My story: Struggling, bullying, suicide, self harm

[DPS]

I was looking on facebook and i saw a page saying R.I.P Amanda Todd so i searched her name and found out she killed herself very recently due to being bullied on the internet after she got her boobs out for people on mac, and then someone tryed to blackmail her.

So im going to share this video, I know people that blackmail girls into doing this stuff and honestly i find it really sick, even more when a young girl only 15 years old kills herself.

http://youtu.be/vOHXGNx-E7E

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[lawrawrrr]

It's a complete overreaction!! Watched the video, just about.... (god I hate them) but yeah. She flashed, it was her choice to do so, and she should have known the possible consequences. Yeah it doesn't happen often to this extent but it's still a POSSIBLITY...

Videos like this glamorize the idea of suicide. Thanks to tumblr, twitter and facebook 'crazes', suicide is becoming the 'cool' thing to do and quite frankly, I find it disgusting. You don't need to hurt yourself just to get a few 'fans' because they will feel sorry for you - it's attention seeking. If you're SERIOUSLY sad or suicidal you don't tell anyone. You just get on with it, and usually hide it. Maybe talk about it later in life, but never make a huge deal out of the fact. Proves my point with the photo at the end - not necessary to post a picture, people know what self harm is. It's like you're setting up a scene, I don't understand why it's so glamorous.

Some of the things she wrote about - none of her friends liking her because SUDDENLY this guy turned up with a topless photo... well I highly doubt that's the truth. With a bit of explaining, I'm sure they'd be fine - even if not, they're hardly good friends if they'll ditch you because of something that happened 2 years ago. They probably ditched her because of the drug/alcohol problems (which I don't blame on her at all, it's an 'easy' way to escape that many many people turn to) and her mental conditions. With the right help she could have got over it the right way. You're GOING to be judged if you get naked on cam, you just need to admit it happened. If the guy was harbouring these photos she should have reported him to the police. Don't know how old he was but it's still technically child pornography so he'd have some sort of consequences coming to him. She never pressed charges on the people who beat her up and were posting those horrible messages - which would have made it easier on her.

It's like she puts a MASSIVE deal on the fact she doesn't have any friends, is it that big a deal? Yeah I felt rubbish when I lost my friends. The crush thing she talks about at 4:30 is ridiculous - everyone is played around by other people, and the way she says 'HE hooked up with ME' is stupid - she didn't have to go round, she didn't have to hook up with him at all. The next scene depicts a pretty much average bullying scenario so it's hardly this massive deal.

Also remember she wrote these. Could be biased, could even be lies. I'm not accusing, I'm just saying I know someone who did a video like this and most of it was exaggerated. The whole thing about the teachers walking past is beyond me - no way teachers do that. They are in loco parentis, which means it's illegal for them to see this and ignore it.

Fair enough she had anxiety and depression issues, if the anti-depressants weren't working and also the counselling, then she needed to say something, not ignore it.

RIP and all, but she could have done so much more about it, to make it better for herself and to combat the issues. Suicide is never the answer.

[Aiden]

Like Laura said she brought it on her self.. I'm not trying to be mean or heartless but if she didnt do that then this would of never happened. I know everyone makes mistakes and RIP but hopefully others will learn from her story.

RIP Anyway. :/

[dbgtz]

Watched it all, do not sympathise in the slightest. Everything which happened was of her own doing, yet she makes it sounds like she was punished by some god. Obviously if she hadn't flashed, nothing would have happened but there's also the fact she slept with some girls boyfriend which of course she would be pissed about, the fact she kept using social networking sites despite constantly being tracked and the fact she never appeared to actually stand up for herself and really, if she had just laughed at the situation and shown no frustration, people would just stop caring.

To be quite honest aswell, not everyone would have just had an instant hate for her over 3 or 4 schools. I therefore believe she was fairly stuck up and judgemental herself, only ever really wanting to be friends with the people who appear to have a higher social status who then would show some amount of intolerance for those who are not part of it. So ultimately, before people knew about what happened she could have easily been the one making people feel how **** she felt (and probably worse).

