Lord Tebbit urges by-election voters to back UKIP in attempt to derail Lib Dems

[-:Undertaker:-]

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Lord Tebbit urges by-election voters to back UKIP in attempt to derail Lib Dems


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Lord Tebbit (left), Nick Clegg (centre) & David Cameron (right): fears that the Liberal Democrats may drop behind the Tories in the Oldham East by-election - Lord Tebbit urges voters to back UKIP to push Lib Dems into fourth place.



Tory grandee Lord Tebbit has called for voters to back the UK Independence Party in the Oldham by-election in a bid to push the Lib Dems into fourth place. The former cabinet minister sought to derail David Cameron’s tacit deal to help the Lib Dems win the seat from Labour. He warned that a victory for Nick Clegg’s party would push the Coalition further to the left. In a statement on UKIP’s website, Lord Tebbit said: ‘Of course, as one who believes that the people of this kingdom should govern themselves, I have an instinctive sympathy with the UKIP candidate and I hope that at the very least he puts the Lib Dems into fourth place.

‘A Lib Dem win would tilt the coalition even farther left and away from Conservative policies. ‘A Labour win would give the wild men of the TUC great encouragement to launch a campaign to usurp the Government by a campaign of industrial action.’ Lord Tebbit’s intervention was potentially embarrassing since it came as the Prime Minister made his only campaign trip to the constituency of Oldham East and Saddleworth, where voters go to the polls next Thursday. The by-election was called after Labour MP Phil Woolas was stripped of his seat. He had been caught lying about his opponent during the general election.

The Lib Dems are the main challengers but Mr Clegg’s unpopularity after his party’s U-turn on tuition fees has created fears in senior government circles that they might drop behind the Tories. Mr Cameron denied the Tories were giving their Coalition partners a clear run. He said: ‘If we get the most votes, we can win. Obviously we start in third place. We’re fighting a proper campaign.’ Mr Cameron’s aides declined to comment on Lord Tebbit’s remarks. A Tory spokesman said only: ‘We are fighting to win every vote which is why the Prime Minister was up in Oldham today.'

Well Tebbit often speaks out for real Conservatism and he's done it again, although Oldham East is a hard seat to fight there is a chance for UKIP (or even the BNP for that matter as Oldham East is a divided seat) to beat the Liberal Democrats into fourth place in the by-election. In recent polls (Welsh polling) UKIP have been showing higher across Wales than the Liberal Democrats and a poll put the Liberal Democrats (nationally across the UK) on a mere 7% with UKIP on 5% to 7%.

With anyluck this coalition will be the end of the Liberal Democrats and the final split of the Conservative Party as it morphs into what it really is - a clone of the Liberal Democrats/Labour Party. The media reported a few weeks ago on disgruntled Tories who were angry at strong hints that the Conservatives & Liberal Democrats were going to merge in a final throw of the dice to a) save the Liberal Democrats from electoral oblivion & b) have a final purge against remaining conservatives in the Tory Party.

Recent national polling:

Labour Party 43%
Conservative and Unionist Party 39%
Liberal Democrats 7% to 9%
UK Independence Party 4% to 7%
British National Party 1% to 3%
Green Party 1% to 2%

Anyway i've put a poll up asking if you would back a merged Liberal-Conservative Party (by would you back such a party, I mean would you consider supporting such a party if it came into existence)?

Thoughts?

[Fez]

Liberal-Conservative party would mean putting two parties with the same ideologies and policies together. All that is different is a few sparse policies such as trident, tuition fees and the like which would likely be cannibalized in favour of something akin to approach the Tories are taken anyway. They may as well be a Labour-Conservative party by all I care as you can't put anything between them, it all seems like they've blurred the lines and real opposition to get into power is 'Labour'. It's another repeat of the same UK political stage since the beginning of time and now we're on the 21st century it's time for a shake-up I think. Put a few independents in there with the experienced folk, dabble with putting a few of them in key positions; put a party in power that's different and new and isn't afraid to fall back on false promises or the usual array of lies and **** that this country has been led to believe for the last twenty years. Orwell dreamed of a day where the people in power had the power to control the people, and that day is fast approaching in that with the avenue of the age of information comes the age of misinformation; in that we're led to believe it's just a three-horse race.

