Dear Lads

[Richie]

Can we please abolish the usernote system. If not, is there anyway to delete usernotes over time? I want to show my lethal skills to the moderation department but they won't take me serious with my 91 usernotes. The majority of my usernotes were unfair anyway, I did explain my cat ran across my keyboard several times and it coincidently came out as a rude comment.




Cheers,
Rich.

[sex]

btw can someone explain is it

pm >usernote>warning
or else like usernote > warning

[Samantha]

What are usernotes? Are they those when you get an infraction or something? Didn't they get cleaned out or am I getting the wrong end of the stick?

[Richie]

What are usernotes? Are they those when you get an infraction or something? Didn't they get cleaned out or am I getting the wrong end of the stick?


I'm pretty sure infractions get removed over time but usernotes remain :(

[GoldenMerc]

Richie least you have more of a chance than me, im over 100 :(

[Inseriousity.]

They're there as a record but I highly doubt any manager would take them at face value anyway and will make decisions based on current behaviour and attitude rather than from a usernote you got 5 years ago :P

[Samantha]

Can you see your own usernotes or can only admins, gms etc see?

[David]

1 usernote for every time a mod has to contact you
they dont go away :(

jordan has given me 200+

[Jordan]

The system is when you break a rule you get a PM and the PM content is then copied into a usernote and is on your profile for other moderators to view. So that say you broke the rule again within 2 months then they can see that and advance to a warning/infraction.

Infractions and warnings are removed over time but it isn't often that they are removed. Last one wasn't long ago was it?

I don't think usernotes need to be deleted from your account because we only base our actions against you via the usernotes within the 2 month period.

[sex]

serious, i could have sworn a couple of years ago it was polite pm > usernote > warning > infraction
when did it change to usernote right away?

[Richie]

They're there as a record but I highly doubt any manager would take them at face value anyway and will make decisions based on current behaviour and attitude rather than from a usernote you got 5 years ago :P

My activity and behaviour has been great but someone who didn't know how to change their signature got chosen over me. I think it might be because I am not gay :( not happy Michael.

[Samantha]

The system is when you break a rule you get a PM and the PM content is then copied into a usernote and is on your profile for other moderators to view. So that say you broke the rule again within 2 months then they can see that and advance to a warning/infraction.

Infractions and warnings are removed over time but it isn't often that they are removed. Last one wasn't long ago was it?

I don't think usernotes need to be deleted from your account because we only base our actions against you via the usernotes within the 2 month period.

Oh so they're before an infraction? I got two straight infractions probably why I wasn't aware :P. Be sure to put the positive PMs and VMs I get from you lot down Lee; :love:

[Jordan]

serious, i could have sworn a couple of years ago it was polite pm > usernote > warning > infraction
when did it change to usernote right away?

Been like that for a while now, deffo over 1.5 years.

[Samantha]

serious, i could have sworn a couple of years ago it was polite pm > usernote > warning > infraction
when did it change to usernote right away?

I never got that? I got two straight infractions. One was 0 point, another was 1 I believe.

[xxMATTGxx]

Usernotes aren't a punishment. It's just a way of the PM you get sent to be seen by other moderators and admins.


I never got that? I got two straight infractions. One was 0 point, another was 1 I believe.

Depends on what you have done to be fair. If you got one that was 0 points then that must have been some sort of joke as there is no infraction with 0, unless we are talking ages ago.

[Inseriousity.]

I doubt it was because you're not gay (although you're not fooling anyone here sorry). Chris loves Martin.

There are all sorts of reasons why managers don't hire people. I would be surprised if it was because of your usernotes.

[sex]

since we are on the topic of usernotes, why dont moderators reply to pm's you sent trying to show you didn't actually break a rule Lee; :(

[the.games]

serious, i could have sworn a couple of years ago it was polite pm > usernote > warning > infraction
when did it change to usernote right away?

A usernote is kinda the same as a PM, it just shows that we've contacted you and it stops mods from PMing someone twice or issuing unfair infractions :)

I think usernotes dont really need to be deleted though, because usernotes can be good as well as bad, and it's literally just like a record of when a mod has PM'd you.

I really hope that makes sense, because Im not sure it does. :P

Oh and on your second bit, sometimes usernotes are removed/edited if a smod or admin thinks that they have been unfairly issued

[Richie]

Well lads if Chris Moyles applied to habboxlive and if the manager rejected him for someone with no microphone, questions would be asked ;). I am the Chris Moyles of the forum :P.

