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immense
18-10-2010, 10:09 PM
Don't read if you're not going to TEAR THEM TO PIECES / agree / post something good yeah.
Habbox – what has gone wrong?
Now I’m not going to place all the blame with the current management. That would be grossly unfair. It would be like Liverpool fans blaming Roy Hodgson for their sorry state of affairs. It would be wrong to say that any of the current senior heads have done anything wrong. They haven’t. However, management aren’t free from blame in all of this. If we look at successful General Management teams – they have put Habbox first. This is no longer the case. The current management are all very much forum based and the impetus is with the forum. The site has declined because of this unequal balance and inevitably it has now struck the forum which we all have to agree on has seen better days. Habbox (I will use Habbox to talk about the site) and HxF for the forum is the most important part. Simple. 8freak8 knew this. ---MAD--- knew this. Both of these made changes to the site as and when they saw fit. They were the last General Managers to think up new, exciting ideas for the site.
It is easy to try and satisfy people on the forum because that’s where the moaners (people like me) come from. However, the most important people in keeping the forum and site busy are potential users / visitors. All businesses know this. For example, banks often offer you incentives to join them. Of course, Habbox can’t offer incentives but it can realise that it is potential users they have to attract. How can they? By offering new and exciting material. Simple. The site is awfully out-dated and I’m sure it was going to be revamped in spring – we’re now quickly approaching winter. Of course, there might be delays and I’m sure there are endless excuses for this. Excuses don’t bring users.
If you don’t make some changes with the site – then it’s the beginning of the end. Dramatic? Maybe. The truth? I think so. Habboxlive has to cease to exist, it has failed miserably lately. The previous ‘regime’ went on far too long. It has to be merged with Habbox and HxL used no more. I assume this would save money too? It might be pennies, I might be wrong, I’m clueless. It’s not about money though; it’s about making Habbox as a whole more manageable and more user friendly.
Although, I’m permanently banned and seen as a trouble maker on Habbox I think I’ m one of a handful of perhaps as few as five who genuinely want to see it come good and I’m more prepared to face the people who say I care too much for something online but Habbox has really helped me with certain things in my life and I know there are others like me.
That is somewhat irrelevant and I am known for going off at a tangent. Client advertising could potentially help considerably. I recently got the richest user on the game to have an interview with Habbox. I organised this on the client and hooked him up with Garion who I’m sure sorted it from there. My point is, Habbox is a big power and if they hired somebody well known on Habbo to help them with advertising it could go a long way. I think many of the top casinos would happily put habbox.com in their descriptions and give you a sticky in the room too. I think small things like this could go a long way.
Whilst we’re taking about a client, this is an idea I put forward to ---MAD--- two years ago which never got implemented but alas I will present it again. A Habbox Hallway – basically, you ask some of the most popular rooms on Habbo (casinos/schools/Hogwarts/mafias) – whatever if they will put a tele in their room which connects to a Habbox Hallway. In return, they get their room advertised on Habbox.com. In this hallway all the best rooms will be connected but the room will be designed so that the tele that leads to HxHD or any other official Habbox rooms are the most appealing (perhaps place in the middle of the room). This could bring hundreds more people into HxHD who in turn could possibly use Habbox.
I think you need to contact really popular sites such as habbotimes.de and ask them if they want HabboxForum to be their official UK Forum. It wouldn’t have to be anything official. You could explain to them their fansite is huge in UK and that you’d be willing to give them an advertisement slot if they were to link to HxF. Of course, this isn’t possible if they have their own UK Forum (I don’t think they do however).
Staffing – I’ve said this before. You need to begin to look at management and wonder if they’d still use Habbox without their role. Some General Management don’t even post on the forum and I think that’s an essential part of the role, people don’t really know who they are. 8freak8 was an ecelebrity on Habbo and was known by a lot of people – not just regular uses of Habbox. If xxMattGxx came into a room only those who were closely linked with Habbox would have an idea who he is and even then they’d probably call him forum manager or something. My point is that you need:
• Interactive management
In the sense they will get involved with users and become well known, whether that’s for posting loads or being at a lot of Habbox events is irrelevant.
• Dedicated Management
Would you current management use Habbox if their job titled was removed? -:Undertaker:- would. Does ,Jess, use it now? Does Garion? (I don’t actually know if they do because I don’t use it half as much as I used to myself!) I just haven’t seen them lately. I’m going to give some people an ego boost now that will probably see them put it in their signatures and go crazy BUT people like Jordy, -:Undertaker:-, Robbie, Pyroka, Richie will use this forum until the end – I think all of the above would be more than willing to help Habbox in some way or another. Basically, I’m saying they should be management and run this thing but I guess that’s a tad rude to current management. I didn’t just pick my friends because anyone who is in the know around here knows that Richie and I don’t get on.
• Powerful people with power!
You can’t have pushovers. Look at the best staff members – 8freak8 - ---MAD--- - nvrspk4 – Immenseman did they take crap? No they didn’t. I’m sure nobody will have anything to say about the individuals I chose there.
The technical problems are fixed now but they won’t be forever? It’s perfectly normal for websites to have technical issues. Seeing as Jamesy is technically minded and has Administrative powers on the forum would it really be that dangerous to upping his capabilities and allowing him to have access to server and fix issues. Obviously, I don’t know if that even makes sense or what access certain people have. Basically, Jamesy could have the same power as Jin – theoretically it doubles the chances of a serious ‘attack’ but it would ensure problems can be sorted quicker. This isn’t a criticism of MattG (basically saying he can’t do techy stuff if you wondered why he’d be insulted) or Jin (who I know has more considerable things than Habbox in his life).
Now for the forum – Habbox is just too old. The skins are good but they need to be simple and slim – that’s the most attractive way for things to be. ClubHabbo have this down to an absolute tee. I think you could probably get something done for free if not very cheap if you agreed to advertise their site at the very bottom. Something like this skin was made by www.sitenamehere.com – you catch my drift. People still see HxF as more confusing than other sites and I don’t know why that is. I would make a new account but I’d probably be permed and accused of all sorts as per.
I also think you should make it so people can hide post/rep/join date. Habbox has been around for so long that people don’t think they can fit in. Sure the members with the ‘best’ of those list of things above aren’t going to hide their info but someone who joins today could hide theirs and not have to be seen as a ‘newbie’. (this is a test to see if anyone reads this – if you read this – start your reply with the word banana) Habbox has tackled them being victimised and made usergroup changes – I think this could work too. Maybe even reset rep (lol…)
Mass unban. Not just for me! Keep me banned if you think that’s what it’s about. Make a new usergroup. Put all banned users in there. Make it so they get permed if they get two infractions in the first month or something? I don’t know. Email them informing them of this change. I say this because when you see an old thread. Select a random one from 2005/6 almost half of the users are banned. Sure, there might be fireworks for the first few weeks but anything is better than nothing! I know this is controversial but I think it could be incredibly successful.
Mass email. Send an email to all registered users telling them about the new Habbox and all the exciting changes you have planned. People might moan and say they don’t want to be spammed but who gives a ****. Companies in the real world don’t ever let you forget they exist, let Habbox be the same. Ram it down peoples throats if you have to. Perhaps instead of writing this I should have made and printed out leaflets and handed them around Lancaster city centre – would have taken less time!
Be lenient. Let people argue within reason. Do something revolutionary. Scrap all rules and make one rule “use common sense” let moderators penalise for what they think needs penalising. Obviously cover yourself with “we reserve the right to ban/infract you” and all that tish tosh.
As you can see the last four points are very controversial and maybe not the best thought out but I have never seen Habbox like this before and perhaps, just perhaps that is what it needs to waken it from its slumber. I don’t want people replying saying Habbox always has ups and downs – yes it does. I am 100% sure that it has never been like this in my 4+ years of actively using this forum.
Anyway, I’ve just seen this is almost 2k words which is quite frankly ridiculous. Almost as long as my HxF ban appeal. So I will summarise it which will also make it easier for those who reply to quote and relay their ideas back to me. (Only just saved this for the first time, risky).
• Don’t blame current management – the signs were there for a while.
• Habbox (site) is more important than Forum – get working on that.
• New material for Habbox – teens corner, persuade Jin. What else?
• Merge HabboxLive and Habbox
• Get well known Habbos to advertise Habbo in their rooms
• Put teles in the most popular Habbo rooms and create a Habbox mall type thing – link to HxHD too.
• Ask popular foreign Habbo fansites (habbotimes) if they want Habbox to be their UK based forum.
• From now on only choose management who are dedicated, powerful, interact and actively use Habbo (being known is a preference – yes shallow but does undoubtedly help).
• Allow Jamesy or someone else who can do techy stuff the same access as Jin or enough to be able to fix things.
• One new forum skin. Slim. Neutral colours. SMALL BANNER. Cute. For teenagers.
• Allow people to hide rep/join date/post count – reset rep? :O
• Mass unban
• Email all userbase
• Be more lenient with rules / scrap all rules apart from use common sense
Jamesy
18-10-2010, 10:30 PM
-- I have seperated all ones that do not affect the forum directly, as I do not have experience in these --
• Habbox (site) is more important than Forum – get working on that.
It's being worked on and yes I agree, I am quite strange in believing the site should come first and do find it sometimes frustrating that, for example Easter this year, the forum seemed to be the one that carried the custom skins and variation when the site sat unchanged. With v6 (ohoh yes falling back on this lovely excuse) there are some pretty hot plans for the site and the forum as well. Obviously I cannot reveal them but you're not going to be disapointed.
• Allow Jamesy or someone else who can do techy stuff the same access as Jin or enough to be able to fix things.
I thank you for your belief in me but I would blow the place higher than a crack addict on a saturday night, I do think more power should be delegated in this sense though. Especially over summer when people get server banned for mistyping passwords and Matt was unable to unban them I think this should be something delegated to him for sure.
• One new forum skin. Slim. Neutral colours. SMALL BANNER. Cute. For teenagers.
Well I am hoping V6 skin can acheive this. I have no plans for any other skins apart from the v6 and christmas ones, however I can always factor your suggestions into these! You will see with the halloween one I have dropped the full width header which came up a few weeks back :). But if I get time in my busy schedule I can always see at a later date.
• Allow people to hide rep/join date/post count – reset rep?
It's a possibility I suppose, I'm not sure how rampant joindate elitism is here and besides which the rank system gives away the rough postcount of a user. Resetting rep is an unusual one. I think it would be met with staunch opposition from everyone.
• Mass unban
Something close potentially in future. Can't say much since I have not discussed formally with upper management.
• Email all userbase
I think this would be brilliant at the launch of v6. If we could somehow tie lots and lots of reforms into this period it would make a big impact!
• Be more lenient with rules / scrap all rules apart from use common sense
As ever I am always keen to hear suggestions for specific rules, I do believe in a common sense approach - although I tend to believe users should demonstrate it a bit more, not all - just some. It will be a slow process but it's one I don't see as impossible.
Sorry to meet your mountain of words with my somewhat shorter replies! x)
Banana, some very good points there, i think management really need to read this thread :)
Nice points
Hecktix
18-10-2010, 10:41 PM
I have read it, I'm gonna reply using the summary though to make all of our lives easier!
Replies in red:
• Habbox (site) is more important than Forum – get working on that.
