counterproductive moderation.

[beth]

heya,

i haven't written a feedback thread in a long time but i've been thinking of doing this all week and then receiving a warning about general forum conduct last night makes me really feel the need to post this.

i think moderation on the forum at the moment is in overkill mode, really + truly. it's hard enough as it is on here at the moment to get a conversation about ANYTHING going because of poor activity. so a suggestion is oh shut the staff spam, well every other manager and his dog are against that so you have to deal with it basically.

it feels like every other post that i see has been edited in some form or another. just complete and utter overkill.

also: i don't understand the avoiding the filter when the word use is not in the filter. that's not exactly avoiding the filter is it, that's the filter not picking up on my word.

[David]

lol yeah. last week i got edited just to change a prefix, when it was already correct.
& I had the filter one too.

[j0rd]

In my mind it just seems that all moderators are going all out just to reach their minimums (if this is the case in moderation), I received possibly the stupidest usernote i've personally seen on any forums over my time a few weeks ago, and it just simply seems like they are giving warnings for anything they possibly can.

[FlyingJesus]

My favourite is getting told that answering the question that a thread poses is a pointless post and doesn't contribute to discussion despite only 1 person in the entire thread having said anything other than a simple direct answer.

The filter thing is a difficult one, personally I'd expect that if I wrote dickwit it would filter it because I'm just used to the prefix there being on the filter list, however you get all sorts of problems if you have ****** on the filter to try stopping it in every word, like talking about Bendicks chocolates would make it appear that you're being rude so not sure what the fix is for that.

As for staff spam closing, yes. It's not needed, it only furthers segregation of staff and members (inherently CAUSING the problem of them "not fitting in" elsewhere or whatever the lame excuse for needing it is), and of course means less activity outside of the staff area. Hx staff, especially those in the community departments, ought to be an active member of the forums so that they are aware and a part of the community they're supposed to be representing. It shouldn't have to be a case of managers having to actually note down how active their staff are in terms of posting, they should be wanting to be active already. If the argument "NORMAL SPAM IS SO HOSTILE!!!!!" comes up can you please ban whoever says it because it's simply not true and hasn't been for years. It's certainly no more hostile than the suggestion that staff are so above us that they require their own chat space.

[Kasabian]

But they need to get their *+*MoDlOgS*+*(I'm assuming they get staff reports, unlike some department.)

I do agree it is rather overkill, especially how dead the forum is just now.

[scott]

heya,

i haven't written a feedback thread in a long time but i've been thinking of doing this all week and then receiving a warning about general forum conduct last night makes me really feel the need to post this.

i think moderation on the forum at the moment is in overkill mode, really + truly. it's hard enough as it is on here at the moment to get a conversation about ANYTHING going because of poor activity. so a suggestion is oh shut the staff spam, well every other manager and his dog are against that so you have to deal with it basically.

it feels like every other post that i see has been edited in some form or another. just complete and utter overkill.

also: i don't understand the avoiding the filter when the word use is not in the filter. that's not exactly avoiding the filter is it, that's the filter not picking up on my word.

I cant see any trace of you being contacted recently so can't comment on that, if you want to FW'd me the PMs then we can discuss that via PM.

Generally the forum rules are a bit more relaxed than they used to be other than the pointless posting one. I do sometimes feel that the rule does stop conversation within threads, but I don't feel like we could remove the rule as it would just turn all the threads discussions into something else. However I will talk to xxMATTGxx and brandon and see if we can come up with anything!


lol yeah. last week i got edited just to change a prefix, when it was already correct.
& I had the filter one too.
that was a mistake by a trialist, which was sorted the same day. I'm pretty sure you got an apology about it too.


But they need to get their *+*MoDlOgS*+*(I'm assuming they get staff reports, unlike some department.)

I do agree it is rather overkill, especially how dead the forum is just now.

It's not all about moderator logs anymore, yes it's noted in their reports but it's certainly not as much as a big thing as it used to be.

[Chris]

lol yeah. last week i got edited just to change a prefix, when it was already correct.
& I had the filter one too.

You gave it the "Help" prefix which was the wrong one, so the moderator changed it to the correct one which was "How to".


But they need to get their *+*MoDlOgS*+*(I'm assuming they get staff reports, unlike some department.)

I do agree it is rather overkill, especially how dead the forum is just now.

If it was a case of getting logs then I would hog every reported post that came in.

[Kasabian]

It's not all about moderator logs anymore, yes it's noted in their reports but it's certainly not as much as a big thing as it used to be.


If it was a case of getting logs then I would hog every reported post that came in.

My apologies, I didn't realize the moderation reports had changed - hence why my previous post was incorrect. :)

[GoldenMerc]

Think its a tad better now, but in the past year or so it has been all about the logs.

[Jordan]

Think its a tad better now, but in the past year or so it has been all about the logs.

Logs? There isn't a set amount that we have to do per week so I don't think it is to do with this, nor do I actually see a real problem with the department. I do agree with the filter rule though I get confused sometimes.

[GoldenMerc]

moderator logs 8-)
Yeh but im fairly sure if you did 0 logs per week Scott wouldn't be too happy with you correct?

[Lee]

moderator logs 8-)
Yeh but im fairly sure if you did 0 logs per week Scott wouldn't be too happy with you correct?

What about if there was no rule breaking posts though?

Edit; When I say none I mean in the moderators section, not forum overall :)

[GoldenMerc]

What about if there was no rule breaking posts though?

Then make a arguement, i don't know im not the moderator :P
There must be some way for Scott to know your working, some sort of reports obviously

[Jordan]

moderator logs 8-)
Yeh but im fairly sure if you did 0 logs per week Scott wouldn't be too happy with you correct?

Ofcourse it is picked up on weekly if we're too low or not but no one in the department is furiously searching constantly to try and get the most logs. All edits are absolutely fine, just because there are many in one thread doesn't mean we are doing it to try and get the most logs, it is because it needs to be edited.

[Zuth]

lol yeah. last week i got edited just to change a prefix, when it was already correct.
& I had the filter one too.

As Chris said, it had the prefix 'Help' when it was quite clearly a 'How To' even brandon agreed with me when he finally understood :P

[beth]

As Chris said, it had the prefix 'Help' when it was quite clearly a 'How To' even brandon agreed with me when he finally understood :P

does it really matter that much though?!

scott i guess you aren't seeing the pm's cause they come from myke rather than the mod team, i'll speak to you about it. i think my greatest gripe is the pointless posting which the moderators seem to take as ANY post that doesn't refer to the original point in hand, even posts replying to the other posters in the thread about something they have maybe brought up gets taken as pointless. i would agree that it was pointless if it was like someone just posting "lol" half way through a thread, but it's very rarely that.

loledit: just tagged you as "sct" hahahah.

[Zuth]

does it really matter that much though?!

scott i guess you aren't seeing the pm's cause they come from myke rather than the mod team, i'll speak to you about it. i think my greatest gripe is the pointless posting which the moderators seem to take as ANY post that doesn't refer to the original point in hand, even posts replying to the other posters in the thread about something they have maybe brought up gets taken as pointless. i would agree that it was pointless if it was like someone just posting "lol" half way through a thread, but it's very rarely that.

loledit: just tagged you as "sct" hahahah.

Does it matter so much that he had to post it in the first place?

[scott]

does it really matter that much though?!

@scott (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=52752) i guess you aren't seeing the pm's cause they come from myke rather than the mod team, i'll speak to you about it. i think my greatest gripe is the pointless posting which the moderators seem to take as ANY post that doesn't refer to the original point in hand, even posts replying to the other posters in the thread about something they have maybe brought up gets taken as pointless. i would agree that it was pointless if it was like someone just posting "lol" half way through a thread, but it's very rarely that.

loledit: just tagged you as "sct" hahahah.

Well if that's the case then they are moderating incorrectly, I haven't noticed it myself though. I will make a thread for the moerators to remind them of the rule and how it should be moderated.

A7. Do not post pointlessly ~ ~ Do not post off-topic ~ An off-topic post has no relevance to the topic or any previous post that is relevant, or does little to positively contribute to the discussion.

[beth]

Does it matter so much that he had to post it in the first place?

what the guide? i think every thread matters when the forum is lacking posts.
scott i think sometimes they stick so rigidly to the rules it's very hard to move from it even with the rules being explained clearly. a little initiative is sometimes required, i believe. if someone replies to somebodys post that may NOT be with the original topic but is replying to the 2nd posters point that is still positively contributing to discussion? that's how i see it anyway. i may be wrong but i would rather have the following:

e.g:

poster1: i really like fanta but i think coke is so much nicer. what's yr opinion of fanta?

poster2: you like coke more? even with the all the extra bad stuff?

poster3: "quotes poster2" lol but poster2 you said you loved coke the otherday why the sudden change.

RATHER THAN.

poster1: i really like fanta but i think coke is so much nicer. what's yr opinion of fanta?

poster2: you like coke more? even with the all the extra bad stuff?

poster3: "quotes poster2" EDITED PLS DNT POST POINTLESSLY.

[Chris]

does it really matter that much though?!

scott i guess you aren't seeing the pm's cause they come from myke rather than the mod team, i'll speak to you about it. i think my greatest gripe is the pointless posting which the moderators seem to take as ANY post that doesn't refer to the original point in hand, even posts replying to the other posters in the thread about something they have maybe brought up gets taken as pointless. i would agree that it was pointless if it was like someone just posting "lol" half way through a thread, but it's very rarely that.

loledit: just tagged you as "sct" hahahah.

Can you provide some evidence of this if possible? :)


what the guide? i think every thread matters when the forum is lacking posts.

I think he was referring to Dave posting this. http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=740671&p=7458526#post7458526

[beth]

Can you provide some evidence of this if possible? :)



I think he was referring to Dave posting this. http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=740671&p=7458526#post7458526

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=739087&p=7442920#post7442920

this is one i found extremely interesting, i have been edited for replying to a point flyingjesus made at my post and yet his post hasn't been edited yet his post is just a direct negative response to mine AS mine is to his?

in fairness, that post is probably borderline and could've got away or could be edited. but i just find it strange that in several occasions i have been edited yet flyingjesus hasn't. the forum filter avoidance where i said "dickwit" he said first, but managed not to get warned and i did.

are the rules different for him?

[Kyle]

I've received a couple of notes on pointless posting recently where my posts have been on topic. chris is just a power abuser. taken catzsys place

[Chris]

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=739087&p=7442920#post7442920

this is one i found extremely interesting, i have been edited for replying to a point flyingjesus made at my post and yet his post hasn't been edited yet his post is just a direct negative response to mine AS mine is to his?

in fairness, that post is probably borderline and could've got away or could be edited. but i just find it strange that in several occasions i have been edited yet flyingjesus hasn't. the forum filter avoidance where i said "dickwit" he said first, but managed not to get warned and i did.

are the rules different for him?

I fail to see what that post has to do with anything in the thread, or am I misunderstanding it? :P

Where did fj say that? We do miss things sometimes so it would be helpful if you used the report function when you see rule breaking posts.

[beth]

I fail to see what that post has to do with anything in the thread, or am I misunderstanding it? :P

Where did fj say that? We do miss things sometimes so it would be helpful if you used the report function when you see rule breaking posts.

well if that's the point, what does flyingjesus' point about me having bad taste having anything to do with the thread?

and i don't really like to report posts if i'm honest because if i see anymore edited posts i might scream.

[Chris]

well if that's the point, what does flyingjesus' point about me having bad taste having anything to do with the thread?

and i don't really like to report posts if i'm honest because if i see anymore edited posts i might scream.

His post is on topic :S

If you don't want to report posts then we can't deal with things that may have been missed. You are talking like we are going on a modding spree for the hell of it, when in actual fact moderation is a whole lot calmer than it ever has been.

[Mathew]

I think "pointless posting" on Habbox is extremely rare on the face of things, but it's an extremely subjective rule that's overly-enforced. The whole point of a forum is to discuss and elaborate on other people's posts - if that means slightly straying from the topic: so be it. We want people to enjoy posting and we want an increase in posting; it's a win-win situation. Obviously if someone posts "lol" half-way through a thread, or starts talking about secularisation in a thread about zoos, then it's pointless.

[beth]

His post is on topic :S

If you don't want to report posts then we can't deal with things that may have been missed. You are talking like we are going on a modding spree for the hell of it, when in actual fact moderation is a whole lot calmer than it ever has been.

okay so if i wanted to just walk into this thread now and post saying hi chris yr a bad mod then that's on topic but then if someone replied to me with "lol what are you talking about" they're wrong?
Mathew is completely correct.

[Inseriousity.]

I think threads should be allowed to develop. I remember being comps manager and a feedback thread completely unrelated to competitions moved onto competitions through a natural discussion where someone said something that triggered a conversation about something else and as a result, changes were made to the department. Scott's posted the rule and that seems to be covered so it's not really an issue with the rules but the moderators enforcing it that should be dealt with.

[Chris]

Scott's posted the rule and that seems to be covered so it's not really an issue with the rules but the moderators enforcing it that should be dealt with.

Moderation hasn't just changed over the course of a few months, its been done like this since I started so I really have no idea what this sudden problem is all about. If there is a problem with moderation though, then it should have been noticed by management a long time ago and dealt with sooner.

[Vause]

I only edit posts that need editing, and at the end of the day I'm only doing what I'm told and sticking to the forum rules. But thanks for the feedback. No point in everyone getting all uptight about it :)

[FlyingJesus]

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=739087&p=7442920#post7442920

this is one i found extremely interesting, i have been edited for replying to a point flyingjesus made at my post and yet his post hasn't been edited yet his post is just a direct negative response to mine AS mine is to his?

in fairness, that post is probably borderline and could've got away or could be edited. but i just find it strange that in several occasions i have been edited yet flyingjesus hasn't. the forum filter avoidance where i said "dickwit" he said first, but managed not to get warned and i did.

are the rules different for him?

What are you on about lol my post was a direct response to yours in keeping with the rules ("or any previous post that is relevant") and still concerning the topic at hand. Yours was just an insult with nothing to do with anything.

I probably should have got PMd for dickwit but that again goes back to basic filter problems - I genuinely thought that would have been filtered anyway and hence was not attempting to avoid the filter, but because using wildcards in filters is problematic and best avoided, the word wasn't filtered in the first place which leads to it appearing that I was trying to subvert it. I guess the obvious and simplest response would be "don't type swear words in the first place" but yeah

[beth]

What are you on about lol my post was a direct response to yours in keeping with the rules ("or any previous post that is relevant") and still concerning the topic at hand. Yours was just an insult with nothing to do with anything.

I probably should have got PMd for dickwit but that again goes back to basic filter problems - I genuinely thought that would have been filtered anyway and hence was not attempting to avoid the filter, but because using wildcards in filters is problematic and best avoided, the word wasn't filtered in the first place which leads to it appearing that I was trying to subvert it. I guess the obvious and simplest response would be "don't type swear words in the first place" but yeah

i am merely interested in what you thinking i have **** taste in men has any relevance to the thread and positively contributes to conversation?

[Martin]

I think threads should be allowed to develop. I remember being comps manager and a feedback thread completely unrelated to competitions moved onto competitions through a natural discussion where someone said something that triggered a conversation about something else and as a result, changes were made to the department. Scott's posted the rule and that seems to be covered so it's not really an issue with the rules but the moderators enforcing it that should be dealt with.


Moderation hasn't just changed over the course of a few months, its been done like this since I started so I really have no idea what this sudden problem is all about. If there is a problem with moderation though, then it should have been noticed by management a long time ago and dealt with sooner.

At the end of the day if a moderator has made an incorrect decision (which can and does happen since some things can be VERY borderline and moderators have to make some kind of decision) then they should be told about it by Forum management individually and perhaps as a group so that the same mistake isn't made again and this was always the case really. A couple of the posts that are coming into issue in this thread are not those dealt with by moderators but dealt with by a member of general management, so I think its a bit unfair to just pin it on the mods, who in the majority of cases are just going by what impression they have of the rules. If thats incorrect then it needs to be brought up in the mod forums.

I agree with certain people that it is a lot less strict now than it has been previously, and I would say the number of edits has decreased. Pointless posting has always been a rule which throws up a lot of issues since its the one that requires the most discretion from moderators on whether something is related to the topic. The rule itself though is pretty clear. If anyone does have a problem with a post they feel has been edited incorrectly though then I'm sure it wouldn't take much for the Forum manager to look into it and reverse it- then make sure that moderator/AGM is aware so that it doesnt happen in future.

Of course threads should be able to develop, but as soon as someone posts something which is not on topic to either the Original post, or a post within the thread then thats where the rules are being broken, and it becomes the rule thats the problem and not the moderators who are using them as a basis on whether something needs to be edited.

[FlyingJesus]

i am merely interested in what you thinking i have **** taste in men has any relevance to the thread and positively contributes to conversation?

Could whip up an answer for this but since my post was actually concerning your music taste it would be kinda pointless. The idea was that I was actually making conversation rather than blindly posting an answer to the thread without any interaction with anyone as most do, and since it was still very much on the topic of what you like in a relationship (being, as I said before, a direct response to part of your answer) it certainly can't be counted as a pointless post. There was nothing off-topic about it

[Deeb]

To be fair I'm new and sometimes I am scared to post in a topic due to the edits I have seen in the same thread.

I might stick to the spam section so I don't go off topic accidently, but I don't like having to stick to one topic, like if someone asks a question like "how much do you pee a day" and then someone says "oh I go about 3/4 times" then someone replies to that with "awmg thats not much at all" ive seen situations like that were the 3rd person would be warned as it wasn't answering the OP's question directly.

But I can't speculate on how moderation or management is to blame as I haven't been here long.

