counterproductive moderation.

[dirrty]

how is that pointless posting, the person legit added more relevant information :S yes, they could of edited the first post - but aslong as it's not a double post, it's fine...

srsly, seems like you're just jumping on the 'complain about everything' bandwagon which seems to be setting off recently.

[GirlNextDoor15]

not when other users do that too

[Red]

Jake isn't ignorant, just being completely honest. Your post on that thread WAS pointless. The person asked for advice to feel awake in the morning and you didn't give it, now your just going on a mad one :S

[dirrty]

i swear to god i'm one of the few people who srsly don't give a ****. if someone does something against the rules (if you think they have anyway), report and move on. if nothing changes, then ahwell get over it. pretty sure this section is for constructive feedback to help improve the forum, not crying over spilt milk. srsly, i swear some people take this forum far too seriously...

[beth]

my only issue i have at the moment is that book thread it insults my intelligence. i think GirlNextDoor15; you need to chillax a bit hun. Catchy; was being honest, not ignorant.

[Catchy]

*SHE
Who knows what your 'professional help' means. That at least proves that you're too immature. It's like saying 'i suggest you to gth if it affects you that much'.
Oopsie.. offensiveee.. oh no wait. the mods won't edit it cause you're a staff.. ahhh i see

Me being staff hasn't got anything to do with it. I assure you that I still receive messages and PM's from MOD's about various things? They aren't bias, they do their job and most of the time they do it right unless of course you disagree and feel they are bias? Maybe you could make a feedback thread about that if you feel that way.


*SHE
Who knows what your 'professional help' means.

I am not obliged to give 'professional help' also I don't claim to give professional help? I'm volunteering on a Habbo fan site. I am in no way a professional or have I claimed to be.

Your comment about me being immature, fair play if you think that we obviously have different opinions though. Oh and in my first post I was asking why you were so bothered? I can't comprehend how that would affect you so much for you to make a feedback thread? When the user has done absolutely nothing wrong? At the end of the day this is a posting competition, it's what we're kind of expecting anyways.

[GirlNextDoor15]

Jake isn't ignorant, just being completely honest. Your post on that thread WAS pointless. The person asked for advice to feel awake in the morning and you didn't give it, now your just going on a mad one :S

urgh why dont you get it? It's a DISCUSSION! not a question and answers ****! my post is pointless? what about stephen's? what about cocaine/flyingjesus' post? everything is pointless, huh?

[Showder]

God, guys why fighting over pointless posting. I know it was my fault cuz I clearly didn't read the rules I guess so let's just, move on before it gets out of hand.

[GirlNextDoor15]

God, guys why fighting over pointless posting. I know it was my fault cuz I clearly didn't read the rules I guess so let's just, move on before it gets out of hand.

we aren't fighting. we're discussing over some petty stuff i know. however, management needs to be clear about the pointless posting rule and i'm glad they're making a change.

[Catchy]

God, guys why fighting over pointless posting. I know it was my fault cuz I clearly didn't read the rules I guess so let's just, move on before it gets out of hand.

You didn't do anything wrong lol don't worry :)

[Mathew]

please don't pointless post @Mathew (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=31230);

right so considering mods have been replying to this thread etc i know yr online: DO YOU LIKE YR BOOKS WIV OR WIVOUT PICZ LOLOLOL is still in anime/books, so is this an acceptable example of a thread?
soz bethie. I was gonna reply but most of it has been said by yourself and Chippiewill;
Posting competitions create nothing but pointless threads and they're nothing more than a short remedy to a much wider problem. Then again, there's not much point complaining because nobody is offering an alternative solution anyway. I haven't posted in the majority of threads, simply because I don't care about how many pets people have... or what someone is listening to, for that matter! :rolleyes:


i dont think he got the memo about managers growing up and not pointless posting
I don't think you got my memo about childish, petty, sly and sarcastic comments which completely lower the tone and offer no gratification to anyone.