Expanding further, the video she posted on this issue doesn't really help anybody and seems like a bit of attention seeking. Infact all it would have done (assuming all she said was true) was darken her image further so why would she post it? You could argue it raises awareness, but for what? All she focused on was a few crappy events in her life yet probably never thought about those in far worse situations. I mean, all she did was flash her private areas which every other girl in existence has.

To be frank, this whole situation angers me.

[buttons]

It's a complete overreaction!! Watched the video, just about.... (god I hate them) but yeah. She flashed, it was her choice to do so, and she should have known the possible consequences. Yeah it doesn't happen often to this extent but it's still a POSSIBLITY...

Videos like this glamorize the idea of suicide. Thanks to tumblr, twitter and facebook 'crazes', suicide is becoming the 'cool' thing to do and quite frankly, I find it disgusting. You don't need to hurt yourself just to get a few 'fans' because they will feel sorry for you - it's attention seeking. If you're SERIOUSLY sad or suicidal you don't tell anyone. You just get on with it, and usually hide it. Maybe talk about it later in life, but never make a huge deal out of the fact. Proves my point with the photo at the end - not necessary to post a picture, people know what self harm is. It's like you're setting up a scene, I don't understand why it's so glamorous.

Some of the things she wrote about - none of her friends liking her because SUDDENLY this guy turned up with a topless photo... well I highly doubt that's the truth. With a bit of explaining, I'm sure they'd be fine - even if not, they're hardly good friends if they'll ditch you because of something that happened 2 years ago. They probably ditched her because of the drug/alcohol problems (which I don't blame on her at all, it's an 'easy' way to escape that many many people turn to) and her mental conditions. With the right help she could have got over it the right way. You're GOING to be judged if you get naked on cam, you just need to admit it happened. If the guy was harbouring these photos she should have reported him to the police. Don't know how old he was but it's still technically child pornography so he'd have some sort of consequences coming to him. She never pressed charges on the people who beat her up and were posting those horrible messages - which would have made it easier on her.

It's like she puts a MASSIVE deal on the fact she doesn't have any friends, is it that big a deal? Yeah I felt rubbish when I lost my friends. The crush thing she talks about at 4:30 is ridiculous - everyone is played around by other people, and the way she says 'HE hooked up with ME' is stupid - she didn't have to go round, she didn't have to hook up with him at all. The next scene depicts a pretty much average bullying scenario so it's hardly this massive deal.

Also remember she wrote these. Could be biased, could even be lies. I'm not accusing, I'm just saying I know someone who did a video like this and most of it was exaggerated. The whole thing about the teachers walking past is beyond me - no way teachers do that. They are in loco parentis, which means it's illegal for them to see this and ignore it.

Fair enough she had anxiety and depression issues, if the anti-depressants weren't working and also the counselling, then she needed to say something, not ignore it.

RIP and all, but she could have done so much more about it, to make it better for herself and to combat the issues. Suicide is never the answer.
oh my god shut up, your post makes me so angry lol.
there is no such thing as an OVERREACTION to a death of an innocent PERSON. a human. telling people you're suicidal, self-harming etc can be attention seeking in some cases but in other cases it's a relief! to know you're not alone, to read other people's experiences and help each other through it is better than nothing. i love tumblr for that, i use it to vent. i write about my problems, i write about self-harming but never do i post pictures of it etc but some people do and that's fine if it helps them. better to get relief from posting about it than to pick up a blade and slit your wrists. if i remember correctly, you posted a picture of yourself CRYING on tumblr - so i'd say that's attention seeking and hypocritical too.

why should someone who is suicidal keep it to themselves when all they want is to know they're not alone and have just one person know about it and be there for them? i've had depression 4 years been suicidal for almost 3 and i never told anyone, it would be a shock to most people who know me but now i have somewhere to post about it (ie tumblr and i have here) ... feels so good. don't need people with your sorta attitude to make them feel worthless or that their problems should be kept hidden when it's quite the opposite.

she posted the video weeks before she committed suicide, she could have been helped if just one person said "i'll be your friend". it was preventable, not because she could make her ~life~ better but because other people could.

losing all your friends can do so much to you. made me leave school because of the way i was treated by the last of my friends. showed me not to trust anyone, that everyone leaves you in the end, resulting in more depression. so it's not like "oh well my friends obviously suck so i'll just get over it". no quite the opposite, feel like you're the worthless one.

just cause she got naked (which she's ******* entitled to) doesn't mean you tell the police and it's all over. she had to move school, was bullied online and offline. kinda hard to press charges against people who you have to see every day, the consequences of doing that will be worse.