[Samantha]

I remember ages ago I made a thread in HL&R and someone said something along the lines at:


When I get angry I throw a load of Plastic Pods out of my window

They got pointless posted for it even though it was answering the question directly. I thought that was stupid. I think it has improved slightly even though the past 2 times I have been modded weren't correct but Brandon does listen and fought for my side of the argument too and came to an agreement. The forum moderator learnt from his mistake and I saw that in the future he had changed his actions and modded correctly.

Anyway, I only see a few posts that are pointless, if I'm reading a thread I will pick up a post that I think is pointless, in some cases people may not be unclear that you have to link to the OP or something?

Also, with filter avoidance why isn't bollocks or boner filter? When **********s is?

[JerseySafety]

I haven't had any problems with this except 6 months or so ago when I got like 2 usernotes for pointless posting and they were the most on-topic posts in the thread.

Moderation on the forums has become a lot better over the past year, but there are still some slight improvements to be made - but really you can't impress everyone.

[Grig]

heya,

i haven't written a feedback thread in a long time but i've been thinking of doing this all week and then receiving a warning about general forum conduct last night makes me really feel the need to post this.

i think moderation on the forum at the moment is in overkill mode, really + truly. it's hard enough as it is on here at the moment to get a conversation about ANYTHING going because of poor activity. so a suggestion is oh shut the staff spam, well every other manager and his dog are against that so you have to deal with it basically.

it feels like every other post that i see has been edited in some form or another. just complete and utter overkill.

also: i don't understand the avoiding the filter when the word use is not in the filter. that's not exactly avoiding the filter is it, that's the filter not picking up on my word.

Tbh, I see where you're coming from with staff spam. However, it should be up to discretion of general departments, as I know smaller departments such as news have it as a good tool to bond. Also, I doubt shutting staff spam will severely increase forum activity. For radio, it would have worked as the spam serves less purpose than say for smaller depts. such as news etc. I would not have been against testing something like this out though.

I say remove staff spam and lets see if it integrates both staff and members together more.

[GommeInc]

I do wonder what new members think of red writing and mod warnings... Deeb has pointed out quite an interesting factor that could be putting of newly registered members. Pointless posting should be coming out with any old twoddle that is completely... pointless. I've seen a few instances where humour and related posts that are mildly bizarre be considered pointless when pointless generally means "lacks a point/doesn't have a point". If a post relates even slightly to the topic at hand, then it isn't pointless or off-topic.

Also, do the staff forums exist? You only need an announcement board and a "staff room"esque forum to discuss strictly private topics. Anything with forum-wide discussions really should be kept to the public forums - maybe then we could see staff actually engaging in threads rather than hiding away in their ivory towers :P

[FlyingJesus]

Yes, staff spam certainly exists and is insisted on by the majority of staff AND for some reason management under the pretence of "staff bonding", which actually equates to "non-staff exclusion". Obviously the lay people, newcomers, even community figureheads with years of forum experience, are not worthy of the presence of such deific creatures as Trialist DJs and Event Organisers, for we are just too mean and dirty to speak to those on high

[GommeInc]

Yes, staff spam certainly exists and is insisted on by the majority of staff AND for some reason management under the pretence of "staff bonding", which actually equates to "non-staff exclusion". Obviously the lay people, newcomers, even community figureheads with years of forum experience, are not worthy of the presence of such deific creatures as Trialist DJs and Event Organisers, for we are just too mean and dirty to speak to those on high
We are not worthy of their high and mighty stature! I shall jump on over to the tower and begin to bow in admiration!

Staff bonding can be carried on with community bonding. It's a community forum, something I and many others keep nagging about but if they can't do that it's no wonder continuous issues arise :/

[FlyingJesus]

The reason I was (repeatedly) given for staff believing that spam is still run by a clique of aggressive malcontents á la 2007 is that Stephen is sometimes rude. Genuine.

[GommeInc]

The reason I was (repeatedly) given for staff believing that spam is still run by a clique of aggressive malcontents á la 2007 is that Stephen is sometimes rude. Genuine.
I didn't know Stephen was the Spam forum, but fair play :P From what I've seen he's easily ignorable or being playful. I'd rather that than pure boredom and uniformism coming from the management side of things :P

Besides, the actual spam forum can't be as bad as the staff spam - everything is accountable for in that, Christ knows what they say in the staff one :P

[The Don]

I didn't know Stephen was the Spam forum, but fair play :P From what I've seen he's easily ignorable or being playful. I'd rather that than pure boredom and uniformism coming from the management side of things :P

Besides, the actual spam forum can't be as bad as the staff spam - everything is accountable for in that, Christ knows what they say in the staff one :P

Irrelevant, but did you know that in the staff sections (Habboxlive forum) they are allowed to share torrents to songs, yet normal members aren't allowed.


The reason I was (repeatedly) given for staff believing that spam is still run by a clique of aggressive malcontents á la 2007 is that Stephen is sometimes rude. Genuine.

The recent events with a certain cherry have probably helped reinforce those beliefs even though everything said was more or less justified.

[jasey]

It actually makes me feel a bit belittled that there is a 'Staff Spam' and that is where they choose to post instead of the Spam where we all post. Don't get me wrong - some of my dearest friends on HxF are staff - but I feel like I am being put on a level below when they all talk in there and rarely post where everyone can see. Maybe it is just a bit of a complex that I have but I would really love to see my friends on staff posting on the boards I or others make there. Staff get plenty of 'bonding' without a special Staff Spam forum for them. They are constantly working together and I am more than certain that the majority of staff have their good friends on places where bonding is even easier like instant messaging platforms and social networking sites.

At the very least, I wish they would trial getting rid of Staff Spam for a while and have everyone post on main Spam. I know I am not the best and oldest poster on the forum and it was a bit intimidating for me to start interacting with the people who are regulars in Spam because they seemed so established but for the most part my fears were unfounded. The majority of Spam (myself included now) are kind people. It is the first and last forum I check and post on daily and I think having the staff there would be really nice. I won't deny that there are rude people but, for goodness sake, don't let that have staff hide themselves from the rest of us who really would just love to talk!

[FlyingJesus]

Drama with Cerys has nothing to do with spam, those with a genuine reason to dislike her do so because of problems in the health section. That's not the same as people banding together to exclude a new member.

As for staff torrents, I don't know if such threads do exists but I'm fairly sure that the HxL guidelines used to insist on only using legally paid for tracks, can someone in management confirm whether or not this is still the case? I don't really know how HxL gets around the DMCA laws on royalties and the suchlike but even if those don't apply to us I'm pretty sure sharing and distributing copyrighted content is illegal

[xxMATTGxx]

I do wonder what new members think of red writing and mod warnings... Deeb has pointed out quite an interesting factor that could be putting of newly registered members. Pointless posting should be coming out with any old twoddle that is completely... pointless. I've seen a few instances where humour and related posts that are mildly bizarre be considered pointless when pointless generally means "lacks a point/doesn't have a point". If a post relates even slightly to the topic at hand, then it isn't pointless or off-topic.

Also, do the staff forums exist? You only need an announcement board and a "staff room"esque forum to discuss strictly private topics. Anything with forum-wide discussions really should be kept to the public forums - maybe then we could see staff actually engaging in threads rather than hiding away in their ivory towers :P

Staff forums exist and it's important for these forums to exist as they contain information for the staff such as user guides, important announcements in regards of that department and other useful stuff which is specifically for that department. If staff don't work in that specific department then there is no reason for the other staff to be told about it, hence why there is separate staff forums. In terms of engaging into the actual public forums, that would be more related to the staff spam threads than the actual staff forums in general.


I didn't know Stephen was the Spam forum, but fair play :P From what I've seen he's easily ignorable or being playful. I'd rather that than pure boredom and uniformism coming from the management side of things :P

Besides, the actual spam forum can't be as bad as the staff spam - everything is accountable for in that, Christ knows what they say in the staff one :P

They wanted him to be banned before we got rid of spam threads! Joke, but I'm I really joking...


Irrelevant, but did you know that in the staff sections (Habboxlive forum) they are allowed to share torrents to songs, yet normal members aren't allowed.



The recent events with a certain cherry have probably helped reinforce those beliefs even though everything said was more or less justified.

HabboxLive aren't allowed to share torrents in the staff section, that has been cracked down on heavily over the past couple of days. Moderation in the staff forums will also be improved to make it equal between normal members and staff members when it comes to the forum rules which I stated to all of them last weekend.


It actually makes me feel a bit belittled that there is a 'Staff Spam' and that is where they choose to post instead of the Spam where we all post. Don't get me wrong - some of my dearest friends on HxF are staff - but I feel like I am being put on a level below when they all talk in there and rarely post where everyone can see. Maybe it is just a bit of a complex that I have but I would really love to see my friends on staff posting on the boards I or others make there. Staff get plenty of 'bonding' without a special Staff Spam forum for them. They are constantly working together and I am more than certain that the majority of staff have their good friends on places where bonding is even easier like instant messaging platforms and social networking sites.

At the very least, I wish they would trial getting rid of Staff Spam for a while and have everyone post on main Spam. I know I am not the best and oldest poster on the forum and it was a bit intimidating for me to start interacting with the people who are regulars in Spam because they seemed so established but for the most part my fears were unfounded. The majority of Spam (myself included now) are kind people. It is the first and last forum I check and post on daily and I think having the staff there would be really nice. I won't deny that there are rude people but, for goodness sake, don't let that have staff hide themselves from the rest of us who really would just love to talk!

If I remember correctly, there was like 1-3 people of management who actually agreed into a trial and I know for that sure one of them was me and the other Bethie. Everyone else feels like these threads don't cause any issues in terms of lack of posts in the main forums and even if they were removed then they wouldn't post in the public forums more.

Here's some of the reasons that were mainly said by staff members in regards why they post in staff spam threads:

They are fun and it's easier to chat with the rest of the department
Good way of making friends and having a laugh
Find it easier to talk to people via the thread instead of making a new thread about it
Bonding



One of the answers that I received during a survey was that there was nothing interesting to post in. That type of answer always baffles me because if there isn't anything you find interesting, why not make the thread yourself?

[Grig]

Spam threads are a pretty recent concept though. Some departments started the trend in 2008. Others followed in 2009/2010. Before that, I don't think the department was disjointed. In reality, I thought radio was more together without the thread. However, it did create lots of individual spam threads within staff forums. However, for news is bonded people more. So it kind of had a different effect on different departments.

I am not tending strongly in one direction or the other as there are pros and cons with having staff spam there, but you could always trial it. I'm not sure that much more people will start using regular spam though.

[xxMATTGxx]

Yeah some departments hardly use the spam thread.
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[Samantha]

It actually makes me feel a bit belittled that there is a 'Staff Spam' and that is where they choose to post instead of the Spam where we all post. Don't get me wrong - some of my dearest friends on HxF are staff - but I feel like I am being put on a level below when they all talk in there and rarely post where everyone can see. Maybe it is just a bit of a complex that I have but I would really love to see my friends on staff posting on the boards I or others make there. Staff get plenty of 'bonding' without a special Staff Spam forum for them. They are constantly working together and I am more than certain that the majority of staff have their good friends on places where bonding is even easier like instant messaging platforms and social networking sites.

At the very least, I wish they would trial getting rid of Staff Spam for a while and have everyone post on main Spam. I know I am not the best and oldest poster on the forum and it was a bit intimidating for me to start interacting with the people who are regulars in Spam because they seemed so established but for the most part my fears were unfounded. The majority of Spam (myself included now) are kind people. It is the first and last forum I check and post on daily and I think having the staff there would be really nice. I won't deny that there are rude people but, for goodness sake, don't let that have staff hide themselves from the rest of us who really would just love to talk!

No we don't all post in the spam, if we did there would be thousands of threads per day.
Again I do not agree most of the staff in the departments I am in post on the forum, there are only a few that don't which do tend to be trialists if they have applied from habbox.com itself so again I feel it isn't that they don't post where we all can see. They do, they just post in other forums and if you are too into spam then you would not notice. :).
Sorry I am not forcing my staff to post in spam, you can't make them, just like you can't make them post in the staff spam forums, it doesn't mean that they are inactive, they post in the normal forums. They don't need to do anything more than do the role they volunteer to do.
I thought that too, but when sly threads or comments are made about me when I don't even post there it get's annoying so why the hell should I be made to post there?
It would be nice, not disputing that, but then again do you like everyone on the forum? You get a few staff posting in spam such as the forum moderators and others, I know it's not much but at least you get a few people. You can't make every single staff spam there, if you want your friends to join in maybe mention them so you can create a conversation with them :D.
There are rude people, there are rude people all over the forum, doesn't mean we should stop posting though and although I don't post in spam, I post in many threads all over the forum but at least most of the staff in the departments I'm in do post, again I say you can't really ask for more. Most staff do not hide though, just because they don't post in spam doesn't mean they are hiding away. Are you familiar with some profiles, look at the staff list, look at their profiles and see how many posts they have, I think you might be surprised.

Not a dig I just didn't agree with all your post, but even if staff spam was closed I wouldn't post in the spam forum, in a rare occasion I will but it doesn't mean I am hiding away if I don't.

[FlyingJesus]

They wanted him to be banned before we got rid of spam threads! Joke, but I'm I really joking...

Yeah this isn't a joke it's something I directly saw you and many others say in HxHD a couple of weeks back :P


If I remember correctly, there was like 1-3 people of management who actually agreed into a trial and I know for that sure one of them was me and the other Bethie. Everyone else feels like these threads don't cause any issues in terms of lack of posts in the main forums and even if they were removed then they wouldn't post in the public forums more.

Then quite frankly, those people are wrong. It's not a matter of opinion, not even slightly. It's a matter of staff preferring to post in places where non-staff can't reply, "keeping to their own" which is the aggressive clique mentality that they pretend to not want to be a part of. Majority view does not constitute the best way of doing things if the premises that such a view is based on are wrong.


Here's some of the reasons that were mainly said by staff members in regards why they post in staff spam threads:

They are fun and it's easier to chat with the rest of the department
Good way of making friends and having a laugh
Find it easier to talk to people via the thread instead of making a new thread about it
Bonding



One of the answers that I received during a survey was that there was nothing interesting to post in. That type of answer always baffles me because if there isn't anything you find interesting, why not make the thread yourself?


The rest of the department can join them in normal threads, since we don't segregate and exclude like the staff spam forum does.
Well that quite openly suggests that they don't want to befriend us filthy non-staff members. This is totally stupid and it's very simple logic to see that if all people spam in the same area there are more people around to make friends and have a laugh with.
It's hardly as though the Spam section is completely alien to the idea of large conversational threads. (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=167794)
Why can't bonding take place alongside the community?


If these arguments actually hold for some reason then it follows that Smiddy's Shack ought to be returned. I know that you personally don't agree with them so I'm not attacking you here, just replying to the ridiculous points raised.


Again I do not agree most of the staff in the departments I am in post on the forum, there are only a few that don't which do tend to be trialists if they have applied from habbox.com itself so again I feel it isn't that they don't post where we all can see. They do, they just post in other forums and if you are too into spam then you would not notice. :).

Sorry I am not forcing my staff to post in spam, you can't make them, just like you can't make them post in the staff spam forums, it doesn't mean that they are inactive, they post in the normal forums. They don't need to do anything more than do the role they volunteer to do.

If they're posting in staff spam and not regular spam then they are advocating segragation, regardless of whether they post in other sections or not. Clearly if this is going on they do want to spam, they're just being totally selfish in wanting to do so in a hidden area.


I thought that too, but when sly threads or comments are made about me when I don't even post there it get's annoying so why the hell should I be made to post there?

That's a moderation issue, such things aren't actually allowed even in that TERRIFYING WILDERNESS so this is a completely invalid point.


It would be nice, not disputing that, but then again do you like everyone on the forum? You get a few staff posting in spam such as the forum moderators and others, I know it's not much but at least you get a few people. You can't make every single staff spam there, if you want your friends to join in maybe mention them so you can create a conversation with them :D.

Staff spam might be nice, not disputing that, but then again is everyone on the forum staff?
No-one's saying that staff have to post in spam, but if they feel a need to spam they should do so in the same place as the rest of us. I don't have a section of the forum where only my friends are allowed to post, none of us do, so there is no justification for staff to have one.


Not a dig I just didn't agree with all your post, but even if staff spam was closed I wouldn't post in the spam forum, in a rare occasion I will but it doesn't mean I am hiding away if I don't.

Then that's your own problem, and one that makes no sense whatsoever. If someone's bullying you, report them and it'll be sorted. You'd have a valid point if spam was a free-for-all battle arena, but it's not so you don't.

[beth]

i was thoroughly pissed off at the last managerial "shall we close spam" discussion mainly because people (it felt) didn't want to see my point of view.

back in the day (like 2005-2008) managers would be everywhere in the community especially in spam and they would be known now i think many of the regulars (lets take tom for example FlyingJesus) probably wouldn't be able to even name some of them. i think that's awful since these people who are managers are meant to be shining members of the community.

one of the points brought up when we were talking about closing staff spam was that i think managers should encourage their staff to post and i even went as far as saying if they didn't post then they shouldn't be considered as staff. but both of those ideas were turned down with the first "we can't force our staff to post" you can, and you should.

[David]

I thought this thread was about the mods?

But it honestly wouldn't bother me if the spam threads disappeared. I use them but I won't miss them.
I think Staff Forums should be solely about staff business not conversing to gain friends, they can do that in public forums, skype, msn or on habbo.