Let's remember it's only a fansite guys, no need to get irate! :)

[beth]

soz bethie. I was gonna reply but most of it has been said by yourself and Chippiewill;
Posting competitions create nothing but pointless threads and they're nothing more than a short remedy to a much wider problem. Then again, there's not much point complaining because nobody is offering an alternative solution anyway. I haven't posted in the majority of threads, simply because I don't care about how many pets people have... or what someone is listening to, for that matter! :rolleyes:


I don't think you got my memo about childish, petty, sly and sarcastic comments which completely lower the tone and offer no gratification to anyone.

Let's remember it's only a fansite guys, no need to get irate! :)

he was only joking matt about the pm hoteluser sent me about management missing the manners memo!

but no i agree, at first i thought this'd be an excellent affair but now, not so much.

[Mathew]

he was only joking matt about the pm hoteluser sent me about management missing the manners memo!

but no i agree, at first i thought this'd be an excellent affair but now, not so much.
oh bless him. now i feel like an extremely evil child.

[Red]

urgh why dont you get it? It's a DISCUSSION! not a question and answers ****! my post is pointless? what about stephen's? what about cocaine/flyingjesus' post? everything is pointless, huh?

Yea a discussion on how to feel awake in the morning, not a random post 'remember chairman mao' Stephen made a constructive post but then the orange juice comment was pointless and obviously edited. Really don't like your attitude and claim that the mods only seem to warn/infract people if they are non staff which is not the case. Also if anything, I think the mods are too lenient. How many temporary bans do people need before getting permed? :S

[Richie]

Some of the threads that can't really create discussion should be closed like stuff you can only really answer yes or no to. At the end of the day people moan to moan. Even if we didn't have the odd pointless post people would still find something to moan about. This is how I see it but perhaps the mash between my ears needs cleaning, pointless posts or not here we go: More threads = more posts = more users = more discussion = hxf win = jim and shrek becomes rich. Just deal with it. Don't worry about what other people post, if everyone who posted a thread like this put more thought into their posts and less thought into others the forum would be ******* amazing. Besides, If a user annoys you that much for you to create a thread complaining about it, why not just ignore them?


SHESH

[-:Undertaker:-]

I was just about to post about this, with all the threads being closed 'due to one word answers' - surely one word answers are better than none?

[dbgtz]

I don't see the problem with a joke post as long as it's not completely irrelevant. Stephens post had some relevance to what someone said therefore it wasn't pointless. The problem is that there's no recognition in what threads are intended for some serious discussion or criticism, graphics, debates, current affairs should always involve something directly contribution to the OP or expanding something which relates to the OP. Something less serious where it's just general interest like "What socks do you wear" should be allowed to be more free and have a joke like Stephens where it takes a comment and comments on it, even if the comment isn't serious. No one expects a debate or anything like that from these sorts of threads so I don't really see why it is treated like that. However if I am to post in graphics, debates etc. I would expect something which I could then build in, I'm sure the creator of a thread like "What socks do you wear" does not actually care about the type of socks I have and is just posting blindly. Infact, if Stephens post is considered pointless why are those sorts of threads not? They don't spark much, if any, conversation.

[The Don]

This thread has gotten way out of hand. If you think someone is pointlessly posting, report it. Obviously mods will be slightly biased when editing posts, as users who cause more trouble draw a lot more attention to themselves from the mods so obviously mods are going to pick up more on things known trouble makers e.g stephen do rather than say someone like mathew (just an example). I think everyone’s making a huge deal out of nothing, and tbh the mods have been a lot more lenient recently.

[Jordan]

I don't see the problem with a joke post as long as it's not completely irrelevant. Stephens post had some relevance to what someone said therefore it wasn't pointless. The problem is that there's no recognition in what threads are intended for some serious discussion or criticism, graphics, debates, current affairs should always involve something directly contribution to the OP or expanding something which relates to the OP. Something less serious where it's just general interest like "What socks do you wear" should be allowed to be more free and have a joke like Stephens where it takes a comment and comments on it, even if the comment isn't serious. No one expects a debate or anything like that from these sorts of threads so I don't really see why it is treated like that. However if I am to post in graphics, debates etc. I would expect something which I could then build in, I'm sure the creator of a thread like "What socks do you wear" does not actually care about the type of socks I have and is just posting blindly. Infact, if Stephens post is considered pointless why are those sorts of threads not? They don't spark much, if any, conversation.