Absolutely correct here, Habbox needs to get the new site out ASAP, I know there's a deadline and it's currently being worked towards but I really want to beat this deadline and get our new, unique website out there and provide Habbos with the ultimate fansite experience - as that's the only thing we can aim for really.
• New material for Habbox – teens corner, persuade Jin. What else?
I think it was you who suggested something like this before when I was Forum Manager, it was a really good idea and I think the content department should really take it on board - HINT HINT JIN, V6 CODERS AND ALKAZ.
• Merge HabboxLive and Habbox
This is necessary, HabboxLive has been very successful on its own however now they are in desperate times, I've seen the graphs, they aren't pretty (they aren't any less pretty than most other fansites mind) and something needs doing, I think a merge between the two sites would be a good first step and I think this is going to happen in the not so distant future.
• Get well known Habbos to advertise Habbo in their rooms
• Put teles in the most popular Habbo rooms and create a Habbox mall type thing – link to HxHD too.
I like this idea and I believe something like this got started, not sure what happened with it although that seems to be the story of Habbox more often than not, I know Roxy has good ideas for Habbo presence we should just get on with getting it all implemented.
• Ask popular foreign Habbo fansites (habbotimes) if they want Habbox to be their UK based forum.
I like the idea, it would depend on Jin agreeing as of course it is his website (i'm sure sierk would agree though aha), it would also be good to affiliate ourselves with other popular resource sites such as HabboGallery.net and perhaps even puhekepla or whatever it is.
• From now on only management who are dedicated, powerful, interact and actively use Habbo (being known is a preference – yes shallow but does undoubtedly help).
Famous management aren't always the best management, it's about dedication to Habbox and whether they know the role they are in and can fulfil it.
• Allow Jamesy or someone else who can do techy stuff the same access as Jin or enough to be able to fix things.
Giving xxMATTGxx server access would be useful, he is also quite technically minded and wouldn't break too much I don't think....
• One new forum skin. Slim. Neutral colours. SMALL BANNER. Cute. For teenagers.
Not my cup of tea but I'm not the only user here, if others agree then we'll see what Forum Management say, although we're about to release one new skin and I think further skins are also in the pipeline, most of these are seasonal.
• Allow people to hide rep/join date/post count – reset rep? :O
I like the idea of people being able to reset their rep, although this could be a problem if someone got hacked or whatever. Hide rep, post count and join date may be an idea. Join date is useful when appointing staff through PM though.
• Mass unban
Garion highlighted a way of offering a kind of mass unban, I'm in support of this, I've let Jamesy know and it will be discussed soon between General and Forum Management.
• Email all userbase
Again, another good idea ALTHOUGH lets be honest, we do all regret putting our real email address on habboforum.net ;) - we can't get like that.
• Be more lenient with rules / scrap all rules apart from use common sense
I think more and more lenience is being applied day by day and it's working well, scrapping all the rules wouldn't work here at Habbox though.
Banana :)
Habbox (site) is more important than Forum – get working on that. - I agree, a lot of things on the Habbox site need to be sorted now. There has been whispers about all these things being changed, but none of us have seen anything actually done and not all of us know exactly what is being done. I definitely agree a lot more focus should be put back into the actual Habbox site.
Merge HabboxLive and Habbox - I think this was tried before, but failed didn't it? But then again, this was when HabboxLive had 200 listeners regularly, when I looked on the radio recently it was something like 30. This is a number newbie sites get if they're lucky. Maybe a giant over haul of Habbox and the merging of HabboxLive would 1) help re-populate Habbox, but also get the general listeners numbers up.
Get well known Habbos to advertise Habbo in their rooms - Again another advertising point. This is definitely something I agree Habbox needs. As well as HabboxLive being low in listeners, Events seem to be lower in attenders. I think Events and Live need to work together soon and find the best way in which to haul back in listeners/attenders. Using well known Habbos again will probably be a good way to do this. I remember ages ago when there used to be well known Habbos that did use this (much like yourself) and now..it seems they have better places?
Put teles in the most popular Habbo rooms and create a Habbox mall type thing – link to HxHD too. Much the same as above.
Ask popular foreign Habbo fansites (habbotimes) if they want Habbox to be their UK based forum. Much the same as above again, another advertising method which should definitely be considered! If these sites know how Habbox used to be and how popular it used to be, and learn of the things it is planning then this will be a great way to advertise Habbox.
One new forum skin. Slim. Neutral colours. SMALL BANNER. Cute. For teenagers. Not sure on this one. But I don't think the forum needs 8 non-mobile skins. Really they should have a Site Skin, Other-Habbo Skin, Non-Habbo Light Skin, Non-Habbo Dark Skin. The site skin can then be updated during season changes + site updates.
Allow people to hide rep/join date/post count – reset rep? - Disagree with the resetting of reputation. But The idea of hiding it so people feel equal is a good idea. Of course, (super) moderators and management would have to be able to see this information for a number of reasons, but I do believe this may help. I know I have personally judged certain people by the date they joined, and I know other people do it too!
Mass unban - If this were to happen, the Moderation team would have to be at it's strongest and prepared for this. As it could go either way, a huge amount of rule breaking, or a very active forum once more. I do agree though from looking at old threads, like half the users are banned.
Email all userbase - Another method of advertising so I definitely agree. Maybe even just a PM / notification to look at an announcement. Which could inform everyone of the planned updates and roughly when we can expect these updates.
Be more lenient with rules / scrap all rules apart from use common sense - This has been said so much, and I finally agree now. I think just the general "Use Common Sense" rule makes sense. Obviously things like offensive/targetting/etc. would fall under common sense. This would also remove the complaints by users saying that it isn't fair etc. I also think the pointless posting rule has got a bit more lenient, but is still pointless itself. Of course something such as someone randomly posting an immature image or randomly saying "ROFLMAO" would be dealt with, but again Common Sense should be used in general and maybe just have a few general guidelines for the forum as a whole.
Wow, I think that's the biggest post I've ever made :)
Very good points! Maybe you should be back in management :L
+REP
jake, i agree with almost everything you've posted. i think management should get a grip and take his points to heart.
but they won't. :)
+rep.
immense
18-10-2010, 10:47 PM
My elaborate ploy, i.e. two hours of writing my fabulous ideas all to get some rep has worked a treat. I'm going for a shower and I will reply then. I have been told Pyroka is going to rape all my points.
Pyroka
18-10-2010, 10:51 PM
Now I’m not going to place all the blame with the current management. That would be grossly unfair. It would be like Liverpool fans blaming Roy Hodgson for their sorry state of affairs. It would be wrong to say that any of the current senior heads have done anything wrong. They haven’t. However, management aren’t free from blame in all of this. If we look at successful General Management teams – they have put Habbox first. This is no longer the case. The current management are all very much forum based and the impetus is with the forum. The site has declined because of this unequal balance and inevitably it has now struck the forum which we all have to agree on has seen better days. Habbox (I will use Habbox to talk about the site) and HxF for the forum is the most important part. Simple. 8freak8 knew this. ---MAD--- knew this. Both of these made changes to the site as and when they saw fit. They were the last General Managers to think up new, exciting ideas for the site.
I agree with your opening statement fully. Habbox Management have primarily focused on the forum because it's the only userbase they have. The Joomla system isn't really used by the public, only by Staff meaning there cant be a community on the site. I also think HabboxLive doesn't get enough appreciation. 8Freak8 and ---MAD--- were good managers, regardless of the controversy of them leaving... Though I don't remember 8F8 actually leaving.
It is easy to try and satisfy people on the forum because that’s where the moaners (people like me) come from. However, the most important people in keeping the forum and site busy are potential users / visitors. All businesses know this. For example, banks often offer you incentives to join them. Of course, Habbox can’t offer incentives but it can realise that it is potential users they have to attract. How can they? By offering new and exciting material. Simple. The site is awfully out-dated and I’m sure it was going to be revamped in spring – we’re now quickly approaching winter. Of course, there might be delays and I’m sure there are endless excuses for this. Excuses don’t bring users.
STOP MAKING FILLER TEXT U SILLY MAN I CANT REPLY TO THIS
If you don’t make some changes with the site – then it’s the beginning of the end. Dramatic? Maybe. The truth? I think so. Habboxlive has to cease to exist, it has failed miserably lately. The previous ‘regime’ went on far too long. It has to be merged with Habbox and HxL used no more. I assume this would save money too? It might be pennies, I might be wrong, I’m clueless. It’s not about money though; it’s about making Habbox as a whole more manageable and more user friendly.
HabboxLive shouldn't be shut down... Simply rebranded and re-released as a fresh new product because currently HabboxLive is same old same old, it's got no real appeal & its userbase is old anyway. Avenues like iTunes playlists should be taken and promoted alot more, people will listen to HabboxLive on iTunes if they knew they could do so. The basic user doesnt, and the plus to HabboxLive on iTunes is that the destination to the server is saved as a file. Also a iPhone/Android application would benefit the forum for this, if they were to really take it seriously. In the end, revenue is revenue.
Although, I’m permanently banned and seen as a trouble maker on Habbox I think I’ m one of a handful of perhaps as few as five who genuinely want to see it come good and I’m more prepared to face the people who say I care too much for something onlin but Habbox has really helped me with certain things in my life and I know there are others like me.
You spoken the truth, thats why you were banned. The worst part about Habbox is that it bases people purely on there past, not on their present or future. Sure thats how employers work, they check your CV, contact you past references and what not, but this is a Habbo Forum where dedicated users are few and far between. You cant turn them away for making little mistakes, people mature over time & Habbox management should realise this.
That is somewhat irrelevant and I am known for going off at a tangent. Client advertising could potentially help considerably. I recently got the richest user on the game to have an interview with Habbox. I organised this on the client and hooked him up with Garion who I’m sure sorted it from there. My point is, Habbox is a big power and if they hired somebody well known on Habbo to help them with advertising it could go a long way. I think many of the top casinos would happily put habbox.com in their descriptions and give you a sticky in the room too. I think small things like this could go a long way.
Hiring them wouldn't be a good idea, creating a partnership with them sounds much better. Remember how important people promoting inside the client are, they're as important as the Forum Moderators who make sure people are polite, or as important as a good management structure. Without them, it could potentially fall apart. Plus the return from sponsoring users like that, giving them their own casino forums (in Trading section) or anything like that would be massive to Habbox. They've gotta get more involved, instead of being this exclusive secluded community for just the oldtimers.
Whilst we’re taking about a client, this is an idea I put forward to ---MAD--- two years ago which never got implemented but alas I will present it again. A Habbox Hallway – basically, you ask some of the most popular rooms on Habbo (casinos/schools/Hogwarts/mafias) – whatever if they will put a tele in their room which connects to a Habbox Hallway. In return, they get their room advertised on Habbox.com. In this hallway all the best rooms will be connected but the room will be designed so that the tele that leads to HxHD or any other official Habbox rooms are the most appealing (perhaps place in the middle of the room). This could bring hundreds more people into HxHD who in turn could possibly use Habbox.