Bethie I only know of a few of the managers myself :P

[buttons]

i don't actually understand what is wrong with going off-topic once or twice in a thread or not directly answering the question - doing so will only make the thread generic and robotic, quite like the moderation on here. as long as posts have some sort of relevancy to the topic and isn't to get post counts up then it's doing no harm at all. i see many people admitting to posting for post count, usually staff who seem to think it's incredibly important but nothing is done about that.

moderators have done this pointless posting editing for a long time, they see something that slightly breaks the rules and feel the NEED to edit it. they should think about whether its actually disrupting the thread or going in a completely different direction - which it rarely does. i never get edited for pointless posting but i'm realizing that's because i've gotten in to the habit of not doing it incase i get edited for "breaking the rules". breaking rules is supposed to be a negative and because you've done something wrong but how is pointless posting harmful? it isn't and can actually generate more discussion. i usually end up replying to someone on their profile or pming them if they've made a post to me in a thread in order to avoid getting infracted for it but it would be much more practical to post it there and to liven up a thread.



it's not a big deal, i don't mind it when people have a little private joke with each other in a thread, it brings more character to it. + if you don't like inside jokes which general spam is supposedly so famous for (i actually see it in a lot of staff about other staff members) then stop segregating everyone. general spam isn't just there for our 'pointless' posts, it's not just there for people who aren't staff. its for everyone and that's how it should be. as for seperate spams, it's as though us non staff members are of a different species and not worthy but if you actually look at the regulars in general spam they tend to have a higher post count, higher reputation and have been around a lot longer than the current staff, maybe even being ex staff themselves who are then just thrown to 'the bottom of the pile'. if there's going to be a staff spam then don't go on about how clique we are when obviously we only have each other to talk to and can't really relate to the staff and their ~inside jokes~ in their own spam thread.

stephen is a grumpy old git to anyone and everyone so don't mind him. he isn't the only person like that. i made a thread ages ago about wanting more people to post in spam and i think we succeeded. these are people who didn't want to post because we're "scary". i think staff are worse to each other, especially habbo staff - & yes maybe i'm generalizing but that's what everyone seems to do to non-staff spam members. stephen isn't spam.



Again I do not agree most of the staff in the departments I am in post on the forum, there are only a few that don't which do tend to be trialists if they have applied from habbox.com itself so again I feel it isn't that they don't post where we all can see. They do, they just post in other forums and if you are too into spam then you would not notice. :).
this is exactly what people are taking about. "if you are too into spam" - we're not just 'spam' members. you act as though it's a bad thing and that we're only interested in ourselves. of course we are, we're the only people who post there. there are staff members then there are non-staff members, or at least that's how it's made out to be so how else can we interact with everyone else/


Sorry I am not forcing my staff to post in spam, you can't make them, just like you can't make them post in the staff spam forums, it doesn't mean that they are inactive, they post in the normal forums. They don't need to do anything more than do the role they volunteer to do.
jeez, your attitude is appalling and sounds as though power has went straight to your head which is absolutely ridiculous considering most spam members (as you all like to call us) probably have no idea who you are. i guess maybe authority and status (ie being staff) is much more important to people on here than it is to actually make an effort to communicate WITH THE COMMUNITY?

I thought that too, but when sly threads or comments are made about me when I don't even post there it get's annoying so why the hell should I be made to post there?
so basically you're one of those bitter people who was 'rejected' by spam (actually thanks to a GM or whatever hoteluser was) so now you hate it? again most people in spam probably don't know you and couldn't care less about why some people make sly threads or comments about you. no-ones asking you personally to post there so get over yourself..

It would be nice, not disputing that, but then again do you like everyone on the forum? You get a few staff posting in spam such as the forum moderators and others, I know it's not much but at least you get a few people. You can't make every single staff spam there, if you want your friends to join in maybe mention them so you can create a conversation with them :D.
no not everyone likes everyone but i personally put up with them and try to converse with them because i'm not a 12 year old child but if that's what makes up staff nowadays then fair enough. not everyone in general spam likes each other and there are groups within groups. forum moderators mainly only post there because they HAVE to read every thread or else they wouldn't be doing their job (as i seem to recall infectious/chris saying). and how can we make friends with staff members when they're never trying to befriend any of us either? only their 'own kind' hence why we stick with OUR 'own kind'

There are rude people, there are rude people all over the forum, doesn't mean we should stop posting though and although I don't post in spam, I post in many threads all over the forum but at least most of the staff in the departments I'm in do post, again I say you can't really ask for more.
& this isn't just about you but if 'YOUR' staff members were to see this i'm pretty sure they'd rather listen to you than a NON STAFF MEMBER like myself. you could at least encourage them to post but no all your post does is reinforce the idea that we're all evil. how annoying.

it would be nice if staff members, not managers or moderation, posted what they thought about general spam and staff spam but i doubt any of them will. would be nice if you know you directed them to this thread to show them that there is a problem and could they try make more effort? it's a simple request and they don't have to but they could at least be highlighted about it.

[Kasabian]

TL;DR

Pretty much sums up my opinion on this.

[Samantha]

buttons

I know you're not just spam members and I think you give great posts throughout the forum I didn't mean to sound like that's all you do at all sorry if it came across that way. I don't think power has gone to my head though if I sound like I have then again I am sorry and if I wasn't staff I would also communicate as I wasn't staff for a long while and still managed to communicate too. I don't hate spam, I was interested in some spam threads yesterday and I remember communicating in there the other week I think it has improved since say 6 months/12 months ago and I should have really considered the really long essay more before writing it as I don't think I portrayed myself in a very nice and mature way. On the other hand though, I know you aren't all confined to spam, I mean I love reading posts from the likes of you FJ and Bethie, you give great posts.

I also agree with you about moderators it makes sense.

To your final point I guess I could tell them to post more, the majority do but some don't but I guess I don't completely realise as they are doing their job to a high standard but then again with rv they are a community role so I could be more motivating for them. When I'm back from being away that is.

I remember events push their staff as they had a staff challenge that contributed posting and although you critisied my post I do agree with you mainly throughout reinforcing my post about you making great posts.

I sound rather hypocritical but I'd rather look at everything from both sides and get critisised than just being one sided all the time.

However, with pointless posting (best add this in here) I remember someone last night and I asked Chris if it was pointless this post and he said yes but it was an obvious pointless post. I think that some that get modded are needed but then again sometimes moderators read too far into the situation if you get me? :).

[Mathew]

I remember events push their staff as they had a staff challenge that contributed posting and although you critisied my post I do agree with you mainly throughout reinforcing my post about you making great posts.
Of course, management should be encouraging their staff to post in the regular forums, but I simply don't agree with forcing them to. If you'd like to be dramatic and talk about segregation on a Habbo fansite then that's great, but I really do think that spam threads have their place in some departments.

"Staff Bonding" is a rather vague term, but it does help the team to actually interact with each other. Staff Bonding occurs in real life institutions as it's a way to increase morality. Naturally I can only speak for Events, but the majority of new trialists do pop along in the spam thread, say hello, and ask questions. It's an informal setting for everyone to speak together: it's one thread, not a whole section. I think if it wasn't for the spam thread, then we'd simply get a much higher staff turnover and it just wouldn't be as... fun.

The second, and arguably main, point is the fact that these people just wouldn't post in the regular forums anyway. Regardless of whether there's a spam thread sat there in the Events Organisers forum, I highly doubt it will have any effect on the amount of posting in the main section. People post on Habbox because they want to, not because they have nowhere else to post. We need to encourage them to post by creating interesting, conversational threads; not removing "fun things" and expecting them to make the change. Because they won't.

There seems to be the assumption that these "staff members" are posting machines and they're the sole answer to HabboxForum's lack of posting crisis. By all means remove the spam threads for a trial period, but I'm pretty sure that it will yield no improvement in posting and we'll be left with an isolated, independent group of people who fail to work as a team.

[FlyingJesus]

So what IS your opinion then? That post pretty much says "oh I was lying before, soz" and not much else

This goes out to everyone who thinks that staff ought to have a separate spam section just for them: if you can give me a logical argument as to why its existence is good for the forum that I can't hack to pieces as I (and others) have done so far, I will concede. Until then, "WE WANT ONE!!!!" is simply not good enough


The second, and arguably main, point is the fact that these people just wouldn't post in the regular forums anyway. Regardless of whether there's a spam thread sat there in the Events Organisers forum, I highly doubt it will have any effect on the amount of posting in the main section. People post on Habbox because they want to, not because they have nowhere else to post. We need to encourage them to post by creating interesting, conversational threads; not removing "fun things" and expecting them to make the change. Because they won't.

Frankly they have **** all reason for being staff then. If you're not regularly posting on the forum you are not a decent member of the community, and that's that. If you're completely unknown and refuse to integrate with the members you're supposed to be representing then you have no place whatsoever pretending to be a beacon for Habbox, no matter how good you are at sitting in a room clicking dice.

[Mathew]

Frankly they have **** all reason for being staff then. If you're not regularly posting on the forum you are not a decent member of the community, and that's that. If you're completely unknown and refuse to integrate with the members you're supposed to be representing then you have no place whatsoever pretending to be a beacon for Habbox, no matter how good you are at sitting in a room clicking dice.

That's a decent point, but on the other hand we're also tasked with the job of bringing new members to Habbox. I wouldn't turn down a good Events Organiser application just because they're unheard of. I'd give them equal hearing because they're new and we're trying to get more people active on the site. I could quite happily accept Bethie as an Events Organiser, but then I'd also like to accept a new user because it just might turn out they're the next General Manager. You need some balance rather than just recycling the same old users.

[FlyingJesus]

Applicants fair enough, I'm not suggesting that all comms staff should have a certain post count or join date or anything, but they absolutely should not be people who shy away from using the forums as you seem to suggest they do

[Mathew]

Applicants fair enough, I'm not suggesting that all comms staff should have a certain post count or join date or anything, but they absolutely should not be people who shy away from using the forums as you seem to suggest they do
I don't think "shy away" is the best phrasing - it's more just the simple fact that they're being thrown into the deep end of a new community. They need to be slowly introduced and encouraged rather than expected to just get out there and post (because indeed, they're not machines). I daresay this encouragement can only take place if there's a solid base in their respective staff forums.

Another issue I've noticed over the years is that new users simply don't know how to use forums. I've spent hours explaining how a forum works to potential new users on the client. They just don't understand how the different sections work, and they don't know what a "thread" or a "post" is. This is one reason why I made a couple of videos for EOs to explain how they book events and create Community Notice Board announcements - I do think the site would benefit if there were some available explaining how the forum in general works. Didn't Oli make some a few years ago? The only one I can find is the one at www.habboxforum.com/help, but I'm pretty sure there were some more. :P

[David]

departments who provide to the community should be a part of the community, not hide away in a spam thread.
if staff bonding is the reason the thread is there, managers should make an effort to bond in other ways.

[beth]

i struggle to believe they're that clueless on posting when they've managed to send a private message to apply in the first place. but i do hear the next few weeks the forum team have exciting stuff planned so hopefully it'll all remedy itself.

[Mathew]

departments who provide to the community should be a part of the community, not hide away in a spam thread.
if staff bonding is the reason the thread is there, managers should make an effort to bond in other ways.
So non-community departments are allowed to be social recluses too? :P
Read my other posts for reasons why removing them would be pointless more than anything.


i struggle to believe they're that clueless on posting when they've managed to send a private message to apply in the first place. but i do hear the next few weeks the forum team have exciting stuff planned so hopefully it'll all remedy itself.
You can quite easily talk them through how to send a PM, although I was talking about a possible reason why new members don't post in general as opposed to staff! :D

[FlyingJesus]

I don't think "shy away" is the best phrasing - it's more just the simple fact that they're being thrown into the deep end of a new community. They need to be slowly introduced and encouraged rather than expected to just get out there and post (because indeed, they're not machines). I daresay this encouragement can only take place if there's a solid base in their respective staff forums.

New members who don't become staff seem to manage fine away from a "solid base" in a separate area :S besides new staff are not the only problem or even a majority of the problem here, people like Sam and Kirsty are hardly new but they both seem to demand segregation, among many others

[Inseriousity.]

I think when you say 'what should we do to increase staff posting', you should ask 'would this idea work for normal members' and if it doesn't then perhaps it's not as good as you think it is because if you remove their ranks, that is what every staff member is. A member. Forcing normal members to post sounds ridiculous so why is it good for staff members, for example?

I don't really agree with moving staff spam threads because in my experience, the only time the comps department has really worked at all cylinders is when staff morale was high as a result of them all talking in the spam thread. This has benefits for the community because as a result, there were better competitions and more activity on Habbo. I also don't agree because staff are volunteers. There are staff members that'd work round the clock no matter what happened but these, imo, are a minority. The odd diamond that shines more brighter. While everyone's contribution is ofc helpful and respected, these people tend to go above and beyond what's expected. However, there are other staff members who only do it for fun or something they do in their spare time so making the staff forums all business-like would just put them off. I am also not entirely convinced that posting would increase as a result of staff spam threads being removed. There isn't really any evidence to back this up either way so a trial run to see what would happen would be interesting but my own hypothesis would be that these people would just not post at all. And then finally, the word community has been banded about a lot and I agree that community departments should be seen and heard around the community but does that just mean the forum community? There are a lot of community staff that don't post a great deal, the odd post here and there, but they are really active on Habbo and have a lot of friends in corners of Habbo that Habbox has never really been able to get into. We should be encouraging these staff to invite their friends over to Habbox. We should be encouraging these staff that there is also a forum community that they should get involved with rather than using the forum as a noticeboard for staff announcements; to give them the best in both worlds with Habbox getting the benefits (extra posts, extra members) and the only way they are going to do that is if they like the job they do here. In short, management need to encourage, not force, staff to post by highlighting and showing the benefits of posting in the forum community.

I did have an idea that quality threads could be rewarded in a QI type award. Every month, forum management reward those thread starters that provided the most quality discussion. Obviously, quality is subjective but the idea being that people would start making threads about what they find interesting.

[FlyingJesus]

However, there are other staff members who only do it for fun or something they do in their spare time so making the staff forums all business-like would just put them off. I am also not entirely convinced that posting would increase as a result of staff spam threads being removed. There isn't really any evidence to back this up either way so a trial run to see what would happen would be interesting but my own hypothesis would be that these people would just not post at all.


Frankly they have **** all reason for being staff then. If you're not regularly posting on the forum you are not a decent member of the community, and that's that. If you're completely unknown and refuse to integrate with the members you're supposed to be representing then you have no place whatsoever pretending to be a beacon for Habbox, no matter how good you are at sitting in a room clicking dice.

Already covered people who don't/won't post regardless of the existence of staff spam - they are easily replaced and of no use to the community as a whole.


And then finally, the word community has been banded about a lot and I agree that community departments should be seen and heard around the community but does that just mean the forum community? There are a lot of community staff that don't post a great deal, the odd post here and there, but they are really active on Habbo and have a lot of friends in corners of Habbo that Habbox has never really been able to get into. We should be encouraging these staff to invite their friends over to Habbox.

No it's not the only part, but it's a massive part and an important one that all community staff should be actively involved with. If a member of events said they don't like using Habbo any more but should still be kept on because they post on the forum and community does not "just mean the Habbo community" it would be ridiculous, and this is the same.


We should be encouraging these staff that there is also a forum community that they should get involved with rather than using the forum as a noticeboard for staff announcements; to give them the best in both worlds with Habbox getting the benefits (extra posts, extra members) and the only way they are going to do that is if they like the job they do here. In short, management need to encourage, not force, staff to post by highlighting and showing the benefits of posting in the forum community.

Yes, encouragement is better than force but I think it's only Bethie who's actually mentioned forcing staff to post so that's not really a point that needs much addressing. It should be something they're doing already, and staff spam is a huge block in that respect in that it keeps staff and members divided.

[Zelda]

Tbh though I never use staff spam forums and don't see the point in them existing anyway tbh, does just seem to take them away from the "non staff community"

[beth]

Yes, encouragement is better than force but I think it's only Bethie who's actually mentioned forcing staff to post so that's not really a point that needs much addressing. It should be something they're doing already, and staff spam is a huge block in that respect in that it keeps staff and members divided.

the only reason i mentioned "forcing people to post" is that was the response when i suggested people encourage their staff to post the response i received was "i'm not going to force people to post"

[jasey]

No we don't all post in the spam, if we did there would be thousands of threads per day.

Considering HxF tops out at no more than five hundred users per day I don't see how 'thousands' of threads would be created daily. Maybe it was an exaggeration but it doesn't make much sense.


Again I do not agree most of the staff in the departments I am in post on the forum, there are only a few that don't which do tend to be trialists if they have applied from habbox.com itself so again I feel it isn't that they don't post where we all can see. They do, they just post in other forums and if you are too into spam then you would not notice. :).

I kind of resent that sort of comment. Clearly you do not know me very well or you would know that I post all over the entire Forum minus a few sections I have no experience with like Automobiles. To act like someone who is a regular in Spam only cares about Spam and Spam itself, ignoring all other sections, is a rude thing to say. I love every section and spread my posts accordingly.


Sorry I am not forcing my staff to post in spam, you can't make them, just like you can't make them post in the staff spam forums, it doesn't mean that they are inactive, they post in the normal forums. They don't need to do anything more than do the role they volunteer to do.

Samanfa, I don't recall ever calling anyone inactive. I am not asking for staff to be forced to post in Spam but rather try out the removal of Staff Spam and have the staff that used to post there post their topics in the regular Spam. If they are not in to Spam forums, fair play. They don't have to post in Staff Spam and if Staff Spam was gone they wouldn't have to post in Spam either. It is their choice. No one asked you to force anyone to do anything and it is a dodgy statement to claim otherwise.


I thought that too, but when sly threads or comments are made about me when I don't even post there it get's annoying so why the hell should I be made to post there?

Again, no one is forcing you to post there. If you don't feel comfortable with the atmosphere in Spam, then by all means, stay away at your will. I haven't been here as long as others but I do know that it is a fact that Spam has become much more welcoming and open that it was a few years ago. I personally haven't seen anything 'sly' about you in the past month or month and a half. It might be that you are reading too much in to this.


It would be nice, not disputing that, but then again do you like everyone on the forum? You get a few staff posting in spam such as the forum moderators and others, I know it's not much but at least you get a few people. You can't make every single staff spam there, if you want your friends to join in maybe mention them so you can create a conversation with them :D.

