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A mother has been arrested after a four year old girl was found stabbed to death with her heart and other organs cut out and strewn around her flat.
The 35-year-old woman was allegedly sitting in a her kitchen chanting verses of the Koran as her daughter's disembowelled corpse lay next to her.
The little girl's heart and other organs were found in different rooms around the flat in Clapton, east London.
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This actually makes me feel sick, sad and angry at the same time!
What do you think?
Mathew
18-12-2010, 06:13 PM
When will religion get some good press?
Lovely book is the Koran.
Yet more press directed at Islam being a terrible, violent religion. I dont even see why one would post such garbage.
Oh wait its the dailymail, why am i acting so surprised
GommeInc
18-12-2010, 06:22 PM
Horrible if true, but not all Muslims are vile. It's a bit of a non-story really, there's not much to talk about.
Swastika
18-12-2010, 07:18 PM
Another sickening story that originates from the monster that is Islam.
-:Undertaker:-
18-12-2010, 07:19 PM
Yet more press directed at Islam being a terrible, violent religion. I dont even see why one would post such garbage.
Oh wait its the dailymail, why am i acting so surprised
Well many religions do have violent/distasteful verses, like Muhammad had sex with a 9 year old did he not? and then there's the other guy (forget the name) who sacrificed his son (or was it a lamb) in the Bible. I have to say though, that although religion gets a bad press, it does do a lot of good.
RIP to the child.
Inseriousity.
18-12-2010, 07:26 PM
Well many religions do have violent/distasteful verses, like Muhammad had sex with a 9 year old did he not? and then there's the other guy (forget the name) who sacrificed his son (or was it a lamb) in the Bible. I have to say though, that although religion gets a bad press, it does do a lot of good.
RIP to the child.
I'm not sure about the Muhammad having sex with a 9 year old but I think the bible reference you're refering to is Abraham and his son? He was going to kill him but God told him to stop, it was all just a test to prove he was faithful. Attempted murder and sectioned if he tried it nowadays :P
Yes anyway I agree, religion does in general do a lot of good even if it does get a lot of bad press too. I got this quote from a Dan Brown book/movie (lol the irony) but it sums up what I think on religion: "Religion is flawed because man is flawed." not the other way round as people would suggest.
RIP :(
dbgtz
18-12-2010, 07:35 PM
Another sickening story that originates from the monster that is Islam.
liking the hypocracy there
anyway i think that woman must have been insane, proper.
Another sickening story that originates from the monster that is Islam.
lirl.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwGFalTRHDA
Well many religions do have violent/distasteful verses, like Muhammad had sex with a 9 year old did he not? and then there's the other guy (forget the name) who sacrificed his son (or was it a lamb) in the Bible. I have to say though, that although religion gets a bad press, it does do a lot of good.
RIP to the child.I never said that religions weren't violent and didnt have violent parts, but the fact that ALL media these days is all centred at islam is getting old and incredibly boring. And you may think it does a lot of good, which it does, but i think we're better off without it, but thats a debate for another thread :p
Swastika
18-12-2010, 10:05 PM
I never said that religions weren't violent and didnt have violent parts, but the fact that ALL media these days is all centred at islam is getting old and incredibly boring. And you may think it does a lot of good, which it does, but i think we're better off without it, but thats a debate for another thread :p
Brutality, backwardness, barbarity and bloodshed. Hatred, fear, prejudice, suspicion and mistrust. No rights for women, no justice, no protection of laws, no freedom of religion, no freedom of speech or thought, no access to free non-religious education, no real freedom of any kind. Oppression, repression and regression.
Islam.
AgnesIO
18-12-2010, 10:08 PM
Brutality, backwardness, barbarity and bloodshed. Hatred, fear, prejudice, suspicion and mistrust. No rights for women, no justice, no protection of laws, no freedom of religion, no freedom of speech or thought, no access to free non-religious education, no real freedom of any kind. Oppression, repression and regression.
Islam.
Sounds like the Jewish in world war two.
Apart from no rights for anyone, not just women.
Brutality, backwardness, barbarity and bloodshed. Hatred, fear, prejudice, suspicion and mistrust. No rights for women, no justice, no protection of laws, no freedom of religion, no freedom of speech or thought, no access to free non-religious education, no real freedom of any kind. Oppression, repression and regression.