I say that no matter your allegiance to any of the main parties, you have to agree that we need some new blood in parliament. Something to shake it up and stop the three-horse fiasco, I'd rather a national democracy than a parliamentary democracy.

On another note, the Pirate Party is currently ahead of the Lib Dems in the Oldham by-election, I think. A local newspaper did a small street survey and found that we were ahead of them by a few percentages, and that (if I can remember correctly) UKIP was fighting it out with Labour for first place. It was only a street survey and thus inaccurate but food for thought.

Labour, Lib-Dem, Liberal-Conservative, Conservative - out of the old, in with the new.

EDIT: Why haven't you put PPUK/Others in the poll? I know they're not big and all, being barely a year and a half old, but I know many members on this board support them.

[Robbie]

The Labour candidate idk what shes called, woke me up at like 20 past 8 in morning last saturday knocking on my door. I just said 'ukip are better' and shut the door. Lib Dems seem to be doing alright. Labour have knocked on about 8 times and I've had the pirate party once.

[Inseriousity.]

I think the vote about tuition fees has highlighted my main concern about a coalition. Votes will be pushed through or argued against with the strength of two parties rather than one meaning it's a rather one-sided affair. If it was a conservative minority government, I'd put a high bet on the tuition fees vote being mostly against.

Would I support a liberal-conservative party? Probably not but I wouldn't like to say for definite as it really depends on a number of things.

I agree with Fez that a few independents would probably shake things up a bit more although they always appear to me to be at a disadvantage under the current system as everyone thinks it's a wasted vote if you don't vote for one of the top 3 although I'm sure there was an independent elected in the last election so kudos to them for beating the odds. Unless there's a change to the system though, I imagine that'll be the exception to the rule though rather than becoming the norm.

[Fez]

The Labour candidate idk what shes called, woke me up at like 20 past 8 in morning last saturday knocking on my door. I just said 'ukip are better' and shut the door. Lib Dems seem to be doing alright. Labour have knocked on about 8 times and I've had the pirate party once.

Was it a chap by the name of Loz Kaye (Pirate Party) who talked to you? Must be pretty frustrating having visits everyday, whole by-election is a showing of post-election post-first year strength and its good to see independents doing so well.

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I agree with Fez that a few independents would probably shake things up a bit more although they always appear to me to be at a disadvantage under the current system as everyone thinks it's a wasted vote if you don't vote for one of the top 3 although I'm sure there was an independent elected in the last election so kudos to them for beating the odds. Unless there's a change to the system though, I imagine that'll be the exception to the rule though rather than becoming the norm.

The Pirate Party and many others are for the AV Campaign (http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/campaigns-issues/av-referendum/) which will mean fairer voting - and it will be done via a referendum, democracy in action (we don't get that often). I don't think there's ever a wasted vote anyway and you could say if for instance the 1st party got 10,000 votes and the 2nd party got 8,999 then 1,000 votes for the 1st party were wasted votes really.

[Robbie]

Was it a chap by the name of Loz Kaye (Pirate Party) who talked to you? Must be pretty frustrating having visits everyday, whole by-election is a showing of post-election post-first year strength and its good to see independents doing so well.

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The Pirate Party and many others are for the AV Campaign (http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/campaigns-issues/av-referendum/) which will mean fairer voting - and it will be done via a referendum, democracy in action (we don't get that often). I don't think there's ever a wasted vote anyway and you could say if for instance the 1st party got 10,000 votes and the 2nd party got 8,999 then 1,000 votes for the 1st party were wasted votes really.