That is a really haughty thing to say! Why should it be anyone's responsibility to push people to post anywhere? What I am asking for is the trial removal of Staff Spam so that all spam threads are directed in to the regular Spam forum. If you are friends with someone, you don't have the responsibility to beg at them to speak to you every time you want interaction. In the real world, friendships are a mutual thing and you build the relationship by doing things for each other without prompting. I do adore the staff that post in Spam because I have gotten to know them and made lovely friendships but for you to say that I should be happy with that and shush up makes me think the 'ivory tower' reference people were making before is sort of true. I am not completely sure but it is definitely in my mind. On that note, yes, I respect each and every member of the forum. I am not a vindictive or judgemental person.


There are rude people, there are rude people all over the forum, doesn't mean we should stop posting though and although I don't post in spam, I post in many threads all over the forum but at least most of the staff in the departments I'm in do post, again I say you can't really ask for more. Most staff do not hide though, just because they don't post in spam doesn't mean they are hiding away. Are you familiar with some profiles, look at the staff list, look at their profiles and see how many posts they have, I think you might be surprised.

I ask that you please don't try to lord yourself over me like I am ignorant or something. I pride myself in the fact that I am very aware regarding what goes on in the forum and I post more frequently than almost anyone. I read and often reply to staff posts in other sections. The thing is that you are missing the point - by giving staff a special 'Spam' for themselves they are naturally inclined to post there as opposed to with the rest of us in regular Spam. When I mentioned the word 'hide', I meant that their spam posts are hidden in a forum not visible to me or most other members. I don't get to see their day to day remarks on non-topic things and I am deprived of the chance at a relationship with them akin to that I have built with Spam regulars. I know this is a repeat, but I am not asking for staff to be forced to post in Spam. I simply request that someone at least tries to encourage the mix of Staff Spam and regular Spam so that more interaction can take place. Connections and conversation are the basis of this forum and any forum for that matter.


Not a dig I just didn't agree with all your post, but even if staff spam was closed I wouldn't post in the spam forum, in a rare occasion I will but it doesn't mean I am hiding away if I don't.

I understand this and there are no hard feelings. I can respect that we have a difference of opinion. I don't think you are hiding away nor do I think you have any obligation to post in Spam but I don't agree with staff having a separate Staff Spam that is hidden from the rest of the regular users. Staff bonding can occur through other methods and it would be, in my view, a great move forward for the forum to encourage the mix and conversation between staff and regular users. I know this isn't an extreme case, but I don't think you support a sort of 'apartness' on the forum. Staff are equal to regular users - they just have different responsibilities. Having a green username doesn't change anything about the person behind it.

In any case, fair play and I appreciate hearing your side of things. I will definitely take it to heart. Cheers and you have a wonderful day, Samanfa.

[GommeInc]

Staff forums exist and it's important for these forums to exist as they contain information for the staff such as user guides, important announcements in regards of that department and other useful stuff which is specifically for that department. If staff don't work in that specific department then there is no reason for the other staff to be told about it, hence why there is separate staff forums. In terms of engaging into the actual public forums, that would be more related to the staff spam threads than the actual staff forums in general.
Hence why I said the only use for staff forums is for private, staff related discussions or info - anything that hints towards any discussion should be moved to the public forums where maybe staff and community can discuss thigns with each other, for once. You're running a community forum - not a conglomerate where staff work in offices and your customers use your services. Jeez, just because Habbo does this it doesn't mean you should :P

[xxMATTGxx]

Hence why I said the only use for staff forums is for private, staff related discussions or info - anything that hints towards any discussion should be moved to the public forums where maybe staff and community can discuss thigns with each other, for once. You're running a community forum - not a conglomerate where staff work in offices and your customers use your services. Jeez, just because Habbo does this it doesn't mean you should :P

Most stuff is discussion in terms of staff related or department related apart from one main thread that each department has which is known as the "Spam Thread". I think it would be interesting to see if a trial did take place if any effect did happen in terms of posting in the main forums and if it doesn't then I guess we know that the spam threads had no effect of some sort.

[beth]

i don't know why so many people are anti-trialing it out. if it doesn't work then you can have yr thread back.

[Stephen]

Well obviously all the staff will be like

LET'S NOT POST IN THE MAIN SPAM SO WE GET STAFF SPAM BACK

Don't trial it, just remove it completely

[Mathew]

Well most people are probably anti-trial because they realise it will have no effect in the slightest. It seems to me that one small feature has been blown completely out of proportion and we're all making out that this will be the sole answer to the site's issues. It's a Habbo fansite for goodness sake: it's beyond me why you'd want to suck the fun out of every nook and cranny. The whole ethos of the site is becoming distorted - people join HabboxForum for fun, not to contribute to posting statistics.

Give it a go, just so we can put a stop to this nonsense.

[beth]

Well most people are probably anti-trial because they realise it will have no effect in the slightest. It seems to me that one small feature has been blown completely out of proportion and we're all making out that this will be the sole answer to the site's issues. It's a Habbo fansite for goodness sake: it's beyond me why you'd want to suck the fun out of every nook and cranny. The whole ethos of the site is becoming distorted - people join HabboxForum for fun, not to contribute to posting statistics.

Give it a go, just so we can put a stop to this nonsense.

oh my life matt, firstly: are you mystic meg? no-one knows the results of a trial before a trial so that's rubbish. you don't want it to work out so you are predicting a negative result.

secondly sucking the life? please get a grip. the rest of the forum is fun and welcoming, it's not like we're shutting normal spam and saying NO MORE CONVERSATIONAL POSTS JUST POST IN CURRENT AFFAIRS OR HABBO NEWS.

[FlyingJesus]

SEGREGATION AND LACK OF ACTIVITY IS FUN!!!

[Catchy]

I got a mod warning the other day warning me about pointless posting when really I was just replying to something I think it may have been in papoy I can't remember, but yh the mod then actual told me personally that they were really only doing it to get their mod logs up... not gna name any names but yeh.

And regarding staff spam I don't post in the competitions staff spam mainly because it's dead and I sometimes post in the normal spam but not as much as I used to

[FlyingJesus]

Got another edit for pointless posting when I've directly answered a thread question, although this time it's been called "unconstructive posting", presumably suggesting that it's not something which can spark discussion. Apparently my reason for liking animals is somehow not worthy of discussion, nor is my revealing of what cheers me up when I'm feeling down. The fact that no-one DID respond does not mean that no-one COULD respond, and if that's the basis we're going by these days then just about every post on the forum is "pointless" or "unconstructive".

I also got an edit yesteday for saying the name of a porn site. Not for linking to it (which is covered in the rules) but simply mentioning it (which is not). I was not graphic, I did not suggest anyone go on it - in fact I actually said not to - and the mere mention of such things is not at any point in the rules alluded to.

Sort it out guys

[Chris]

Got another edit for pointless posting when I've directly answered a thread question, although this time it's been called "unconstructive posting", presumably suggesting that it's not something which can spark discussion. Apparently my reason for liking animals is somehow not worthy of discussion, nor is my revealing of what cheers me up when I'm feeling down. The fact that no-one DID respond does not mean that no-one COULD respond, and if that's the basis we're going by these days then just about every post on the forum is "pointless" or "unconstructive".

This was the question asked by the thread poster:

"if you're an animal lover, what are your views on people who just can't stand them?"

Saying that you like animals because they're delicious has nothing to do with that at all.

[Catchy]

This was the question asked by the thread poster:

"if you're an animal lover, what are your views on people who just can't stand them?"

Saying that you like animals because they're delicious has nothing to do with that at all.


There's loads of others that didn't express their opinion about people who can't stand animals, I for one didn't yet I don't deem my post as pointless.

[beth]

This was the question asked by the thread poster:

"if you're an animal lover, what are your views on people who just can't stand them?"

Saying that you like animals because they're delicious has nothing to do with that at all.

it's an amusing comment that relates to the content of the original post which may encourage conversation and/or debate.

i think that post is the best proof so far of the overmoderation of the pointless posting rule.

was someone really offended enough to report that?

[Catzsy]

This was the question asked by the thread poster:

"if you're an animal lover, what are your views on people who just can't stand them?"

Saying that you like animals because they're delicious has nothing to do with that at all.


So if FJ had said that he liked animals because they're cute it would have been okay? I am guessing you would think so. Personally I think he was posting something that was a bit off the wall but after all we do eat animals which is a valid answer to the question which could be read as liking them as a species or as fodder! Sorry Chris I think it was way too harsh to edit this. :P

Got another edit for pointless posting when I've directly answered a thread question, although this time it's been called "unconstructive posting", presumably suggesting that it's not something which can spark discussion. Apparently my reason for liking animals is somehow not worthy of discussion, nor is my revealing of what cheers me up when I'm feeling down. The fact that no-one DID respond does not mean that no-one COULD respond, and if that's the basis we're going by these days then just about every post on the forum is "pointless" or "unconstructive".

I also got an edit yesteday for saying the name of a porn site. Not for linking to it (which is covered in the rules) but simply mentioning it (which is not). I was not graphic, I did not suggest anyone go on it - in fact I actually said not to - and the mere mention of such things is not at any point in the rules alluded to.

Sort it out guys

FJ, the mentioning of a porn site by name has always been against the rules for pretty obvious reasons i.e. some younger member might decide to look up what you had quoted and then his parents walk in the room. It's a no brainer in my opinion. Get a grip! :P :D

Pointless posting isn't the easist thing to moderate and I remember Chris saying the other day that the rules have not changed which is true but it really varies from Mod to Mod as it is a judgment call. Chris always thought I was too soft on it - I think that unless it is multiple C&P posts, makes absolutely no sense at all, is just a one/two word answer or is completely off topic and perhaps just a conversation between two people then it should be left alone otherwise it puts members off posting and stifles originality making the forum quite boring.

[beth]

So if FJ had said that he liked animals because they're cute it would have been okay? I am guessing you would think so. Personally I think he was posting something that was a bit off the wall but after all we do eat animals which is a valid answer to the question which could be read as liking them as a species or as fodder! Sorry Chris I think it was way too harsh to edit this. :P


FJ, the mentioning of a porn site by name has always been against the rules for pretty obvious reasons i.e. some younger member might decide to look up what you had quoted and then his parents walk in the room. It's a no brainer in my opinion. Get a grip! :P :D

Pointless posting isn't the easist thing to moderate and I remember Chris saying the other day that the rules have not changed which is true but it really varies from Mod to Mod as it is a judgment call. Chris always thought I was too soft on it - I think that unless it is multiple C&P posts, makes absolutely no sense at all, is just a one/two word answer or is completely off topic and perhaps just a conversation between two people then it should be left alone otherwise it puts members off posting and stifles originality making the forum quite boring.

rosie voice of reason, please return.

[Zak]

all this because of moderation........ *sigh*

edit: i just thought, for irony it would be funny if this post was now labelled pointless :)

[Chris]

So if FJ had said that he liked animals because they're cute it would have been okay? I am guessing you would think so. Personally I think he was posting something that was a bit off the wall but after all we do eat animals which is a valid answer to the question which could be read as liking them as a species or as fodder! Sorry Chris I think it was way too harsh to edit this. :P

I'm not saying it isn't harsh, but his post isn't constructive to what the thread creator asked. The rules state that a post is pointless if it isn't constructive.


Pointless posting isn't the easist thing to moderate and I remember Chris saying the other day that the rules have not changed which is true but it really varies from Mod to Mod as it is a judgment call. Chris always thought I was too soft on it - I think that unless it is multiple C&P posts, makes absolutely no sense at all, is just a one/two word answer or is completely off topic and perhaps just a conversation between two people then it should be left alone otherwise it puts members off posting and stifles originality making the forum quite boring.

Scott will be discussing it with Brandon and Matt to see what changes could be made to it. Despite what some may think, I do want to see it more relaxed, but until a decision has been made I will continue to moderate under the current rules.

[Mathew]

oh my life matt, firstly: are you mystic meg? no-one knows the results of a trial before a trial so that's rubbish. you don't want it to work out so you are predicting a negative result.

secondly sucking the life? please get a grip. the rest of the forum is fun and welcoming, it's not like we're shutting normal spam and saying NO MORE CONVERSATIONAL POSTS JUST POST IN CURRENT AFFAIRS OR HABBO NEWS.
I've already said to give it a trial but I'm predicting it will show nothing. Very much like you're giving it a trial just because you expect a positive result. Not everyone has to agree with you! ;)

Of course, the whole ordeal is being taken far too seriously. Perhaps I'm just too laid back, but the point of a forum is to have fun: not to please people with some amazing statistics. Both would be nice, obviously, but removing something which has worked fine for years is pretty daft. :)

[jasey]

So if FJ had said that he liked animals because they're cute it would have been okay? I am guessing you would think so. Personally I think he was posting something that was a bit off the wall but after all we do eat animals which is a valid answer to the question which could be read as liking them as a species or as fodder! Sorry Chris I think it was way too harsh to edit this. :P


FJ, the mentioning of a porn site by name has always been against the rules for pretty obvious reasons i.e. some younger member might decide to look up what you had quoted and then his parents walk in the room. It's a no brainer in my opinion. Get a grip! :P :D

Pointless posting isn't the easist thing to moderate and I remember Chris saying the other day that the rules have not changed which is true but it really varies from Mod to Mod as it is a judgment call. Chris always thought I was too soft on it - I think that unless it is multiple C&P posts, makes absolutely no sense at all, is just a one/two word answer or is completely off topic and perhaps just a conversation between two people then it should be left alone otherwise it puts members off posting and stifles originality making the forum quite boring.

I am so glad you were here to welcome me to the forum when I joined. I totally agree with your views and even if you don't have time to be a MOD right now I think I speak for everyone when I express appreciation for you posting your opinion in threads like this. It not only helps everyone because you are so reasonable but also shows you care so much about the HxF community in the sense that you would take the time to give input even though it is no longer your obligation. Cheers, Rosie! You are the best.

[GommeInc]

I'm not saying it isn't harsh, but his post isn't constructive to what the thread creator asked. The rules state that a post is pointless if it isn't constructive.
Then don't follow the rules like a mindless robot, especially when the rules are misguided and contradict basic meanings of words. It wasn't pointless at all, a pointless post would be saying "I like chocolate raisins" in a thread about your views on people who dislike animals. His post wasn't pointless, because the thread is about animals. He likes animals because they are edible. These sorts of things should not be spelled out to people under a false meaning of the word "point" and "pointless".

EDIT:

Also, the Staff Spam thread should just removed. It clearly has no reason to exist. Staff should be interacting with members, so a spam thread contradicts what staff should be doing.

[Chris]

Then don't follow the rules like a mindless robot, especially when the rules are misguided and contradict basic meanings of words. It wasn't pointless at all, a pointless post would be saying "I like chocolate raisins" in a thread about your views on people who dislike animals. His post wasn't pointless, because the thread is about animals. He likes animals because they are edible. These sorts of things should not be spelled out to people under a false meaning of the word "point" and "pointless".

It wasn't pointless but it was unconstructive to the original question. Like I said, forum management are going to discuss it and change it if they see a need to.

[beth]

It wasn't pointless but it was unconstructive to the original question. Like I said, forum management are going to discuss it and change it if they see a need to.

but surely threads are allowed to change course and develop?

[Catchy]

but surely threads are allowed to change course and develop?

ye I agree cause if they didn't they'd be no conversation, no banter and no debating isn't that the whole point of a forum?

oh and i'd love to see this staff spam everyones banging on about cause competition staff spam is so boring... zzz... so you aint missing out on much. even if they were deleted people wouldn't use the spam section because some people just don't like it and you can't force somebody to post there.

It can actually be really scary posting in spam i admit because you never really know what to expect. sure you can just brush it on the shoulder if you get any comments you don't want to hear and i know most of the time it is just banter lots of the time people fail to understand this and take it really personally so i can see why some people are put off by spam, it shouldn't be like this but it is.

and the fact that lots of people are saying well staff should conversate with us well i'm sure loads of you wouldn't even want to conversate with half the staff if even given the chance, just sayin

[Chris]

but surely threads are allowed to change course and develop?

Yes of course, this thread is an example of that. The problem is nothing to do with a thread evolving though, its to do with posts being unconstructive to the thread creators question.

Once it has been clarified by forum management then we can work to improve the issue if they see that there is one.

[Stephen]

It's stupid cos it's like we can't joke around in a normal thread

Like Tom saying animals are delicious...oh damn his post lacks seriousness *edits*

[Lee]

It's stupid cos it's like we can't joke around in a normal thread

Like Tom saying animals are delicious...oh damn his post lacks seriousness *edits*

I'd be quite annoyed if I posted a serious thread and then you came and "joked around" in it...

[Catchy]

I'd be quite annoyed if I posted a serious thread and then you came and "joked around" in it...

how would that annoy you? lol :S just wondering it just seems a bit strange that you'd get worked up about something which really isn't important

[Lee]

how would that annoy you? lol :S just wondering it just seems a bit strange that you'd get worked up about something which really isn't important

Well unfortunately I disagree hence my comment.

[GirlNextDoor15]

You don't expect everybody to be serious all the time. It's supposed to be a discussion and everybody can discuss happily with it instead of crying cause the mods are too serious and power mad

[FlyingJesus]

FJ, the mentioning of a porn site by name has always been against the rules for pretty obvious reasons i.e. some younger member might decide to look up what you had quoted and then his parents walk in the room. It's a no brainer in my opinion. Get a grip! :P :D

Then it ought to actually be written in the rules. I quite agree that it makes sense for it to be a rule, but since it's not in there it shouldn't be acted on currently


I'm not saying it isn't harsh, but his post isn't constructive to what the thread creator asked. The rules state that a post is pointless if it isn't constructive.

