Do you think that...

[Judas]

Female artists are always pitted against each other by fans/the media, when males are never forcefully involved in stupid competition like that? And if so, why do you think this is?

It's something I've been interested in for a while, and I don't really understand. Bjork brought it up recently in an interview:


Björk: There is room for everything. Something that is quite common though, and I’ve noticed it even though things have changed a lot, is that there always seems to be room for a lot of male singers, and they don’t get asked to duel.

You have Jay-Z and Kanye West being best mates. There’s always room for many male characters.

DiS: Whereas women tend to be pitted against one another?

Björk: Yeah, still it’s like ‘Christina vs. Britney’. Why? I don’t want to be put in a position where I have to attack her. I thought it was really weird and unfair when M.I.A. and Joanna Newsom were asked about Lady Gaga and then because they didn’t like her music, it was immediately big news online and they had to shoot each other down.

It’s like the three new, most happening female pop girls, the same kind of age, and they had to shoot each other down! Guys are never asked to do that. It’s just ‘the more, the merrier’, you know?

Occasionally in the past, there have been male rivalries usually involving rock bands or rappers, for example Beatles VS Rolling Stones, or Oasis VS Blur, or the countless feuds involving rappers over the years, but it seems like the media are always trying to create tension and cat fights between female artists when there is usually no hate or disrespect there.

So, why do you think it is?

[MKR&*42]

I think it's because people just love watching ***** fights xL

Na, I think it's because generally women are seen to be a lot better in the music industry and so people immediately come to the conclusion there's not enough room for them all and that it's 1 huge competition to decide which is the best artist. GaGa vs Britney is all I hear about on music videos these days x_X

I also think it's because, people would generally associate men with 1 genre "rap" or "rock". Which I just find ridiculous, considering there's a few decent male singers out there who don't sing rap or rock 'stuff', it's simply a stereotype. So, because people usually see men in 1 or 2 genres they probably wouldn't find that much of a problem, considering 'joining up' (forgotten the word) to do a song together would be useful in those genres whereas in R&B and Pop etc. It's all competition.

I just think it's down to people's opinions at the end of the day, I don't see why they feel the need to try and cause a complete war between 2 artists... I love gaga, Britney and Katy Perry, don't see any need for competition - I'd rather have them 'join together' to do a song xL

[FlyingJesus]

Bjork obviously never heard of the massive rivalry between Jay-Z and Nas, or the many other past/ongoing and often lethal feuds between people at all levels in the hip hop world. The difference is that the charts (and therefore music news) are mainly dominated by female solo acts. Is it really that much of a wonder that Britney gets more news stories for her rivalries than when Brisco took a lyrical shot at Wacka Flocka Flame?

[beth]

is that from drowned in sound? (love drowned in sound xoxo) anyway, i think the whole of the music industry is based on rivalry. which is probably right really as when it comes down to it, yr music is only gonna be heard if yr selling it properly.

[Judas]

Bjork obviously never heard of the massive rivalry between Jay-Z and Nas, or the many other past/ongoing and often lethal feuds between people at all levels in the hip hop world. The difference is that the charts (and therefore music news) are mainly dominated by female solo acts. Is it really that much of a wonder that Britney gets more news stories for her rivalries than when Brisco took a lyrical shot at Wacka Flocka Flame?

But it's always been like that since the 90s, maybe even earlier, and the difference between these female pop "rivalries" and feuds with hip hop artists is that the "rivalry" never actually exists, the media and fans constantly try to pit females against each other even when they've said they respect or admire the other artist in question. Why?

The media are always more brutal with females. For example, Bruno Mars was caught using cocaine earlier this year and it wasn't even a big story... You can bet money that if it was Gaga, Britney, Rihanna or whoever it would be a huge deal, and their rep would be damaged.


is that from drowned in sound? (love drowned in sound xoxo) anyway, i think the whole of the music industry is based on rivalry. which is probably right really as when it comes down to it, yr music is only gonna be heard if yr selling it properly.

yeaah it is

[Plebings]

man v man fights = ugly
girl v girl fights = sexy

jk, but idk why really. Off topic: I can't wait for DiS to update :(

[Lamz]

I don't exactly agree... There's a lot of rivalry within' the UK Grime scene both Male & Female... but more male than female, they make a dis track, some1 loses respect from there fans/supporters then they come back with an amazing mixtape & gain that respect back... here's some examples of what I mean:

ALL CONTAIN SWEARING
Chipmunk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9zFyXVq02c)[/URL][URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHer3IgZNgI&feature=related"] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qx1NyhX6rI) VS Lowkey (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQbZEWDDaBc) = Chipmunk lost (but came back with his Transition album & ****Z.COM mixtape)
Bashy VS Aggro Santos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyB3nxn4jiE) Bashy Lost (but came back with his kidulthood to adulthood ttack & mixtapes)
No Lay VS OG Nicki (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woSlhCVNsdw) OG Nicki Lost (She aint come back, ******* ****)
Skepta (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pgceUD9pL8&feature=related) VS Wiley (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrrnHbawml8&feature=related) imo Wiley Lost (hehasn't really come back, he works with bringing in new artist like OG Nicki)

Most of the UK Grime scene is males so that's why there is more male than female but yeah, I don't think the media have anything to do with it at all... it's down to the fans/supporters. Like Nicki Minaj & Lil' Kim, they made that big themselves & the fans & supporters got involved...