Not sure, there were four of them there. Possibly.

[Fez]

Not sure, there were four of them there. Possibly.

There is a squad of them going around Oldham, so I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't show up personally.

[Nationalism]

As a BNP voter, i would vote UKIP so that the Liberal Democrats would be "derailed".
I could sit here all night and type up why none of the three main parties are best suited for government of the United Kingdom, but i'd get nowhere.
I'm not pro-UKIP however nor am i anti-UKIP, the biggest thing for me at the moment is the immediate withdrawal from the un-elected European Union and any political party which wants that, is in my good books immediately.
After that, i believe then this country can actually move forward and begin to become Great once again.

Yes, i would back UKIP electorally and strategically, but i am defiantly not a pro-UKIP voter, i am BNP.

[Technologic]

As i'm sure none of you have been to Oldham let me tell you this, the libs nor the cons have a chance.

[Robbie]

As i'm sure none of you have been to Oldham let me tell you this, the libs nor the cons have a chance.

i live there

[Technologic]

i live there
Well, i'm not wrong am i?

[GommeInc]

I'm tempted to vote UKIP. The Conservatives, Labour and the Lib Dems are all too similar and all too useless. We may as well give another party a chance, because these 3 have been huge disappointments in the last 10 years. The Lib Dems shouldn't of got as many votes, they just say things to please the crowd but when it comes to walking the walk they tumble. UKIP seem decent enough, even though the mass-media and these 3 parties make them out to be racists, when in actual fact they're far from it and tackle a rather soft area of immigration and the EU, and seeing as the EU is a huge problem we may as well vote in a party with enough guts to stick up to it.

[Robbie]

Well, i'm not wrong am i?

well, i've not seen much of the lib dems in terms of like campaigning, but the people in my area at least are like die-hard lib dem supporters lol. ukip have taken out a few billboards and i've had quite a lot from them. in terms of campaigning i'd say, in order of most presence:

UKIP
Labour
Conservatives
BNP
EVERYONE ELSE inc. ENGLISH DEMOCRATS LOL
dem libs.

[Nationalism]

I'm tempted to vote UKIP. The Conservatives, Labour and the Lib Dems are all too similar and all too useless. We may as well give another party a chance, because these 3 have been huge disappointments in the last 10 years. The Lib Dems shouldn't of got as many votes, they just say things to please the crowd but when it comes to walking the walk they tumble. UKIP seem decent enough, even though the mass-media and these 3 parties make them out to be racists, when in actual fact they're far from it and tackle a rather soft area of immigration and the EU, and seeing as the EU is a huge problem we may as well vote in a party with enough guts to stick up to it.
Yes, this is why i would also vote for UKIP.
The three major parties need abolishing in my opinion, a political revolution will happen one day in this country and it will be one day soon.
The sooner a uprising political anti-EU party has a chance of winning an election, the better in my opinion - i think UKIP are the party to do it.
As much as i'd like to see Nick Griffin in change with the BNP, it's not going to happen anytime soon.

[Technologic]

well, i've not seen much of the lib dems in terms of like campaigning, but the people in my area at least are like die-hard lib dem supporters lol. ukip have taken out a few billboards and i've had quite a lot from them. in terms of campaigning i'd say, in order of most presence:

UKIP
Labour
Conservatives
BNP
EVERYONE ELSE inc. ENGLISH DEMOCRATS LOL
dem libs.

If the english democrats won it would be bare jokes. How much of a chance would you give UKIP?

[Robbie]

If the english democrats won it would be bare jokes. How much of a chance would you give UKIP?

meh, they should do better but most people here are stuck in their ways of 'this is who i've always voted for' - and looaaddss of people aren't even bothering to go and vote, nobody in my family either.

[Fez]

EVERYONE ELSE inc. ENGLISH DEMOCRATS LOL
dem libs.

That gave me a good chuckle.