Even assuming that your illogical and oversimplified way of thinking does render that particular post pointless, there's also the issue of me answering (extremely directly) a thread on what cheers us up and you refused to concede the point that I'd done so, simply on the basis that you for some reason couldn't understand what I was saying. If you're going to moderate everything to the letter of the rules then it would be great if you did so for all posts rather than picking and choosing whenever you feel like throwing messages at me


It's stupid cos it's like we can't joke around in a normal thread

Like Tom saying animals are delicious...oh damn his post lacks seriousness *edits*

Errr I was totes serious animals are very much delicious

[GommeInc]

It wasn't pointless but it was unconstructive to the original question. Like I said, forum management are going to discuss it and change it if they see a need to.
Then don't call it pointless and refuse to edit a post of a member which is within the rules. Management need to learn what the difference is between off-topic and pointless, and even then a discussion with FlyingJesus could happen with what he said. You could reply with "So you only like animals because they are tasty, FJ?" Something that is off-topic must be something that cannot be replied to in a way which distracts from the purpose of the thread.

Also, another thing I have noticed with Habbox. Who is "management"? I remember when people talked about management using their names - like "I'd talk to jrh" etc. You don't get that these days either :/

edit: On a side note - no thread on this forum should be taken that seriously - it's a Habbo fansite, nothing is to be taken seriously and the thread in question isn't a strictly serious thread, unless someone is doing strict research from the RSPCA about why animal haters hate animals.

[Zelda]

I love just looking through the papoy thread and seeing the amount of posts as pointless posting, very few if any are actually pointless or even not following the rules of the thread, it's just mods trying to get mod logs clearly, this is why public forums are going downhill tbh.

[Chris]

I love just looking through the papoy thread and seeing the amount of posts as pointless posting, very few if any are actually pointless or even not following the rules of the thread, it's just mods trying to get mod logs clearly, this is why public forums are going downhill tbh.

It's nothing to do with getting logs. The rules in papoy are quite strict - http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=702879&p=5915961#post5915961

[Grig]

Yes of course, this thread is an example of that. The problem is nothing to do with a thread evolving though, its to do with posts being unconstructive to the thread creators question.

Once it has been clarified by forum management then we can work to improve the issue if they see that there is one.

Disagreed. Not all threads evolve posts by posts, sometimes you have something that is still on topic, but doesn't necessary evolve, yet is still within the forum rules.

It is true moderation discrepancy here is a problem and not everyone is on the same page. Forum management should leave discrepancy, yes, but make it more clear.

[Zelda]

It's nothing to do with getting logs. The rules in papoy are quite strict - http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=702879&p=5915961#post5915961


Rubbish chris and you know it, so many people are still following the strict rules and get pointless posted, your just being defensive tbh of the department, i know that obviously your good with the rules but so many just seem to be just pointless posting anything they can find, even if it's perfectly in the rules,

[Chris]

Rubbish chris and you know it, so many people are still following the strict rules and get pointless posted, your just being defensive tbh of the department, i know that obviously your good with the rules but so many just seem to be just pointless posting anything they can find, even if it's perfectly in the rules,

Give me some examples so they can be looked into. :)

[MissAlice]

Also, the Staff Spam thread should just removed. It clearly has no reason to exist. Staff should be interacting with members, so a spam thread contradicts what staff should be doing.



You're running a community forum - not a conglomerate where staff work in offices and your customers use your services.


Most stuff is discussion in terms of staff related or department related apart from one main thread that each department has which is known as the "Spam Thread".

I think all that is required for each department is a discussion thread.


departments who provide to the community should be a part of the community, not hide away in a spam thread.
if staff bonding is the reason the thread is there, managers should make an effort to bond in other ways.




I say remove staff spam and lets see if it integrates both staff and members together more.




As for staff spam closing, yes. It's not needed, it only furthers segregation of staff and members (inherently CAUSING the problem of them "not fitting in" elsewhere or whatever the lame excuse for needing it is), and of course means less activity outside of the staff area. Hx staff, especially those in the community departments, ought to be an active member of the forums so that they are aware and a part of the community they're supposed to be representing. It shouldn't have to be a case of managers having to actually note down how active their staff are in terms of posting, they should be wanting to be active already. If the argument "NORMAL SPAM IS SO HOSTILE!!!!!" comes up can you please ban whoever says it because it's simply not true and hasn't been for years. It's certainly no more hostile than the suggestion that staff are so above us that they require their own chat space.

I think it's been said enough times, and by long standing active members.

There is no need for a staff spam forum, all that it does is create a ‘them and us’, a divide! Please get rid of it. Staff should be encouraged to be active, to contribute with ideas, and take part in discussions that help the forum to grow, develop and go forward.

[beth]

I think all that is required for each department is a discussion thread.







I think it's been said enough times, and by long standing active members.

There is no need for a staff spam forum, all that it does is create a ‘them and us’, a divide! Please get rid of it. Staff should be encouraged to be active, to contribute with ideas, and take part in discussions that help the forum to grow, develop and go forward.

the problem i think is that so many managers are anti-removal of the staff spam thread that their staff won't get into the change.

it was myself and mattg vs about 11 people in the management discussion and it went nowhere.

[FlyingJesus]

You know things are bad when MissAlice rises from the dead to tell management to buck up their ideas

[MissAlice]

the problem i think is that so many managers are anti-removal of the staff spam thread that their staff won't get into the change.

it was myself and mattg vs about 11 people in the management discussion and it went nowhere.

This is about what the forum needs. What is best for the community? What are management scared of?

Staff bonding needs sorting if it relies on a staff spam forum. I'm not attacking anyone, just trying to open up minds, as there are other ways to improve staff relationships and help new staff get involved. They became staff to be involved, or did I get that wrong?

[Red]

There isn't even a staff spam thread, just individual ones for the department, which enables our department to bond with each other and get to know one another. Please give over about not being hostile because it was back then and it still is. I can link to numerous examples. I even invited people to this forum before and felt that people were so rude that they couldn't say. Also I am sure you would moan about the type of content that would then be posted in spam if it were to be removed. 'No habbo in spam' How many times has that been repeated? Anyway I don't believe that taking the spam thread away will force people to post in spam. They won't feel comfortable and simply will not post.

[beth]

This is about what the forum needs. What is best for the community? What are management scared of?

Staff bonding needs sorting if it relies on a staff spam forum. I'm not attacking anyone, just trying to open up minds, as there are other ways to improve staff relationships and help new staff get involved. They became staff to be involved, or did I get that wrong?

my main argument FOR closing staff spam was that staff should be supporting the community but i was shot down with comments such as "it isn't 'you scratch my back and we'll scratch yours'" apparently they don't feel the need to support the community as a whole. i wish the thread with management was in the open and people could see the battle myself and matt had. people just don't want it shut apparently.

[MissAlice]

I fully understand every department having a sub-forum for discussion, where they can discuss things that relate to each of their departments. But I fail to see why there is a need for a spam thread. It takes them away from the community that they are supposedly expected to be involved with. Hardly encouraging is it.

[FlyingJesus]

There isn't even a staff spam thread, just individual ones for the department, which enables our department to bond with each other and get to know one another.

Something which is quite possible in public spaces, which would also let non-staff get to know you


Please give over about not being hostile because it was back then and it still is. I can link to numerous examples. I even invited people to this forum before and felt that people were so rude that they couldn't say.

The rudeness of some of the people you brought in had nothing to do with that, of course... Also nothing that anyone could possibly say is more hostile than giving yourselves a separate area cut off from everyone else where only select people can converse. If you can't see that then you have no place even attempting to debate this


Also I am sure you would moan about the type of content that would then be posted in spam if it were to be removed. 'No habbo in spam' How many times has that been repeated?

Usually in jest, and not at all recently. Most people do actually tend to just stay away if content doesn't suit them


Anyway I don't believe that taking the spam thread away will force people to post in spam. They won't feel comfortable and simply will not post.

Then as I've said a few times on this matter, they have absolutely no place as supposed representatives of our community. That's a shocking stance to take, suggesting that only fellow staff members can be civil and welcoming as though having a job with Habbox magically makes you worthy of the Nobel Peace Prize

[Catchy]

I'm gonna butt in a sec, I do think that staff members need to be encouraged more to most in the actual forums, forget spam for a second just generally the forums. At the end of the day they're representing Habbox and they need to show dedication by all means, even if it's just a couple of posts a day it's not asking for much.

I understand the DJ department have a scheme where whoever has been the most active throughout the forum can win a month VIP?

But yeah, I think that if you're Habbox staff you should be expected to post throughout the forum and be active. I sometimes look at some of the staff names at the bottom of the forum and have NO IDEA who any of them are because they aren't active enough. If every staff member posted just a couple of threads a week then I'm sure the forum would be a lot more active? Because right now I only see certain members posting threads to keep the forum alive.

[David]

I'm gonna butt in a sec, I do think that staff members need to be encouraged more to most in the actual forums, forget spam for a second just generally the forums. At the end of the day they're representing Habbox and they need to show dedication by all means, even if it's just a couple of posts a day it's not asking for much.

I understand the DJ department have a scheme where whoever has been the most active throughout the forum can win a month VIP?

But yeah, I think that if you're Habbox staff you should be expected to post throughout the forum and be active. I sometimes look at some of the staff names at the bottom of the forum and have NO IDEA who any of them are because they aren't active enough. If every staff member posted just a couple of threads a week then I'm sure the forum would be a lot more active? Because right now I only see certain members posting threads to keep the forum alive.

this should be for all departments tbh. but there is the member of the month thing which is similar concept, post actively and get vip.

[Catchy]

Also I think some of the DJ's aren't active on the forum because that's all they want to do DJ, they aren't really too bothered about the community and I think they only post rarely because they've had to join up to the forum in the first place to apply for their positions.

[MissAlice]

I'm gonna butt in a sec, I do think that staff members need to be encouraged more to most in the actual forums, forget spam for a second just generally the forums. At the end of the day they're representing Habbox and they need to show dedication by all means, even if it's just a couple of posts a day it's not asking for much.

I understand the DJ department have a scheme where whoever has been the most active throughout the forum can win a month VIP?

But yeah, I think that if you're Habbox staff you should be expected to post throughout the forum and be active. I sometimes look at some of the staff names at the bottom of the forum and have NO IDEA who any of them are because they aren't active enough. If every staff member posted just a couple of threads a week then I'm sure the forum would be a lot more active? Because right now I only see certain members posting threads to keep the forum alive.

What a great positive reply, I'm glad you said it because you read my mind, staff just need encouraging. I'm very surprised it's not mentioned in the staff handbook! It doesn't have to be serious stuff like current affairs etc. There are many threads that are fun related ;)

[Red]

Surely you realise staff don't feel comfortable posting in spam. Ask yourself why that is :rolleyes: It's not jest at all. Comments in the past have put people posting off from making threads there because they feel like they are going to get negative comments. They have even made members leave/not stick around. HxHD has staff from the UK, US and Australia. We aren't on at the same times on habbo but it facilitates discussion and getting to know people in our department. I'm active in other forums and other staff should be too. Don't think taking away staff forums is a fix though.

[beth]

Surely you realise staff don't feel comfortable posting in spam. Ask yourself why that is :rolleyes: It's not jest at all. Comments in the past have put people posting off from making threads there because they feel like they are going to get negative comments. They have even made members leave/not stick around. HxHD has staff from the UK, US and Australia. We aren't on at the same times on habbo but it facilitates discussion and getting to know people in our department. I'm active in other forums and other staff should be too. Don't think taking away staff forums is a fix though.

i don't really understand how spam is THAT negative anymore, infact it's pretty friendly at the moment.

if people just gave it a GO.

[FlyingJesus]

Surely you realise staff don't feel comfortable posting in spam. Ask yourself why that is :rolleyes:

It's because small-minded people like yourself with very limited experience portray the spam section as some den of evil where only approved members can post without being lynched. This is not the case and has not been the case for years. If it was at all true there would be a hell of a lot fewer people posting in there, because I know for certain that not every regular user gets on and yet somehow (!!!) we all manage to coexist, with things only blowing up if someone is genuinely deserving it.


It's not jest at all.

Sorry, I forgot that you (being all superior as a staff member and all) know better than we do what we're thinking


Comments in the past have put people posting off from making threads there because they feel like they are going to get negative comments. They have even made members leave/not stick around.

Yes, if you make an arse of yourself people will point it out. This is not something that only exists in the spam section, as proved by this very post


HxHD has staff from the UK, US and Australia. We aren't on at the same times on habbo but it facilitates discussion and getting to know people in our department. I'm active in other forums and other staff should be too. Don't think taking away staff forums is a fix though.

...And again, such discussions should not and do not have to take place behind closed doors, especially when the aim appears to be creating a harmonious community where people get along. Shutting yourself away and acting like you need some special protection from the wild beasts that are non-staff members is certainly not for the good of the community as a whole

[Kyle]

Why are staff given incentives that normal members don't have access to simply because they are staff? If anything normal members should be rewarded for posting and it should be made a prerequisite to become staff to post actively if applying a 'community' job.

Staff spam is just the start of the problem. Once those threads are removed (doesn't look v likely atm) what happens then? Staff are going to simply stop logging onto the forum or post their mindless chit chat via visitor messages. Forum just needs some stimulating threads like the ones posted recently in order to pick up activity. Suggesting that the likes of a DJ must make posts simply because they work for the site is poppycock.

I'm not staff and I don't post. Not because I have a separate forum to talk with people, it's just because I don't have any interest in replying to any of the threads posted. I don't think that all these staff that aren't posting are... scared... to post, I just think they they have no interest in doing so.

[The Don]

Surely you realise staff don't feel comfortable posting in spam. Ask yourself why that is :rolleyes:

Because staff haven't made the effort to mingle with people outside of their comfort zones. This is reinforced by the segregation made by the staff spam threads.

[Red]

That isn't true Tom. I was made to feel that way as soon as I joined the forum. My friend Dan made a few threads and he was basically attacked and then left as a consequence. He would of been a really active member. This wasn't years ago, it was months. Whether its jest or not, it HAS stopped people from feeling comfortable to post in spam.

[FlyingJesus]

Yes I remember your friends, as I mentioned before they were extremely rude and made no attempt to befriend anyone here. Ironically it's the fact that they were actually acting in the way that you keep suggesting current members do that caused the reaction which sent them on their way

[The Don]

I also find it ridiculous that staff members are being bribed with the promise of VIP to participate in the community, as a representative of Habbox, that should be their responsibility in the first place. It’s like at school when the teachers reward the naughty kids for behaving themselves whilst the good kids get overlooked. If staff members don’t want to participate/communicate with other members of this community, they shouldn’t work for Habbox. (Unless their role is not community based)

[Catchy]

I also find it ridiculous that staff members are being bribed with the promise of VIP to participate in the community, as a representative of Habbox, that should be their responsibility in the first place. It’s like at school when the teachers reward the naughty kids for behaving themselves whilst the good kids get overlooked. If staff members don’t want to participate/communicate with other members of this community, they shouldn’t work for Habbox. (Unless their role is not community based)

Yeah I see what you're saying like I said it isn't exactly hard to participate a little bit, some of the staff members have no participation or input what so ever which I find a little odd seeing as they're supposed to be a part of Habbox. Surely all staff members want to help with the growth of Habbox to try and improve it as a whole!

[Neversoft]

So hang on, are staff actually afraid to post in spam? I have to say, I find that rather humourous. It's a forum got goodness sake, not a battlefield. When was staff spam even introduced, because I don't remember it when I was staff back in the days of Tony Blair (so old). Why is there even a staff spam forum? I'm sure this has been said before, but there's nothing wrong with a bit of emphasis - it's against the very meaning of community and just creates a divide, which ironically is what most of the staff seem to be complaining about as they talk about members of the spam forum as if they were rabid dogs and a different kind of people to everyone else. Who even is a 'member of spam' these days? The whole forum is way past its peak and no one sticks to one area anymore. If you're going to be victimised, then it's going to happen regardless of whether you post in spam or not.

[GirlNextDoor15]

The staff are just lazy so, shut the staff spam. End of talk

[Grig]

Let me just say, when we hired staff back at news in 2010, I made sure they were active members on the forum and posting. That was a criteria and actually encouraged over a time period.

Staff spam, was fantastic back then, but that's because people in our department were actually pretty active around the forum. Now it's just lost its purpose. Bigger departments like radio don't even need spam because the bonding purpose that people claim within it has fully disappeared. I cannot for one name or know any of the new DJs apart from the ones who are oldies. Some staff there don't even participate in spam and just sign on to check threads and whatnot.

As for all other departments, you can remove it. I would have fought on your side Bethie to do so. Spam wasn't here years ago, and the departments were much more well bonded and staff actually posted outside the forum. Over the years it became such an institution that some staff members thought that nothing exists out of the staff forums. That is a very wrong message. If you are a good manager you would know other ways to bond the department outside spam.

I'm not saying it will work, and for some departments may be a loss at first, but there is no harm testing it. There is no "us and you" bureaucratic values that should be installed, instead, we should work to be one, with staff providing for the community and vice versa.

[xxMATTGxx]

I have read through the posts from last night/early this morning - I have decided to close all of the staff spam threads in each department forum. I'll call this a "Trial Period" for the time being to see how it goes and to see what happens - there is no date of them returning and no one knows if or when they would return. This is just a small part of the puzzle to encourage staff members to post in the public forums. So other plans and ideas also needs to be put into place to encoruage further and not just by closing their spam threads.

I also agree that if they are member of Habbox Staff then they should also be a member of the community which requires them to post around the forum.

