Lord Tebbit urges by-election voters to back UKIP in attempt to derail Lib Dems

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Lord Tebbit urges by-election voters to back UKIP in attempt to derail Lib Dems

Lord Tebbit (left), Nick Clegg (centre) & David Cameron (right): fears that the Liberal Democrats may drop behind the Tories in the Oldham East by-election - Lord Tebbit urges voters to back UKIP to push Lib Dems into fourth place.

Tory grandee Lord Tebbit has called for voters to back the UK Independence Party in the Oldham by-election in a bid to push the Lib Dems into fourth place. The former cabinet minister sought to derail David Cameron’s tacit deal to help the Lib Dems win the seat from Labour. He warned that a victory for Nick Clegg’s party would push the Coalition further to the left. In a statement on UKIP’s website, Lord Tebbit said: ‘Of course, as one who believes that the people of this kingdom should govern themselves, I have an instinctive sympathy with the UKIP candidate and I hope that at the very least he puts the Lib Dems into fourth place.

‘A Lib Dem win would tilt the coalition even farther left and away from Conservative policies. ‘A Labour win would give the wild men of the TUC great encouragement to launch a campaign to usurp the Government by a campaign of industrial action.’ Lord Tebbit’s intervention was potentially embarrassing since it came as the Prime Minister made his only campaign trip to the constituency of Oldham East and Saddleworth, where voters go to the polls next Thursday. The by-election was called after Labour MP Phil Woolas was stripped of his seat. He had been caught lying about his opponent during the general election.

The Lib Dems are the main challengers but Mr Clegg’s unpopularity after his party’s U-turn on tuition fees has created fears in senior government circles that they might drop behind the Tories. Mr Cameron denied the Tories were giving their Coalition partners a clear run. He said: ‘If we get the most votes, we can win. Obviously we start in third place. We’re fighting a proper campaign.’ Mr Cameron’s aides declined to comment on Lord Tebbit’s remarks. A Tory spokesman said only: ‘We are fighting to win every vote which is why the Prime Minister was up in Oldham today.'

Well Tebbit often speaks out for real Conservatism and he's done it again, although Oldham East is a hard seat to fight there is a chance for UKIP (or even the BNP for that matter as Oldham East is a divided seat) to beat the Liberal Democrats into fourth place in the by-election. In recent polls (Welsh polling) UKIP have been showing higher across Wales than the Liberal Democrats and a poll put the Liberal Democrats (nationally across the UK) on a mere 7% with UKIP on 5% to 7%.

With anyluck this coalition will be the end of the Liberal Democrats and the final split of the Conservative Party as it morphs into what it really is - a clone of the Liberal Democrats/Labour Party. The media reported a few weeks ago on disgruntled Tories who were angry at strong hints that the Conservatives & Liberal Democrats were going to merge in a final throw of the dice to a) save the Liberal Democrats from electoral oblivion & b) have a final purge against remaining conservatives in the Tory Party.

Recent national polling:

Labour Party 43%
Conservative and Unionist Party 39%
Liberal Democrats 7% to 9%
UK Independence Party 4% to 7%
British National Party 1% to 3%
Green Party 1% to 2%

Anyway i've put a poll up asking if you would back a merged Liberal-Conservative Party (by would you back such a party, I mean would you consider supporting such a party if it came into existence)?

Thoughts?

[Fez]

Liberal-Conservative party would mean putting two parties with the same ideologies and policies together. All that is different is a few sparse policies such as trident, tuition fees and the like which would likely be cannibalized in favour of something akin to approach the Tories are taken anyway. They may as well be a Labour-Conservative party by all I care as you can't put anything between them, it all seems like they've blurred the lines and real opposition to get into power is 'Labour'. It's another repeat of the same UK political stage since the beginning of time and now we're on the 21st century it's time for a shake-up I think. Put a few independents in there with the experienced folk, dabble with putting a few of them in key positions; put a party in power that's different and new and isn't afraid to fall back on false promises or the usual array of lies and **** that this country has been led to believe for the last twenty years. Orwell dreamed of a day where the people in power had the power to control the people, and that day is fast approaching in that with the avenue of the age of information comes the age of misinformation; in that we're led to believe it's just a three-horse race.

I say that no matter your allegiance to any of the main parties, you have to agree that we need some new blood in parliament. Something to shake it up and stop the three-horse fiasco, I'd rather a national democracy than a parliamentary democracy.

