Customers accuse store of using webcam to spy on them!

[peteyt]

I just read a news article that really shocked me if its true.

Apparently a US rent-to-lease store, Aaron's, Inc., is being accused of using software to turn their laptops built in webcam's into survilance devices.

According to the article a couple took the laptop back to the store and somehow, most likely accidentally, the worker pulled up a picture of the husband.

It's something I've been actually a bit wary of I'll admit. I don't have a laptop but when I have used my webcam I've always taken it out when not in use, especially after hearing a possible rumour that they where hackable - heard about someone who apparently ended up receiving messages in notepad claiming they where being watched.

If I did get a laptop I'd probably cover the webcam if I wasn't using it, but still the thought of someone in a store watching me is freaky

http://techtalk.pcpitstop.com/2011/05/24/i-can-see-you-in-your-home/?

[Chippiewill]

Actually, it could get worse:



US school accused of using laptops to spy on pupilsThe row over a Philadelphia school district accused of secretly spying on pupils through laptop cameras escalated today after it acknowledged capturing more than 56,000 images of its students, many of them in their homes.

When the scandal first broke, it was believed that only a few pictures had been taken of one pupil, Blake Robbins. But court papers released this week showed that thousands of images were taken of Robbins and other students.
Robbins and his parents have filed an action against the school district of Lower Merion in an affluent suburb of Philadelphia. Court papers from the Robbins's lawyers said that at first it was thought that the laptops' "peeping tom" technology had produced a few images but they found more than 400 of Robbins, including images "showing him partially undressed and sleeping".
There were images of other students in their homes as well.
"Not only was Blake Robbins being spied upon, but every one of the people he was IM [instant message] chatting with were spied upon," said Robbins's lawyer, Mark Haltzman.
Henry Hockeimer, a lawyer for Harriton school which Robbins attended, revealed that at least 56,000 webcam pictures and other images were taken from students' laptops but he denied any were of a salacious nature.
The school district issued 2,300 laptops to students and said it activated the spyware installed in them to try to track 80 that had gone missing. The system has now been deactivated.
The row began when Robbins was confronted in November by a school official suspicious that he may have had drugs in his bedroom and was shown a photograph taken from his laptop.
Robbins said the "pills" were sweets. He and his parents launched the case, claiming violation of civil rights.
Robbins said he did not know why the spying device was activated as his laptop had not been reported stolen or missing. Other students, whose pictures were taken said their laptops had not been reported stolen or missing either.
The FBI is investigating the scandal and the Senate is to look at proposed legislation that would make it a crime to use webcams for spying.
An administrator at the school, one of the few with authority to track the laptops, was refusing to answer questions, citing her constitutional right to remain silent.
The Philadelphia Inquirer reported that 38,500 of the images came from six laptops that had been reported missing from the Harriton gym in September 2008. These apparently helped the police catch a suspect. Another set of images were from cameras in laptops which employees responsible for tracking failed or forgot to turn off.
In about 15 cases, it has not yet been established why the machines were being monitored. In a few other cases, images taken have not been recovered.
Hockeimer said a tracking programme in the devices automatically took images every 15 minutes, usually capturing a photo of the user and a screen shot at the same time.
The programme was sometimes turned on for weeks or months at a time, Hockeimer said.
"There were no written policies or procedures governing the circumstances surrounding activating the program and the circumstances regarding turning off the activations," he said.
The court papers, filed by Robbins' lawyers, said that the technology was activated between 20 October and 4 November last year, with most of the 400 shots of him while he was in his home, and included his family. "There were additional webcam pictures and screen shots taken of Blake Robbins which, to date, have not been recovered because the evidence was purged by the IT department," the court papers say.
His lawyers are trying to obtain access to the administrator's home computer to establish whether she downloaded any of the pictures. The court papers allege she may be a voyeur.
In one email, when an IT person commented on how the viewing of the webcam pictures and screen shots from a student's computer was like a "little LMSD (Lower Merion School District) soap opera", she allegedly replied: "I know, I love it."


This should be considered on the level of putting CCTV cameras in toilets.

[Mr-Trainor]

Well my laptop has a built in webcam but I never use it, although if it's on a light comes on next to it.
Anyway, the fact people/companies are using them to spy on people does not sound right at all and is fairly shocking really.

[peteyt]

Jesus. What's even funnier is someone is telling me the school partly has a right as it is their property.

A right? So they take their laptop up and start getting changed in their room. The school has a right to watch?

[Metric1]

The laptop should be used for school work only.

[Eoin247]

Scary stuff here. Another unfortunate result of the age we live in. Where information is more of a commodity than a rarity.

[GommeInc]

How are the computers communicating with a third party? :S Surely the laptops would be running something to tell the webcam to record and to a website/server somewhere? I wouldn't be surprised if the man took a picture of himself and didn't notice :P The school example is pretty dodgy, it doesn't make sense why they are watching their students in such a way and how they are getting away with it - the US are meant to have stricter privacy laws than us :S

[dbgtz]

This should be considered on the level of putting CCTV cameras in toilets.

and my school done that.

[HotelUser]

A school gave all their students laptops?

[Rachel]

I just read a news article that really shocked me if its true.

Apparently a US rent-to-lease store, Aaron's, Inc., is being accused of using software to turn their laptops built in webcam's into survilance devices.

According to the article a couple took the laptop back to the store and somehow, most likely accidentally, the worker pulled up a picture of the husband.

It's something I've been actually a bit wary of I'll admit. I don't have a laptop but when I have used my webcam I've always taken it out when not in use, especially after hearing a possible rumour that they where hackable - heard about someone who apparently ended up receiving messages in notepad claiming they where being watched.