This is where the problem is, and this is what is going to be sorted within the next day or so. It's clear there isn't a criteria to what is a pointless post, and it would be so much easier if there was one so both moderators and members are coming from the same point of view. Threads like "What socks do you wear" or "What did you recently eat" are being discussed as we speak and if all goes to plan something could happen which should be better for the forum and save hassle in the future when it comes to the forum rules and these 1-2 worded, pointless threads.

The thread Stephen posted in had a purpose and was generally looking for advice, I would say it was a serious thread and the thread starter wasn't creating that thread expecting a giggle and laugh to come from it.

[jesus]

it was best when i used to be a super mod and elkaa was forum manager

[dbgtz]

This is where the problem is, and this is what is going to be sorted within the next day or so. It's clear there isn't a criteria to what is a pointless post, and it would be so much easier if there was one so both moderators and members are coming from the same point of view. Threads like "What socks do you wear" or "What did you recently eat" are being discussed as we speak and if all goes to plan something could happen which should be better for the forum and save hassle in the future when it comes to the forum rules and these 1-2 worded, pointless threads.

The thread Stephen posted in had a purpose and was generally looking for advice, I would say it was a serious thread and the thread starter wasn't creating that thread expecting a giggle and laugh to come from it.

I'll have to apologise, I didn't actually read the original post and assuming it was just general posting, in that case I would be with you on this one.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I have an idea; you may all think its rubbish. Who better to judge staff than the members themselves?

Maybe it’s time that members (non staff) selected a staff member of the month or quarter. The Members Recognition Award, or a similar title, given for outstanding contribution or similar. This could be run monthly or quarterly. Bronze, silver and gold.

Who would select the recipients? Members of the Month perhaps?

This, after all Member of the Month is still a popularity contest anyway - just amongst staff. A little birdy told me a very long time ago that I was knocked back for example for being 'right wing'. Either way we know a great portion of people, staff or not staff, are going to pick based simply on their friendships/spheres of interest. So I think I would rather the vote be public as opposed to staff picked, although i'm not in a position to judge the process in its present form.

[The Don]

This, after all Member of the Month is still a popularity contest anyway - just amongst staff. A little birdy told me a very long time ago that I was knocked back for example for being 'right wing'. Either way we know a great portion of people, staff or not staff, are going to pick based simply on their friendships/spheres of interest. So I think I would rather the vote be public as opposed to staff picked, although i'm not in a position to judge the process in its present form.

If it was based on quality I would surely receive an award every month so I agree that it's probably bias

[jasey]

This, after all Member of the Month is still a popularity contest anyway - just amongst staff. A little birdy told me a very long time ago that I was knocked back for example for being 'right wing'. Either way we know a great portion of people, staff or not staff, are going to pick based simply on their friendships/spheres of interest. So I think I would rather the vote be public as opposed to staff picked, although i'm not in a position to judge the process in its present form.


If it was based on quality I would surely receive an award every month so I agree that it's probably bias

Of course it is 'biased'. It isn't an award for the person with the highest post count and there is no crazy formula that takes your post stats to determine who is the best member. The decision is made by staff who use their observational skills to determine and endorse a member of the month. Since it is based on qualitative and not quantitative results then there are obviously non-measurable criteria going in to the result. That is how it always has been and it was never a secret so I don't understand why you are talking about it like it is a surprise.

[Oleh]

This, after all Member of the Month is still a popularity contest anyway - just amongst staff. A little birdy told me a very long time ago that I was knocked back for example for being 'right wing'. Either way we know a great portion of people, staff or not staff, are going to pick based simply on their friendships/spheres of interest. So I think I would rather the vote be public as opposed to staff picked, although i'm not in a position to judge the process in its present form.

I have never voted for somebody I have a relationship with, I believe people have voted before and exclaimed they don't like the person but they are the best member in that area of that month.

