbo I fixed bugs and released new features - people were always appreciative.
With you lot I was amazed how little you guys seemed to appreciate new stuff.


I know that's what you're on about, that's why what you're saying isn't relevant because it's not what the discussion started about lol

This part of the argument is about "not having new features you can use" (rough quote).
You are very narrow minded if you only include use as something you can control directly.
Surely if someone's experience changes when it is there they are using it (be it indirectly).


Ok 36 seconds then
The time isn't important, the fact of the matter is that it was helpful and it was used!



Nope. Not what I said
Remember that I had just explained that a mod and a plugin at different.
You then proceeded to reply with:

I would seriously worry about my brain capacity if I had to focus so meticulously on such distinctions before being able to work out a very simple answer and instead would claim something can't be done knowing full well that it can
Now the fact that they are very different is clear to me - I didn't even have to think about it
Please explain any reason that I would of had to think it was not the boat mod?

[FlyingJesus]

I could name all sorts of things I've done and claim to be highly respected and loved by all but regardless of whether it's true or not it wouldn't make a difference to present experience. You can't expect everyone to love you just because a few 13 year olds thought you were clever in the past.

and lol@adding places where you were simply a member


Please explain any reason that I would of had to think it was not the boat mod?

Because you knew there were others :S anyway I'm just repeating myself now and you'll still not getting it, so as Dan requested I'm stopping it here

[Firehorse]

80% of the spawn seems to be missing.. working on getting a backup on the latest one possible!

Edit:

Ok, found a working backup from half past 9. At least it's not from 5 days ago! Or even half a day ago! I remember this happened once before on the old wrapper where half the blocks seemed to have mysteriously dissapeared. If you find this happens again report it asap (to other players as well as me since it would mean whatever they do since the last working backup would be wiped).

[Verrou]

So is my house and road to it less ****** up now? lol And oh em ef gee. Didn't think dangerous mobs could spawn on SMP!

[FlyingJesus]

They do no damage on SMP as far as I know, but just a thought.. spawn cages (when allowed by the server) placed by players will only spawn pigs, but I wonder if one were to use the cuboid tool to copy/paste a dungeon spawn into daylight could one possibly make top-level spider farms :D

[jackass]

Yeah, I made a meat dispenser a while back, where inside the building were several pig spawners, with a LOT of pigs coming out of them. Only bad thing was, was that it crashed the server when you went near it. :(

[CECER1]

I could name all sorts of things I've done and claim to be highly respected and loved by all but regardless of whether it's true or not it wouldn't make a difference to present experience. You can't expect everyone to love you just because a few 13 year olds thought you were clever in the past.
My point is, this is the first and only time I have been seen in a negative way by a community.
So it is fairly reasonable to assume that the odds are it is something wrong with this community and not me.
Here is my logical reasoning if you would like:

Habbz Average User Count: 475 at a time.
Nabbo Average User Count: N/A (most moved to Habbz with me, but it was about 40 at a time).
DKR Freeroam++ Average User Count: 100 at a time.
CraxyBob's CnR Average User Count: 190 at a time.
RaGEZONE Average User Count: Unknown (very active forum, best guess about 50 regulars).

Stuto's Server Average User Count: 7 at a time.



Positive User Count = 475+100+190+50 = 815
Negative User Count = 7 = 7

Total User Count = 815 + 7 = 822



This community is a tiny 0.8%
That is over 116 users for each of you.

So by using that data I can logically assume that there is a 99.2% chance of you being the problem?
Only an idiot would think that 99.2% of people are wrong.




and lol@adding places where you were simply a member
I added one place where I was purely a member (RaGEZONE).
In the section I use I am one of the best developers there (and this isn't self judged before you moan).
So just because I don't have awesome rank doesn't matter - this is about how I am viewed there.


Because you knew there were others :S anyway I'm just repeating myself now and you'll still not getting it, so as Dan requested I'm stopping it here
Well if you consider the three points I previously mentioned, anyone with any understanding of probability will agree that the chances of it being anything other than the boat mod were quite low.
As such, the flyRidgeFly plugin (which I last looked at about 3 days before) never even crossed my mind.
Also, I don't see how there being something that...


Rapidly teleports the user.
Runs server side.
Extends server functionality
Had never been discussed (that I had seen at least).

could in anyway be a reason to even consider it even similar to something that...


Removes gravity and adds new control systems.
Runs client side.
Overwrites client functionality
Had been discussed.


The only thing they have in common is that they both allow you travel the Y Axis easier.
flyRidgeFly doesn't even fly. You simple teleport as you fall.




And the reason I go into so much detail and effort is because I enjoy it.
I find it fun to forward on your responses to others* and then see their total disbelief at your total lack of reason.

* Ages range from 15-60+

If you really want to deny the logic and reason here then feel free to PM me.
If not we can end it here.

[FlyingJesus]

Only an idiot would think that 99.2% of people are wrong.

So now we're WRONG to not like you? My bad, I didn't realise that having a few guys on MTA sites like you meant everyone else had to, but congratulations on apparently only knowing people online


I added one place where I was purely a member (RaGEZONE).

