Anders Breivik Trial

[Ed.]

Anders Breivik is on trial in Oslo for the murder of 77 people last July in Norway as he planted a car bomb and went on a shooting spree.

He said to the court that he "acknowledged" the acts but doesn't accept criminal responsibility.

The thing I found most shocking is he claims that it was in self-defence.

It's gotta be decided if he is sane or not and also, he claims to be part of a secret movement "The Knight's Templar" but no evidence has been found to agree.

Thoughts?

[Jazz]

I think hes a nasty little git, he showed no emotion in that court and started off with a 'nazi style' salute. its disgusting

[Cheryl]

He is sane. He should be trialed accordingly - i.e life without parole.

[Ed.]

He is sane. He should be trialed accordingly - i.e life without parole.

I think the initial thoughts were that he wasn't but he went to testing which found him to be sane which shocked many people.

[Cheryl]

I think the initial thoughts were that he wasn't but he went to testing which found him to be sane which shocked many people.

that's indeed what I heard. The first testing wasn't correct - they didn't want him to seem like a 'normal' Norwegian citizen and the insane argument gave a kind of excuse for that.

[Ed.]

I think that Norway is just shocked that one of their own has done something like this.

[Rozi]

You guys should watch the documentary that was on the beeb last night about it, it was really really good.

It definitely made the case that he was sane. I personally agree that he is sane, or the diagnosis firstly given to him was incorrect. He was primarily diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenic which I disagree with, as he fits into none of the categories except for "bizarre delusions", which I personal don't believe he has. He has very very weird ideas but they're not delusionsm they are simply fears and a very different ideology.

[buttons]

I think hes a nasty little git, he showed no emotion in that court and started off with a 'nazi style' salute. its disgusting
i think he actually did the black power salute :S
me and @The Don (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=9475); were debating about whether he really is sane. i was thinking he is and that it's just his beliefs that he's been conditioned to think you know like suicide bombers but i'm not sure. i think anyone that kills so much people and knows what the consequences will be MUST be insane/not all there as he really hasn't achieved anything? i dunno much about the topic but was there any reason he targeted those exact people/areas? :S also like you said he said it was self-defense which quite clearly it wasn't and no-one with half a brain cell would try to persuade otherwise?

[dbgtz]

To be frank wheter he is sane or not shouldn't matter in this case, if his outbursts cause massacre to that extent then he should not be walking the streets freely.

[Rozi]

i think he actually did the black power salute :S
me and @The Don (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=9475); were debating about whether he really is sane. i was thinking he is and that it's just his beliefs that he's been conditioned to think you know like suicide bombers but i'm not sure. i think anyone that kills so much people and knows what the consequences will be MUST be insane/not all there as he really hasn't achieved anything? i dunno much about the topic but was there any reason he targeted those exact people/areas? :S also like you said he said it was self-defense which quite clearly it wasn't and no-one with half a brain cell would try to persuade otherwise?

He targetted the island and the government building because they were related to the ruling party of Norway who supports multiculturalism. Breivik believes that in under 20 years islam will have taken over all of Europe so is obviously opposed to multiculturalism. He targetted the island because it was a summer camp for young supporters of said political party.

He says it's self-defence because he was protecting himself from the future of the islamic invasion. He believes he has started the war between Europe and Islam as a whole.

[dbgtz]

He targetted the island and the government building because they were related to the ruling party of Norway who supports multiculturalism. Breivik believes that in under 20 years islam will have taken over all of Europe so is obviously opposed to multiculturalism. He targetted the island because it was a summer camp for young supporters of said political party.

He says it's self-defence because he was protecting himself from the future of the islamic invasion. He believes he has started the war between Europe and Islam as a whole.

If he was smart it what he was doing, he probably could have. Good thing all the extremists are ******s.