Oldham is a very strong Labour and Lib Dem place. It's more important than anything on the political stage because two things have happened. One, the main reason we're having a by-election is because the Labour candidate that did win the seat was found to be lying and other miscounts of votes was found, thus Oldham became less Labour centric. Two, because the Lib Dems were swallowed whole by the Tories last year and now no-one wants to vote for them.

This leaves it a wide open election and perhaps not even the Tories have a chance given the fluctuation of events.

[Catzsy]

Well Labour are way ahead in the polls according to this article:
http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/6601178/the-pollsters-have-labour-running-away-with-it-in-oldham-east.thtml

Lib Dems are looking like third place although it is only a forecast. Although it would take an awful lot of votes to UKIP to dislodge them it would give Tony Clegg a shot in ths broadside. I wouldn't want to say the party because I am sure most them believe they have been sold down the river too although many won't say this publicly. @ Nationalism there will be no revolution here soon - it is a small amount of the UK population who actually agree with BNP policies and I am, for one, greatful for that.

[Nationalism]

@ Nationalism there will be no revolution here soon - it is a small amount of the UK population who actually agree with BNP policies and I am, for one, greatful for that.
Yes there will, many people are getting sick to their back teeth of being told what to do by un-elected morons from the EU, who steal our money every single day.
It's people who are un-patriotic, ignorant and un-informed who can't see that.
A revolution is bound to happen in politics and it will happen one day soon, in my opinion.
If you disagree with BNP policies, then good for you, however nobody mentioned the BNP - just you, you must see the BNP as a threat or something, i do not know.
If you disagree with national service, strict immigration, no "global warming & climate change" taxations, re-patriotising foreign nationals who enter here illegally, providing a better country for our elderly and not making cuts in any of the emergency services (just to name a few) - then that's entirely upto you.

[Technologic]

Yes there will, many people are getting sick to their back teeth of being told what to do by un-elected morons from the EU, who steal our money every single day.
It's people who are un-patriotic, ignorant and un-informed who can't see that.
A revolution is bound to happen in politics and it will happen one day soon, in my opinion.
If you disagree with BNP policies, then good for you, however nobody mentioned the BNP - just you, you must see the BNP as a threat or something, i do not know.
If you disagree with national service, strict immigration, no "global warming & climate change" taxations, re-patriotising foreign nationals who enter here illegally, providing a better country for our elderly and not making cuts in any of the emergency services (just to name a few) - then that's entirely upto you.

There won't be a revolution at all, simply the back and forth from red to blue as has always been and always will.

[Nationalism]

There won't be a revolution at all, simply the back and forth from red to blue as has always been and always will.
I disagree.
One day we must wake up and see that the poison which is the EU, is not best for our country and that we are better suited without it.

[-:Undertaker:-]

There won't be a revolution at all, simply the back and forth from red to blue as has always been and always will.

Whether a revolution comes at the ballot box or another way is unknown, however if you look at membership of the main two political parties the membership has been rapidly falling (even for the Conservative Party which was apparently 'regenerated' from Camerons election as leader in 2005, membership has been in freefall). I'm keen on the Peter Hitchens description of them both, that they are similar to two dead bodies propped up against one another - once one falls, the other does.

To add to that, although the polls don't show it (purposely); the biggest voting group is 'none'.

[alexxxxx]

As a BNP voter,i am BNP.

ah i thought all this nazi stuff you had one was actually just a joke, i didn't actually know you were one.

in this by-election I hope neither the lib-dems or the tories win the seat. i think there might be a v low turnout so wouldn't be surprised if UKIP sneaked a seat.

the BNP are a joke & UKIP everso slightly less. not read an awful lot about the pirate party apart from its stance on privacy laws so i guess i'd prefer them to win than any of them. a labour win would be OK.

oh and nationalism (not Dan), could you explain your reasons (in detail) why you don't like the EU.