DKR Freeroam++
Position: Player
Access: Member Rights
CrazyBobs CnR
Position: Player
Access: Regular Player Rights
RaGEZONE
Position: Member
Access: Member

Gonna be honest that looks like 3


I don't see how there being something that...


Rapidly teleports the user.
Runs server side.
Extends server functionality
Had never been discussed (that I had seen at least).

could in anyway be a reason to even consider it even similar to something that...


Removes gravity and adds new control systems.
Runs client side.
Overwrites client functionality
Had been discussed.


I could safely walk across hot coals by either going fast enough for it not to burn me or by wearing shoes. The outcome is the same despite a different method, it really doesn't take a genius to work this out. It really would have been much easier for you to just say "sorry, my mistake, I thought you were talking about a specific version" than to try using probability to come to the conclusion that none of us are capable of a Google search for an alternative - considering it had already been pointed out that the boat version was client side only, *+*pRoBaBiLiTy SaYs We WoUlDn'T kEeP oN tHiNkInG iT wOuLd WoRk AnD WoUlD iNsTeAd LoOk FoR sOmEtHiNg ElSe*+*. Hey look, I can use maths too, and mine makes actual sense


And the reason I go into so much detail and effort is because I enjoy it.
I find it fun to forward on your responses to others* and then see their total disbelief at your total lack of reason.

* Ages range from 15-60+

That is truly hilarious, you're so worked up about not being liked that you've decided to show some "followers" from totally outside the situation just how right you are(n't). Kid, if you were so convinced about your own points you wouldn't need to validate them with groupies, however old they may or may not be

[Jahova]

Cecer1 is a good guy and decent programmer. He's been helping with this server, adding more features and trying to run it as efficiently and friendly as possible and everyone is having a go at him.

I don't even play this Minecraft game, but I've been following this thread and a lot of people are acting so childish towards each other.

[xxMATTGxx]

Cecer1 is a good guy and decent programmer. He's been helping with this server, adding more features and trying to run it as efficiently and friendly as possible and everyone is having a go at him.

I don't even play this Minecraft game, but I've been following this thread and a lot of people are acting so childish towards each other.

No they aren't? Not everyone is having a go at him we just wish for the whole thing to stop in this thread so the thread can carry on being normal about Stuto's server.

[FlyingJesus]

Not to state the obvious but you can't have an opinion about his conduct in this community if you haven't been a part of it. I fully accept that elsewhere he may well have been all the greatest things you could say of a programmer, but when entire ownership deals fall through because no-one here likes him, and when the server gets griefed heavily in retaliation to his poor handling of members, and when the server owner himself drops him from the project, it becomes quite clear that this was not his finest moment

[Jahova]

Not to state the obvious but you can't have an opinion about his conduct in this community if you haven't been a part of it. I fully accept that elsewhere he may well have been all the greatest things you could say of a programmer, but when entire ownership deals fall through because no-one here likes him, and when the server gets griefed heavily in retaliation to his poor handling of members, and when the server owner himself drops him from the project, it becomes quite clear that this was not his finest moment

Do people have a valid reason "not to like him"? For the short time that he's been here, he's been doing nothing but good from what I can see.

The server gets "griefed" heavily because; It's probably fun to do so or the person is just childish and likes ruining the game for other people - it's an online game, lmao!

[FlyingJesus]

So you haven't actually read the thread like you said you had I'm guessing..

[Jahova]

So you haven't actually read the thread like you said you had I'm guessing..

I've read about a dodgy backup system, banning people wrongly and houses being moved - hardly any major reasons not to like him.

On topic; By the way, I've decided I'm going to give this game a try. Multiplayer should be fun :)

[FlyingJesus]

It's more his holier-than-thou attitude towards it all than the actual events tbh - never seen him admit to being wrong or sincerely apologise, even when he acknowledged that he'd burnt down someone's work multiple times or been the cause of huge server problems at the start.

But yeah, it's a really great game and despite what it may look like this is a pretty decent community for the most part, definitely worth the £8 or whatever it is the exchange rate brings it to now. Also the worlds are absolutely massive (the one on Stuto's server is 8x the size of Earth lol) so there ought to be a space somewhere for anything you'd possibly care to build :D

[Jahova]

Look forward to playing, when's the server usually online?

[Firehorse]

Look forward to playing, when's the server usually online?

Right now...

Mostly weekday evenings and all day weekends (GMT). Also we've found a vps but it isn't a possibility without donations at the moment.

[Verrou]

Feather isn't working for me...I don't get it.

[Firehorse]

Feather isn't working for me...I don't get it.

holdon, i'll come and enable it.

[Jahova]

Can I get onto the server via; http://www.minecraft.net/servers.jsp because getting onto servers using this method is free (for me atleast)?

[Firehorse]

Can I get onto the server via; http://www.minecraft.net/servers.jsp because getting onto servers using this method is free (for me atleast)?

That is for the classic version of the game

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[Jahova]

Oh - never realised that!

[Verrou]

Uh oh, I threw down those bridge blocks on SMP in front of me and now whenever I login it d/cs me because the server doesn't recognise the block type I guess D;