If I did get a laptop I'd probably cover the webcam if I wasn't using it, but still the thought of someone in a store watching me is freaky

http://techtalk.pcpitstop.com/2011/05/24/i-can-see-you-in-your-home/?


Well the customers are suppose to know that a store suppose to watch whatever is going but to the point of watching them when they are at home is not right. I would press charges to the company of the store. It is not acceptable to do this. That is going into someone's life(buisness). That shouldn't be tolerated at all.

[user130523]

I just read a news article that really shocked me if its true.

Apparently a US rent-to-lease store, Aaron's, Inc., is being accused of using software to turn their laptops built in webcam's into survilance devices.

According to the article a couple took the laptop back to the store and somehow, most likely accidentally, the worker pulled up a picture of the husband.

It's something I've been actually a bit wary of I'll admit. I don't have a laptop but when I have used my webcam I've always taken it out when not in use, especially after hearing a possible rumour that they where hackable - heard about someone who apparently ended up receiving messages in notepad claiming they where being watched.

If I did get a laptop I'd probably cover the webcam if I wasn't using it, but still the thought of someone in a store watching me is freaky

http://techtalk.pcpitstop.com/2011/05/24/i-can-see-you-in-your-home/?
this happened to me before on my old desktop

i had notepads popping up saying to turn the webcam around etc so i was a bit like what? i then covered the cam and turned it around and noticed it was on - i restored my computer though to factory settings & always removed the webcam when not in use

[Red]

Omg that is beyond creepy!! My friend had her cam hacked into once and she had to stick something over it but the thought of a store spying on you ;/

[AgnesIO]

A school gave all their students laptops?

Year Elevens in my old school all get iPad's next year..

[Red]

Year Elevens in my old school all get iPad's next year..

lmao wth. theres really no need :S

[AgnesIO]

lmao wth. theres really no need :S

I agree - I think it is quite bizarre - half the features you could get on a netbook for cheaper lol

[lRhyss]

I agree - I think it is quite bizarre - half the features you could get on a netbook for cheaper lol

It's because Dom goes to a rich snooty school. xD

o/t Weired D:

[AgnesIO]

It's because Dom goes to a rich snooty school. xD

o/t Weired D:

It isn't really that snobby though. I found it quite a bizarre move - there had been talks of laptops etc, but iPad's seem a bit far - and really don't provide as many educational advantages as a Windows machine would.

[Recursion]

It isn't really that snobby though. I found it quite a bizarre move - there had been talks of laptops etc, but iPad's seem a bit far - and really don't provide as many educational advantages as a Windows machine would.

I've seen much debate about iPads in schools, there are some great apps out there for primary schools, but not so much for secondary, IMO Netbooks would suit secondary students more.

[peteyt]

The laptop should be used for school work only.

I agree. And installing stuff on a school laptop to monitor usage would be acceptable. I mean you usually have to sign something to say you won't abuse it e.g. for school computers won't look at inappropriate material, download illegal copyrighted files etc.

However there's a massive difference in watching what sites they go on and actually watching them. For example if their laptop is in their bedroom, which is very likely, and they start to get changed, then the school could seriously be done. It's a bit perverted.

[HotelUser]

Year Elevens in my old school all get iPad's next year..

Your school must have a lot of money to do that!

[GommeInc]

It isn't really that snobby though. I found it quite a bizarre move - there had been talks of laptops etc, but iPad's seem a bit far - and really don't provide as many educational advantages as a Windows machine would.
It isn't private (interview basis) or public/paid for is it? I can't see a state school doing that :P I'm sure a Netbook would be a wiser option, the keys would make typing out whatever year 11 students need to type out faster than that of an iPad, and the cost if you drop it wouldn't be insane :P

Are GCSEs more important these days? I can't think of any reason why you'd need iPads for GCSE level :S

[triston220]

I just read a news article that really shocked me if its true.

If I did get a laptop I'd probably cover the webcam if I wasn't using it, but still the thought of someone in a store watching me is freaky

Read up on remote administration tools.

[Recursion]

Read up on remote administration tools.

You'll most probably get the legit stuff from MS...

[peteyt]

Read up on remote administration tools.

Yeah I know its possible and so on. But to think actual stores and schools are using it is sick.

[Chippiewill]

You'll most probably get the legit stuff from MS...

So just as perverted as the nonlegit stuff?

[Recursion]

So just as perverted as the nonlegit stuff?

Remote Server Administration Tools.

http://media.animevice.com/uploads/1/12807/365188-lol_wut_super.jpg


Yeah I know its possible and so on. But to think actual stores and schools are using it is sick.

It's really not, if you want to make sure your equipment isn't being used for illegitimate purposes then IMO it's perfectly acceptable, of course, they should draw the line at webcams/microphones etc but logging browsing history and log on/off times, network IPs should be perfectly acceptable.

[Chippiewill]

Remote Server Administration Tools.
Yeah, remote desktop is well kinky ain't it.

[peteyt]

Remote Server Administration Tools.

http://media.animevice.com/uploads/1/12807/365188-lol_wut_super.jpg



It's really not, if you want to make sure your equipment isn't being used for illegitimate purposes then IMO it's perfectly acceptable, of course, they should draw the line at webcams/microphones etc but logging browsing history and log on/off times, network IPs should be perfectly acceptable.

Which is the whole point of this post.

I've got nothing wrong with a school or whatever logging websites and stuff -it is their own equipment. However there is a massive issue with privacy when it comes to using webcam's to monitor people in their own home.