[Red]

ahh yes. those type of over obsessed fans who stick to one female artist and then **** of others get on my nerves. The media seems to fuel it as well.

[Judas]

I don't exactly agree... There's a lot of rivalry within' the UK Grime scene both Male & Female... but more male than female, they make a dis track, some1 loses respect from there fans/supporters then they come back with an amazing mixtape & gain that respect back... here's some examples of what I mean:

ALL CONTAIN SWEARING
Chipmunk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9zFyXVq02c)[/URL][URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHer3IgZNgI&feature=related"] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qx1NyhX6rI) VS Lowkey (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQbZEWDDaBc) = Chipmunk lost (but came back with his Transition album & ****Z.COM mixtape)
Bashy VS Aggro Santos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyB3nxn4jiE) Bashy Lost (but came back with his kidulthood to adulthood ttack & mixtapes)
No Lay VS OG Nicki (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woSlhCVNsdw) OG Nicki Lost (She aint come back, ******* ****)
Skepta (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pgceUD9pL8&feature=related) VS Wiley (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrrnHbawml8&feature=related) imo Wiley Lost (hehasn't really come back, he works with bringing in new artist like OG Nicki)

Most of the UK Grime scene is males so that's why there is more male than female but yeah, I don't think the media have anything to do with it at all... it's down to the fans/supporters. Like Nicki Minaj & Lil' Kim, they made that big themselves & the fans & supporters got involved...

Clearly you have absolutely misunderstood the point of the thread

[Lamz]

Clearly you have absolutely misunderstood the point of the thread

Female artists are always pitted against each other by fans/the media, when males are never forcefully involved in stupid competition like that? And if so, why do you think this is?

Was the question & I answered it

[Judas]

Female artists are always pitted against each other by fans/the media, when males are never forcefully involved in stupid competition like that? And if so, why do you think this is?

Was the question & I answered it

Yeah they are never forced into a competition, except when they make it. My point is that the media tries to make competition and rivalries with female artists without any involvement of the artists involved. You didn't answer the question at all. Like Bjork said, which I quoted in the OP:

I thought it was really weird and unfair when M.I.A. and Joanna Newsom were asked about Lady Gaga and then because they didn’t like her music, it was immediately big news online and they had to shoot each other down.

It’s like the three new, most happening female pop girls, the same kind of age, and they had to shoot each other down! Guys are never asked to do that. It’s just ‘the more, the merrier’, you know?

[Lamz]

Yeah they are never forced into a competition, except when they make it. My point is that the media tries to make competition and rivalries with female artists without any involvement of the artists involved. You didn't answer the question at all. Like Bjork said, which I quoted in the OP:

I thought it was really weird and unfair when M.I.A. and Joanna Newsom were asked about Lady Gaga and then because they didn’t like her music, it was immediately big news online and they had to shoot each other down.

It’s like the three new, most happening female pop girls, the same kind of age, and they had to shoot each other down! Guys are never asked to do that. It’s just ‘the more, the merrier’, you know?

Maybe not with mainstream male pop artist, 'cause all there **** sounds the same. but in other genre's such as rap, hip hop & grime... it happens a lot

[Judas]

Maybe not with mainstream male pop artist, 'cause all there **** sounds the same. but in other genre's such as rap, hip hop & grime... it happens a lot

What a typically ignorant view of pop music... And no you are still not getting the point

[ColyTom]

How about the Gallagher brothers / Robbie & Gary Barlow / Robbie & Oasis ?

[Judas]

How about the Gallagher brothers / Robbie & Gary Barlow / Robbie & Oasis ?

So many people are missing the point, this thread is such a fail LOL

With all of those examples, those men were the ones that actually created those feuds themselves. I'm talking about the way the media tries to create tension between female artists, for example the old Britney VS Christina rivalry that was created by the media, even though both ladies always spoke very highly of each other in public. Why is our society so desperate to see cat fights? It's so ridiculous.

[ColyTom]

So many people are missing the point, this thread is such a fail LOL

With all of those examples, those men were the ones that actually created those feuds themselves. I'm talking about the way the media tries to create tension between female artists, for example the old Britney VS Christina rivalry that was created by the media, even though both ladies always spoke very highly of each other in public. Why is our society so desperate to see cat fights? It's so ridiculous.

People like drama because it is exciting, the media has a habit of making something out of nothing so that ultimately they make more profit.

[Judas]

People like drama because it is exciting, the media has a habit of making something out of nothing so that ultimately they make more profit.

Yeah but why are female artists generally targeted over males?