YES IT'S A BIG DEAL. WE NEED FRIENDS. WE NEED TO FEEL LIKE WE'RE NOT ALONE. WHETHER THAT'S IRL OR THROUGH PEOPLE ON TUMBLR WHO SHARE SIMILAR EXPERIENCES.

the person you know exaggerating their video, how do you know what goes on in THEIR mind? you only ever see the observable parts of a person, like you see of this girl. it's hardly exaggerated if she tried to commit suicide more than once and left school. hardly exaggerated if she finally decides to end her life rofl.

also very hard once anti-depressants and therapy doesn't work because you feel like nothin ever well and suicide IS the answer. you don't think it is? then you quite clearly have no idea.

i don't condone suicide, i don't like these type of videos. but she had a right to express herself, a right to look for help & if one person reached out, she might have been okay. make it better for herself... oh please. people could say that about your own threads.

RIP to her. i don't see it as attention cause once you're dead and gone you can't exactly experience the attention and you'll never understand that unless you've been in that situation T_T

gonna regret this

[Samantha]

I can relate to her a bit, the picture bit but in no way did it make me feel bad enough to selfharm or commit suicide, that's a cowards way out and you need to embrace the fact you did it, yeah it was stupid but you suffer the consequences, you don't make a YouTube video or act like the whole world's against you. This happened to me when I was in year 10... I got reminded of it throughout the two years I had left at High School and year 13 at College, I just let it slide, that's what she could and should have done. No point regretting, no point saying never again because it doesn't matter. I don't sympathise with the selfharm or suicide, like I said it's a cowards way - they wouldn't have instantly hated her at other schools, she was the new girl nothing more.

[FlyingJesus]

It's a complete overreaction!! Watched the video, just about.... (god I hate them) but yeah. She flashed, it was her choice to do so, and she should have known the possible consequences. Yeah it doesn't happen often to this extent but it's still a POSSIBLITY...

Are you suggesting that it's right to bully people who do things you disagree with?


Videos like this glamorize the idea of suicide.

No they highlight the fact that when people go off on their "omf what a **** she deserves all she gets" rampages there is actually a person suffering - and for doing something that never hurt anyone


Thanks to tumblr, twitter and facebook 'crazes', suicide is becoming the 'cool' thing to do and quite frankly, I find it disgusting. You don't need to hurt yourself just to get a few 'fans' because they will feel sorry for you - it's attention seeking. If you're SERIOUSLY sad or suicidal you don't tell anyone. You just get on with it, and usually hide it. Maybe talk about it later in life, but never make a huge deal out of the fact. Proves my point with the photo at the end - not necessary to post a picture, people know what self harm is. It's like you're setting up a scene, I don't understand why it's so glamorous.

The photo was unnecessary but you CAN NOT and SHOULD NOT tell people how to deal with their depression. I think it's utterly sickening that you're telling the world that you think depressed people should lock it up and not tell anyone when that's the most dangerous way to deal with those issues, and saying that if you tell people then it's not real is just ridiculous. Also, have you ever considered that if people are seeking attention it may well be that they actually need attention? Attitudes like yours are the very reason that many people do choose not to tell anyone about their troubles, which makes the problems boil up inside and explode, often violently.


Some of the things she wrote about - none of her friends liking her because SUDDENLY this guy turned up with a topless photo... well I highly doubt that's the truth. With a bit of explaining, I'm sure they'd be fine - even if not, they're hardly good friends if they'll ditch you because of something that happened 2 years ago.