It'd be a good idea. Ideas like this should be reconsidered, I don't think Habbox Management consider past ideas and think of them in the present because right now stuff like that would be great. I do think though Hallways may be a bit too extreme, perhaps just a Universal tag like HxR (For Habbox Room) would be good, so all you have to search is HxR for all the Habbox Rooms. Nobody wants to type out [HxR] imo, although it looks neat it's also a bit annoying for users... especially the lazy ones :P
I think you need to contact really popular sites such as habbotimes.de and ask them if they want HabboxForum to be their official UK Forum. It wouldn’t have to be anything official. You could explain to them their fansite is huge in UK and that you’d be willing to give them an advertisement slot if they were to link to HxF. Of course, this isn’t possible if they have their own UK Forum (I don’t think they do however).
This is why you should be in a position of authority in management, of some sort. Ideas like this are so good, I wouldnt have even thought of it. You think outside the box, and you're good at it. Contacting big sites like that would be a great idea to span out to a new userbase. Creating friendships with other fansite owners will thus help a network span out, it means that fansites like Habbox, Clubhabbo & HabboTimes can actually come together, share ideas and help eachother out, like a Fansite Forum (paha), but thats purely in the ideal world & as great as that'd be, you have to take ideas like that with a bit of salt.
Staffing – I’ve said this before. You need to begin to look at management and wonder if they’d still use Habbox without their role. Some General Management don’t even post on the forum and I think that’s an essential part of the role, people don’t really know who they are. 8freak8 was an ecelebrity on Habbo and was known by a lot of people – not just regular uses of Habbox. If xxMattGxx came into a room only those who were closely linked with Habbox would have an idea who he is and even then they’d probably call him forum manager or something. My point is that you need:
Agreed on this, xxMATTGxx uses Habbo alot and he's good at that. He also stays active with the Minecraft community, I mean it's a start isnt it? Thats the same with Jamesy too. Sarah (Transcripts), everytime I go on Habbo I see her, she's interacting with Habbos both off & on the forum. Roxy916 I see whilst at events sometimes, but I never see her on the forums posting. Other than that I think right now management are becoming alot more transparent in how they're posting on the forum and interacting with the community. It's nice.
• Interactive management
In the sense they will get involved with users and become well known, whether that’s for posting loads or being at a lot of Habbox events is irrelevant.
I'd say we already have this management style.
• Dedicated Management
Would you current management use Habbox if their job titled was removed? -:Undertaker:- would. Does ,Jess, use it now? Does Garion? (I don’t actually know if they do because I don’t use it half as much as I used to myself!) I just haven’t seen them lately. I’m going to give some people an ego boost now that will probably see them put it in their signatures and go crazy BUT people like Jordy, -:Undertaker:-, Robbie, Pyroka, Richie will use this forum until the end – I think all of the above would be more than willing to help Habbox in some way or another. Basically, I’m saying they should be management and run this thing but I guess that’s a tad rude to current management. I didn’t just pick my friends because anyone who is in the know around here knows that Richie and I don’t get on.
Agreed on that... & thanks for the ego boost you've made me non-emo, but the people you just named, ALL of them have made a great contribution to HabboxForum. I'll list why:
- Jordy was once a Moderator, going onto the path of Super Moderator. He was fired because in the past (funny how it catches up to you) he posted something on the Habbox Site whilst being a News Reporter, and was fired. Adzeh reported him, he lost his Moderator job which he was very good at. If he stayed at it now, he'd probably have been Forum Manager and then left, or he'd be a dedicated Super Moderator.
- Richie got fired despite providing HabboxLive with its radio for a while, being a great DJ, a good mentor to HabboxLive DJ's (because yes, I've seen in the HabboxLive forums & he's made alot of material for you guys), and yet he's still fired. I have no idea why, but I also have no idea why he can't be brought back. He even shown me a PM from MattGarner which said that there was a mistake in rehiring him as a trialist a month ago, and his trial was revoked. They didn't give him a reason, and given that he's done all of the above for Habbox, surely he would deserve one, or to have never had the trial retracted at all.
- -:Undertaker:- is a great member of staff who has been dedicated to Habbox for like ever. I'm not gonna lie I don't know much about the guy, but thats the thing about him. You know why he's at Habbox, you know he's good at his job (why else would he have taken the management position in Rare Values TWICE?) & yet he's been fired for reasons only management would know. He's good, he's dedicated, give him a little appreciation.
- Robbie I think is the most experienced guy on the forum, he's a site coder, he's trusted with Habbox coding and on the forum (even when he had permissions on the forum he never used them for malicious purposes), and yet he hasn't been made a Super Moderator, a position which both me and you (Jake) have been promoting him for. It's bonkers.
- Pyroka should be General Manager cuz he's awesome.
- On an ending note, Immenseman should be unbanned and given a job in whatever he pleases. Seriously, the guys dedicated. He gives this much feedback to Management and you don't think he'd be good as management? I dont get it. It's beyond me. Past is the past, move on.
You can’t have pushovers. Look at the best staff members – 8freak8 - ---MAD--- - nvrspk4 – Immenseman did they take crap? No they didn’t. I’m sure nobody will have anything to say about the individuals I chose there.
Innit, hard nuts. I admit Bolt660 is a bit of a pushover at times but I know he'd put his foot down if he had to. Of course I'm talking about the fact he didn't get asked to be AGM (Staff), and I know it's past events but he would've been good at the job and I'm sure Oli agrees. Irony that Oli was News Manager before Bolt, Oli left, Bolt becomes News Manager, Oli comes back and overranks him. How did that happen haha, nothing against either of them of course :)
The technical problems are fixed now but they won’t be forever? It’s perfectly normal for websites to have technical issues. Seeing as Jamesy is technically minded and has Administrative powers on the forum would it really be that dangerous to upping his capabilities and allowing him to have access to server and fix issues. Obviously, I don’t know if that even makes sense or what access certain people have. Basically, Jamesy could have the same power as Jin – theoretically it doubles the chances of a serious ‘attack’ but it would ensure problems can be sorted quicker. This isn’t a criticism of MattG (basically saying he can’t do techy stuff if you wondered why he’d be insulted) or Jin (who I know has more considerable things than Habbox in his life).
Agreed there should be more tech savvy people, but the problem with that is that you have 3-4 people maintaining the servers, it's gonna get confusing at times. There should be a technician for each department, whether that be Habbox, HabboxForum or HabboxLive, though the priority to HabboxForum for its sheer traffic. Jamesy should be given server access definetely, he's the forum manager. It would make more sense to put the forum on a seperate server to everything else now, or keep the forum on this server and move the rest out. It's too big to share.
Now for the forum – Habbox is just too old. The skins are good but they need to be simple and slim – that’s the most attractive way for things to be. ClubHabbo have this down to an absolute tee. I think you could probably get something done for free if not very cheap if you agreed to advertise their site at the very bottom. Something like this skin was made by www.sitenamehere.com (http://www.sitenamehere.com/) – you catch my drift. People still see HxF as more confusing than other sites and I don’t know why that is. I would make a new account but I’d probably be permed and accused of all sorts as per.
Yeah innit, simple, hardly any images, quick to load, mint. Hard to find skin designers though, it's usually one person doing them I think? I dunno who makes them nowadays, but they don't chug them out
I also think you should make it so people can hide post/rep/join date. Habbox has been around for so long that people don’t think they can fit in. Sure the members with the ‘best’ of those list of things above aren’t going to hide their info but someone who joins today could hide theirs and not have to be seen as a ‘newbie’. (this is a test to see if anyone reads this – if you read this – start your reply with the word banana) Habbox has tackled them being victimised and made usergroup changes – I think this could work too. Maybe even reset rep (lol…)
I see what you mean about this, especially with the join date. However I think someones suggested this in the past, but hey new Forum Manager, worth a try eh? Resetting rep would be a silly idea, however halfing it again wouldn't be a bad idea, or like doubling the values, pretty much just inflation innit lol. They did that in the past and it seemed to have to pay off, people still used the rep system. More Forum competitions would be nice, however it shouldnt be that you need to enter them, you should automatically be entered for using the forum. Also using the PM system to advertise events should be used alot more, it's never ever used like that and it really should!
Mass unban. Not just for me! Keep me banned if you think that’s what it’s about. Make a new usergroup. Put all banned users in there. Make it so they get permed if they get two infractions in the first month or something? I don’t know. Email them informing them of this change. I say this because when you see an old thread. Select a random one from 2005/6 almost half of the users are banned. Sure, there might be fireworks for the first few weeks but anything is better than nothing! I know this is controversial but I think it could be incredibly successful.
Unbanning would be good, also a mass pruning of users who havent logged in since a certain date needs to be done. It's probably safe to say that they won't be using their accounts anymore, and making more names available can only be a good thing! :)
Mass email. Send an email to all registered users telling them about the new Habbox and all the exciting changes you have planned. People might moan and say they don’t want to be spammed but who gives a ****. Companies in the real world don’t ever let you forget they exist, let Habbox be the same. Ram it down peoples throats if you have to. Perhaps instead of writing this I should have made and printed out leaflets and handed them around Lancaster city centre – would have taken less time!
Be lenient. Let people argue within reason. Do something revolutionary. Scrap all rules and make one rule “use common sense” let moderators penalise for what they think needs penalising. Obviously cover yourself with “we reserve the right to ban/infract you” and all that tish tosh.
Pretty much just covered that with the PM thing :P But yeah arguments within reason is good, though thats why they have the debates section. I'm sure by the time I post this, that point may have been highlighted already. OMG A Habbox Firefox addon would be minty, just like a sidebar for whenever you go onto Habbox sites, makes it easier for you to do things. Mind you, could do that with a Greasemonkey script too. Depends innit, a Habbox toolbar yknow like Habbo has, thatd be good.
As you can see the last four points are very controversial and maybe not the best thought out but I have never seen Habbox like this before and perhaps, just perhaps that is what it needs to waken it from its slumber. I don’t want people replying saying Habbox always has ups and downs – yes it does. I am 100% sure that it has never been like this in my 4+ years of actively using this forum.
Controversy pays off, bigtime. It gets people talking about the product again, gives it a new boost. Always good to have a bit of drama on the forum regarding policies.
Anyway, I’ve just seen this is almost 2k words which is quite frankly ridiculous. Almost as long as my HxF ban appeal. So I will summarise it which will also make it easier for those who reply to quote and relay their ideas back to me. (Only just saved this for the first time, risky).
• Don’t blame current management – the signs were there for a while.
• Habbox (site) is more important than Forum – get working on that.
• New material for Habbox – teens corner, persuade Jin. What else?
• Merge HabboxLive and Habbox
• Get well known Habbos to advertise Habbo in their rooms
• Put teles in the most popular Habbo rooms and create a Habbox mall type thing – link to HxHD too.
• Ask popular foreign Habbo fansites (habbotimes) if they want Habbox to be their UK based forum.
• From now on only choose management who are dedicated, powerful, interact and actively use Habbo (being known is a preference – yes shallow but does undoubtedly help).
• Allow Jamesy or someone else who can do techy stuff the same access as Jin or enough to be able to fix things.
• One new forum skin. Slim. Neutral colours. SMALL BANNER. Cute. For teenagers.
• Allow people to hide rep/join date/post count – reset rep? :O
• Mass unban
• Email all userbase
• Be more lenient with rules / scrap all rules apart from use common sense
I THINK I MAY HAVE BETTERED YOU ON YOUR POST COUNT NER omg I have coursework I'm such a nerd.
Sammeth.