[Catzsy]

This, after all Member of the Month is still a popularity contest anyway - just amongst staff. A little birdy told me a very long time ago that I was knocked back for example for being 'right wing'. Either way we know a great portion of people, staff or not staff, are going to pick based simply on their friendships/spheres of interest. So I think I would rather the vote be public as opposed to staff picked, although i'm not in a position to judge the process in its present form.

Totally untrue. All nominations have to be backed up with examples and those who get the most nominations win. Also nobody has ever been 'knocked back' for being right wing, left wing or any other wing but they have been knocked back for being unecessarily negative in their posts.

[Stephen]

lol backed up with examples. Kind of reminds me of when !-ben-! posted like twice in the games forum and got member of the month :L

*waits for the quality not quantity reply*

even he said he didn't know why he got it cos he never even posts in there

[GommeInc]

I find MOTM is pretty good. Those who have won in the past have made some decent posts and contributions. That said, I have won awards I didn't think I should of won and others have they did not know why they won. It could be one of those "quality is hard to come by" moments, and other moments where it is hard to judge.

[Chris]

lol backed up with examples. Kind of reminds me of when !-ben-! posted like twice in the games forum and got member of the month :L

*waits for the quality not quantity reply*

even he said he didn't know why he got it cos he never even posts in there

Sometimes we struggle to decide on who should win for the games section, and thats why there isn't a winner for games in the March motm.

[Zelda]

Sometimes we struggle to decide on who should win for the games section, and thats why there isn't a winner for games in the March motm.

Does rs section get ignored for the games section or something then :L cause there is plenty of good people who could win from that tbh who contribute a lot to the section if u can't pick from other bits ;p

[Alex3213]

Does rs section get ignored for the games section or something then :L cause there is plenty of good people who could win from that tbh who contribute a lot to the section if u can't pick from other bits ;p

I can't say that there are many decent posts in the Runescape forum really without generalizing too much tbh. Yes there are some good posts such as when I was stuck a few months ago, I got some very decent replies off people like Kyle and MJJ about firemaking however overall there isn't actually much being discussed (lately it's just been the Squeal of Fortune and the Jad thread). I certainly don't think the achievements forum suffices as half-decent posts, most of the time. :P

[Zelda]

I can't say that there are many decent posts in the Runescape forum really without generalizing too much tbh. Yes there are some good posts such as when I was stuck a few months ago, I got some very decent replies off people like Kyle and MJJ about firemaking however overall there isn't actually much being discussed (lately it's just been the Squeal of Fortune and the Jad thread). I certainly don't think the achievements forum suffices as half-decent posts, most of the time. :P


Ye suppose, all debatable though on what you consider a contribution to a section tbh

[Chris]

Does rs section get ignored for the games section or something then :L cause there is plenty of good people who could win from that tbh who contribute a lot to the section if u can't pick from other bits ;p

Nope :O If its not too late then we will have a second look but we really didn't think it was worth it this month.

[Mathew]

I'd rather give a month of VIP to someone in the RS section for posting their achievements than reward someone for posting what they're listening to every hour.. :rolleyes:.. or asking a load of pointless questions for that matter.

[Chris]

I'd rather give a month of VIP to someone in the RS section for posting their achievements than reward someone for posting what they're listening to every hour.. :rolleyes:.. or asking a load of pointless questions for that matter.

Member of the month has never been based off the 'what are you listening to' or 'what was the last thing you watched?' threads. :P

[Mathew]

Member of the month has never been based off the 'what are you listening to' or 'what was the last thing you watched?' threads. :P

All the more reason to move them into Spam then.

[Chris]

All the more reason to move them into Spam then.

Well if they were moved to spam then the point of the thread would be removed. :P I still want to see a forum where post count doesn't rise which would be specifically for threads like what are you listening to.

[dbgtz]

Or make spam have a post count. I never understood why it doesn't.

[Chris]

Or make spam have a post count. I never understood why it doesn't.