[Richie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTlqBYuShAU


Na but seriously I agree if they're community staff they should make more of an effort around the forums

[Andii]

heya,

i haven't written a feedback thread in a long time but i've been thinking of doing this all week and then receiving a warning about general forum conduct last night makes me really feel the need to post this.

i think moderation on the forum at the moment is in overkill mode, really + truly. it's hard enough as it is on here at the moment to get a conversation about ANYTHING going because of poor activity. so a suggestion is oh shut the staff spam, well every other manager and his dog are against that so you have to deal with it basically.

it feels like every other post that i see has been edited in some form or another. just complete and utter overkill.

also: i don't understand the avoiding the filter when the word use is not in the filter. that's not exactly avoiding the filter is it, that's the filter not picking up on my word.



yea i agree lol i got warned for avoiding the filter for the way i type in my slang lol the way im brought up i learn words and its how we talk to each other over here but then since hxf like doesn't pick up on words you get warned :( its not fair tbh lol

[Oleh]

I also find it ridiculous that staff members are being bribed with the promise of VIP to participate in the community.

I haven't been bribed with VIP :( I must not be liked enough.

The closure of mod spam might increase moderator activity.

[Chris]

I also find it ridiculous that staff members are being bribed with the promise of VIP to participate in the community

Don't know where you heard that, but it isn't true. :P

[David]

Don't know where you heard that, but it isn't true. :P



Some departments have schemes and make sure they post around the forum, other departments don't and yes they offer out VIP and reputation points but not to everyone.

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=741736&p=7470706&highlight=#post7470706

[Chris]

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=741736&p=7470706&highlight=#post7470706

Oh right. Mods get rep for hitting posting targets but we have never been given vip, and I dont think we should be anyway.

[Mathew]

So on one hand we think staff members should be encouraged to post around the forum, but on the other we think it's ridiculous that staff members are given extra incentives.

Which is it gonna be guys?

[Catchy]

Can't we just let it go now? It's getting boring and tedious...

[Samantha]

So on one hand we think staff members should be encouraged to post around the forum, but on the other we think it's ridiculous that staff members are given extra incentives.

Which is it gonna be guys?

Only one way to find out.....

Nah I don't think VIP is the way forward, RV staff only get VIP for doing the most reports in the month and being staff of the month I think that's an incentive in itself if I'm honest. Not sure what others do though.

[Kasabian]

Only one way to find out.....

Nah I don't think VIP is the way forward, RV staff only get VIP for doing the most reports in the month and being staff of the month I think that's an incentive in itself if I'm honest. Not sure what others do though.

That's more than we get ;)!

[Mathew]

Can't we just let it go now? It's getting boring and tedious...

Come on Jake, we're posting aren't we...? :P

[Catchy]

Come on Jake, we're posting aren't we...? :P

Lmao I post anyway, I rly aint bothered anyway because I post in spam occasionally and around the forum and I never rly posted in competitions spam cause no1 else did

[GommeInc]

So on one hand we think staff members should be encouraged to post around the forum, but on the other we think it's ridiculous that staff members are given extra incentives.

Which is it gonna be guys?
It can be both, they shouldn't need incentives to talk to the community they serve. If they need incentives and to be forced to actively contribute then, well, there's a perfectly good admin control panel that can remove job permissions. Habbox shouldn't be hiring people with no drive or passion to work with and in an online community, nor should they be hiring people who do not want to integrate. It's an online community, and should be treated like one.

[Mathew]

It can be both, they shouldn't need incentives to talk to the community they serve. If they need incentives and to be forced to actively contribute then, well, there's a perfectly good admin control panel that can remove job permissions. Habbox shouldn't be hiring people with no drive or passion to work with and in an online community, nor should they be hiring people who do not want to integrate. It's an online community, and should be treated like one.
They're fair points, but I do think it's a far too idealised view of Habbox. It would be great if everyone made 100 posts a day, but it's simply not going to happen - no matter how many things you take away or disagree with. If someone is willing to host 50 events a month, they're already dedicating 50 hours of their time to the site and I do think that's worthy of credit. Yes the forum is important, but it's not the be-all and end-all. People will post if they want to.

[Richie]

I personally think rewarding staff for putting in that extra effort is great new add-on. Not because I'm staff and I want VIP but because it gives everyone a target to work towards. At the end of the day this is a habbo fansite, the staff use their own furniture for prizes and have been for years. Now this point system is not only a nice way for habbox management to give back but a good way to keep everyone active. I don't give two ***** about VIP because I'm VIP till 2013 anyway. Besides, earning VIP isn't an easy task, a lot is involved and if one does get VIP they totally deserve it as they put a lot of effort in.

Removing the spam threads is a good thing but trying to suck staff of everything really isn't going to help the site. People ***** and moan (including myself) but if the site was to shut down tomorrow you'd think back and feel bad for the amount of **** you gave staff members when really they were just enriching your experience, offering a free service and their time but for what? To be told THEY CAN HAVE THIS THAT AND THE OTHER. The forum may allow a lot of input by their members but someone saying its not right is absurd. It's not right that someone is giving so much but receiving nothing in return.

[FlyingJesus]

Oh right. Mods get rep for hitting posting targets but we have never been given vip, and I dont think we should be anyway.

You get rewarded for talking to the community that you chose to represent and be a part of? Wow. Rewards for doing your job well I can understand and wholly agree with, but this is a whole different matter


So on one hand we think staff members should be encouraged to post around the forum, but on the other we think it's ridiculous that staff members are given extra incentives.

Which is it gonna be guys?

The two are not at all mutually exclusive :S if any comms staff seriously cannot integrate with the community without being paid in some way to do so then they obviously do not care enough to really be worthy of their position. I appreciate that many spend a lot of time doing their work on Habbo itself, but if they really like the Habbox community as opposed to just liking the prestige of being in charge of a popular event then they surely would have no problem with being an active poster


I personally think rewarding staff for putting in that extra effort is great new add-on. Not because I'm staff and I want VIP but because it gives everyone a target to work towards. At the end of the day this is a habbo fansite, the staff use their own furniture for prizes and have been for years. Now this point system is not only a nice way for habbox management to give back but a good way to keep everyone active. I don't give two ***** about VIP because I'm VIP till 2013 anyway. Besides, earning VIP isn't an easy task, a lot is involved and if one does get VIP they totally deserve it as they put a lot of effort in.

Removing the spam threads is a good thing but trying to suck staff of everything really isn't going to help the site. People ***** and moan (including myself) but if the site was to shut down tomorrow you'd think back and feel bad for the amount of **** you gave staff members when really they were just enriching your experience, offering a free service and their time but for what? To be told THEY CAN HAVE THIS THAT AND THE OTHER. The forum may allow a lot of input by their members but someone saying its not right is absurd. It's not right that someone is giving so much but receiving nothing in return.

I don't think anyone disagrees that staff should be rewarded for doing their job well, it's the apparent necessity for rewards that have nothing to do with the job in order to make them act like the rest of us that makes some of them seem massively aloof and inflated

[GommeInc]

Removing the spam threads is a good thing but trying to suck staff of everything really isn't going to help the site. People ***** and moan (including myself) but if the site was to shut down tomorrow you'd think back and feel bad for the amount of **** you gave staff members when really they were just enriching your experience, offering a free service and their time but for what? To be told THEY CAN HAVE THIS THAT AND THE OTHER. The forum may allow a lot of input by their members but someone saying its not right is absurd. It's not right that someone is giving so much but receiving nothing in return.
I think IF the site did close down tomorrow I wouldn't feel bad for the amount of stick I gave staff members. I don't know who they are for starters, so to feel bad for not knowing them is a bit difficult when they refuse to integrate and only want to be rewarded for it. The only rewards they need are the ones you listed, the ones where they do their job well or beyond the call of duty - getting rewards for communicating with members they choose to work for isn't worthy of a reward because that should be the bare minimum of the job, considering this is a Habbo Fansite. Besides, IF Habbox did close down tomorrow it would probably be the fault of a broken community brought on by such needless discussions.

[The Don]

I personally think rewarding staff for putting in that extra effort is great new add-on. Not because I'm staff and I want VIP but because it gives everyone a target to work towards. At the end of the day this is a habbo fansite, the staff use their own furniture for prizes and have been for years. Now this point system is not only a nice way for habbox management to give back but a good way to keep everyone active. I don't give two ***** about VIP because I'm VIP till 2013 anyway. Besides, earning VIP isn't an easy task, a lot is involved and if one does get VIP they totally deserve it as they put a lot of effort in.

Removing the spam threads is a good thing but trying to suck staff of everything really isn't going to help the site. People ***** and moan (including myself) but if the site was to shut down tomorrow you'd think back and feel bad for the amount of **** you gave staff members when really they were just enriching your experience, offering a free service and their time but for what? To be told THEY CAN HAVE THIS THAT AND THE OTHER. The forum may allow a lot of input by their members but someone saying its not right is absurd. It's not right that someone is giving so much but receiving nothing in return.

and there I was thinking we already had staff of the month as an incentive...

[GommeInc]

On a side note:

No one is discussing their competence and the amount of work they do - they after all work voluntarily. It would be nice if they did the bare requirements for social websites like Habbox and make themselves known by integrating with the community they serve. Habbos.co.uk was pretty good at this and will always be my #1 fansite, purely because they were so heavily involved and showed they enjoyed what they were doing. Habbox did this for a while, but it all went down hill very quickly :P

[Richie]

I think IF the site did close down tomorrow I wouldn't feel bad for the amount of stick I gave staff members. I don't know who they are for starters, so to feel bad for not knowing them is a bit difficult when they refuse to integrate and only want to be rewarded for it. The only rewards they need are the ones you listed, the ones where they do their job well or beyond the call of duty - getting rewards for communicating with members they choose to work for isn't worthy of a reward because that should be the bare minimum of the job, considering this is a Habbo Fansite. Besides, IF Habbox did close down tomorrow it would probably be the fault of a broken community brought on by such needless discussions.

Maybe that's the way you would feel but I'm speaking from my perspective, your not one to constantly moan over small things (Like myself and others) and just give out for the sake of it (Which I don't mean to do I just like things my way). When I have a problem I'll try to point out a way to fix it but I'm stubborn so it's normally my way or the high way.


and there I was thinking we already had staff of the month as an incentive...

Thats a good point, perhaps instead of getting VIP they should receive points instead. That way they can use the points to claim some credits or VIP. The point scheme is a far better way to keep people active. I personally would feel more of an achievement winning the point scheme as it actually points out 'You got this amount of points because you did this, this and this'. Maybe others feel differently but when I won staff of the month in the past it was kinda just like meh vip.


EDIT:
I was told that staff don't actually get vip from staff of the month, just the praise.

[Samantha]

Yet it depends. If they are Habbox Staff Of the Month then VIP isn't given. However, some managers like myself and others do a department staff of the month which has some incentive of VIP.

[xxMATTGxx]

I think giving awards such as VIP or even points is ideal for staff members. It does encourage them and helps to keep them motivated and it's always nice to reward them when they are spending a vast amount of time on the fansite.


I was told that staff don't actually get vip from staff of the month, just the praise.

Some departments do SOTM which do award VIP to the staff members but their is a main SOTM which names the staff members for that month and praises them. I think it might be a good idea to start getting something like what HabboxLive are currently doing with a points system across all departments though.

[Richie]

Some departments do SOTM which do award VIP to the staff members but their is a main SOTM which names the staff members for that month and praises them. I think it might be a good idea to start getting something like what HabboxLive are currently doing with a points system across all departments though.


Yeah man I totally agree. You could think of some other prizes to give out like rep points or even small things like advertising someones room on the main website. I think the point system could also be a great new add-on for regular members, they could earn points by advertising and getting involved. Obviously don't big up the prizes otherwise it would fail.


p.s my Yet isn't working again

[Kasabian]

Kasabian Yet xxMATTGxx

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[MissAlice]

I have an idea; you may all think its rubbish. Who better to judge staff than the members themselves?

Maybe it’s time that members (non staff) selected a staff member of the month or quarter. The Members Recognition Award, or a similar title, given for outstanding contribution or similar. This could be run monthly or quarterly. Bronze, silver and gold.

Who would select the recipients? Members of the Month perhaps?

[David]

I have an idea; you may all think its rubbish. Who better to judge staff than the members themselves?

Maybe it’s time that members (non staff) selected a staff member of the month or quarter. The Members Recognition Award, or a similar title, given for outstanding contribution or similar. This could be run monthly or quarterly. Bronze, silver and gold.

Who would select the recipients? Members of the Month perhaps?

in theory it's a nice idea, but this could end up biased voting. also staff in departments like graphics and content don't get recognition for what work they do individually to the public, only respective management would see. (if that makes sense?)

[Samantha]

Rare Values already do a points system so it would be nice to see it expand to other departments too.

Also I agree with dave. for once you won't really know who has done the work in graphics, content, rare values etc.

[Richie]

I have an idea; you may all think its rubbish. Who better to judge staff than the members themselves?

Maybe it’s time that members (non staff) selected a staff member of the month or quarter. The Members Recognition Award, or a similar title, given for outstanding contribution or similar. This could be run monthly or quarterly. Bronze, silver and gold.

Who would select the recipients? Members of the Month perhaps?

Hmm knowing habbox it would just become a popularity contest

[Andii]

I have an idea; you may all think its rubbish. Who better to judge staff than the members themselves?

Maybe it’s time that members (non staff) selected a staff member of the month or quarter. The Members Recognition Award, or a similar title, given for outstanding contribution or similar. This could be run monthly or quarterly. Bronze, silver and gold.

Who would select the recipients? Members of the Month perhaps?

thats true always wondered this lol :D but yea it would maybe turn into popularity or something but still it would be nice to have some of the members thoughts aswell :)

[beth]

we do have member of the month which i think works well. and the newcomer thing works particularly well, many time i've seen people getting 100 just for the vip hahahaha.

[Lee]

we do have member of the month which i think works well. and the newcomer thing works particularly well, many time i've seen people getting 100 just for the vip hahahaha.

Yes but we (The moderation department) select the members and newcomers - it would be nice for an external award.

There is nothing stopping anybody reading this from holding a poll in the public forums with a list of staff members (or just open nominations) then allow everybody else to vote. If your going to do it properly and maturely then it may well pick up...

[Grig]

Yeh, also remember those who get 100s of posts won't necessary get the award. I value quality much more than quantity. Although I hope that how it works, I haven't investigated it.

[MissAlice]

The newcomer award was my idea ;)

I can see it might be difficult to acknowledge the value of work carried out by certain members of staff, and I sympathize that it would most likely be unfair for them, unless of course Management put some input. I prefer not to be negative with this idea as I think there is always a solution, so will continue to think a bit more about it.

In the meantime perhaps a reward for most threads or most posts by staff could be initiated? This could also be applied to members. Selected categories of the forum.

I will keep my thinking hat on :)

[Stephen]

plz no voting for staff or whatever things

last time we had a voting thing it got cancelled cos some girls were asking for votes 24/7 and i told them off

:naughty:

[jasey]

The newcomer award was my idea ;)

Thank you for coming up with that! It was such an honour to be chosen as the recipient of February's NOTM! A Valentine treat!

[beth]

think over the last week or so it's all chillaxed a bit. it was an especially nice gesture to let us have a nice reminisce in spam yesterday, fanx ya.

[Catchy]

The newcomer award was my idea ;)

I can see it might be difficult to acknowledge the value of work carried out by certain members of staff, and I sympathize that it would most likely be unfair for them, unless of course Management put some input. I prefer not to be negative with this idea as I think there is always a solution, so will continue to think a bit more about it.

In the meantime perhaps a reward for most threads or most posts by staff could be initiated? This could also be applied to members. Selected categories of the forum.

I will keep my thinking hat on :)


I love your posts Alice such a joy to read because they're always so cute and positive :) I think we have a reward system for people who actively post in certain areas, isn't that what member of the month is? I really do like the whole idea of member of the month and I'm glad Habbox has it because it encourages people to post and also post good posts, not just pointless posts. I much prefer quality over quantity too.

I dunno though, maybe we could come up with a new reward system try and spice it up a bit to encourage more activity?

[Recursion]

For once I have nothing to say about the moderation team, they're doing a good job. A+++++++++++++++ would use the forum again.

[Robbie]

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=742429&p=7476713#post7476713

can't believe this was removed

[Lee]

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=742429&p=7476713#post7476713

can't believe this was removed

Robbie, their was persistent use of a serious racist word in that video which was deemed unacceptable to watch by the moderator. I agree with his decision how relevant it may be it's just not appropriate.

[Robbie]

Robbie, their was persistent use of a serious racist word in that video which was deemed unacceptable to watch by the moderator. I agree with his decision how relevant it may be it's just not appropriate.

so? the whole thread is ABOUT that word. if theres no video theres no thread..

"oh hey guys, there's this police officer being racially abusive, but i can't link the video."

surely the fact that it's not appropriate is a good thing really? bringing attention to the issue because it's so shocking..

[Stephen]

get over it

[Chris]

so? the whole thread is ABOUT that word. if theres no video theres no thread..

"oh hey guys, there's this police officer being racially abusive, but i can't link the video."

surely the fact that it's not appropriate is a good thing really? bringing attention to the issue because it's so shocking..

It doesn't matter what the thread is about, the rules don't change for one subject.

[beth]

I did see something last night I thought was a bit overkill @jurv posted a thread about wrestle mania but it got merged was there really any need? could there not have been a thriving wrestlemania thread since its such a big event?

[Lee]

I did see something last night I thought was a bit overkill @jurv posted a thread about wrestle mania but it got merged was there really any need? could there not have been a thriving wrestlemania thread since its such a big event?

At the end of the day, wrestlemania holds loads of events (sure this is the biggie) but its still WWE and that's what the threads for, if we start making other threads then the stickie becomes pointless.

[beth]

but that's like saying we have a football thread so when the world cup comes, put it in there.

[Lee]

but that's like saying we have a football thread so when the world cup comes, put it in there.

No it isn't, because a football thread doesn't exist.