[ColyTom]

Yeah but why are female artists generally targeted over males?
Do you hold feminist values?
I can't think of any examples off the top of my head apart from Britney and Christina which started over 10 years ago. There is often rivalry between boy bands in the media.

Sugababes have just popped into my head but that was largely rumours.

[FlyingJesus]

Only recent girl on girl music rivalry I can think of is Nicki Minaj vs Lil Kim and no-one even cared about that because Lil Kim's been doing nothing for years and Nicki is just a gimmick. Also that was started by the artists themselves not the media. You say that females are generally targetted over males but there's only one example that comes up apart from the MIA interview which was definitely not big news unless you're an avid MIA fan or one of those freaks who goes on a murder spree whenever the slightest word again Gaga is mentioned.

[Judas]

Do you hold feminist values?
I can't think of any examples off the top of my head apart from Britney and Christina which started over 10 years ago. There is often rivalry between boy bands in the media.

Sugababes have just popped into my head but that was largely rumours.

No? LMAO. Just something I've noticed?

If you read any music blogs or forums etc, people are always writing about and comparing women, who's "copying" who, and they are harsher in general on females. I don't get it.


Only recent girl on girl music rivalry I can think of is Nicki Minaj vs Lil Kim and no-one even cared about that because Lil Kim's been doing nothing for years and Nicki is just a gimmick. Also that was started by the artists themselves not the media. You say that females are generally targetted over males but there's only one example that comes up apart from the MIA interview which was definitely not big news unless you're an avid MIA fan or one of those freaks who goes on a murder spree whenever the slightest word again Gaga is mentioned.

You're still missing the point and will go out of your way to disagree with anything I say anyway so never mind :rolleyes:

[FlyingJesus]

I'm hardly missing the point by responding to it directly

[Red]

He isn't talking about rivalry created by the artists themselves though. You can see it on forums like popoverdose where fans stick to one female artist and creates rivalries with fans of another female artist. The media always seems to heighten it as well. Like mags always pitted cheryl and danni against each other and creating tension that probably wasn't there.

[Judas]

I'm hardly missing the point by responding to it directly

Except you're talking about something completely irrelevant to what the thread is about


He isn't talking about rivalry created by the artists themselves though. You can see it on forums like popoverdose where fans stick to one female artist and creates rivalries with fans of another female artist. The media always seems to heighten it as well. Like mags always pitted cheryl and danni against each other and creating tension that probably wasn't there.

thank youuu, someone gets it lol

is it really that hard to understand?

[ColyTom]

He isn't talking about rivalry created by the artists themselves though. You can see it on forums like popoverdose where fans stick to one female artist and creates rivalries with fans of another female artist. The media always seems to heighten it as well. Like mags always pitted cheryl and danni against each other and creating tension that probably wasn't there.
And they did the same with Simon/Louis and now Simon/Cheryl.

[FlyingJesus]

You say that females are generally targetted over males but there's only one example that comes up apart from the MIA interview which was definitely not big news unless you're an avid MIA fan or one of those freaks who goes on a murder spree whenever the slightest word again Gaga is mentioned.

Pretty sure that's not irrelevant to the discussion of media-influenced rivalries in pop music. In fact I'm fairly certain that it's entirely about that exact topic

[Judas]

Pretty sure that's not irrelevant to the discussion of media-influenced rivalries in pop music. In fact I'm fairly certain that it's entirely about that exact topic

Well done for realising the other half of the post was completely irrelevant, and that's also completely wrong so congrats. The 'only other example' you claim there is was not comparable to what I'm talking about in the slightest :rolleyes:

[FlyingJesus]

The one example was Britney vs Christina which you brought up. It really seems like you're just branding anyone with an opinion other than yours (ie: one that works with history and reasoning rather than baselessly following one view from an interview with a has-been) as being totally irrelevant to the topic when they're quite clearly very much related

[ColyTom]

So what recent examples do we actually have apart from the MIA thing that I had never heard about and the Bjork interview?
I always thought the media put emphasis on boyband rivalries. That definitely goes againt the viewpoint we are discussing.

[Judas]

The one example was Britney vs Christina which you brought up. It really seems like you're just branding anyone with an opinion other than yours (ie: one that works with history and reasoning rather than baselessly following one view from an interview with a has-been) as being totally irrelevant to the topic when they're quite clearly very much related

Bjork is a has been? LOL

And two artists publicly bashing each other isn't related to the idea of the media and the public creating competition between women in pop music at all really, is it? Can you stop obsessively trying to discredit anything I say on this forum? Your **** is getting really old now, thanks


So what recent examples do we actually have apart from the MIA thing that I had never heard about and the Bjork interview?
I always thought the media put emphasis on boyband rivalries. That definitely goes againt the viewpoint we are discussing.

I'm not talking about huge front page news... Mostly online, people saying things like Katy Perry copied Ke$ha, Gaga copied Madonna, Katy thinks Gaga is cheap, Beyonce and Rihanna hate each other... Why all these fake rivalries trying to be created when all the women generally respect and like each other?

And I can't think of any media emphasis on boybands off the top of my head?