Because people would just spam it and abuse it :P

[HotelUser]

I don't know who brought up MOTM being unfair but I think it's circumstantial, it really depends on the moderators. I've seen moderators who've failed to be impartial, I've seen moderators completely neglect to take part in the voting process, I've seen (former) managers completely veto the voting results. I've also seen months where the entire moderation team has had lengthy and adequate discussions on who should be awarded MOTM awards and I've seen many awards be distributed on a valid basis. I'd say that so long as forum management make sure MOTM threads are posted with handsome time to spare before the month concludes, then makes sure all moderators participate, and so long as forum and upper management make every effort to prevent bias discussion and voting from occurring, that the current setup is working just fine.


Or make spam have a post count. I never understood why it doesn't.

Doing this would seriously devalue the quality of posts made on the forum. Sure, post counts would go up very fast, but then the content of posts made would be reduced down to the average post quality of Gaia Forums (if you're unaware of what this, it's a very popular but also very insignificantly intellectual internet teenage forum).

[beth]

I don't know who brought up MOTM being unfair but I think it's circumstantial, it really depends on the moderators. I've seen moderators who've failed to be impartial, I've seen moderators completely neglect to take part in the voting process, I've seen (former) managers completely veto the voting results. I've also seen months where the entire moderation team has had lengthy and adequate discussions on who should be awarded MOTM awards and I've seen many awards be distributed on a valid basis. I'd say that so long as forum management make sure MOTM threads are posted with handsome time to spare before the month concludes, then makes sure all moderators participate, and so long as forum and upper management make every effort to prevent bias discussion and voting from occurring, that the current setup is working just fine.



Doing this would seriously devalue the quality of posts made on the forum. Sure, post counts would go up very fast, but then the content of posts made would be reduced down to the average post quality of Gaia Forums (if you're unaware of what this, it's a very popular but also very insignificantly intellectual internet teenage forum).

moderators have refused to vote? why? because they dislike the people involved? surely moderators need to be impartial at all times.

also i use gaia :@ gaia forums are lovely.

[HotelUser]

moderators have refused to vote? why? because they dislike the people involved? surely moderators need to be impartial at all times.

Sometimes they just forget to vote or are being lazy, it happens to the best of moderators on occasion but so long as management is reminding the team to participate, and so long as the moderators are given enough time to vote then not voting usually isn't a huge concern.


also i use gaia :@ gaia forums are lovely.

What's this? I've found a fellow Gaian outside of the hive? I bet you 20k that you can't find which user is me ;)

[Stephen]

why does the forum go down when hoteluser comes back

get back in your coffin

Edited by Chris (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not make off topic posts!

[Kasabian]

you're suppose to be dead, we gave you a send off in hxhd and everything, now my signature is rendered useless...

Mods have been alright as of late.

[dbgtz]

I don't know who brought up MOTM being unfair but I think it's circumstantial, it really depends on the moderators. I've seen moderators who've failed to be impartial, I've seen moderators completely neglect to take part in the voting process, I've seen (former) managers completely veto the voting results. I've also seen months where the entire moderation team has had lengthy and adequate discussions on who should be awarded MOTM awards and I've seen many awards be distributed on a valid basis. I'd say that so long as forum management make sure MOTM threads are posted with handsome time to spare before the month concludes, then makes sure all moderators participate, and so long as forum and upper management make every effort to prevent bias discussion and voting from occurring, that the current setup is working just fine.



Doing this would seriously devalue the quality of posts made on the forum. Sure, post counts would go up very fast, but then the content of posts made would be reduced down to the average post quality of Gaia Forums (if you're unaware of what this, it's a very popular but also very insignificantly intellectual internet teenage forum).

So I'm confused, you don't want average posts yet you allow such crap replies in graphics?

[Stephen]

*REMOVED*

Edited by Chris (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not be rude!

[HotelUser]

So I'm confused, you don't want average posts yet you allow such crap replies in graphics?

I wouldn't advocate for post count to increase in certain sections of the forum (such a thread in the graphics section would be the PAPOY thread). Infact, post count increases in such threads is a discussion that's been had at length throughout the years.