18-10-2010, 10:55 PM
blates stealing oli's format ty oli xo
Habbox (site) is more important than Forum – get working on that.
Obviously the quality of the site itself needs to be sorted. I think it was HotelUser that said they were currently coding the new version, which is good progress I guess. However I think the forum and site really go hand in hand, or at least should. The better the quality of the website, with advertisements for the forum etc, the more likely members may be willing to sign up and improve the forums quality with better discussion and a wider range of opinions.
Merge HabboxLive and Habbox
This is pretty much a must. The radio needs to remain but its content needs to be on Habbox, and that's it, no separate site. The radio is integral for promotion so the quality of it needs to step up a bit as it has declined as of late. But if its integrated into Habbox then in my opinion it should be a lot easier to maintain the quality of shows that DJs put out.
From now on only management who are dedicated, powerful, interact and actively use Habbo (being known is a preference – yes shallow but does undoubtedly help).
I pretty much agree with what Oli said here, its how they can do their job that should make the biggest impact on whether or not they deserve it rather than whether they are well known on Habbo.
Be more lenient with rules / scrap all rules apart from use common sense
Lenience and more relaxation is definitely a must, as it provides a more comfortable atmosphere and in general a happier community for members in the long run. But scrapping them altogether would not work at all, especially not here.
The stuff I've missed out, I did so because I either simply agree with it or I don't really have such strong feelings on it to have much of an opinion.
Robbie
18-10-2010, 10:57 PM
With regards to merging habbox and hxl I did suggest it a few times a while ago but the whole hxl department seemed dead set against it and would not budge at all. I'll reply to the rest tomorrow, going bed now.
P.s: woo I got mentioned
Alkaz
18-10-2010, 11:00 PM
Banana ;)
I'll be replying to only a couple of these points as others have a more informed knowledge about those areas than me.
Don't blame current management -
You could say this goes all the way back to 2008 really. As well I don't want to make him look bad, but taking Mr.OSH for example. As an AGM he was absolutely fantastic but was away on and off, normally weeks at a time for about 8 months before someone else took the position. Things like that which have been happening (and do currently) within General Management which doesn't only effect the site but the forum and the radio too. We've all as management been suckered into the ''v6'' excuse but for us there has been an extreme amount of uncertainness about it. In a way that does restrict us but on the other hand, why should it?
The site is more important than the forum -
Well yes. It's the site that seems to draw the users and then the forum that retains them here at Habbox. As I said above we've all fallen back on the v6 excuse and I am sure others will say as well that because of it that a lot of the changes which would've been made to the site have been held off to be incorporated into v6 which just got pushed back and back. There are things a few years ago which worked extremely well for the site and ultimately Habbox in general so I personally have no idea why they were removed. Features like that we're keen to reintroduce to Habbox but in a more modernised way. To add to the point about what James said about it seemingly is only the forum willing to change skins etc is quiet opposite. We spent about three weeks before Easter getting a site skin ready for the site but at the time the only person who was here who could and knew how to implement the skin was Yonder who at the time wasn't here. Again, replying on the ''v6'' excuse, this is something which we hope will be a lot easier to update meaning we can change the skins at different times of the year and also add new ones.
New material for Habbox -
Over the coming weeks leading up to the release of v6 there will hopefully be a lot more changes to the site in terms of the content. To go with the new look site we've been planning and updating our style recently and adding a lot more features which because of myself have not been publicly announced. We've been working towards it now so then hopefully everything is tip top allowing us to possibly focus on other projects such as 'teens corner' and possibly more. I don't see the point introducing this at the moment when there are still areas of concern - all of which are being worked on.
Merge HabboxLive and Habbox -
This isn't something we've planning right now. But who knows what the future has in store for us.
Get well known Habbos to advertise Habbox -
Roxy started this a while ago and through no fault of her own but in general was poorly maintained and advertised. I like your idea about the Habbox Hallway. That could possibly link in very nicely with Habbox Central where we have all of our official rooms linking from it. We are certainly going to be making more of an effort to make people see that those who donate to Habbox etc are more formally recognised both on the site and forum for it. I hope this will positively encourage more donations and as you say popular people and room owners to side and have more of an interest in Habbox.
Allow people to hide rep etc -
I think this idea. I know that I don't like my join date and all that information displayed down the side every time I post. It's not always because of what it is saying but because I think it looks better when I post lol. I think it will be quiet a good feature which will be used and then as you say newer users would probably use it too. I know when I first signed up 5 years ago I felt inferior to a lot of members so if I had that option available then I would've posted a lot more then instead of leaving it until two years later when I became staff.
Email all userbase -
I am sure that a couple of years ago, I can’t remember which limey it was but they said they didn't do mass emails in case it upset members. I think the opposite and as a member of CHF I sometimes get and read the emails they send and quiet often I do visit the forum to check out whatever is happening. Obviously as an avid member of Habbox it doesn't really encourage me to post there but no doubt it does for many others.
Sammeth.
18-10-2010, 11:00 PM
With regards to merging habbox and hxl I did suggest it a few times a while ago but the whole hxl department seemed dead set against it and would not budge at all. I'll reply to the rest tomorrow, going bed now.
P.s: woo I got mentioned
At the end of the day, although Im sure there opinions are valued, it shouldn't be a reason not to do whats right as theres always going to be a certain level of bias there. It needs to be a decision that comes from management for the incredibly many and right reasons.
xxMATTGxx
18-10-2010, 11:01 PM
The site is awfully out-dated and I’m sure it was going to be revamped in spring – we’re now quickly approaching winter. Of course, there might be delays and I’m sure there are endless excuses for this. Excuses don’t bring users.
The next version of the Habbox website was suppose to be earlier this year but due to delays and what needed doing and wasn't able to be done at the time has now been done. Although these situations don't help in trying to attract more people to Habbox but now the next version is in progression and work is currently being done, hopefully we can get this up sooner or later. I won't mention any "confirmed" dates for the time being but hopefully before the year is out.
It has to be merged with Habbox and HxL used no more.
Merging could help and would be more beneficial in my eyes but I don't think doing it now would do anything for both Habbox or HabboxLive but something that could be possibly done when the next version comes out. This way we have a brand new website attracting the users with HabboxLive built into it. (I'm not saying this is 100% happening but something I agree on)
I assume this would save money too? It might be pennies, I might be wrong, I’m clueless.
Not sure if it would save us any money that much, except it being under one domain with all the files under that account instead of the HabboxLive one. Unless we downsize servers during the merge which I don't think we will be doing. But you are correct in saying it's about making Habbox a better and a much more user friendly for our users and for the staff who work on the website also.
Whilst we’re taking about a client, this is an idea I put forward to ---MAD--- two years ago which never got implemented but alas I will present it again. A Habbox Hallway – basically, you ask some of the most popular rooms on Habbo (casinos/schools/Hogwarts/mafias) – whatever if they will put a tele in their room which connects to a Habbox Hallway. In return, they get their room advertised on Habbox.com. In this hallway all the best rooms will be connected but the room will be designed so that the tele that leads to HxHD or any other official Habbox rooms are the most appealing (perhaps place in the middle of the room). This could bring hundreds more people into HxHD who in turn could possibly use Habbox.
With that idea in mind, this is what we could expand Habbox Central into. Basically Habbox Central is one big room owned by Roxy916 and it has a number of teleporters in them linking to other rooms owned by certain Habbox staff such as HxHD, swimming pool, trade room and I forgot what else there. Although your suggestion adds on other people outside of Habbox to get more advertising done in big public rooms which could be a possibility.
I think you need to contact really popular sites such as habbotimes.de and ask them if they want HabboxForum to be their official UK Forum. It wouldn’t have to be anything official. You could explain to them their fansite is huge in UK and that you’d be willing to give them an advertisement slot if they were to link to HxF. Of course, this isn’t possible if they have their own UK Forum (I don’t think they do however).
Something only Jin can decide on! It's an interesting idea, not too sure how well that would work If Habbox decided to try something like that.
Staffing – I’ve said this before. You need to begin to look at management and wonder if they’d still use Habbox without their role.
I would still use Habbox if I wasn't staff, I would probably still use it until the day it closed. But can't always keep to such words as life can change within minutes.
Some General Management don’t even post on the forum and I think that’s an essential part of the role, people don’t really know who they are. 8freak8 was an ecelebrity on Habbo and was known by a lot of people – not just regular uses of Habbox. If xxMattGxx came into a room only those who were closely linked with Habbox would have an idea who he is and even then they’d probably call him forum manager or something. My point is that you need:
I won't start defending other people of Management in regards of posting, I'm sure they already know who they are in terms of posting. I admit I don't post "everywhere" on the forum but I do post in the area I tend to interest me and any threads that catch my eye. I know I'm not sure sort of e-famous person on Habbo which I guess that can be my fault in the way I use Habbo and that I'm not always on it all the time.
The technical problems are fixed now but they won’t be forever? It’s perfectly normal for websites to have technical issues. Seeing as Jamesy is technically minded and has Administrative powers on the forum would it really be that dangerous to upping his capabilities and allowing him to have access to server and fix issues. Obviously, I don’t know if that even makes sense or what access certain people have. Basically, Jamesy could have the same power as Jin – theoretically it doubles the chances of a serious ‘attack’ but it would ensure problems can be sorted quicker. This isn’t a criticism of MattG (basically saying he can’t do techy stuff if you wondered why he’d be insulted) or Jin (who I know has more considerable things than Habbox in his life).
Yay for server running like a good old server at last. Until next time! I guess it would be very handy for someone else to have access to important parts of Habbox Servers or what not encase they do break down and start blowing up and making each site unusable. Like Jamesy as pointed out, it would also be very handy for me to actually get to Un-IP ban people when Jin isn't here on a daily basis as I know that can be a right pain in the back side for members and staff too.
Your Skin Comment
You must admit the forum skins have gotten better over the years or maybe that is just me. I think the current skins Habbox use such as Habbox Summer/Autumn and the others are the best we have ever had so far. Jamesy tries his best on each one and the Halloween one is also another good looking one which should be coming out soon!
Mass Unban
Something we shall look into doing and get discussing very soon, it won't start happening straight away in terms of people getting "unbanned" but it's something we shall look into it and hopefully get the ball rolling.
Mass Email
Would be ideal when we have something to give them as in something new, version 6 would be a great time to do this and is quite easy to do.
I think I've put a point on most of the important ones, sorry If I have missed anything. I do need to go bed within the next few minutes and shall look at any other threads/posts and what not and reply if needed.
With regards to merging habbox and hxl I did suggest it a few times a while ago but the whole hxl department seemed dead set against it and would not budge at all. I'll reply to the rest tomorrow, going bed now.
P.s: woo I got mentioned
this is true, or at least was true when i was part of the department over the summer.
hxl need to swallow the fact they don't warrant their own site, they're not THAT important anymore and they need the merge to survive.
Robbie
18-10-2010, 11:03 PM
At the end of the day, although Im sure there opinions are valued, it shouldn't be a reason not to do whats right as theres always going to be a certain level of bias there. It needs to be a decision that comes from management for the incredibly many and right reasons.
Tbh part of it was also jess on a power trip because if it was merged she wouldn't have her own site to edit. I think I remember that being mentioned.