Islam.
Brutality - Same in every religion
Backwardness - Same in every religion
Barbarity, bloodshed, fear - ^ same as above
Prejudice, suspicion - You get a lot in western society also, eg. this thread. As for suspicion, let me go walk on a train speaking some random asian language and lets see how quickly my cart empties.
mistrust - eh?
No rights for women - That i dont agree with. All religions have their downsides.
No justice - Eh?
All the rest you speak as though Islam is a country, it isnt. Sure there is laws which go through the Qu'ran, but that isnt why there is no free non-religious education.
I've said it and ill say it again after all these crappy debates come up. I dont care about religion and we'd be better off without it, so dont come trying to persuade me how bad a religion is because i think they all are. I just dont like the prejudice that i receive because of said religions because of my skin colour, and that is why i back up islam.
Also lets not get started on the Nazi party.
-Danube-
18-12-2010, 11:01 PM
This made me shudder irl.
Disgusting.
RIP to the girl.
Mrs.McCall
19-12-2010, 12:28 AM
Terrible. :(
Although the impact slightly taken off by the snow fall effect on the forum going over the "police do not cross" picture. LOL.
MrPinkPanther
19-12-2010, 12:41 AM
Quit blaming Islam, there are many parts of Christianity that are just as bad if not worse. I'm not saying I like Islam by any means but lets be honest, it's becoming a scapegoat for hate against ethnic minorities.
-:Undertaker:-
19-12-2010, 12:55 AM
Quit blaming Islam, there are many parts of Christianity that are just as bad if not worse. I'm not saying I like Islam by any means but lets be honest, it's becoming a scapegoat for hate against ethnic minorities.
There is a difference though, Christianity had to be dragged kicking and screaming into the modern world - Islam has not yet gone through that process. However this particular incident is clearly just a fluke event as most people are moderate when it comes to their religion.
MrPinkPanther
19-12-2010, 01:02 AM
There is a difference though, Christianity had to be dragged kicking and screaming into the modern world - Islam has not yet gone through that process.
Yeh I'd agree to a certain extent. I mean Western Muslims certainly aren't as radical as their overseas brethren but they do hold their values true. See this is what I don't understand, how can Christians believe in the power of Bible and Christ when most of them choose to ignore many of the teachings of it. At least with Islam they are keeping to their religions core moral values.
Eoin247
19-12-2010, 02:31 AM
Terrible and sad story if it is true. I think the woman probably had some serious mental problem. :(
RIP to the dead girl
ChickenFaces
19-12-2010, 02:33 AM
That's despicable. ;l
HotelUser
19-12-2010, 04:06 AM
Brutality, backwardness, barbarity and bloodshed. Hatred, fear, prejudice, suspicion and mistrust. No rights for women, no justice, no protection of laws, no freedom of religion, no freedom of speech or thought, no access to free non-religious education, no real freedom of any kind. Oppression, repression and regression.
Islam.
Are you suggesting that the 1.8 billion people who follow Islam are all of the things above? Really?
That's incredibly narrow minded if so.
Catzsy
19-12-2010, 09:19 AM
Yet more press directed at Islam being a terrible, violent religion. I dont even see why one would post such garbage.
Oh wait its the dailymail, why am i acting so surprised
Indeed. I love the way some are capitilising on the religious aspect which has absolutely nothing to do with this at all. If you actually read the article she has been sectioned under the Mental Health Act. Mental health problems do not discriminate when it comes to race or religion. RIP.
Gibs960
19-12-2010, 10:09 AM
If Muslims are doing things very, very wrong then, yes they are going to get bad media.
And to be honest I couldn't care less who did it, they're a monster.
Conservative,
19-12-2010, 10:31 AM
This is disgusting. Before people -rep me or reply back saying not all Muslims do this. I know, I have Muslim friends, but the fact that ANY Muslims think it is ok to go around bombing people, shooting people, stabbing people, or cutting out children's hearts is awful.
I know the KKK were Christians who went around killing people but that wasn't on religious grounds - that was race.