1) Not your issue, you don't know the story, so you can't just cry "lies!"
2) Real friends or not, that sort of thing upsets people. Possibly even more so if you have to find out that your friends aren't faithful through a trauma


They probably ditched her because of the drug/alcohol problems (which I don't blame on her at all, it's an 'easy' way to escape that many many people turn to) and her mental conditions. With the right help she could have got over it the right way.

But according to you, you shouldn't tell anyone if you're depressed, so you can't get help ever or you're just faking it attention, right?


You're GOING to be judged if you get naked on cam, you just need to admit it happened. If the guy was harbouring these photos she should have reported him to the police. Don't know how old he was but it's still technically child pornography so he'd have some sort of consequences coming to him. She never pressed charges on the people who beat her up and were posting those horrible messages - which would have made it easier on her.

Easier said than done, especially when you're made to feel like everything's your fault and that you're not worth helping.


It's like she puts a MASSIVE deal on the fact she doesn't have any friends, is it that big a deal? Yeah I felt rubbish when I lost my friends. The crush thing she talks about at 4:30 is ridiculous - everyone is played around by other people, and the way she says 'HE hooked up with ME' is stupid - she didn't have to go round, she didn't have to hook up with him at all. The next scene depicts a pretty much average bullying scenario so it's hardly this massive deal.

You're actually trying to tell us that bullying and being alone through the bullying isn't a big deal. Oh wow. Congrats to you on being so totally robotic that it didn't bother you especially when your friends turned on you, but your experiences are not the be all and end all of the human condition.


Also remember she wrote these. Could be biased, could even be lies. I'm not accusing, I'm just saying I know someone who did a video like this and most of it was exaggerated. The whole thing about the teachers walking past is beyond me - no way teachers do that. They are in loco parentis, which means it's illegal for them to see this and ignore it.

Again, your personal experience is not the whole of reality. Ignorant teaching staff do exist in a great many places, I don't know what paradise you live in where everyone plays their role perfectly but the real world does not work like that. If you want to talk personal experiences only, I've seen plenty of obvious bullying and abuse being passed over by teachers and other authority figures because it's simply not something they want to deal with sometimes. It does happen. You are wrong.


Fair enough she had anxiety and depression issues, if the anti-depressants weren't working and also the counselling, then she needed to say something, not ignore it.

You really need to make your mind up whether people are allowed to talk about their issues or not, because you keep zig-zagging and it just seems like you don't understand a single thing you're saying.


RIP and all, but she could have done so much more about it, to make it better for herself and to combat the issues. Suicide is never the answer.

Unfortunately these things can quite easily make the victim feel like there really is no option left for them other than suicide, and the traumas she faced along with underlying anxiety and depression affect one's mind and cloud over reasonable judgement on matters of the self. You remind me of the people who tell sufferers of depression to "just smile!" or "cheer up, it could be worse!" as though it's not a real condition with real consequences.

[BreakfastBacon]

She shouldn't of flashed in first place kinda confused why she did

[Samantha]

I can relate to her a bit, the picture bit but in no way did it make me feel bad enough to selfharm or commit suicide, that's a cowards way out and you need to embrace the fact you did it, yeah it was stupid but you suffer the consequences, you don't make a YouTube video or act like the whole world's against you. This happened to me when I was in year 10... I got reminded of it throughout the two years I had left at High School and year 13 at College, I just let it slide, that's what she could and should have done. No point regretting, no point saying never again because it doesn't matter. I don't sympathise with the selfharm or suicide, like I said it's a cowards way - they wouldn't have instantly hated her at other schools, she was the new girl nothing more.

I realised I made this sound sort of harsh, I don't think she should have taken her life and yeah I don't exactly sympathise with it but I can only go off my experience of how it made me feel when something similar happened; people are different and you can't know what they're thinking.
EpicCombo; she did it, it could have been a random thing she did, a spur of the moment thing but she did do it - she wouldn't do it again but might not have known it would escalate into something else or that it would haunt her for the rest of her life. It's up to the person themselves if they want to go on Webcam or not, whether they want to talk to strangers etc. it's her life... you said she shouldn't have done it to begin with, why not? She thought the people were complimenting her, she might not have known what would happen and she might have trusted a lot more then!