[xxMATTGxx]

To the people who have asked about user notes expiring: Sadly this isn't built into vBulletin by default. I also don't think there is a plugin for this but I'll ask as it may end up being a custom thing. No promises on it though...

It would be a lot of admin work if it was done manually. But ones from years ago should not harm anyone's chances of becoming a member of the moderator department.


Well lads if Chris Moyles applied to habboxlive and if the manager rejected him for someone with no microphone, questions would be asked ;). I am the Chris Moyles of the forum :P.

We would hire him straight away since he is leaving the BBC! ;)

[Richie]

To the people who have asked about user notes expiring: Sadly this isn't built into vBulletin by default. I also don't think there is a plugin for this but I'll ask as it may end up being a custom thing. No promises on it though...

It would be a lot of admin work if it was done manually. But ones from years ago should not harm anyone's chances of becoming a member of the moderator department.



We would hire him straight away since he is leaving the BBC! ;)


Looks like I'm going to have to join Hffm as forum staff then leave for unknown reasons to secure my position at habbox ;)

[GoldenMerc]

It'd be hard to code something like that xxMATTGxx;

[xxMATTGxx]

It'd be hard to code something like that xxMATTGxx;

Probably Mr Ross

[GoldenMerc]

BUT I HAVE A SOLUTION, LET ME LOOK INTO IT FURTHER THERE MAY BE SOMETHING WE CAN DO HX GUYS WHO CANT BECOME MODS.
Silly garner;
http://icap.me/i/qqmZJy279y.png

Ok I guess its something alike to this:
http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=146396&highlight=usernotes xxMATTGxx;
I so should be admin at this place.

[xxMATTGxx]

BUT I HAVE A SOLUTION, LET ME LOOK INTO IT FURTHER THERE MAY BE SOMETHING WE CAN DO HX GUYS WHO CANT BECOME MODS.
Silly garner;
http://icap.me/i/qqmZJy279y.png

Ok I guess its something alike to this:
http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=146396&highlight=usernotes xxMATTGxx;
I so should be admin at this place.

Well ok next time I won't bother asking on that forum and just say no for the sake of saying no. In terms of your link that doesn't mention deleting usersnotes after a set period of time and that's for a previous vB version so doesn't exactly help.

[GoldenMerc]

Well ok next time I won't bother asking on that forum and just say no for the sake of saying no. In terms of your link that doesn't mention deleting usersnotes after a set period of time and that's for a previous vB :P

But it tells you dates, etc :)
Which is far better than the current / stock.
Its for 3.6 js. there isnt any updates. Maybe try test it on a test forum see if the templates are suitable for 4.x

[xxMATTGxx]

But it tells you dates, etc :)
Which is far better than the current / stock.
Its for 3.6 js. there isnt any updates. Maybe try test it on a test forum see if the templates are suitable for 4.x

What do we need dates for? It already has dates and times :P

[GoldenMerc]

What do we need dates for? It already has dates and times :P

Oh does it? Haven't seen / played with usernotes for months / years... :P
My mistake i shall resign from this convo

[Chris]

If you have a lot of recent usernotes, warnings or infractions then that is taken into consideration when you apply to become a moderator. Old usernotes won't affect your chances unless it's something very serious.

[Stephen]

Have I got over 500 yet

[Lee]

Have I got over 500 yet

Not even close.

[mrwoooooooo]

the day richie becomes a forum mod is the day hxf dies.

[Stephen]

someone tell me how many usernotes i got plz

[Matthew]

someone tell me how many usernotes i got plz

too many ;)

[HotelUser]

Can we please abolish the usernote system. If not, is there anyway to delete usernotes over time? I want to show my lethal skills to the moderation department but they won't take me serious with my 91 usernotes. The majority of my usernotes were unfair anyway, I did explain my cat ran across my keyboard several times and it coincidently came out as a rude comment.




Cheers,
Rich.

I do not think the usernote system should be abolished, especially considering how useful it is for moderators to utilize when they need to deal with a user and don't know anything about the behavioural history of that user. If they were abolished imagine how disorganized moderators would be, especially new moderators, who are trying to learn the ropes and trying to understand precedent in circumstances and how to handle different situations.