Pyroka
18-10-2010, 11:05 PM
Tbh part of it was also jess on a power trip because if it was merged she wouldn't have her own site to edit. I think I remember that being mentioned.
Wouldn't be surprised, it seems unnecessary & just a pain for Habbox & its users.
Inseriousity.
18-10-2010, 11:07 PM
• Habbox (site) is more important than Forum – get working on that.
Nixt pointed this out while he was AGM and we all agreed we needed to balance out the sites' a lot more. However, it seems general management continue to say 'Habbox v6', 'Habbox V6'. Jin needs to dilute power down to general management so we can all get on with our jobs. Stop faffing around and get to work. While Jin always goes away for the festival season, it's ridiculous that the site coders had to wait months for a specification. When it's released, I'm sure there'll be bugs and errors and negative feedback, that's bound to happen, inevitable really so I don't know why it needs to be absolutely perfect before it's released.
• New material for Habbox – teens corner, persuade Jin. What else?
Despite what I said about the slow arrival of v6, there's been lots of discussion about what's going on it and I think there's a lot of new material going on there. I hear the teens corner idea was rejected by Jin because obviously, teens aren't professional enough to answer questions on... teens. Pfft what a ridiculous argument. Nixt again seemed to be in support of this idea but now he's gone, I don't think there's anyone with the 'influence' to promote the idea.
• Merge HabboxLive and Habbox
Not really my place to say on this idea. I see the pros and cons for both sides tbh.
• Get well known Habbos to advertise Habbo in their rooms
There's a new Habbox Central idea out and the rooms on there are becoming really popular. They're all the adoptions etc. Tbh, I think general management had the wrong idea about revealing this new thing. They're letting it grow gradually, getting each room popular before going TA-DA whereas it'd have had more of an impact with a TA-DA at the beginning but maybe that's just me! This could be extended easily to non-Habbox staff and I think I remember saying we could get more non-Habbox staff (popular, non-popular Habbos) involved.
• Put teles in the most popular Habbo rooms and create a Habbox mall type thing – link to HxHD too.
Habbox Central basically.
• Ask popular foreign Habbo fansites (habbotimes) if they want Habbox to be their UK based forum.
Good idea. Instead of waiting for people to come to us (which is normally the common theme with the 'big' and 'popular' sites... until their popularity starts to go down and they end up with threads like these!), we need to get out there!
• From now on only choose management who are dedicated, powerful, interact and actively use Habbo (being known is a preference – yes shallow but does undoubtedly help).
Sadly true that unknown Habbos are likely to have a harder time as management but that's not to say a failure. I wasn't powerful or well-known and I'm doing fairly well tyvm :D
• Allow Jamesy or someone else who can do techy stuff the same access as Jin or enough to be able to fix things.
Agreed as I said in point 1, I think Jin should dilute his power down to others.
• One new forum skin. Slim. Neutral colours. SMALL BANNER. Cute. For teenagers.
Not really fussed about the skins personally but yeah whatever :)
• Allow people to hide rep/join date/post count – reset rep? :O
Think this will have the opposite effect to what you intended. If you have the option to hide rep, those who have it won't, those who don't will.... so basically we all know that they haven't got rep and it's basically the same situation as before.
• Mass unban
Mentioned on other thread.
• Email all userbase
Yeah, dunno why this isn't used more tbh.
• Be more lenient with rules / scrap all rules apart from use common sense[/QUOTE]
More lenient agreed. Scrapping, hmm I think this would result in a lot more arguments. What's common sense for someone is different to common sense for another.
this thread was only 2 replies long when I was writing this so I'll go back and read it more thoroughly. I think you'll be surprised how many managers do actually have a backbone and say what they think. Just ask poor Roxy :P
nvrspk4
18-10-2010, 11:15 PM
1. Don’t blame current management – the signs were there for a while.
2. Habbox (site) is more important than Forum – get working on that.
3. New material for Habbox – teens corner, persuade Jin. What else?
4. Merge HabboxLive and Habbox
5. Get well known Habbos to advertise Habbo in their rooms
6. Put teles in the most popular Habbo rooms and create a Habbox mall type thing – link to HxHD too.
7. Ask popular foreign Habbo fansites (habbotimes) if they want Habbox to be their UK based forum.
8. From now on only choose management who are dedicated, powerful, interact and actively use Habbo (being known is a preference – yes shallow but does undoubtedly help).
9. Allow Jamesy or someone else who can do techy stuff the same access as Jin or enough to be able to fix things.
10. One new forum skin. Slim. Neutral colours. SMALL BANNER. Cute. For teenagers.
11. Allow people to hide rep/join date/post count – reset rep? :O
12. Mass unban
13. Email all userbase
14. Be more lenient with rules / scrap all rules apart from use common sense
I'm going to reply to the outlined version to prevent this from becoming ridiculously long.
1-3: Agreed entirely.
4: Will address below.
5-7: Agreed, I've also suggested some of these.
8: Agreed, with some exceptions for Tech and certain Forum positions. I do have concerns which I address below.
9: Agreed, I think it would be useful, though ultimately it's up to Jin
10: Agreed
11: Very much agreed
12: Maybe. Addressed below.
13: Agreed
14: Agreed...sort of (see below)
The ones that require more explanation:
4. HabboxLive/Habbox: I think that HabboxLive on Habbox diminishes the radio quite a bit. Then again, I also think that the radio has diminished quite a bit. If we want the radio to be as big a part of Habbox as it has, then it shouldn't be merged. If we want the radio to be a small facet of Habbox, about as big as that brilliant guide infrequent/allhisothernames/Jake made, then merge it with the site. But I'm not convinced that's a good idea.
8. Hiring well known staff: My only concern here is the availability of quality staff. Not to criticize the staff, we have great members of staff, but we also have problems filling positions precisely because we make sure we hire quality staff (or try to, in some cases some managers choose to settle.) Finding popular Habbo members who want to work on the site and are good staff material could prove challenging. Requiring managers to step up their Habbo presence instead of requiring them to have a Habbo presence to manage could be a way to meet in the middle.
12. Mass unban: I'm not completely opposed to an unbanning of members who were banned for repetitive offenses. I think it should be a case-by-case situation, but maybe habitual offenders could be considered. However, I think that opens too big a can of worms. I think a mass unban is logistically unwise, and could be entirely unwise as well.
14. Scrapping rules: I don't think the rules should be scrapped. However when I was GM, there were several people who contributed quite a bit to reducing the rules. Off the top of my head, I think GommeInc helped drive it and Professor-Alex did most of the work. Maybe another one of these overhauls would work, though apparently there was one recently?
Great post Jake.
GoldenMerc
18-10-2010, 11:21 PM
Personally theres some good ideas and some ideas that wont work, I can't state all of them as im mr busy hehe,
Never the less as you addressed mass ban i will shed some light on that, In terms of mass unbanning i think it should be done unpon reason, Such as hacking, anything malicious, using someone elses acc etc nono
but stupid reasons like 4 infractions or anything below the belt a few times should be unbanned and possibly unbanned altogether, i guess the peoples accounts who are banned have most likely learnt a lesson, Maybe only unban them if their new account has less than x amount of infractions thus it proves the lesson is learnt?
Ross
scott
18-10-2010, 11:28 PM
Tbh part of it was also jess on a power trip because if it was merged she wouldn't have her own site to edit. I think I remember that being mentioned.
Also the fact it happened the last time, the site was left that we weren't able to edit for about a month because the permissions ****** up.
HabboxLive has a load of content on it and if it was merged with Habbox then that content would be harder to find/used. Having the 2 sites separate is much easier for HabboxLive management who want to arrange things, rather than having to go through other managers to get a page or watevr added onto the Habbox site for them. It just needs a big promotion like i've said a lot for the past few months, all that has been cared about really is the forum and that was where all the focus was on rather than the main site, which has nothing on it to get new members to visit really.
Martin
18-10-2010, 11:32 PM
• Habbox (site) is more important than Forum – get working on that.
Totally agreed, and it's such a shame that parts of the site have been left to weaken over the past few months. I think anticipation of V6 has slowed things down and some key elements have lost quality. I think even with V6 coming up, new designs/ideas for the current site would have been nice and these probably should have taken place to keep things fresh. I try to keep HabboxToday updated each week, and I know most managers normally do this and it's useful for advertising etc. It's crucial that we find the right balance of material on the site which caters to our audience, provides unique things for the community and is fun and interactive in the way it works. It needs to look good, offer a purpose and most of all offer something different to other fansites. The main Habbox.com link should be peoples initial impression of us, and tbh looking at the current site I think this could be improved on A LOT.
• New material for Habbox – teens corner, persuade Jin. What else?
I really like this idea, and it has been brought up in various meetings and similar things have certainly been suggested. We really do need to focus on offering content which our teen members will get something out of. We have to accept that the majority of our userbase will want something they are interested in, and I think something like this could be really useful, and offer something different and unique. I was offering to expand news a bit into a more articles type feel, perhaps offering content in which users could interact with the articles, get their opinions accross and gain useful and meaningful content from the site. Teen help issues/general teen topics could be introduced and this could be quite interesting to have a go with. I'm sure the content department could possibly look into more things like this too, but really at the end of the day it's determined on which direction Jin wants to take it. I know we do have some lovely new features planned for the site, and hopefully these will freshen things up a bit.
• Merge HabboxLive and Habbox
100% agreed with this. I think in the past perhaps the habboxlive site has done well, and it's served a purpose, but these days I just think it's not used much, and we really do need to put all of the focus onto the main site. With the fantastic new and unique design of the site coming up in V6, I think it's going to be much easier to include hxl with the main site and it would actually benefit them in the long run I believe. I can understand Hxl's view of wanting their own site etc, but really there's nothing to lose in merging it apart form a combined fanbase, with the possibilty of readers attracting listeners and listeners attracting readers. It's really a win situation. I personally would love to see this happen, and I think it will be much easier to draw people to the site this way, and get people interacting with the site more.
• Get well known Habbos to advertise Habbox in their rooms
Another great suggestion, and I think we certainly do need to work on the Habbo aspect of things more. Perhaps we could approach some of these Habbos and put it to them. Sometimes it's hard since they would probably expect something in return, however it would be really useful to have this advertising.
• Put teles in the most popular Habbo rooms and create a Habbox mall type thing – link to HxHD too.
I know this is another thing which is currently in the works. It's just taking a while. A large network of Habbox rooms could be very beneficial in advertising the site and forum, and by choosing popular themes of rules such as roleplay, social and practical rooms we can hopefully get the habbox name noticed, get a lot of rooms popular and up the rooms lists and most importantly get the habbox name out there. We need to be top of those room lists most hours of the day, not just a couple of hours a night. If we can do this, it should be easier to attract international users too!
• Ask popular foreign Habbo fansites (habbotimes) if they want Habbox to be their UK based forum.
Interesting idea, and I think it could work well. We could certainly do with introducing ourselves to more international fanbases, and with the merge of habbo earlier this year, it's a shame that we haven't been able to fully achieve this yet. It would be great to gain new members, and linking up with a whole site as a kind of "twin town" kind of partnership could be good, and interesting.
• From now on only management who are dedicated, powerful, interact and actively use Habbo (being known is a preference – yes shallow but does undoubtedly help).