It's a shame that there are people in this world who would do such a thing. It makes everyone else in their religion look bad, and then people wonder why... :\
RIP to the kid anyway.
The dailymail is famous for making religions such as Islam look violent, doesn't mean they necessarily are :rolleyes: It doesnt mean all muslims are violent :S People who conform to the medias beliefs that easily are too easily misled. I find this issue horrific nonetheless.
Catzsy
19-12-2010, 12:40 PM
If Muslims are doing things very, very wrong then, yes they are going to get bad media.
And to be honest I couldn't care less who did it, they're a monster.
This is disgusting. Before people -rep me or reply back saying not all Muslims do this. I know, I have Muslim friends, but the fact that ANY Muslims think it is ok to go around bombing people, shooting people, stabbing people, or cutting out children's hearts is awful.
I know the KKK were Christians who went around killing people but that wasn't on religious grounds - that was race.
It's a shame that there are people in this world who would do such a thing. It makes everyone else in their religion look bad, and then people wonder why... :\
RIP to the kid anyway.
People of all religions, races and creeds do sickening things and commit horrendous crimes. Why make so much of the fact she is a 'muslim'.
Conservative,
19-12-2010, 12:41 PM
People of all religions, races and creeds do sickening things and commit horrendous crimes. Why make so much of the fact she is a 'muslim'.
Because they're the scapegoats in this day in age. Sad, but true. It is also a fact, however, that more crimes on "religious grounds" are committed by Muslims than any other religion.
Catzsy
19-12-2010, 12:47 PM
Because they're the scapegoats in this day in age. Sad, but true. It is also a fact, however, that more crimes on "religious grounds" are committed by Muslims than any other religion.
Well I agree with the scapegoat' theory and you are possible correct on the second part but evil, sadistic crimes are committed by all sections of society daily and the fact she has been sectioned also says a lot.
Conservative,
19-12-2010, 01:21 PM
Well I agree with the scapegoat' theory and you are possible correct on the second part but evil, sadistic crimes are committed by all sections of society daily and the fact she has been sectioned also says a lot.
It's scaremongering. They won't say "A Christian man today shot dead another Christian man after a failed drug deal" or whatever...they'll say "A man was shot dead after a drug dealer had got upset and seemingly shot him out of anger". It's trying to make you think of Muslims as terrorists, which is wrong and an unfortunate thing in this society, but I have an email someone sent me which puts it in perspective.
Robbie, it is NOT a fact. Its something blown out of proportion by the media.
Conservative,
19-12-2010, 01:26 PM
Robbie, it is NOT a fact. Its something blown out of proportion by the media.
It is. Lol. They do more crimes in the name of "religion" than any other religion. I did not say Christians don't do crimes, or Jews, or anyone else, but in the name of religion, Muslims commit the most crimes.
It is. Lol. They do more crimes in the name of "religion" than any other religion. I did not say Christians don't do crimes, or Jews, or anyone else, but in the name of religion, Muslims commit the most crimes.
Where are you getting this statistic from then? Because with no source, it is just something thats been blown out of the media and is your perception of it. Thus not fact.
Gibs960
19-12-2010, 02:11 PM
Catzy what are you talking about? I said, I don't care whether they are muslim, if they did this they're a monster! So before you go around accusing me of racism, get your facts right.
karter
19-12-2010, 03:40 PM
Horrible news.. just horrible..
Judas
19-12-2010, 03:44 PM
why does this even have to be a religion thing? the woman clearly had mental health issues, she could have been from any race or religion, its just anything with the word 'islam' slapped over it and everyone just assumes they are all monsters.
this is why i dislike religion.
Yet more press directed at Islam being a terrible, violent religion. I dont even see why one would post such garbage.
Oh wait its the dailymail, why am i acting so surprised
this is why i posted such 'garbage' ... to see what people would say about it, it can bring up a variety of issues and debates. :)
this is why i posted such 'garbage' ... to see what people would say about it, it can bring up a variety of issues and debates. :)
despite said debates already been said so many times
One word: sick!
Why do some people do things like this... its just mad!