[Nationalism]

ah i thought all this nazi stuff you had one was actually just a joke, i didn't actually know you were one.
The BNP are far from the Nazi party - and being a fan of the BNP doesn't make you a Nazi.

When you can string a paragraph together without insulting me and without insulting the BNP then you might get somewhere within a debate/argument.
I guess you must've forgot your not supposed to insult people or their political beliefs here, or does that not apply to you?

I'll write up, in detail at your request, why the European Union is a super-state wannabe monster eating our money later when i have some free time.

[alexxxxx]

The BNP are far from the Nazi party - and being a fan of the BNP doesn't make you a Nazi.

When you can string a paragraph together without insulting me and without insulting the BNP then you might get somewhere within a debate/argument.
I guess you must've forgot your not supposed to insult people or their political beliefs here, or does that not apply to you?

I'll write up, in detail at your request, why the European Union is a super-state wannabe monster eating our money later when i have some free time.

You have national socialism in german in your sig, which is the ideology of the nazi's (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei) - what am i to expect!? When the BNP have said they are very nationalist and are socialist! :)

I look forward to your well sourced and referenced piece ;)

[Catzsy]

Yes there will, many people are getting sick to their back teeth of being told what to do by un-elected morons from the EU, who steal our money every single day

It's people who are un-patriotic, ignorant and un-informed who can't see that.
A revolution is bound to happen in politics and it will happen one day soon, in my opinion.
If you disagree with BNP policies, then good for you, however nobody mentioned the BNP - just you, you must see the BNP as a threat or something, i do not know.
If you disagree with national service, strict immigration, no "global warming & climate change" taxations, re-patriotising foreign nationals who enter here illegally, providing a better country for our elderly and not making cuts in any of the emergency services (just to name a few) - then that's entirely upto you.

What about the rest of the manifesto? :P Anyway, you said you supported the BNP so obviously I then surmise that is what you are talking about. You said:
Yes, i would back UKIP electorally and strategically, but i am defiantly not a pro-UKIP voter, i am BNP. I don't see the BNP as a threat at all - they are just a party with delusions of grandeur of their support within this country. I say again there will be no revolution. The EU is elected although I do feel that it is too bureaucratic and the party that comes up with a way to streamline this will get a lot of votes but the people of this country are not going to rise up because if that. Saying that Britain should just 'withdraw' is just 'pie in the sky' - somebody has to come up with a viable alternative and tell the people of this country what it is and how they will be affected.

It's people who are un-patriotic, ignorant and un-informed who can't see that.
Tbh I do not find you particularly well informed. It seems you you soak in the rhetoric rantings of the far right as shown by your quote above.

[Fez]

I've been chatting with a few PPUK activists and a few groups going around Oldham, over Twitter, and apparently the goal of our campaigning is perhaps not to win a seat but...

1) Establish a presence in the area and the wider media
2) Hunt down other more 'viable' candidates who will likely win the seat, who will have other political figures nearby, talk to them about our core policies and needs.
3) Establish a relationship with the voters.

So essentially our aim here is not to win the seat, but to secure a candidate in the seat who will hold up the same values as we do and spread them. This is pretty much what the party has wanted to achieve in its early days anyway, sprinkle a few members throughout parliament to talk to their peers and get the ball moving. I would never label us as viable to govern the country, with the party being so young, but to make decisions and raise awareness of issues such as surveillance, legality of filesharing and general freedom of speech is at the core of the party. If we manage to win the Oldham seat I will be shocked, surprised and oh so proud; but it's very unlikely. More than likely we'll still get a higher vote % then we did in the general election perhaps overall (0.34% overall vote of the full country, 1400 votes).

[Catzsy]

I've been chatting with a few PPUK activists and a few groups going around Oldham, over Twitter, and apparently the goal of our campaigning is perhaps not to win a seat but...

1) Establish a presence in the area and the wider media
2) Hunt down other more 'viable' candidates who will likely win the seat, who will have other political figures nearby, talk to them about our core policies and needs.
3) Establish a relationship with the voters.