I guess the way managers are hired currently is based on a few things. Activeness, lenth of time in the job, and other issues such as determination to succeed, and the amount of work they've put in within their departments. In my opinion the vast majority of managers on here are lovely people who genuinely care about the success of their departments. We've entered a stage where we're seeing quite a few new members of managers, and it will be lovely to see them develop- since I guess it's really a thing you mould into over time. Interacting with members/staff alike is always a crucial part of the job, and listening to members feedback is always a must. It really is down to GM/Jin at the end of the day, and I think they really do generally get management decisions right.
• Allow Jamesy or someone else who can do techy stuff the same access as Jin or enough to be able to fix things.
This again could be very useful. The recent server issues were a pain yes, and could have caused a lot more damage to the reputation/practicality of the site than it actually did. There are often other little issues, such as staff getting IP banned (I've been there it was horrible!), and with Jin being the only one to undo this it can be a pain. I know Jins around a lot more now and so things will be dealt with a lot quicker, but over summer it could have been useful I guess.
• One new forum skin. Slim. Neutral colours. SMALL BANNER. Cute. For teenagers.
I think we have a lovely selection of Skins at the moment, and I think there's actually more choice now than in precious times. I think it could be a good idea to have a neutral skin for those who aren't into habbo/various colours, however I think this is probably something to look at after christmas and would probably be dependant on Jamesy, who already has a huge workload.
• Be more lenient with rules / scrap all rules apart from use common sense
Compared to this time last year, I think a lot of rules have gotten more lenient. Yes, some of the rules were a bit silly in the first place (like abbreviations avoiding the filter), however I think we're getting a nice balance of rules now, and on the whole rulebreaks seem to be fewer these days. Most of the current rules are common sense, and are designed to keep the forum a safe and enjoyable place to be. I think there are probably other little changes that could be made or perhaps reworked in a few cases, however I don't think that's a major concern at the moment.
immense
18-10-2010, 11:37 PM
I have read all replies. I don't feel there is anything for me to reply to. Most people seem to be in agreement on the majority of ideas and of course the more controversial ones should be the subject of intense debate. Although, controversy is one way to keep people excited it can go horribly wrong. Take my mass unban suggestion - say all of a sudden everyone gets unbanned and the forum is swamped in porn - I'm sure management would then be criticised for letting these animals back. However, I think these are all risks worth taking. I know some of them are going to be split right down the middle - the rules is one of those.
My point about leniency. I got a usernote the other day and don't get me wrong it is more than valid but I think it's something Habbox should stop. I think the PMs are horrible, not the way they're worded or even what they do. I just think they can be so off-putting. For some reason, Habbox still has a reputation for being strict. I can safely say it isn't the strictest forum (HFFM oh my - don't even get me started). Look at this thread, http://www.clubhabboforum.net/showthread.php?t=328071 - there are a lot of users on there who still use HxF on there complaining. Those who didn't use it before but came over moaned about the warnings they got. Look at some of the things said too. If you said them on HxF you'd be in line for a two point bullying infraction. Those aren't even edited. I also think pointless posting should be heuwnbjdn.
Anyway, back to my usernote http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=670194&p=6773426#post6773426 it was for that post (I think Amber is a wonderful and more than competent moderator btw). Yes, my post didn't add to the thread but it made someone laugh (well they replied 'lol') and it was clearly a joke. I think this is the sort of laid back mentality people are mentioning. Let us stray from the point and have a laugh a little bit. That is all people want.
Yes things have got more lenient but it doesn't have to stop there. When black people could use the same buses as white people - campaigners didn't stop there, they fought for more equality. OK, poor comparison, granted. I have told this story (too) many times. My first infraction was for double posting, you wouldn't even get a warning for this now. Yes, things are better. The thing people crave more than anything though on a teenage site is to have a laugh and be able to express themselves. All teenagers are the same in wanting to do this!
Skins are much better too but they still seem different. Again, look at clubhabbo it is perfect. Such a simple and sleek skin. No mess. HxF's have improved so much (thanks to Jamesy) but again because they have improved I don't think that should be an area that should be ticked off as being complete.
Also, I have no doubt the sceptics among you will think this thread is me trying to stroke my ego or get unbanned or something similar. As much as I love my ego being stroked and as much as I'd like to be unbanned my motive is completely innocent. I genuinely want to help Habbox improve and I felt by presenting some of my ideas to the community to get feedback was an ideal way of going about this.
Thank you to the people who have said some lovely things but for the record, I would never want to be staff again. I feel I can still help as a member.
Sammeth.
18-10-2010, 11:37 PM
Just thinking about it, if for example Habbox did ask other foreign fansites if they want to have HxF as their forum, wouldn't we have to create forums on here for that site, or make the forums we have more general, and allow staff at those fansites a certain level of access or whatever? How would that aspect work? I guess that would be something to iron out if the idea was to be undertaken.
Mrs.McCall
18-10-2010, 11:43 PM
Bananas.
I did read most of it but rather than going one by one.
I agreed with almost everything. I do think radical changes need making.
The one point I want to comment on is the differing content. I do think that's where Habbox lacks and I've said this time and time again. The job News does is great and I've seen a great rise in adding personal comment and this is widely promoted by Bolt660. But we need something different. I think Articles should be bought back I honestly do. I think a Teen Life section could still work. If Jin says no to advice then let's not do advice but rather personal experiences, personal tips so there's a full disclaimer that it isn't an endorsement.
There isn't enough on the site to enjoy. There's no reason to go on there other than News. There just isn't a major pull anymore. Everything is dying off. We need that something special, a hook and I think regular articles, maybe a well-written series that people will want to read and want to come back to. Let the News Reporters have blogs so we could have a Sports Commentator, Entertainment Commentator. TV reviews. Things that make people think "wonder what x has to say" or just to attract some sort of attention.
Pyroka
18-10-2010, 11:43 PM
Just thinking about it, if for example Habbox did ask other foreign fansites if they want to have HxF as their forum, wouldn't we have to create forums on here for that site, or make the forums we have more general, and allow staff at those fansites a certain level of access or whatever? How would that aspect work? I guess that would be something to iron out if the idea was to be undertaken.
Yeah just seperate the forum in terms of HabboTimes stuff, HabboxForum stuff, and maybe a forum to mix them all up <3
Inseriousity.
18-10-2010, 11:43 PM
I have read all replies. I don't feel there is anything for me to reply to. Most people seem to be in agreement on the majority of ideas and of course the more controversial ones should be the subject of intense debate. Although, controversy is one way to keep people excited it can go horribly wrong. Take my mass unban suggestion - say all of a sudden everyone gets unbanned and the forum is swamped in porn - I'm sure management would then be criticised for letting these animals back. However, I think these are all risks worth taking. I know some of them are going to be split right down the middle - the rules is one of those.
My point about leniency. I got a usernote the other day and don't get me wrong it is more than valid but I think it's something Habbox should stop. I think the PMs are horrible, not the way they're worded or even what they do. I just think they can be so off-putting. For some reason, Habbox still has a reputation for being strict. I can safely say it isn't the strictest forum (HFFM oh my - don't even get me started). Look at this thread, http://www.clubhabboforum.net/showthread.php?t=328071 - there are a lot of users on there who still use HxF on there complaining. Those who didn't use it before but came over moaned about the warnings they got. Look at some of the things said too. If you said them on HxF you'd be in line for a two point bullying infraction. Those aren't even edited. I also think pointless posting should be heuwnbjdn.
Anyway, back to my usernote http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=670194&p=6773426#post6773426 it was for that post (I think Amber is a wonderful and more than competent moderator btw). Yes, my post didn't add to the thread but it made someone laugh (well they replied 'lol') and it was clearly a joke. I think this is the sort of laid back mentality people are mentioning. Let us stray from the point and have a laugh a little bit. That is all people want.
Yes things have got more lenient but it doesn't have to stop there. When black people could use the same buses as white people - campaigners didn't stop there, they fought for more equality. OK, poor comparison, granted. I have told this story (too) many times. My first infraction was for double posting, you wouldn't even get a warning for this now. Yes, things are better. The thing people crave more than anything though on a teenage site is to have a laugh and be able to express themselves. All teenagers are the same in wanting to do this!
Skins are much better too but they still seem different. Again, look at clubhabbo it is perfect. Such a simple and sleek skin. No mess. HxF's have improved so much (thanks to Jamesy) but again because they have improved I don't think that should be an area that should be ticked off as being complete.
Also, I have no doubt the sceptics among you will think this thread is me trying to stroke my ego or get unbanned or something similar. As much as I love my ego being stroked and as much as I'd like to be unbanned my motive is completely innocent. I genuinely want to help Habbox improve and I felt by presenting some of my ideas to the community to get feedback was an ideal way of going about this.
Thank you to the people who have said some lovely things but for the record, I would never want to be staff again. I feel I can still help as a member.
if it's good porn, we wouldn't complain :D
Just to make sure Oli doesn't use that awful mod edit on me again... there's a rather jokey complaint in the complaints section about someone feeling like they're being targeted (Richie I think?). While that couldn't really be serious, I think that people could probably make a strong case for over-moderation of their posts imo. Moderators know the persistent rule-breakers and in an attempt to boost logs, they can see x y z has posted, x y z have a history of bad behaviour so I'll just check this thread to see if they've done anything. Natural human behaviour tbh but does go against the whole leniency principle :)
Pyroka
18-10-2010, 11:46 PM
if it's gay porn, I wouldn't complain :D
fixed ur post lolol
immense
18-10-2010, 11:48 PM
if it's good porn, we wouldn't complain :D
fixed ur post lolol
I admit. I laughed.
Inseriousity.
18-10-2010, 11:49 PM
fixed ur post lolol
dont get your hopes up babes, I still have standards ;)
Tintinnabulate
19-10-2010, 12:06 AM
I am afraid to say Jake that most of your ideas have been suggested several times before and they act like they care but nothing ever happens.
immense
19-10-2010, 12:07 AM
some of them defo haven't though! i know some of them have. i have FAITH things can be fixed saurav!
The Don
19-10-2010, 12:08 AM
What a great post, and a lot of effort has gone into that. I agree with almost everything you have said. Immense should be staff!
Too tired to write anything else ;o.
immense
19-10-2010, 12:09 AM
What a great post, and a lot of effort has gone into that. I agree with almost everything you have said. Immense should be staff!
Too tired to write anything else ;o.
As I've said already, I think I can help more as a member :) Thanks a lot though.
Tintinnabulate
19-10-2010, 12:09 AM
some of them defo haven't though! i know some of them have. i have FAITH things can be fixed saurav!
Me and you alone, followed by both me and you together, followed by us alone again have suggested ideas so many times. Same ideas such as more management interaction. Several months on, you are having to suggest it again. Clearly shows they don't act on the feedback.
That's why I am slowly giving up on the feedback now.
immense
19-10-2010, 12:12 AM
I don't think feedback is ever ignored without reason. Call me naive. Maybe I am. Some of these ideas are fresh. Some aren't. The ones that aren't may have been considered before but weren't relevant at the time. Now it has been acknowledged there has been a slump maybe it is worth giving some of these ideas a go. Maybe it isn't. Management do want what is best for the forum. So do we.