[lawrawrrr]

Not once did I say this is how everyone should feel. I'm FED UP of 'suicidal' girls who do it purely for the attention - seen it up close, first hand, farrrr too much and it's really annoying and upsetting to me.

Everyone's entitled to an opinion.

[MKR&*42]

Mmmm admittedly she shouldn't have flashed in the first place, but I find it ludicrous that some people still consider it her fault for what everyone else did to her. Honestly, reminds me of people like this;

-see someone depressed and go "attention seeking"
-see them cutting their wrists "attention seeking"
hear them contemplating suicide "attention seeking"
... then they commit suicide and you go "Oh I wish we could have done more to help her"

She is a very unfortunate girl and she was silly to flash online - she didn't deserve the amount of abuse she got from people and it's horrible how it ended. R.I.P to her for taking the last resort :(.

[FlyingJesus]

Yeah it's almost as annoying as people who go around stating that people who obviously have issues that need addressing are merely "attention seekers", even going as far as saying it about someone who actually committed suicide

Laura, YOU DO NOT GET TO DECIDE WHETHER SOMEONE IS GENUINELY DEPRESSED OR NOT. Your attitude is dangerous. Erasure of sufferers simply because they don't fit with your idea of what suicidal people should look like is not ok.

[lawrawrrr]

Yeah it's almost as annoying as people who go around stating that people who obviously have issues that need addressing are merely "attention seekers", even going as far as saying it about someone who actually committed suicide

Laura, YOU DO NOT GET TO DECIDE WHETHER SOMEONE IS GENUINELY DEPRESSED OR NOT. Your attitude is dangerous. Erasure of sufferers simply because they don't fit with your idea of what suicidal people should look like is not ok.

I know that. I don't pretend to be a psychologist. In my opinion, from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, videos like this glamorize the idea of suicide and make it seem cool, and more often than not, are purely attention seeking. Ok, ask for help, but yeah. Not to the extent of avoiding all the OBVIOUS paths. People, in my experience, make excuses for self-harm (I would know seeing as I've been there myself), but I still find it difficult to feel sympathy for those who feel as if their lives are 'ruined' when they could have done something themselves; such as reporting this guy to the police or pressing charges on the bullying.

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Mmmm admittedly she shouldn't have flashed in the first place, but I find it ludicrous that some people still consider it her fault for what everyone else did to her. Honestly, reminds me of people like this;

-see someone depressed and go "attention seeking"
-see them cutting their wrists "attention seeking"
hear them contemplating suicide "attention seeking"
... then they commit suicide and you go "Oh I wish we could have done more to help her"

She is a very unfortunate girl and she was silly to flash online - she didn't deserve the amount of abuse she got from people and it's horrible how it ended. R.I.P to her for taking the last resort :(.


1) if someone's depressed I'll ALWAYS do my best to help them. Many people from this forum could tell you that.
2) if someone's depressed to the point of cutting, same
3) if someone's depressed to the point of suicide, same

However, if someone's constantly talking about I'M GOING TO KILL MYSELF IM GOING TO KILL MYSELF IM CUTTING MYSELF RIGHT NOW EVERYONE LOVE ME BEFORE I KILL MYSELF yes that's attention seeking.

Not even gna lie here I've been in the second 2 situations and I didn't reach out because I didn't want anyone to stop me.

[LiquidLuck.]

I think that if it go as far as suicide, then she must have felt like there was absolutely nothing else for her in this world and not existing was better than taking a painful life.
I also think she could have been more careful about some of her choices though. Not talking about the flashing one, she was young and it was probably one of those moments when you're not 100% sure of what you're doing and it might have been 1 second that unfortunately she'll regret all her life, that was way too short in this case.
I do agree with Laura about the other guy. How she could have been smart enough to make the right choice about it. I understand she thought he really liked her, but he had a girlfriend and she had way too much bagage that she couldn't get rid of. She made a terrible wrong choice again.
About moving, if she didn't have any friends left in her old schools, she should have decided to get a fresh start. Delete her facebook, change phone numbers, forget all the people she left behind, and maybe even try to get people to call her a different name. I think I'd have done that if it ever came to it.
Apart from all that, I understand how drugs and alcohol might be the easiest solution but I also know it doesn't last forever and so should she. And if she wanted to die, why doing something as painful as drinking bleach? If it ever came to it, I'd have thrown myself from my building which is like 14 floors.. It'd have been way quicker.