So essentially our aim here is not to win the seat, but to secure a candidate in the seat who will hold up the same values as we do and spread them. This is pretty much what the party has wanted to achieve in its early days anyway, sprinkle a few members throughout parliament to talk to their peers and get the ball moving. I would never label us as viable to govern the country, with the party being so young, but to make decisions and raise awareness of issues such as surveillance, legality of filesharing and general freedom of speech is at the core of the party. If we manage to win the Oldham seat I will be shocked, surprised and oh so proud; but it's very unlikely. More than likely we'll still get a higher vote % then we did in the general election perhaps overall (0.34% overall vote of the full country, 1400 votes).

Well if you can get enough votes not to lose your deposit that is a good result for such a young party.

[Nationalism]

What about the rest of the manifesto? :P Anyway, you said you supported the BNP so obviously I then surmise that is what you are talking about. You said: I don't see the BNP as a threat at all - they are just a party with delusions of grandeur of their support within this country. I say again there will be no revolution. The EU is elected although I do feel that it is too bureaucratic and the party that comes up with a way to streamline this will get a lot of votes but the people of this country are not going to rise up because if that. Saying that Britain should just 'withdraw' is just 'pie in the sky' - somebody has to come up with a viable alternative and tell the people of this country what it is and how they will be affected.

Tbh I do not find you particularly well informed. It seems you you soak in the rhetoric rantings of the far right as shown by your quote above.
What about the rest of it? I said to name a few, i wasn't going to name the whole manifesto to prove a point now was i?
The BNP do give extremely good answers as to why our country should withdraw from the EU, aswell as UKIP do (if not, better).
Everybody knows deep down that the EU is a super-state ideology that will be far worse than any "Nazi" ideology of a "Germania", but time and time again - you all use this "Nazi" and "Hitler" thing against whatever i say.
There are already two fantastic alternatives to pro-EU parties, these are UKIP & the BNP.
I could sit here and chat all day about how the BNP aren't skinhead fascist scum but are in fact a serious political party that is interested in British interests and British interests alone.

Your last statement, i took offence to - i am not well informed? Why? Because i have different beliefs to you?
At least i am loyal to what i believe in, can i ask which party, political movement or even which "wing" you believe in?
Let me guess, you don't support any party or political movement. :frustrated:

[Catzsy]

What about the rest of it? I said to name a few, i wasn't going to name the whole manifesto to prove a point now was i?
The BNP do give extremely good answers as to why our country should withdraw from the EU, aswell as UKIP do (if not, better).
Everybody knows deep down that the EU is a super-state ideology that will be far worse than any "Nazi" ideology of a "Germania", but time and time again - you all use this "Nazi" and "Hitler" thing against whatever i say.
There are already two fantastic alternatives to pro-EU parties, these are UKIP & the BNP.
I could sit here and chat all day about how the BNP aren't skinhead fascist scum but are in fact a serious political party that is interested in British interests and British interests alone.

Your last statement, i took offence to - i am not well informed? Why? Because i have different beliefs to you?
At least i am loyal to what i believe in, can i ask which party, political movement or even which "wing" you believe in?
Let me guess, you don't support any party or political movement. :frustrated:


I am a active labour supporter. always have been, and if you don't know that then you are really not very well informed as it is very well known on here. As far as UKIP are concerned yes they do have some okay policies but the BNP whilst they maybe a serious political party , having looked at the BNP manifesto, on many occasions, I can say that they are most certainly facist and have racist views/policies and only have the indigenous people of Britain interests at heart. I don't stoop so low as to call anybody scum.