-:Undertaker:-
19-10-2010, 12:15 AM
I don't think feedback is ever ignored without reason. Call me naive. Maybe I am. Some of these ideas are fresh. Some aren't. The ones that aren't may have been considered before but weren't relevant at the time. Now it has been acknowledged there has been a slump maybe it is worth giving some of these ideas a go. Maybe it isn't. Management do want what is best for the forum. So do we.
They do have that in mind, there was a post in the management forum only a week or so back over what they class as 'Feedback bullying' which sounds basically to me as something that can cover anything that is critical of themselves/habbox staff or management in general. This of course is a term so generalising that it could mean anything critical of management can be classed as bullying.
In other words, they are looking for ways to close threads because they are above criticism you see.
Tintinnabulate
19-10-2010, 12:15 AM
I don't think feedback is ever ignored without reason. Call me naive. Maybe I am. Some of these ideas are fresh. Some aren't. The ones that aren't may have been considered before but weren't relevant at the time. Now it has been acknowledged there has been a slump maybe it is worth giving some of these ideas a go. Maybe it isn't. Management do want what is best for the forum. So do we.
Indeed but when they make idiotic decisions then there is hardly any hope for improvement. I am sure Richie or someone suggested that the site is being neglected a few months ago. They got the same v6 excuse. Bloody hell, give the GM power. So what is Jin is owner? He was hardly on this summer and due to that Habbox suffered. It would have been better to give the GM enough power and to trust him with a site design etc.
I go on Habbo and people don't seem to like Habbox. They don't even know who the management are. For example me and Garion went in rooms shouting Habbox and hardly anyone knew who the hell he was. This is backed up by the fact hardly anyone knew him on CHF.
Management hardly post on the forum :S so they are fully dead on Habbo.
Would be nice if they acted on the advice as you have clearly taken time to write it, but I can just see them replying agreeing etc but nothing will happen. Its the same thing everytime...
nvrspk4
19-10-2010, 12:52 AM
With regards to merging habbox and hxl I did suggest it a few times a while ago but the whole hxl department seemed dead set against it and would not budge at all. I'll reply to the rest tomorrow, going bed now.
P.s: woo I got mentioned
this is true, or at least was true when i was part of the department over the summer.
hxl need to swallow the fact they don't warrant their own site, they're not THAT important anymore and they need the merge to survive.
Tbh part of it was also jess on a power trip because if it was merged she wouldn't have her own site to edit. I think I remember that being mentioned.
To the above three posts, to be fair to HabboxLive and Jess, the reason it was probably repealed was because of me. I was set against it personally as an AGM, I put my opinion forward to the GM and he disagreed, that was the end of that. When I was GM, after HxL having been on the site for a while, I decided to unmerge the sites. Jess was certainly a proponent, but that decision can be placed on my shoulders, no need to blame anyone else.
Also, just while we're on the topic, as Sam can back me up, Jess could be a massive massive massive pain in my ass sometimes, because she was very pro-HxL, but I think that was a great thing. She defended her staff and fought for her department, and she made sure her department's interests were protected. If every manager were to do that, it would actually make many departments much better.
I am afraid to say Jake that most of your ideas have been suggested several times before and they act like they care but nothing ever happens.
No, they try and sometimes it's hard, but some of Jake's ideas are also new. I think it's also a big advantage that he posted them in a very intelligent way and the discussion has been on the whole very constructive and positive *cough*. I've made many posts about my opinion on how to make feedback effectively, and Jake is a great example of someone who knows how to do it (the only issue is that sometimes he blatantly chooses not to do it that way :P)
I don't think feedback is ever ignored without reason. Call me naive. Maybe I am. Some of these ideas are fresh. Some aren't. The ones that aren't may have been considered before but weren't relevant at the time. Now it has been acknowledged there has been a slump maybe it is worth giving some of these ideas a go. Maybe it isn't. Management do want what is best for the forum. So do we.
1) You put it perfectly
2) Someone's seen the light :P Or you saw the light before and chose not to mention it.
Anyone who thinks that management wants Habbox to be bad needs a checkup. They obviously took the position and want to improve the site. Many might even argue power trip, but even those on a power trip want to be remembered for making things great. That said, I think that the last thing you can accuse Matthew of is going on a power trip.
immense
19-10-2010, 12:52 AM
They do have that in mind, there was a post in the management forum only a week or so back over what they class as 'Feedback bullying' which sounds basically to me as something that can cover anything that is critical of themselves/habbox staff or management in general. This of course is a term so generalising that it could mean anything critical of management can be classed as bullying.
In other words, they are looking for ways to close threads because they are above criticism you see.
If it is constructive it won't be closed. I agree in the past, they should have listened to the users more. If this thread gets ignored when 3 / 4 General Management and Forum Manager have said it has some good ideas then maybe I too will become a critic. However, perhaps part of the problem is people moaning too much and amplifying the issues into full blown problems and forecasting the end of Habbox.
Indeed but when they make idiotic decisions then there is hardly any hope for improvement. I am sure Richie or someone suggested that the site is being neglected a few months ago. They got the same v6 excuse. Bloody hell, give the GM power. So what is Jin is owner? He was hardly on this summer and due to that Habbox suffered. It would have been better to give the GM enough power and to trust him with a site design etc.
I go on Habbo and people don't seem to like Habbox. They don't even know who the management are. For example me and Garion went in rooms shouting Habbox and hardly anyone knew who the hell he was. This is backed up by the fact hardly anyone knew him on CHF.
Management hardly post on the forum :S so they are fully dead on Habbo.
Would be nice if they acted on the advice as you have clearly taken time to write it, but I can just see them replying agreeing etc but nothing will happen. Its the same thing everytime...
I agree, there has to be more power given to those senior figureheads who are online daily. However, one extra person that has the access Jin has make a severe attack on Habbox 100% more likely. Like I said above. I agree there have been some fantastic feedback threads, general management have agreed and then nothing has come of it. If this goes the same way considering the backing it has received then yeah it would have been a waste of time. At least though, I would know I have tried to help a site that has been a part of my life the past four years. The alternative is to watch it sink. There is only so much people like myself and you can do. We can propose ideas. We can't enforce them or make people enforce them. Perhaps if we could things would be better. However, that isn't going to happen so there is no point in even discussing it. If General Management don't make changes they don't have the interests of Habbox at heart and should tender their resignation.
Edit; nvr, when you get given a tag you act accordingly. Part of the reason why people should be unbanned and given a fresh start. We are all (vast majority) teenagers and grow up at astonishing rates. I can be serious when I want to be. That isn't often though. Immaturity is one of the most underrated things.
GommeInc
19-10-2010, 01:02 AM
Making a note on merging HabboxLive and Habbox together - BBC have all their BBC Radios accessible from BBC.co.uk and seeing as the BBC have quite a large website it should be perfectly fine for Habbox to have the radio on-site. Afterall, HxL is the front runner in terms of getting people onto Habbox so merging both together will do them both some good. The Radio can just say "Go to Habbox.com" and Habbox gets some extra attention. Best for both of them. The arguments against it don't really exist,as HxL is hardly "large" and "Hx" won't take over unless you have done something to the website that makes the radio re-load when you load a page (or just use a pop-up, though that's a bit lazy and untidy).
Richie
19-10-2010, 01:10 AM
- Richie got fired despite providing HabboxLive with its radio for a while, being a great DJ, a good mentor to HabboxLive DJ's (because yes, I've seen in the HabboxLive forums & he's made alot of material for you guys), and yet he's still fired. I have no idea why, but I also have no idea why he can't be brought back. He even shown me a PM from MattGarner which said that there was a mistake in rehiring him as a trialist a month ago, and his trial was revoked. They didn't give him a reason, and given that he's done all of the above for Habbox, surely he would deserve one, or to have never had the trial retracted at all.
thanks lol
I got a job at habboxlive not to long ago but as soon as I passed my trial I left just due to the fact that it was dying, people had their own 'little groups' for ******** and it just wasn't my cup of tea. I dunno if its still the same but yeah :P.
immense
19-10-2010, 01:11 AM
Some of these things come from above General Management (from what I've heard).
Sammeth.
19-10-2010, 01:41 AM
Also, just while we're on the topic, as Sam can back me up, Jess could be a massive massive massive pain in my ass sometimes, because she was very pro-HxL, but I think that was a great thing. She defended her staff and fought for her department, and she made sure her department's interests were protected. If every manager were to do that, it would actually make many departments much better.
*-*comes 2 ya reskue*-*
Yeah, Jess was a massive pain in your ass I never heard the end of it when I was AGM under you (ooer) and she continued to be a pain when I was GM. When I say pain I obviously only mean that because she was so forthright with her views and incredibly supportive of them and wouldn't just let them go at the drop of a hat. And although I say pain, again, I would more often than not say she was one of the best managers at Habbox because of it. She stood up for herself and what she believed in. I agree, if every manager were to stand there ground and have their departments best interests at heart then I think departments would be a lot better off in the long run.
nvrspk4
19-10-2010, 03:24 AM
Making a note on merging HabboxLive and Habbox together - BBC have all their BBC Radios accessible from BBC.co.uk and seeing as the BBC have quite a large website it should be perfectly fine for Habbox to have the radio on-site. Afterall, HxL is the front runner in terms of getting people onto Habbox so merging both together will do them both some good. The Radio can just say "Go to Habbox.com" and Habbox gets some extra attention. Best for both of them. The arguments against it don't really exist,as HxL is hardly "large" and "Hx" won't take over unless you have done something to the website that makes the radio re-load when you load a page (or just use a pop-up, though that's a bit lazy and untidy).
Well that's speaking in the current, remember that at the time we were still getting 300 listeners and a wide variety of HxL content. Hence why I'm a little more supportive of the idea now ;)
And thanks Sam :P
Hope to see some of your ideas being implemented Jake, they all sound good. :)
Sorry for the short reply, I've replied to the main community points for now but I'll hopefully reply to the rest a bit later:
• Merge HabboxLive and Habbox
I agree with this. HabboxLive is not as popular as it used to be and I think merging the sites could be a step in the right direction, especially with v6 as the Habbox site will be a lot more interactive.
• Get well known Habbos to advertise Habbo in their rooms
A while ago I contacted the most popular casino owners and they agreed to put www.Habbox.com in the room description and in return we'd advertise them on Habbox.com. It worked for a while however a lot of casino owners then changed accounts / rooms and didn't add Habbox.com back into the room description and when I asked them if they were still interested / started asking new people if they were interested, I basically got ignored (:() and had to start going through other people which is where it started to go wrong. I am hoping to re-launch this soon though and try it again from scratch.
• Put teles in the most popular Habbo rooms and create a Habbox mall type thing – link to HxHD too.
I started to create something like this except I called it Habbox Central instead. The basic idea was to create a room which all Habbox rooms could be linked to but it could run itself too and be more popular than a simple room full of teles which is similar to what you were suggesting. It's not quite finished yet though. (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=669989)
• Allow Jamesy or someone else who can do techy stuff the same access as Jin or enough to be able to fix things.
I think Matt definitely needs to have more power to be able to sort server issues, unban people who've been ip banned for getting the wrong password, more control over v6 etc.
Minstrels
19-10-2010, 01:55 PM
• Don’t blame current management – the signs were there for a while.
Too true, shame they chose to ignore the ones who warned them though.
• Habbox (site) is more important than Forum – get working on that.