If you have 91 usernotes then those 91 usernotes should be, in my opinion, considered when you go through the approval process to become a moderator. When Garion, Oli and I all applied to the moderator department and were accepted we all had usernotes because we all had a history of bad behaviour on the forum (and after we got the gig some of us even deleted our own usernote history (not me!)). When we all applied I'm sure our usernotes were considered, but a good Forum Manager knows the members on the forum, and will be able to determine if you've matured since receiving those usernotes enough to become a member of the moderation team.

Additionally, you might have 91 usernotes but if half of those were from 3 years ago and only 3 of them were from very recently then most likely the only usernotes of yours that will be taken very seriously will be those recent 3.

[Jarkie]

I kinda agree with this; I wish we could see our own notes and post a comment within that note so the mod/admin looking can see two sides of the story. 'Cos in the end of the day its always based on the moderators thoughts.. so if you do something that offended him/her but not others then BOOM warning etc.

Can we request on how many we got and the reasons/dates?

[Jordan]

I kinda agree with this; I wish we could see our own notes and post a comment within that note so the mod/admin looking can see to sights of the story. 'Cos in the end of the day its always based on the moderators thoughts.. so if you do something that offended him/her but not others then BOOM warning etc.

You don't need to see your user notes because they are exactly the same as the PM you receive. If your disagree with something the you reply to the PM. Moderators dont edit something if they think it's rude to someone unless it is damn obvious. We either leave it, pm the user it's aimed at for their view or wait for the post to be reported.

Why do people still think that :S

[Kyle]

You don't need to see your user notes because they are exactly the same as the PM you receive. If your disagree with something the you reply to the PM. Moderators dont edit something if they think it's rude to someone unless it is damn obvious. We either leave it, pm the user it's aimed at for their view or wait for the post to be reported.

Why do people still think that :S
It's not just offensive comments that are removed though. I remember having a rather lengthy pm discussion with chris when he decided to remove about six of my posts (which, for the most part, didn't break the rules!) in their entirety and close a thread. The thread eventually was reopened and some of my posts were added back. Would have been easier if I could have just seen the usernote and discussed it there. Don't really see the harm in allowing us to see our own usernotes just like we can see past rep we receive.

[Andii]

I'm pretty sure infractions get removed over time but usernotes remain :(


lol they do. even though most times you get infractions for the stupidest things ever -.-

[HotelUser]

It's not just offensive comments that are removed though. I remember having a rather lengthy pm discussion with chris when he decided to remove about six of my posts (which, for the most part, didn't break the rules!) in their entirety and close a thread. The thread eventually was reopened and some of my posts were added back. Would have been easier if I could have just seen the usernote and discussed it there. Don't really see the harm in allowing us to see our own usernotes just like we can see past rep we receive.


I kinda agree with this; I wish we could see our own notes and post a comment within that note so the mod/admin looking can see two sides of the story. 'Cos in the end of the day its always based on the moderators thoughts.. so if you do something that offended him/her but not others then BOOM warning etc.

Can we request on how many we got and the reasons/dates?

Allowing users to see their own user notes is impractical. It would cause many arguments and nobody would want to be a forum moderator anymore because they would cause 100 arguments a day by simply moderating the forum.

Beaides, you absolutely do not need to see your usernotes in order to appeal moderation decisions to the forum manager or to Matt himself.

[Johnathan]

Allowing users to see their own user notes is impractical. It would cause many arguments and nobody would want to be a forum moderator anymore because they would cause 100 arguments a day by simply moderating the forum.

Beaides, you absolutely do not need to see your usernotes in order to appeal moderation decisions to the forum manager or to Matt himself.

Completely understandable. But now I'm wondering how many user notes I have. LOL

[Recursion]

I don't understand the point of this thread, usernotes are simply a record of your past behavior for moderators/admins and as such have no impact on your "life" on the forum. I have some pretty embarrassing usernotes but honestly, I don't care because they don't impact me in any way.

They're kept so if you end up being banned or some serious rule is broken like racism etc then we have a record of it.

[lawrawrrr]

It wouldn't affect any other job, seeing as only moderators/admins can see usernotes. Moderation jobs have separate guidelines - you're only held accountable for what happened recently, not forever.

I don't understand why people want to be able to see/remove usernotes. It's not like we have a "x usernotes and you're banned" rule, so why does it really matter? If you get multiple infractions you're banned, then they are removed.