[beth]

HotelUser; are you GaiaUser that would be a great username.

Edited by Chris (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not make off topic posts!

[David]

nothing against the moderator but i dont get this kind of edit
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?p=7508171#post7508171

he said 'wankin' and apparently that is avoiding the filter when it's not, it's the forums censorship that's the problem, if the word was filtered correctly it would be '****in'.

is the edit/warning needed, it should just be a removal and a pm to management to fix the filter?

[Samantha]

******* I agree with you there. The full word filters but it doesn't filter the start of it so it's not Ross' fault.

[beth]

i think you need more mods in all honesty.

[David]

*******

it filters it?

he didn't put a g on the end due to the way he speaks/types , but **** should be filtered regardless of stray letters on the end

wankadjahgjdfg


feel like i'll get edited myself knowing the moderators but i'm making my point

[Samantha]

he didn't put a g on the end due to the way he speaks/types , but **** should be filtered regardless of stray letters on the end

wankadjahgjdfg


feel like i'll get edited myself knowing the moderators but i'm making my point


Sorry I clicked go advance yet it posted it? unsure why as I was still in the process of posting :S.

[Jordan]

nothing against the moderator but i dont get this kind of edit
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?p=7508171#post7508171

he said 'wankin' and apparently that is avoiding the filter when it's not, it's the forums censorship that's the problem, if the word was filtered correctly it would be '****in'.

is the edit/warning needed, it should just be a removal and a pm to management to fix the filter?

I really do get where you are coming from but missing out a letter from a filtered word is avoiding the filter. Most people know what are swearwords so the edit is fine.

I do agree that there should be something done with the filter though so it filters words no matter where in the sentence it is but i don't think it's a big issue.

[Chippiewill]

Doesn't mean the word doesn't need removal, a moderator warning is just that, a warning. The person should know in future not to miss the 'g' off or face harsher repercussions.

[Chris]

nothing against the moderator but i dont get this kind of edit
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?p=7508171#post7508171

he said 'wankin' and apparently that is avoiding the filter when it's not, it's the forums censorship that's the problem, if the word was filtered correctly it would be '****in'.

is the edit/warning needed, it should just be a removal and a pm to management to fix the filter?

SackRace acknowledged that the word was avoiding the filter as he made use of spoiler tags and put "contains swearing", however we don't allow this which is why it was removed.

I agree the filter is a bit naff, but theres not a lot anyone can do about it.

[David]

I'm not saying the word should stay I just don't think it's his fault that it wasn't filtered.

[Chris]

I'm not saying the word should stay I just don't think it's his fault that it wasn't filtered.

If the word was filtered then he wouldn't have had any need to put the spoiler and notice would he? :P He clearly knew it was avoiding the filter otherwise he wouldn't have put them there.

[beth]

harsher repercussions..................................... ............................ he said wankin' not posted porn everywhere.

[David]

If the word was filtered then he wouldn't have had any need to put the spoiler and notice would he? :P He clearly knew it was avoiding the filter otherwise he wouldn't have put them there.

I still think it comes back to a flaw in the filter, **** shouldn't be wrapped in curly brackets.

[Chippiewill]

I'm not saying the word should stay I just don't think it's his fault that it wasn't filtered.
Maybe it wasn't but either way it's a good idea for the moderator to note down that they've removed it and to inform the user that the word violates the filter and of course to make a usernote in case the user intentionally makes the mistake again.

[FlyingJesus]

Problem with using wildcards and such in filters is that then if Bethany was talking about her next pantomime and wanted to show off that she was playing Widow Twanky that would get filtered, and plenty of other swear words are contained within words which makes it troublesome

[Inseriousity.]

Problem with using wildcards and such in filters is that then if Bethany was talking about her next pantomime and wanted to show off that she was playing Widow Twanky that would get filtered, and plenty of other swear words are contained within words which makes it troublesome

yeah it was always annoying playing Habbo and seeing bobba in the middle of a normal sentence lol. I wouldn't like to see that on here.