[Nationalism]

I am a active labour supporter. always have been, and if you don't know that then you are really not very well informed as it is very well known on here. As far as UKIP are concerned yes they do have some okay policies but the BNP whilst they maybe a serious political party , having looked at the BNP manifesto, on many occasions, I can say that they are most certainly facist and have racist views/policies and only have the indigenous people of Britain interests at heart. I don't stoop so low as to call anybody scum.
I wouldn't say i was not well informed if i didn't know you were a labour supporter, it's probably just because i don't take notice of you as your arguments are always not satisfactory or anything to take notice of.
As far as fascism and racism is concerned, if re-patriotising non-British citizens with the promise of Britain never interfering with their foreign affairs is deemed "facsist" by you - then so be it. The BNP simply want a a country filled with it's homelands people, a country that can have it's own laws, a country that has it's own measurements & currency, a safe country, a patriotic country and most importantly of all a proud country.
Handing away all your border controls to a super-state wannabe, is not the right thing to do.

If your referring to "scum" as the BNP, then your offending me again - remember no offending allowed here? Or does that not apply to staff. :rolleyes:

[Fez]

I didn't know where to put this but apparently voter turnout has been very low so far, the plan for PPUK is to go door knocking and get people out. I've read tweets about electioneers waking people up at the crack of dawn to vote and some stories where they haven't seen a Tory poster or advocate at all today. With the Lib Dems on such little chances and with a low turnout, I've got no doubt that I'l going to make a bet; that PPUK will get at least 1% of the final vote. I have a feeling UKIP will do tremendously well with the other big two aside from Labour doing poorly.

[Robbie]

I didn't know where to put this but apparently voter turnout has been very low so far, the plan for PPUK is to go door knocking and get people out. I've read tweets about electioneers waking people up at the crack of dawn to vote and some stories where they haven't seen a Tory poster or advocate at all today. With the Lib Dems on such little chances and with a low turnout, I've got no doubt that I'l going to make a bet; that PPUK will get at least 1% of the final vote. I have a feeling UKIP will do tremendously well with the other big two aside from Labour doing poorly.

I don't know anyone who is voting, other than the old people on my street. Who are voting Lib Dem. I did witness this myself too: http://www.indhome.com/2011/01/bnp-scared-strong-ukip-performance-oldham/

[Fez]

Turnout is between 40 and 45%, Labour say.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2011/jan/13/oldham-east-saddleworth-byelection-results-live#block-17

Yup.

[Robbie]

Labour win.

Lab
Lib
Con
Ukip
Bnp
Everyone else nobody likes

[Catzsy]

I wouldn't say i was not well informed if i didn't know you were a labour supporter, it's probably just because i don't take notice of you as your arguments are always not satisfactory or anything to take notice of.
As far as fascism and racism is concerned, if re-patriotising non-British citizens with the promise of Britain never interfering with their foreign affairs is deemed "facsist" by you - then so be it. The BNP simply want a a country filled with it's homelands people, a country that can have it's own laws, a country that has it's own measurements & currency, a safe country, a patriotic country and most importantly of all a proud country.
Handing away all your border controls to a super-state wannabe, is not the right thing to do.

If your referring to "scum" as the BNP, then your offending me again - remember no offending allowed here? Or does that not apply to staff. :rolleyes:

1. I don't stoop so low as to call anybody 'scum' that is what I said - how can you interpret that any other way! I think you will find that being 'rude' to/about somebody is against the rules - this doesn't extend to being rude about a political party. If that was offending then most of the members in this section would break the rules.

2. Actually I would take it as an honour if you didn't read/reply to my posts


3. Your description of the BNP sounds like 'Alice in Facist' Land and that's where it will always be.

4. Labour won by a thumping majority - argument/discussion over.

[MrPinkPanther]

The Pirate Party and many others are for the AV Campaign (http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/campaigns-issues/av-referendum/) which will mean fairer voting - and it will be done via a referendum, democracy in action (we don't get that often). I don't think there's ever a wasted vote anyway and you could say if for instance the 1st party got 10,000 votes and the 2nd party got 8,999 then 1,000 votes for the 1st party were wasted votes really.