[Jazz]

i think he actually did the black power salute :S
me and @The Don (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=9475); were debating about whether he really is sane. i was thinking he is and that it's just his beliefs that he's been conditioned to think you know like suicide bombers but i'm not sure. i think anyone that kills so much people and knows what the consequences will be MUST be insane/not all there as he really hasn't achieved anything? i dunno much about the topic but was there any reason he targeted those exact people/areas? :S also like you said he said it was self-defense which quite clearly it wasn't and no-one with half a brain cell would try to persuade otherwise?

idk i just said what the reported on the news :-P

[Inseriousity.]

We don't call islam terrorists insane, we don't call hitler insane and we shouldn't call brevik insane either. He merely has radical views that took him on a murderous campaign that killed many innocent people and should be locked up accordingly.

[luce]

He is sane. He should be trialed accordingly - i.e life without parole.

Norway still carries the death penalty so I think that is ahead of life without parole in many peoples minds. I remember where i was when it happened, couldn't believe it then and still find it hard now.

[Cheryl]

Norway still carries the death penalty so I think that is ahead of life without parole in many peoples minds. I remember where i was when it happened, couldn't believe it then and still find it hard now.

Ah, I wasn't aware of that, in that case this should be implimented.

[GirlNextDoor15]

Does someone actually have to be insane in order to kill people? I don't think jihadists are insane but they still carry on what they were told to do. It's pure hatred and Islamophobia imo.

[-:Undertaker:-]

He ought to be hung, if found guilty of course.

[Lee]

If he's found guilty I agree he should face the consequences anybody else would face.

[GommeInc]

What I find shocking is that those who examined him call him "sane". What definition of "sanity" are they using? He clearly is insane. There's no way he acted on a reasonable, rational manner and is in no way "normal". Just because he understands what he did and why he did it does not meet the definition of sanity. It wasn't reasonable behaviour at all, and by calling him sane they make it seem as though he acted like any normal, reasonable member of society :/

[Jordy]

Norway still carries the death penalty so I think that is ahead of life without parole in many peoples minds. I remember where i was when it happened, couldn't believe it then and still find it hard now.Last person executed in Norway during peacetime was 1876, so I think it's fair to say they well and truly abolished the death penalty a long time ago.

I don't really see how it matters whether he's sane or not, he should be punished and put in prison for life either way. Whether he goes in a normal prison or a mental hospital it doesn't matter. I just hope the court case is over quickly as there's no doubt to whether he did it, it'd be an injustice to the families to have it go on for months.

[Jssy]

We were talking about him in R.E today, when we were revising capital punishment etc. We were talking about how someone who's killed one person and knows they might get the death penalty or a life sentence for it could kill lots of people like he did, because they can only get killed once or live one life in jail.

I definitely think he should be punished accordingly.

[GommeInc]

I don't really see how it matters whether he's sane or not, he should be punished and put in prison for life either way. Whether he goes in a normal prison or a mental hospital it doesn't matter. I just hope the court case is over quickly as there's no doubt to whether he did it, it'd be an injustice to the families to have it go on for months.
Indeed, the time wasted on trivialities disregard the fact he admits to doing it, there is clear evidence he did it and the pain and suffering caused by his hands. He won't be killed for what he did as you rightly pointed out - Norway has not executed anyone for years - but what needs to be focused on is the punishment. It's amazing how much time has been spent by the Norwegian Courts on listening to a man who has already told the World what he has done and that the evidence is there, when they could just convict him and ask all these things later.

[Jordy]

Indeed, the time wasted on trivialities disregard the fact he admits to doing it, there is clear evidence he did it and the pain and suffering caused by his hands. He won't be killed for what he did as you rightly pointed out - Norway has not executed anyone for years - but what needs to be focused on is the punishment. It's amazing how much time has been spent by the Norwegian Courts on listening to a man who has already told the World what he has done and that the evidence is there, when they could just convict him and ask all these things later.It makes me wonder whether having the court sessions dragged out and televised across the world will encourage others too like it possibly encouraged him (although he did assume he would die). I don't think these people should be given a platform, it's certainly not a human right. He should of course be entitled to defend himself like he would in this country with a gallery and all but writing a speech about his beliefs and doing something of a performance is just wrong in my eyes. I've little doubt he will have ended up influencing some far right across the world and no doubt some in Norway (some parties have seen big membership increases).