RIP Amanda. I believe everyone is better in any way than alive. Life's way too hard.

[MKR&*42]

However, if someone's constantly talking about I'M GOING TO KILL MYSELF IM GOING TO KILL MYSELF IM CUTTING MYSELF RIGHT NOW EVERYONE LOVE ME BEFORE I KILL MYSELF yes that's attention seeking.

That's simply judging people by what you can see on the outside - they want someone to "love"them/be their friend/be there for them whatever and it is hardly attention seeking. People beg for help in many different forms - some may just keep it quiet and locked up, some may discretely tell a few people or so might be very open about it because they're too afraid and it has got to their head. Emotional outbursts are unpredictable and if someone happens to have one - it may simply be a building up of all their burdens which they need to release.

No-one deserves to say whether X, Y or Z is genuinely not suicidal except the person themselves.

[lawrawrrr]

That's simply judging people by what you can see on the outside - they want someone to "love"them/be their friend/be there for them whatever and it is hardly attention seeking. People beg for help in many different forms - some may just keep it quiet and locked up, some may discretely tell a few people or so might be very open about it because they're too afraid and it has got to their head. Emotional outbursts are unpredictable and if someone happens to have one - it may simply be a building up of all their burdens which they need to release.

No-one deserves to say whether X, Y or Z is genuinely suicidal or not except the person themselves.

It is attention seeking. Not all attention seeking is bad - it literally just means 'someone looking for attention' which is exactly what you've just described.

There is a much higher teen suicide rate now than there used to be though. I refuse to believe this has NOTHING to do with the emergence of this 'depressive' phase that's emerged on Tumblr and Twitter. It's not as bad as when the 'fans' kill themselves or hurt themselves because their idols won't pay attention to them though...

[Inseriousity.]

I don't really understand how these videos glamorise suicide. If anything it does the complete opposite cos it shows the story behind the act. I don't think anyone truly in that situation commits suicide because they've seen depressing videos like these. It is a shame that she felt it was the only way out of a bad situation, my philosophy is that you can't ever know for certain what's going to happen tomorrow until you get there so there's always something to cling onto but I know people in these situations just see tomorrow as more pain and hurt. RIP.

[lawrawrrr]

I don't really understand how these videos glamorise suicide. If anything it does the complete opposite cos it shows the story behind the act. I don't think anyone truly in that situation commits suicide because they've seen depressing videos like these. It is a shame that she felt it was the only way out of a bad situation, my philosophy is that you can't ever know for certain what's going to happen tomorrow until you get there so there's always something to cling onto but I know people in these situations just see tomorrow as more pain and hurt. RIP.

Monkey see, monkey do.

Unfortunately, if someone sees someone else do something, they do it too.

OFC I feel bad for the girl, her family and her friends but I'm talking more generally now.

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1) if someone's depressed I'll ALWAYS do my best to help them. Many people from this forum could tell you that.
2) if someone's depressed to the point of cutting, same
3) if someone's depressed to the point of suicide, same

However, if someone's constantly talking about I'M GOING TO KILL MYSELF IM GOING TO KILL MYSELF IM CUTTING MYSELF RIGHT NOW EVERYONE LOVE ME BEFORE I KILL MYSELF yes that's attention seeking.

Not even gna lie here I've been in the second 2 situations and I didn't reach out because I didn't want anyone to stop me.
you talk about attention seeking about wanting to kill yourself like it's a bad thing. yeah it's a cry for help most of the time, so give them that help rather than degrade them and make them feel worse than they do. it wasn't just a hey everyone love me thing like you said, she already tried to commit suicide twice before this video. do you think it's as easy as "oh i feel bad, i'll go kill myself". nope, it's planned. like she kept doing.