Poor child, rest in peace. :(
Gibs960
19-12-2010, 06:02 PM
This is ridiculous the way some people are actually protecting this woman? Maybe she is Muslim but if she does that religion doesn't come into it. She's obviously not right in the head and I don't actually think she's worth the time trying to help her, hopefully she'll be hanged by other inmates.
Catzsy
19-12-2010, 06:19 PM
Catzy what are you talking about? I said, I don't care whether they are muslim, if they did this they're a monster! So before you go around accusing me of racism, get your facts right.
Nowhere did I accuse you of racism. Thanks :P Your last remark is pretty outlandish though and probably shows your age. When somebody is mentally il and sectionedl then they are not capable of being interviewed, charged or anything else. I am sure she is undergoing an assessment.
HotelUser
19-12-2010, 06:26 PM
why does this even have to be a religion thing? the woman clearly had mental health issues, she could have been from any race or religion, its just anything with the word 'islam' slapped over it and everyone just assumes they are all monsters.
this is why i dislike religion.
It doesn't. People turn it into one.
Aidenn
19-12-2010, 06:28 PM
Poor child, i could never kill anyone especially not even someone who was family.
HotelUser
19-12-2010, 06:30 PM
Poor child, i could never kill anyone especially not even someone who was family.
I couldn't even fathom what twisted and sick thoughts must have been running through the mother's mind when she decided to do this - absolutely sickening.
Aidenn
19-12-2010, 06:33 PM
I'd love to know the reason why it was done, but i believe the reason wont be a very good one for such a terrible crime.
Judas
19-12-2010, 08:09 PM
It doesn't. People turn it into one.
thats what i was saying.
Jessicrawrr
20-12-2010, 10:28 AM
sick woman.
wiktoria
20-12-2010, 12:47 PM
That's so disgusting. Some people are sick.
[Jay]
25-12-2010, 06:26 PM
I dont really see the link, whats the Koran gota do with the murder?
Just because she was chanting verses from the Koran and is a muslim does not mean it had something to do with her killing her duaghter?
Its a sad story, but completly over shadowed by bad writting.
karter
26-12-2010, 05:07 AM
Like seriously? Why do people blame Koran and its contents? The woman was mentally Ill and obviously , will anyone (particularly women) cut out their daughter's heart out?
one in a billion story if i ever hear another one like that before they day i die i will be surprised. Religion get sso much bad press just like everything else (celebs etc) when yes there are problems but the media do alot to fuel it like the poppy and Qur'an buring earlier in the year.
danzooo
26-12-2010, 07:57 PM
what if it had nothing to do with the koran, maybe she just did it and by chance the koran was playing in the background? if the justin bieber cd was playing at the time, would everyone blame him?
Ashgasm
26-12-2010, 10:48 PM
That is absolutely sickening.
karter
27-12-2010, 12:00 PM
what if it had nothing to do with the koran, maybe she just did it and by chance the koran was playing in the background? if the justin bieber cd was playing at the time, would everyone blame him?
Yeah That's a great example
what if it had nothing to do with the koran, maybe she just did it and by chance the koran was playing in the background? if the justin bieber cd was playing at the time, would everyone blame him?
That's a great example.
@Lucy I agree with you, religion does get a lot of bad media unfortunately.
RedStratocas
27-12-2010, 04:59 PM
If Muslims are doing things very, very wrong then, yes they are going to get bad media.
christians do very very very wrong things on a daily basis, only when the press covers it, they dont really mention the fact that they're christian. for some reason when a crime is committed, the only time people think religion is relevant is when it's islam.
I know the KKK were Christians who went around killing people but that wasn't on religious grounds - that was race.
clearly you don't really know what you're talking about, the KKK believed the bible was only tolerant of white protestants. and this is far from the only example of christians killing people on religious grounds.
Wig44.
27-12-2010, 11:37 PM
christians do very very very wrong things on a daily basis, only when the press covers it, they dont really mention the fact that they're christian. for some reason when a crime is committed, the only time people think religion is relevant is when it's islam.
clearly you don't really know what you're talking about, the KKK believed the bible was only tolerant of white protestants. and this is far from the only example of christians killing people on religious grounds.
Why does everyone refer to the KKK in past tense? Unless I'm mistaken they are the fastest growing group in America.
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