Again, agreed. It's the one which brings in the main hits, they then sign up to the forum from there.
• New material for Habbox – teens corner, persuade Jin. What else?
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• Merge HabboxLive and Habbox
Could work I guess but I don't use them so /
• Get well known Habbos to advertise Habbo in their rooms
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• Put teles in the most popular Habbo rooms and create a Habbox mall type thing – link to HxHD too.
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• Ask popular foreign Habbo fansites (habbotimes) if they want Habbox to be their UK based forum.
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• From now on only choose management who are dedicated, powerful, interact and actively use Habbo (being known is a preference – yes shallow but does undoubtedly help).
Agreeable.
• Allow Jamesy or someone else who can do techy stuff the same access as Jin or enough to be able to fix things.
Agreed, Robbie could also help.
• One new forum skin. Slim. Neutral colours. SMALL BANNER. Cute. For teenagers.
ikr
• Allow people to hide rep/join date/post count – reset rep? :O
I like this.
• Mass unban
Woo Minstrels returns.
• Email all userbase
If we have the choice to opt out.
• Be more lenient with rules / scrap all rules apart from use common sense
I like this, warned for pointless posts. Get more lenient punishments for calling some a ****.
immense
19-10-2010, 04:44 PM
No, they try and sometimes it's hard, but some of Jake's ideas are also new. I think it's also a big advantage that he posted them in a very intelligent way and the discussion has been on the whole very constructive and positive *cough*. I've made many posts about my opinion on how to make feedback effectively, and Jake is a great example of someone who knows how to do it (the only issue is that sometimes he blatantly chooses not to do it that way :P)
I think if these ideas had been poorly written then it wouldn't have the same effect. Although, my sentence structure does get very lazy in certain paragraphs. However, I think you address another problem. There is a way of getting what you want / getting heard. I know it because I have been here far too long. New members don't. Is there anything that can be done to give their voice/views a bit of an amplification.
GommeInc
19-10-2010, 06:10 PM
Well that's speaking in the current, remember that at the time we were still getting 300 listeners and a wide variety of HxL content. Hence why I'm a little more supportive of the idea now ;)
And thanks Sam :P
Even if it were popular you could still merge the two together. Habbox is a single entity, so HxL, HxF and Hx need to support each other as they're run by the same people and all interact and carry the Habbox banner. So a special webpage on Hx for HxL like you get with many companies e.g. BBC have their Radio page look different to the rest of th website, but keep it on the same website so all Habbox content is kept in the same place. It might stop people complaining that Habbox and HabboxLive are out doing each other, when there should no competition. It's like the English Football team battling themselves to win a World Cup :P Obviously the same cannot be done with the forum as there is a limit to what you can edit, unless you have HabboxForum open up in a section of the Habbox website (www.habbox.com/forum) with the banner cut out to avoid an overload of images, and keep the habboxforum.com domain so people can see it as a single website like we do now, so you get two ways to view the forum with one making the Habbox/HxL content viewable to people just browsing the forum and as we see it now, banner and warts and all :P
I think that makes sense at least, would make Habbox.com unique seeing as ClubHabbo have a seperate website and forum, while Habbox gives that option AND a quicker way to view the forum in whatever website designers call the tables that open up other websites to view.
Why isn't this kid in charge?
Oh and bananas ;)
I agree with everything you've said, specially merging hxl and habbox main site
nvrspk4
19-10-2010, 07:36 PM
I think if these ideas had been poorly written then it wouldn't have the same effect. Although, my sentence structure does get very lazy in certain paragraphs. However, I think you address another problem. There is a way of getting what you want / getting heard. I know it because I have been here far too long. New members don't. Is there anything that can be done to give their voice/views a bit of an amplification.
I agree, I sort of overlooked your well-written arguments as a given, but expressing yourself well is a key component. There is a stuck thread from a while ago that I made on how to give effective feedback and there are other posts that have been made, perhaps they can be edited and new Feedback users can be referred to those threads when making new posts.
Even if it were popular you could still merge the two together. Habbox is a single entity, so HxL, HxF and Hx need to support each other as they're run by the same people and all interact and carry the Habbox banner. So a special webpage on Hx for HxL like you get with many companies e.g. BBC have their Radio page look different to the rest of th website, but keep it on the same website so all Habbox content is kept in the same place. It might stop people complaining that Habbox and HabboxLive are out doing each other, when there should no competition. It's like the English Football team battling themselves to win a World Cup :P Obviously the same cannot be done with the forum as there is a limit to what you can edit, unless you have HabboxForum open up in a section of the Habbox website (www.habbox.com/forum) with the banner cut out to avoid an overload of images, and keep the habboxforum.com domain so people can see it as a single website like we do now, so you get two ways to view the forum with one making the Habbox/HxL content viewable to people just browsing the forum and as we see it now, banner and warts and all :P
I think that makes sense at least, would make Habbox.com unique seeing as ClubHabbo have a seperate website and forum, while Habbox gives that option AND a quicker way to view the forum in whatever website designers call the tables that open up other websites to view.
The reason that HabboxLive started separately was because it was owned separately at first, this created a sort of culture and made Habbox unique in terms of having its own website. I don't think there was ever a huge issue of HabboxLive outweighing the site, the forum outweighing the site has been the issue for a while (as was pointed out in this thread.) When HabboxLive was massive, all the features being on their own section and own ShoutCast did make sense, now that HabboxLive has folded from the third major component of the "Habbox empire" if you will, and is now instead a very strong feature of another component, it may make sense to put it on the site.
I think a big mistake in the merge, however, was trying to basically re-create the HabboxLive website as a subsection of the Habbox site. If you're going to merge it in, adapt the HabboxLive content to go along with the layout of the rest of the site.
GommeInc
19-10-2010, 08:54 PM
I agree, I sort of overlooked your well-written arguments as a given, but expressing yourself well is a key component. There is a stuck thread from a while ago that I made on how to give effective feedback and there are other posts that have been made, perhaps they can be edited and new Feedback users can be referred to those threads when making new posts.
The reason that HabboxLive started separately was because it was owned separately at first, this created a sort of culture and made Habbox unique in terms of having its own website. I don't think there was ever a huge issue of HabboxLive outweighing the site, the forum outweighing the site has been the issue for a while (as was pointed out in this thread.) When HabboxLive was massive, all the features being on their own section and own ShoutCast did make sense, now that HabboxLive has folded from the third major component of the "Habbox empire" if you will, and is now instead a very strong feature of another component, it may make sense to put it on the site.
I think a big mistake in the merge, however, was trying to basically re-create the HabboxLive website as a subsection of the Habbox site. If you're going to merge it in, adapt the HabboxLive content to go along with the layout of the rest of the site.
Ah I remember when the radio first appeared as HabboxRadio :P Obviously it was going to be seperate, the same as HabboxForum being entirely seperate because jrh2002 personally owned it (and maybe the radio too, if I remember correctly?)
The content could easily merge in with it, you cannot make it just-another-page like the Habbox Rare Watch, it has to have it's own sub-section filled with information revolving around the radio (again, much like BBC Radio on the BBC Website :P). It seems to make sense, but it depends on what other people think. Obviously this is just my idea of merging them, others may have different ideas on how to merge them :/
nvrspk4
20-10-2010, 08:28 AM
Ah I remember when the radio first appeared as HabboxRadio :P Obviously it was going to be seperate, the same as HabboxForum being entirely seperate because jrh2002 personally owned it (and maybe the radio too, if I remember correctly?)
The content could easily merge in with it, you cannot make it just-another-page like the Habbox Rare Watch, it has to have it's own sub-section filled with information revolving around the radio (again, much like BBC Radio on the BBC Website :P). It seems to make sense, but it depends on what other people think. Obviously this is just my idea of merging them, others may have different ideas on how to merge them :/
What I was referring to was how the HabboxLive site had a different layout and when MAD merged the two sites, he basically recreated the HxL layout as a sub-page of the Habbox site, which ended up looking bad. Certainly the content revolves around HxL, I'm just saying that the design and layout should look the same as well.
immense
22-10-2010, 10:08 AM
I agree, I sort of overlooked your well-written arguments as a given, but expressing yourself well is a key component. There is a stuck thread from a while ago that I made on how to give effective feedback and there are other posts that have been made, perhaps they can be edited and new Feedback users can be referred to those threads when making new posts.
Then again new users generally won't have that much feedback because they won't have used Habbox for long. Although, they obviously shouldn't be neglected :P One idea is maybe picking people in the community to be mentors and every new member is giving one. Habbo had the guide scheme where if you were new you could call on a Habbo to help. Perhaps in the welcome message all new members should be allocated a member to help them. Or maybe these mentors could be chosen and it could be their job to PM every new member in an informal tone saying they're there if they ever need help. Perhaps that's a bit over the top.
Hecktix
22-10-2010, 12:08 PM
Then again new users generally won't have that much feedback because they won't have used Habbox for long. Although, they obviously shouldn't be neglected :P One idea is maybe picking people in the community to be mentors and every new member is giving one. Habbo had the guide scheme where if you were new you could call on a Habbo to help. Perhaps in the welcome message all new members should be allocated a member to help them. Or maybe these mentors could be chosen and it could be their job to PM every new member in an informal tone saying they're there if they ever need help. Perhaps that's a bit over the top.
The mentor idea was the idea behind the welcome committee - it's a shame it wasn't worked on a bit more after my departure as it started off quite well
immense
22-10-2010, 12:10 PM
Yeah but you can get a list of all the members that signed up in that day. I know they get the welcome PM but then maybe if older members sent them a PM too saying they're going to be about if they need help might be a nice touch.
The mentor idea was the idea behind the welcome committee - it's a shame it wasn't worked on a bit more after my departure as it started off quite well
Not completely sure on the idea but I think he means ONE person guides and helps another person specifically. Instead of the robotic and same replies that occured in the Welcome Committee. Not sure though. Could be completely wrong!
Edit: amg jake. i call for new post notifications. :(
Hecktix
22-10-2010, 12:13 PM
Not completely sure on the idea but I think he means ONE person guides and helps another person specifically. Instead of the robotic and same replies that occured in the Welcome Committee. Not sure though. Could be completely wrong!
Edit: amg jake. i call for new post notifications. :(
The Welcome Committee was never meant to be robotic and it wasn't at first, as I said - it wasn't worked on enough after I left.
nvrspk4
23-10-2010, 02:53 AM
Then again new users generally won't have that much feedback because they won't have used Habbox for long. Although, they obviously shouldn't be neglected :P One idea is maybe picking people in the community to be mentors and every new member is giving one. Habbo had the guide scheme where if you were new you could call on a Habbo to help. Perhaps in the welcome message all new members should be allocated a member to help them. Or maybe these mentors could be chosen and it could be their job to PM every new member in an informal tone saying they're there if they ever need help. Perhaps that's a bit over the top.
Well, I mean new users to feedback. Every now and then a forum user will stumble into feedback, completely botch the post and get ripped up by the users who think that the new poster is stupid, whereas in reality they're just not aware how to make feedback constructively. In that sense this is another one of those cliquey forums...it's unfortunate. The difference is that there are more people in Feedback who are willing to explain to the people who aren't used to the Feedback forums, whereas other forums often prefer to keep it to the current clique.
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