I think that if it go as far as suicide, then she must have felt like there was absolutely nothing else for her in this world and not existing was better than taking a painful life.
I also think she could have been more careful about some of her choices though. Not talking about the flashing one, she was young and it was probably one of those moments when you're not 100% sure of what you're doing and it might have been 1 second that unfortunately she'll regret all her life, that was way too short in this case.
I do agree with Laura about the other guy. How she could have been smart enough to make the right choice about it. I understand she thought he really liked her, but he had a girlfriend and she had way too much bagage that she couldn't get rid of. She made a terrible wrong choice again.
About moving, if she didn't have any friends left in her old schools, she should have decided to get a fresh start. Delete her facebook, change phone numbers, forget all the people she left behind, and maybe even try to get people to call her a different name. I think I'd have done that if it ever came to it.
Apart from all that, I understand how drugs and alcohol might be the easiest solution but I also know it doesn't last forever and so should she. And if she wanted to die, why doing something as painful as drinking bleach? If it ever came to it, I'd have thrown myself from my building which is like 14 floors.. It'd have been way quicker.

RIP Amanda. I believe everyone is better in any way than alive. Life's way too hard.
yes she must have felt like there was absolutely nothing left for her in the world. it's funny how you say she might have felt not existing is better than a painful life because i feel that way all the time so it feels weird knowing that most people are happy with their lives everyday.. i've not felt that way in a long time and i'm still alive. so she must have been really really fed up, as shown by her 2 previous suicide attempts.
does making bad choices mean a person deserves to die? just cause she picked the 'wrong' guy? um no, so why should she be punished for it?
she DID move schools and it continued ONLINE and OFFLINE. she couldn't escape it. sure fire way to drive anyone mad.

Not once did I say this is how everyone should feel. I'm FED UP of 'suicidal' girls who do it purely for the attention - seen it up close, first hand, farrrr too much and it's really annoying and upsetting to me.

Everyone's entitled to an opinion.
********.. you're fed up of suicidal girls because it upsets you? sorry we're such an inconvenience to you but do we ask you to read our blogs? listen to us moan? look at your twitter or your dailybooth, don't see people complaining about it. you have been so, so hypocritical here...

as for everyone else saying she shouldn't have flashed, everyone knows the consequences but does that mean they have to be continually bullied and targeted for it? the problem is with society not the girls, we're told showing your body is a crime which it's NOT. if you wanna get your **** out, all the power to you. just the same as those who do topless tuesday on tumblr, glamour models, protesters etc. she was just picked on for it, probably jealousy. couldn't even tell you the amount of people who've seen me near enough naked or half naked, the problem is with how OTHER people deal with it, not the person who does it. our bodies, our right.

anyway im over this so i won't reply to any more ignorance. i hope no-one talks about suicide or self harm in such a light way in front of other people. don't need others to make us feel more worthless than we already do. so even if you believe it, be sensitive and smart enough to realize its not a topic you talk about in such a way. even if someone isn't directly suicidal, they may have loved ones who have been. fact is, she wasn't "just" suicidal, she's gone and it's disrespectful to say it's only attention. whenever i feel really bad, i want to help people... help people understand suicide and reasons people do it so i can understand why she made the video. probably didn't want to go without giving people closure and showing bullies how much harm it actually does. think once you've made up your mind to commit suicide its not a simple decision to just go and do it, you really really have to be at your wits end.

anyway bye hope u guys learnt something

[MKR&*42]

It is attention seeking. Not all attention seeking is bad - it literally just means 'someone looking for attention' which is exactly what you've just described.

There is a much higher teen suicide rate now than there used to be though. I refuse to believe this has NOTHING to do with the emergence of this 'depressive' phase that's emerged on Tumblr and Twitter. It's not as bad as when the 'fans' kill themselves or hurt themselves because their idols won't pay attention to them though...

You know you are using "attention seeking" in a negative format in regards to the post I quoted you with, don't try and twist my words.