AV is not fair, AV is not proportional. Sorry.

[Moh]

Although Labour got it, I agree with most the things UKIP stand for, especially getting away from the EU! They're pretty much stealing from us every day when the country can't afford it. Just people don't seam to care because we get cheaper travel to other countries within the EU :/

Their views on Education and global warming are also good ^_^

[-:Undertaker:-]

Labour Party 42.1%
Liberal Democrats 31.9%
Conservative Party 12.8%
UK Independence Party (UKIP) 5.8%
British National Party (BNP) 4.5%

Well it seems tribalism is still well and alive in Oldham and Saddleworth, I just wonder are the people of Oldham and Saddleworth aware of the £7.9tn debt the Labour government left behind? that's not to mention the handovers of power to the European Union, the seeping in of political correctness and just general corruption of the last 13 years.

And when I say Labour, I also am referring often to the Liberal Democrats and the Conservative Party.


I am a active labour supporter. always have been, and if you don't know that then you are really not very well informed as it is very well known on here. As far as UKIP are concerned yes they do have some okay policies but the BNP whilst they maybe a serious political party , having looked at the BNP manifesto, on many occasions, I can say that they are most certainly facist and have racist views/policies and only have the indigenous people of Britain interests at heart. I don't stoop so low as to call anybody scum.

I agree, but would that also apply to the 'positive discrimination' policies of the Labour Party?


The EU is elected although I do feel that it is too bureaucratic and the party that comes up with a way to streamline this will get a lot of votes but the people of this country are not going to rise up because if that. Saying that Britain should just 'withdraw' is just 'pie in the sky' - somebody has to come up with a viable alternative and tell the people of this country what it is and how they will be affected.

The EU is not elected and I ask you to explain how it is at all elected. The only part of the European Union that the British people are able to elect is the EU parliament which is nothing more than a talking shop and does not have any real parliamentary powers. That said, even if the EU parliament did have real legislative powers we would still be outvoted as a nation on many issues as we already are on trivial issues as we only have a population of around 60m out of 450m odd.

Herman Van Rompuy is not elected.
Jose Barroso and the Commission (the motor for integration) are not elected.

This is a recent video from around a month ago, and this is their idea of 'EU democracy' - their cracked mindset;



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlYMBX8006Y


Elected in secret.. by friends.

[Robbie]

The biggest positive I saw from this vote was how present UKIP were throughout Oldham. Nobody else (that I saw) took out multiple billboards etc. This was always expected anyway, everyone here is stuck in their ways and this seat will probably swing from Lab to Lib and back again until the end of time.

http://twitter.com/#!/IABarker/status/24273400323117056
http://twitter.com/#!/HouseofTwits/status/25941548399071232
http://twitter.com/#!/jreynoldsMP/status/25938135422607360
http://twitter.com/#!/lewis_baston/status/25690904417280000
http://twitter.com/#!/JonRidge/status/25706339795734528
http://twitter.com/#!/anoif_/status/25597079149617153
http://twitter.com/#!/LizMcInnes/status/25330958534180864
http://twitter.com/#!/LukeYoung/status/24123776174133249
http://twitter.com/#!/hannoir/status/24115649852739584
http://twitter.com/#!/JamesABolton/status/24822170639138816
http://twitter.com/#!/chrisjlovell/status/25520962199879680
http://twitter.com/#!/chriswiggin/status/25484576180666368


http://ukipoldham.org/2011/01/12/billboards-attacked-again/

That's enough for now :P

[Fez]

Pretty disappointing and a tad embarrassing to see PPUK on little over 98 votes with 0.3% of the final vote. I imagine it's because of the massive Labour vote and people wanting to give a kick in the government but I don't think it was the right way to go about things. I guess the people didn't want to 'throw their vote away' and thought 'nobody would vote for them', even if they agreed with the policies and whatnot.

Shame too, oh well, we got our name further out there. Next step: May council elections.