[beth]

... it was an example. any other big sporting event wouldn't be merged into a thread about "results or rumours" just didn't think it was necessary, wasn't causing any problems or harm.

[Stephen]

I agree about the football example. It's like everything else. If there was an american football thread, a superbowl thread wouldn't get merged etc

You're just making the sports forum look less active

[GommeInc]

Robbie, their was persistent use of a serious racist word in that video which was deemed unacceptable to watch by the moderator. I agree with his decision how relevant it may be it's just not appropriate.
Well duh, that's why the police officer is in trouble - for being racist towards someone. It was completely relevant to the news article and appeared in main stream media. Over-moderation, again :/

EDIT: What's amusing is that the thread is now completely pointless. Removing the video has created more posts about why it was removed than what the thread is about. And they tell members off for making threads go off topic :P

[Lee]

Well duh, that's why the police officer is in trouble - for being racist towards someone. It was completely relevant to the news article and appeared in main stream media. Over-moderation, again :/

EDIT: What's amusing is that the thread is now completely pointless. Removing the video has created more posts about why it was removed than what the thread is about. And they tell members off for making threads go off topic :P

I really don't see what's hard to understand. There was inappropriate content in the video, and so it was removed. The thread has not in any way drifted of topic and the last few posts have not even mentioned the video. I will say no more on the matter.

[David]

I really don't see what's hard to understand. There was inappropriate content in the video, and so it was removed. The thread has not in any way drifted of topic and the last few posts have not even mentioned the video. I will say no more on the matter.

I beg to differ.
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=742429&p=7479219#post7479219

[Lee]

I beg to differ.
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=742429&p=7479219#post7479219

In the past six posts there was one reference to the video, and that was by you.

[GommeInc]

I really don't see what's hard to understand. There was inappropriate content in the video, and so it was removed. The thread has not in any way drifted of topic and the last few posts have not even mentioned the video. I will say no more on the matter.
Delude yourself then, I am seeing a lot of posts just wittering on about it being removed. The video was the reason for the thread, and without it there is no evidence. It's no more inappropriate than that Chinese Girl being run over. But as you said - you will say no more on the matter for you're just a forum moderator - a robot void of forming an appropriate response other than "It's in the rules" ;)


In the past six posts there was one reference to the video, and that was by you.
The last 6 out of 20+ posts? Oh dear... You're trying to weave evidence out of thin air.

[Chris]

Guys what on earth is making you think that racist content is acceptable to be posted on the forum? It is never allowed and just because its relevant to the news that does not mean its an exception. The video was not included in the original post and discussion about the news was happening before the video was posted, so that proves the video isn't needed for a discussion to continue.

[GommeInc]

Guys what on earth is making you think that racist content is acceptable to be posted on the forum? It is never allowed and just because its relevant to the news that does not mean its an exception. The video was not included in the original post and discussion about the news was happening before the video was posted, so that proves the video isn't needed for a discussion to continue.
Depends on context, a word that very few seem to understand. It wasn't even "on the forum", you have to press play and, as permitted, read a warning before watching, which would of sufficed - again, something people seem to overlook. The original post was uninteresting and flaccid as far as reporting goes, real reporting goes straight to the source to create more interesting discussions.

[Grig]

Guys what on earth is making you think that racist content is acceptable to be posted on the forum? It is never allowed and just because its relevant to the news that does not mean its an exception. The video was not included in the original post and discussion about the news was happening before the video was posted, so that proves the video isn't needed for a discussion to continue.

That's because most people saw the video externally anyway and everyone talking about it would have seen the video, thus defeating the point of the removal. But of course bureaucracy here is everything, so I won't argue :P.

[GommeInc]

That's because most people saw the video externally anyway and everyone talking about it would have seen the video, thus defeating the point of the removal. But of course bureaucracy here is everything, so I won't argue :P.
Ooo, I think I have found a new best friend and 100% agree :P

[Robbie]

every time i come back to a feedback thread, everything i want to say has already been said by GommeInc

EVERY TIME.

[Chris]

Depends on context, a word that very few seem to understand. It wasn't even "on the forum", you have to press play and, as permitted, read a warning before watching, which would of sufficed - again, something people seem to overlook. The original post was uninteresting and flaccid as far as reporting goes, real reporting goes straight to the source to create more interesting discussions.

It doesn't matter if theres 50 odd warnings before the video, the fact is the video contained racist content and habbox doesn't approve of that content being posted on the forum.


That's because most people saw the video externally anyway and everyone talking about it would have seen the video, thus defeating the point of the removal. But of course bureaucracy here is everything, so I won't argue :P.

Oh thats okay then, everyones seen it already so why should we bother removing it!

It doesn't work like that. If you want to watch it via an external source and discuss it after in the thread then that is fine, but the content will not be provided on the forum.

[Jordan]

The only problem I see with the video is that it contained the c word, which in any circumstances is not acceptable. I don't see a big issue with it being racist or offensive but either way it's removed because it is inappropriate.

[beth]

my problem is at the moment (with some of the moderation team, not all, jordan is very good at this infact) is there seems to be no intuition within the role. what happened to mod discretion?

it seems like everything is so set to the rules that like, idk, no-one uses their head and thinks actually for the vitality of this thread and whatever perhaps we can overlook the word (as long as there is a warning) as it is vital to the news story and is not aimed at anyone in the forum, and forum members will UNDERSTAND it is part of a news story and not a random offensive term. i dunno how to word it better perhaps someone clever like Grig; or GommeInc; could do it.

[Inseriousity.]

Imo moderation should always be about intent. If you are intending to be offensive it should be removed. If someone found it offensive and complained about it but the intent wasnt there then it should perhaps be removed in that case as well. As the intent was not to be offensive but actually to ridicule the one with those racist bigoted views and it was in the context of a current affairs post thread that is open for debate and discussion about issues including racism (lol a thread not about UKIP and the EU, we should be grateful :P) then it should be left open for debate (and hopefully no-one would agree with him cos yeah he's a moron but that's a different matter altogether!).

[Lee]

Imo moderation should always be about intent. If you are intending to be offensive it should be removed. If someone found it offensive and complained about it but the intent wasnt there then it should perhaps be removed in that case as well. As the intent was not to be offensive but actually to ridicule the one with those racist bigoted views and it was in the context of a current affairs post thread that is open for debate and discussion about issues including racism (lol a thread not about UKIP and the EU, we should be grateful :P) then it should be left open for debate (and hopefully no-one would agree with him cos yeah he's a moron but that's a different matter altogether!).

Im sorry but I must disagree with you there because this is a Habbo fansite aimed at the younger member than say a regular teen discussion board so we have to be careful with the content we make available to the audience as some members here are quite young. It wouldn't be right to expose them to the sort of content in that video IMO.

[Zelda]

Indeed rediculously over moderated, get over it its a bloody word, only rude because its been used repeatedly for that use. Just put it under one of those box thingies warning u, and consideing it gave warnings before playing, :L alsoeveryones seen it Ye so, not like its going to hurt anyone's feelings or cause any problems, in the end, if you're hurt by such a video then what are you doing on the internet in the first,place where much more hurtful things exist then that left right and centre.

I can understand where moderation is coming from, but especially with lee the roboticness is rediculous, if anything contains the slightest possible minorly hurtful thing to even no one on forum, or just one rude word it gets removed, as bethie said where is mod discretion?

---------- Post added 02-04-2012 at 09:11 PM ----------


Im sorry but I must disagree with you there because this is a Habbo fansite aimed at the younger member than say a regular teen discussion board so we have to be careful with the content we make available to the audience as some members here are quite young. It wouldn't be right to expose them to the sort of content in that video IMO.

Ye but we can just put a warning on it surely? Also vid has warnings itself :L

[Jordan]

Im sorry but I must disagree with you there because this is a Habbo fansite aimed at the younger member than say a regular teen discussion board so we have to be careful with the content we make available to the audience as some members here are quite young. It wouldn't be right to expose them to the sort of content in that video IMO.

Now the way I see it is this. the c word is not allowed completely so straight away it's not being allowed on the forum, the way ****** is being used in the thread to have an actual discussion on the topic, nothing silly. On BBC News, they filter out the c word completely but leave ****** as n*****.

But I have now found out it might be against the Fansite Way soooo.

[Chris]

Im sorry but I must disagree with you there because this is a Habbo fansite aimed at the younger member than say a regular teen discussion board so we have to be careful with the content we make available to the audience as some members here are quite young. It wouldn't be right to expose them to the sort of content in that video IMO.

I agree completely! Some people are forgetting this is a habbo fansite and not a general teen board.

Content like that video would never be condoned by habbo, therefore making it accessible on this forum goes against the fansite rules.

[xxMATTGxx]

We aren't allowed to do the following:


• Publish material that may be offensive such as racist and sexual content

Since the video is material that would be considered as racist then it's not something we would really want to be posted on the forum. I know in the past the BBC have apologised for people who have said the n'word on radios and so on, in regards of what you was mentioning Jordan.

[GommeInc]

Oh thats okay then, everyones seen it already so why should we bother removing it!

It doesn't work like that. If you want to watch it via an external source and discuss it after in the thread then that is fine, but the content will not be provided on the forum.
What's the point when Habbox seems against promoting active, relative discussions in the first place? It was relevant, and a suitable warning will suffice. You're protecting users from a self-induced danger when no-one will particularly care, especially when it shows misjustice in action from those who are meant to serve and protect their citizens. An interesting discussion which seems hindered.


Imo moderation should always be about intent. If you are intending to be offensive it should be removed. If someone found it offensive and complained about it but the intent wasnt there then it should perhaps be removed in that case as well. As the intent was not to be offensive but actually to ridicule the one with those racist bigoted views and it was in the context of a current affairs post thread that is open for debate and discussion about issues including racism (lol a thread not about UKIP and the EU, we should be grateful :P) then it should be left open for debate (and hopefully no-one would agree with him cos yeah he's a moron but that's a different matter altogether!).
Agreed. Nice to see the Community understaind his community.


• Publish material that may be offensive such as racist and sexual content
That rule is a terrible rule to quote. Maybe offensive to... what? who? in general? The chinse girl was pretty offensive to any human with a soul. It isn't being used to cause offense to a user, it's being used to back up and support a discussion in the forum. As long as adequate warnings are placed then that should be enough, unless people really want to be offended and go seeking it (and therefore need immediate help to sort out their obvious mental issues).

[Jordan]

We aren't allowed to do the following:



Since the video is material that would be considered as racist then it's not something we would really want to be posted on the forum. I know in the past the BBC have apologised for people who have said the n'word on radios and so on, in regards of what you was mentioning Jordan.

Yeah I know and the BBC put the video in a warning saying it could upset others, but Habbo have control over this one really and maybe we should contact them to see if anything could be done to relax this rule? It's an clear problem on this site (not sure on others).

[GommeInc]

Yeah I know and the BBC put the video in a warning saying it could upset others, but Habbo have control over this one really and maybe we should contact them to see if anything could be done to relax this rule? It's an clear problem on this site (not sure on others).
Or you could just ignore them? Like others and I have suggested, all you need to do is put warnings around the video. If Habbo are so against important and interesting discussions like this, then it's best to ignore them. Be the better site, even though it's not hard to be better than Habbo - I hear an infinite number of Habbo moderators and staff can type out a works of Shakespeare, though the mess they make in the process isn't pleasant ;)

[Stephen]

Surely when habbo say about racial content they don't mean news articles or videos

[beth]

is racist content not content that serves to OFFEND someone? this is to inform and educate, and if people are getting offended they're not understanding how "news" reporting works.

[xxMATTGxx]

If the material is there to educate users and was reporting news but contained this language then it would need to be added with warnings. If the material was posted and the main cause of it being posted was to insult or offend a user then it should be removed. But the video would of been also removed due to the c word being used multiple times by the looks of it so that's the other issue as you wouldn't want it removed regardless of which rule it broke.

[Grig]

A few things:

1. The situation here is like you commenting say on a PAPOY thread with just a mere description of hair and mouth, not knowing anything else and not being able to see the image. Obviously, you cannot make an effective comment without the video. Of course, here the case scenario is without the swearing :P.

2. It's much more productive and educating than counterproductive and offensive. Sure, if you must, censor the 'c' word, but there is not another single word that needs censoring in that video. Some moderators here were simply viewing it from a subjective perspective that has been drilled into their heads, rather plain common sense!

3. Some forums have even removed their filters from many swear words ages ago, and Habbo hasn't said a word. Habbo itself has removed their filter on most words. You need to stop skewing up an image of Habbo as totalitarian dictators, who would censor everything like some sort of autocratic state machine. I'm sure they wouldn't mind.

We are not saying allow swearing or abolish the filter. In contrast, I actually agree with the filter most of the time. We are simply saying use common sense, because quite frankly as echoed numerous times it's not directed at anyone, and is creating some beneficial hot debate and discussion to the forum, which I'm sure you will agree, the forum really needs. It's actions like these that can put some people off from posting here all together in the long-run and thus not beneficial at all.

[Stephen]

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=742904&p=7482106#post7482106

WHY ARE WE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE A JOKE IN NON-SPAM THREADS

i already contributed to the thread, I'm not gonna copy everything from my previous post just so that post isn't pointless and it wasn't even harming the thread anyway

SOZ THIS IS NOT A SPAM THREAD, ATTEMPTS AT ANY WITTY JOKES IS A BANNABLE OFFENCE

[David]

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=742904&p=7482131#post7482131

removed pls.

also what is this? ; There are many other threads around the forum to help you in the posting competition and to help discussion grow!

assuming that i posted an image for post count is ridiculous.

[Jordan]

i already contributed to the thread, I'm not gonna copy everything from my previous post just so that post isn't pointless and it wasn't even harming the thread anyway

Don't post at all then if you know that your post will end up being classed as pointless. Your post was pointless, there was no need for the comment made even if it was a laugh? Just because I contributed to the thread at an earlier stage doesn't mean I can then come back to it and make stupid comments and hope they are okay.

[Stephen]

someone fell out of the wrong side of the bread this morning

[Chris]

someone fell out of the wrong side of the bread this morning

No, Jordan is completely right. Your comment "why do you put fresh orange juice on your face" was clearly a joke and was un-needed. Dave's post just added to it which was also un-needed.

[Stephen]

i didn't ask for your opinion

[buttons]

No, Jordan is completely right. Your comment "why do you put fresh orange juice on your face" was clearly a joke and was un-needed. Dave's post just added to it which was also un-needed.
do any of u listen to what anyone has said in this thread or are u just going to keep your crap 'pointless posting' rule (yet make a competition which encourages it)
so u can infract/warn everyone?
not even going to review it

[Chris]

do any of u listen to what anyone has said in this thread or are u just going to keep your crap 'pointless posting' rule (yet make a competition which encourages it)
so u can infract/warn everyone?
not even going to review it

Not my choice, you'll have to speak to Scott about it.

[beth]

do any of u listen to what anyone has said in this thread or are u just going to keep your crap 'pointless posting' rule (yet make a competition which encourages it)
so u can infract/warn everyone?
not even going to review it


Not my choice, you'll have to speak to Scott about it.

i'm personally pretty pissed at the fact that a few of us before this posting comp who posted regularly without the incentive received these soft pointless post warnings and yet today i've seen such utter crap being posted but it's being encouraged. what how do this make sense.

[Lee]

i'm personally pretty pissed at the fact that a few of us before this posting comp who posted regularly without the incentive received these soft pointless post warnings and yet today i've seen such utter crap being posted but it's being encouraged. what how do this make sense.

We're trying our best to enforce the rule as normal but it's hard for us to trawl through each post when they're being posted. Don't worry there have been plenty of pointless posts warnings issues already.

[GommeInc]

We're trying our best to enforce the rule as normal but it's hard for us to trawl through each post when they're being posted. Don't worry there have been plenty of pointless posts warnings issues already.
Are they actually pointless posts or what Habbox have as a definition for pointless posting? The two are completely different, like buttering bricks and building a house out of toast.

[beth]

do we still have an absence of moderation overnight? the threads that are currently being created as constructive discussion are beyond laughable.

[jasey]

Not my choice, you'll have to speak to Scott about it.

The final choice isn't yours, Chris, but you are one of the ones who helps influence the final decision. Don't play off your responsibilities - if it was all up to scott then he would be on the forums all day long checking each thread himself and there would be no need for moderators. He is the manager, you are the staff and we are the customers. You are in the middle and it is 'your choice' to get the concerns back to the higher-ups who make final rulings. You clearly have an opinion that is on fire about this issue judging by your posts throughout the thread so perhaps you should put the debate to use and help Scott work the end result out.

[GirlNextDoor15]

No, Jordan is completely right. Your comment "why do you put fresh orange juice on your face" was clearly a joke and was un-needed. Dave's post just added to it which was also un-needed.

IT'S NOT A POINTLESS POST! IT CAN BE VIEWED AS A QUESTION OUT OF CURIOSITY TO SOMEONE WHO FINDS PUTTING FRESH ORANGE JUICE ON HIS FACE WILL KEEP THEM AWAKE! IT IS ALL RELATED TO THE THREAD AND YET, YOU SAID IT'S POINTLESS? HOW COULD IT BE? DO YOU JUDGE POSTS BASED ON WHO POSTED IT INSTEAD OF WHAT IT ACTUALLY MEANS? WELL, I RECKON IT WON'T BE CONSIDERED AS POINTLESS IF A STAFF POSTED IT THEN. IT'S SO BIASED! SAME GOES TO THIS POST! http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=742904 WHY IS IT POINTLESS? CHAIRMAN MAO IS FAMOUS FOR HIS INSOMNIA PROBLEMS AND I'M JUST MAKING A POINT OF WHAT INSOMNIA IS WITHOUT LENGTHY EXPLANATIONS LIKE THE ABOVE POSTS! I DON'T EXPECT EVERYONE TO KNOW WHO CHAIRMAN MAO IS BUT AT LEAST, USE YOUR COMMON SENSE TO KNOW THAT I'M POSTING FOR A REASON!