On another note, the Pirate Party is currently ahead of the Lib Dems in the Oldham by-election, I think. A local newspaper did a small street survey and found that we were ahead of them by a few percentages, and that (if I can remember correctly) UKIP was fighting it out with Labour for first place. It was only a street survey and thus inaccurate but food for thought.

Labour, Lib-Dem, Liberal-Conservative, Conservative - out of the old, in with the new.

EDIT: Why haven't you put PPUK/Others in the poll? I know they're not big and all, being barely a year and a half old, but I know many members on this board support them.

[Robbie]

The Labour candidate idk what shes called, woke me up at like 20 past 8 in morning last saturday knocking on my door. I just said 'ukip are better' and shut the door. Lib Dems seem to be doing alright. Labour have knocked on about 8 times and I've had the pirate party once.

[Inseriousity.]

I think the vote about tuition fees has highlighted my main concern about a coalition. Votes will be pushed through or argued against with the strength of two parties rather than one meaning it's a rather one-sided affair. If it was a conservative minority government, I'd put a high bet on the tuition fees vote being mostly against.

Would I support a liberal-conservative party? Probably not but I wouldn't like to say for definite as it really depends on a number of things.

I agree with Fez that a few independents would probably shake things up a bit more although they always appear to me to be at a disadvantage under the current system as everyone thinks it's a wasted vote if you don't vote for one of the top 3 although I'm sure there was an independent elected in the last election so kudos to them for beating the odds. Unless there's a change to the system though, I imagine that'll be the exception to the rule though rather than becoming the norm.

[Fez]

The Labour candidate idk what shes called, woke me up at like 20 past 8 in morning last saturday knocking on my door. I just said 'ukip are better' and shut the door. Lib Dems seem to be doing alright. Labour have knocked on about 8 times and I've had the pirate party once.

Was it a chap by the name of Loz Kaye (Pirate Party) who talked to you? Must be pretty frustrating having visits everyday, whole by-election is a showing of post-election post-first year strength and its good to see independents doing so well.

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I agree with Fez that a few independents would probably shake things up a bit more although they always appear to me to be at a disadvantage under the current system as everyone thinks it's a wasted vote if you don't vote for one of the top 3 although I'm sure there was an independent elected in the last election so kudos to them for beating the odds. Unless there's a change to the system though, I imagine that'll be the exception to the rule though rather than becoming the norm.

The Pirate Party and many others are for the AV Campaign (http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/campai...av-referendum/) which will mean fairer voting - and it will be done via a referendum, democracy in action (we don't get that often). I don't think there's ever a wasted vote anyway and you could say if for instance the 1st party got 10,000 votes and the 2nd party got 8,999 then 1,000 votes for the 1st party were wasted votes really.

[Robbie]

Was it a chap by the name of Loz Kaye (Pirate Party) who talked to you? Must be pretty frustrating having visits everyday, whole by-election is a showing of post-election post-first year strength and its good to see independents doing so well.

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The Pirate Party and many others are for the AV Campaign (http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/campai...av-referendum/) which will mean fairer voting - and it will be done via a referendum, democracy in action (we don't get that often). I don't think there's ever a wasted vote anyway and you could say if for instance the 1st party got 10,000 votes and the 2nd party got 8,999 then 1,000 votes for the 1st party were wasted votes really.

Not sure, there were four of them there. Possibly.

[Fez]

Not sure, there were four of them there. Possibly.

There is a squad of them going around Oldham, so I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't show up personally.

[Nationalism]

As a BNP voter, i would vote UKIP so that the Liberal Democrats would be "derailed".
I could sit here all night and type up why none of the three main parties are best suited for government of the United Kingdom, but i'd get nowhere.
I'm not pro-UKIP however nor am i anti-UKIP, the biggest thing for me at the moment is the immediate withdrawal from the un-elected European Union and any political party which wants that, is in my good books immediately.
After that, i believe then this country can actually move forward and begin to become Great once again.

Yes, i would back UKIP electorally and strategically, but i am defiantly not a pro-UKIP voter, i am BNP.

[Technologic]

As i'm sure none of you have been to Oldham let me tell you this, the libs nor the cons have a chance.

[Robbie]

As i'm sure none of you have been to Oldham let me tell you this, the libs nor the cons have a chance.

i live there