OH AND THERE WAS NO POINTLESS COMMENTS AFTER MY POST. SO WHY IS IT POINTLESS???!

[Jordan]

IT'S NOT A POINTLESS POST! IT CAN BE VIEWED AS A QUESTION OUT OF CURIOSITY TO SOMEONE WHO FINDS PUTTING FRESH ORANGE JUICE ON HIS FACE WILL KEEP THEM AWAKE! IT IS ALL RELATED TO THE THREAD AND YET, YOU SAID IT'S POINTLESS? HOW COULD IT BE? DO YOU JUDGE POSTS BASED ON WHO POSTED IT INSTEAD OF WHAT IT ACTUALLY MEANS? WELL, I RECKON IT WON'T BE CONSIDERED AS POINTLESS IF A STAFF POSTED IT THEN. IT'S SO BIASED! SAME GOES TO THIS POST! http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=742904 WHY IS IT POINTLESS? CHAIRMAN MAO IS FAMOUS FOR HIS INSOMNIA PROBLEMS AND I'M JUST MAKING A POINT OF WHAT INSOMNIA IS WITHOUT LENGTHY EXPLANATIONS LIKE THE ABOVE POSTS! I DON'T EXPECT EVERYONE TO KNOW WHO CHAIRMAN MAO IS BUT AT LEAST, USE YOUR COMMON SENSE TO KNOW THAT I'M POSTING FOR A REASON!

OH AND THERE WAS NO POINTLESS COMMENTS AFTER MY POST. SO WHY IS IT POINTLESS???!

Can I ask one question first? Why are you throwing crap at Chris for something he actually hasn't done. I edited Stephens post, I explained my reasons, he has clearly accepted it and moved on. I don't like how you are saying we judge our actions on the person? If anyone wrote what Stephen wrote I would of edited it no matter what. His post did not positively contribute to the thread topic, therefore it broke the rules. This has always been the case, and always will unless we get told differently. In regards to your post, can you explain to me how your comment actually helps the thread starter with the question he gave you? Because I can't see how it helps. Naming someone who has insomnia and then just leaving the thread isn't really needed in a thread that wants advice. If you think differently I ask that you PM scott; and brandon; and not scream in a feedback thread.

[Grig]

do we still have an absence of moderation overnight? the threads that are currently being created as constructive discussion are beyond laughable.

I brought this point up a few months ago in some thread I think. But think management were like it's just bad luck, can't force international people to apply.

Sure, you can't force them, BUT you may consider opening moderator applications solely for those outside the UK. I think this will be a very smart move and can make the forum run more smoothly and even more active is timezones outside the UK aren't ignored.
scott; brandon;

[Jordan]

do we still have an absence of moderation overnight? the threads that are currently being created as constructive discussion are beyond laughable.

There aren't really any mods on from about 2-7, I know brandon is on sometime during that though. Normally there isn't much activity on during the night so not a lot happens in regard to rule breaks and a spambot here and there. Grig; I don't think we need to open apps just for people outside GMT because of the reasons above, not a lot happens and surely it would get boring for them?

[Stephen]

nonono

i havent accepted it and moved on, I've just moved on cos you can't win against mods nowadays

Pointless = dsajfdagshdjas or LOLLLLLLL or THIS IS A POINTLESS POST

my post wasn't pointless

[GirlNextDoor15]

Can I ask one question first? Why are you throwing crap at Chris for something he actually hasn't done. I edited Stephens post, I explained my reasons, he has clearly accepted it and moved on. I don't like how you are saying we judge our actions on the person? If anyone wrote what Stephen wrote I would of edited it no matter what. His post did not positively contribute to the thread topic, therefore it broke the rules. This has always been the case, and always will unless we get told differently. In regards to your post, can you explain to me how your comment actually helps the thread starter with the question he gave you? Because I can't see how it helps. Naming someone who has insomnia and then just leaving the thread isn't really needed in a thread that wants advice. If you think differently I ask that you PM @scott (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=52752); and @brandon (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=3638); and not scream in a feedback thread.

ffs that was you who are clearly trying to better yourself. It wasn't pointless and so, why do we have to accept what a MOD said? And how do you know it's not going to contribute positively? He wasn't posting rubbish but I agree the followed comment was. It was meant to be a positive post if you MODs aren't taking it to another level. I know she was asking for advice but she obviously has this misconception about insomnia and all I'm saying is no, it's not insomnia. FGS. It's a discussion! Don't expect us all to give them straight answers and hence, keeping our mouth shut just in case some biased MOD come and tell us off! And I get that a lot. I guess that's how some MOD handles feedback. How professional..

[Grig]

There aren't really any mods on from about 2-7, I know brandon is on sometime during that though. Normally there isn't much activity on during the night so not a lot happens in regard to rule breaks and a spambot here and there. Grig; I don't think we need to open apps just for people outside GMT because of the reasons above, not a lot happens and surely it would get boring for them?

I think it's still a good idea. Having an attitude saying "oh we're mostly UK so let's not bother". I think you can get people from outside the UK in if you have some staff presence in terms of moderation overnight :). Plus ideally you want the forum to be monitored as much as possible. Those are just my opinions though, so we can agree to disagree.

[GirlNextDoor15]

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=743137&p=7482909#post7482909

I'm not targeting any members. Just an example of what is happening. As you can see, there are clearly two posts on the same page made by the thread starter. The time difference was just 3 freakin minutes and her favorite airlines etc. could be posted together when she starts the thread. Isn't it obvious that she's doing it for the post count? I'm not saying anything negative but this is one of the many problems the posting competition invites. She's not the first one who's been doing the same thing. I've noticed this in other threads as well. The tactics used to increase post count while our genuine posts which were made for a discussion are called pointless, I can definitely see where this goes!

Threads merged by Jordan (Forum Super Moderator): As they talk about the same topic

[Grig]

You're being too picky there. You shouldn't moan here. He added the info he didn't in his initial post and I'm sure wasn't on purpose.

Judging on your previous few posts in feedback today, you were not only being rude, but picky too.

[Chris]

The final choice isn't yours, Chris, but you are one of the ones who helps influence the final decision. Don't play off your responsibilities - if it was all up to scott then he would be on the forums all day long checking each thread himself and there would be no need for moderators. He is the manager, you are the staff and we are the customers. You are in the middle and it is 'your choice' to get the concerns back to the higher-ups who make final rulings. You clearly have an opinion that is on fire about this issue judging by your posts throughout the thread so perhaps you should put the debate to use and help Scott work the end result out.

Believe me I've raised it with Scott already and that is as much as I can do! I've asked him to consider changes etc but we have heard nothing on the situation since. It's beyond my control now, sorry.


IT'S NOT A POINTLESS POST! IT CAN BE VIEWED AS A QUESTION OUT OF CURIOSITY TO SOMEONE WHO FINDS PUTTING FRESH ORANGE JUICE ON HIS FACE WILL KEEP THEM AWAKE! IT IS ALL RELATED TO THE THREAD AND YET, YOU SAID IT'S POINTLESS? HOW COULD IT BE? DO YOU JUDGE POSTS BASED ON WHO POSTED IT INSTEAD OF WHAT IT ACTUALLY MEANS? WELL, I RECKON IT WON'T BE CONSIDERED AS POINTLESS IF A STAFF POSTED IT THEN. IT'S SO BIASED! SAME GOES TO THIS POST! http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=742904 WHY IS IT POINTLESS? CHAIRMAN MAO IS FAMOUS FOR HIS INSOMNIA PROBLEMS AND I'M JUST MAKING A POINT OF WHAT INSOMNIA IS WITHOUT LENGTHY EXPLANATIONS LIKE THE ABOVE POSTS! I DON'T EXPECT EVERYONE TO KNOW WHO CHAIRMAN MAO IS BUT AT LEAST, USE YOUR COMMON SENSE TO KNOW THAT I'M POSTING FOR A REASON!

OH AND THERE WAS NO POINTLESS COMMENTS AFTER MY POST. SO WHY IS IT POINTLESS???!

I'll consider reading this when you learn to speak to me properly.

[Stephen]

There aren't really any mods on from about 2-7, I know brandon is on sometime during that though. Normally there isn't much activity on during the night so not a lot happens in regard to rule breaks and a spambot here and there. @Grig (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=8106); I don't think we need to open apps just for people outside GMT because of the reasons above, not a lot happens and surely it would get boring for them?

awkward moment when you post that after tubgirl got spammed across the forum the othernight

[Jordan]

awkward moment when you post that after tubgirl got spammed across the forum the othernight

How many times does that happen stephen? You know it is not a regular thing. I'm not against the idea of having some international mods, I can just see them being empty handed every now and again. Besides they wouldn't be able to remove contentlike that if it wasn't in their forum?

[Charlie]

I agree you're being picky. They were adding their favourites, if they posted them and then posted different ones 3 minutes later I'd agree with you but they were simply adding theirs. I feel people are picking on all everything that could be seen as a bit pointless and calling whoever out on it when it isn't even that bad.

[scott]

The pointless posting rule is something that myself, Brandon and Matt will be discussing changes too as I feel it is a lot more picky compared ito the rest of the rules which are much more relaxed. I fully agree that sometimes posts aren't 'pointless' as such but still get edited, this isn't the moderators fault as they are following the current rule. Hopefully we will have a change to this rule within the next day or 2 which will benefit both the members and the moderation department!

[xxMATTGxx]

Unless the member has been doing it in every thread they have created then you may have a point. But it looks like it's a one off thing and that would just be too dam picky to tell the user off for it.

[Matthew]

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=743137&p=7482909#post7482909

I'm not targeting any members. Just an example of what is happening. As you can see, there are clearly two posts on the same page made by the thread starter. The time difference was just 3 freakin minutes and her favorite airlines etc. could be posted together when she starts the thread. Isn't it obvious that she's doing it for the post count? I'm not saying anything negative but this is one of the many problems the posting competition invites. She's not the first one who's been doing the same thing. I've noticed this in other threads as well. The tactics used to increase post count while our genuine posts which were made for a discussion are called pointless, I can definitely see where this goes!

I don't see how you feel you can complain, you have been posting in 'what are you listening to' every few minutes for the past 2 days?

[GirlNextDoor15]

That's the point I'm proving here. You guys think it's picky, huh? We'll see how the MODs define 'picky' then. This tactic only appears after the posting competition has started but the posts made before that were pointless? Then, why not merge those two posts together to become one? It's that unfair!

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You're being too picky there. You shouldn't moan here. He added the info he didn't in his initial post and I'm sure wasn't on purpose.

Judging on your previous few posts in feedback today, you were not only being rude, but picky too.

wth are you talking about here? who's the 'he'?


I feel people are picking on all everything that could be seen as a bit pointless and calling whoever out on it when it isn't even that bad.

If the MODs can do that, then why can't I, right?

[Inseriousity.]

People adding their own opinion to the thread later on rather than the OP isn't exactly a new thing. Perhaps it is because of the posting competition, perhaps it was just a genuine mistake. Either way, vampirism is right. Someone gets edited for pointless posting, they/their friends say 'if that's pointless, what bout this one' then we just end up in some silly cycle of finger pointing and complaining and moderators feeling like ****. It is clear that the pointless posting rule needs addressing. I do not think in the midst of a posting competition is the best time to do that. Rules need to be adjusted at a time of normality not when factors, such as competitions, are inflating problems.

[beth]

I don't mind things like this being ignored if threads such as 'do you prefer books with or without pictures' are being dealt with. I mean what come on:

[Stephen]

lol @ the book thread wtf

[GirlNextDoor15]

What book thread? Where?
k i see it now lol.

[Showder]

Ok pal, I know that "member" who posted twice was me. sorry, but this is not my plan to increase post count.

[Matthew]

That book thread is just stupid. I'm not trying to target the user but have seen how many meaningless threads or posts that person has posted in the past two days?

[Catchy]

I'm sorry but GirlNextDoor15; why do you actually care so much? Surely it's not affecting you that much... If it is I suggest you seek professional help.

[buttons]

His post did not positively contribute to the thread topic, therefore it broke the rules. This has always been the case, and always will unless we get told differently. In regards to your post, can you explain to me how your comment actually helps the thread starter with the question he gave you? Because I can't see how it helps. Naming someone who has insomnia and then just leaving the thread isn't really needed in a thread that wants advice. If you think differently I ask that you PM @scott (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=52752); and @brandon (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=3638); and not scream in a feedback thread.
why is it a problem if it doesn't positively contribute to a thread? WHY is it only spam where we're allowed to post off-topic and actually converse with each other? you keep restricting us from making witty comments which DO contribute to threads, you restrict us from interacting with each other. all we can do in every thread outside of spam is pretty much post in a robotic fashion, you answer the thread and that's all you can do because everything else is considered pointlessly posting. again, i've never been warned for pointlessly posting until yesterday because usually i don't reply to someone who has quoted me and instead i POINTLESSLY rep or end up commenting on their profile because i know if i quote them with a reply then i'll be warned. it's much more logical to reply there and then.

it's doing absolutely no harm at all to post a witty comment, it rarely takes the thread in to a completely different direction and hardly anyone has a full blown off topic conversation in threads with a specific topic. you guys never answer that, why is it so bad? why don't you use your brain to see whether or not the comment is going to disrupt the thread instead of editing harmless, funny posts that bring a little character to a thread that is otherwise serious and boring.


ffs that was you who are clearly trying to better yourself. It wasn't pointless and so, why do we have to accept what a MOD said? And how do you know it's not going to contribute positively? He wasn't posting rubbish but I agree the followed comment was. It was meant to be a positive post if you MODs aren't taking it to another level. I know she was asking for advice but she obviously has this misconception about insomnia and all I'm saying is no, it's not insomnia. FGS. It's a discussion! Don't expect us all to give them straight answers and hence, keeping our mouth shut just in case some biased MOD come and tell us off! And I get that a lot. I guess that's how some MOD handles feedback. How professional..
i'm gonna be honest with you, i reported that post. the only reason i reported it was because stephen's was the only post that was edited and yours wasn't even though it LOOKED what they'd call pointless to me. i did it to prove a point. they were clearly editing it because it was stephen's and he has a history of 'pointless posting'. + i was right. they only edited your post not because it was pointless but because it was reported. mods have always been that way tbh, they edit something because someone tells them too.

I'll consider reading this when you learn to speak to me properly.
you're a super moderator. your job is to read and reply to everyone so i don't see where your attitude comes from. the only person that would get away with that back in the day was probably nvrspk cause well, it's nvrspk. funny how you're always the first to reply to threads rule breaking then when asked to actually do something it's ~out of your control~

[Mathew]

IT'S NOT A POINTLESS POST! IT CAN BE VIEWED AS A QUESTION OUT OF CURIOSITY TO SOMEONE WHO FINDS PUTTING FRESH ORANGE JUICE ON HIS FACE WILL KEEP THEM AWAKE! IT IS ALL RELATED TO THE THREAD AND YET, YOU SAID IT'S POINTLESS? HOW COULD IT BE? DO YOU JUDGE POSTS BASED ON WHO POSTED IT INSTEAD OF WHAT IT ACTUALLY MEANS? WELL, I RECKON IT WON'T BE CONSIDERED AS POINTLESS IF A STAFF POSTED IT THEN. IT'S SO BIASED! SAME GOES TO THIS POST! http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=742904 WHY IS IT POINTLESS? CHAIRMAN MAO IS FAMOUS FOR HIS INSOMNIA PROBLEMS AND I'M JUST MAKING A POINT OF WHAT INSOMNIA IS WITHOUT LENGTHY EXPLANATIONS LIKE THE ABOVE POSTS! I DON'T EXPECT EVERYONE TO KNOW WHO CHAIRMAN MAO IS BUT AT LEAST, USE YOUR COMMON SENSE TO KNOW THAT I'M POSTING FOR A REASON!

OH AND THERE WAS NO POINTLESS COMMENTS AFTER MY POST. SO WHY IS IT POINTLESS???!

Edited by SyrupyMonkey (Assistant General Manager): Please do not post pointlessly, try to contribute to the thread.

[beth]

please don't pointless post Mathew;

right so considering mods have been replying to this thread etc i know yr online: DO YOU LIKE YR BOOKS WIV OR WIVOUT PICZ LOLOLOL is still in anime/books, so is this an acceptable example of a thread?

[David]

please don't pointless post Mathew;

right so considering mods have been replying to this thread etc i know yr online: DO YOU LIKE YR BOOKS WIV OR WIVOUT PICZ LOLOLOL is still in anime/books, so is this an acceptable example of a thread?

i dont think he got the memo about managers growing up and not pointless posting

[beth]

i dont think he got the memo about managers growing up and not pointless posting

i do miss that fine hotel using fella.

no but seriously: that book thread it's still open and people are legit posting. like come the **** on, who has a preference. you don't walk into a library and go NO SORRY I CANNOT STAND BY THIS BOOK IT HAS NO PICTURES.

[GirlNextDoor15]

Oh is that what a staff will tell someone who posts feedback in order to improve the forum? What a good example of how ignorant some staff can be :P

[Catchy]

Oh is that what a staff will tell someone who posts feedback in order to improve the forum? What a good example of how ignorant some staff can be :P

No but you're making a mountain out of a mole hill, clearly the user didn't post twice intentionally he went back and added something which is 100% fine. I'm not being ignorant what so ever.

[GirlNextDoor15]

No but you're making a mountain out of a mole hill, clearly the user didn't post twice intentionally he went back and added something which is 100% fine. I'm not being ignorant what so ever.

*SHE
Who knows what your 'professional help' means. That at least proves that you're too immature. It's like saying 'i suggest you to gth if it affects you that much'.
Oopsie.. offensiveee.. oh no wait. the mods won't edit it cause you're a staff.. ahhh i see