Well tbh, to get to those sources you'd most likely have to google "suicide tumblr" which would suggest contemplating of suicide by someone in the first place. People do not spontaneously think "hey let's see if there's any suicide blogs or tumblr or ones that promote self harm!!!!!!" there is an underlying reason for it and it's highly likely that person was suicidal before even looking at tumblr. So the claim that it's tumblr/twitter causing a peak in teen suicides is ridiculous. There are more things to consider in society than *blaming the internet*.

* of course they have a minor effect, but to hold those sites responsible for major increases is silly.

[lawrawrrr]

You know you are using "attention seeking" in a negative format in regards to the post I quoted you with, don't try and twist my words.

Well tbh, to get to those sources you'd most likely have to google "suicide tumblr" which would suggest contemplating of suicide by someone in the first place. People do not spontaneously think "hey let's see if there's any suicide blogs or tumblr or ones that promote self harm!!!!!!" there is an underlying reason for it and it's highly likely that person was suicidal before even looking at tumblr. So the claim that it's tumblr/twitter causing a peak in teen suicides is ridiculous. There are more things to consider in society than *blaming the internet*.

* of course they have a minor effect, but to hold those sites responsible for major increases is silly.

No I'm not, I'm using it in it's grammatically correct sense. I'm not even replying to the rest of it because I'm fed up of being targetted for having an opinion.

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FYI I have never ONCE posted on my twitter about my own personal issues, when it comes to physical things. When it comes to depression, maybe, because it's a personal blog. Noone forces you to follow me. I'm not being hypocritical

[LiquidLuck.]

yes she must have felt like there was absolutely nothing left for her in the world. it's funny how you say she might have felt not existing is better than a painful life because i feel that way all the time so it feels weird knowing that most people are happy with their lives everyday.. i've not felt that way in a long time and i'm still alive. so she must have been really really fed up, as shown by her 2 previous suicide attempts.
does making bad choices mean a person deserves to die? just cause she picked the 'wrong' guy? um no, so why should she be punished for it?
she DID move schools and it continued ONLINE and OFFLINE. she couldn't escape it. sure fire way to drive anyone mad.

I also feel that way lots of times, but I still have that bit of hope that things might change and it won't be as bad. She most likely didn't.
I never said making bad choices means a person deserves to die and I also didn't EVER say she deserved to die. Also never said she should be punished for picking the wrong guy. Don't try twisting my words please because I don't think an innocent person deserves to die. And that was exactly what she was at the time she made her first bad choice about this. Innocent. She flashed when she shouldn't have because she was way too young to think of the consequences.
About the guy, I do think she should have been smarter than that and obviously not go be with him. If her life was already that bad, she should have been intelligent enough not to make it worse.
I know she moved schools but if people still knew where she was, then she didn't do much to get away from everything. Like she said, she kept visiting facebook. If you're trying to escape a picture of you that is around the internet, it's not a very bright move to keep your facebook.

[MKR&*42]

No I'm not, I'm using it in it's grammatically correct sense. I'm not even replying to the rest of it because I'm fed up of being targetted for having an opinion.

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FYI I have never ONCE posted on my twitter about my own personal issues, when it comes to physical things. When it comes to depression, maybe, because it's a personal blog. Noone forces you to follow me. I'm not being hypocritical

You know there are 2 ways of interpreting attention seeking;

- OMG LOOK AT ME, MUST BE CENTRE OF ATTENTION NOW!!!!!!
- I wish someone would just pay a bit of attention to me so I didn't feel so isolated all the time :/

So you can pull out grammar all you want, completely different to interpretation and meaning. Had to Google this because I knew I had seen this before when someone challenged me on the word "attention seeking";

the following styles of attention seeking have been identified:

Extroverted positive overt style – associated with narcissism, bragging and boasting.
Extroverted negative overt style – to gain pity and reassurance.

There are 4 but the other 2 aren't necessary in this context. If you honestly believe those 2 meanings are completely the same, my God.
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If you have an opinion, you should be ready to defend it. If I blurt out "I think hitler was a good guy", do you think no-one's going to ask why?

[FlyingJesus]

No I'm not, I'm using it in it's grammatically correct sense. I'm not even replying to the rest of it because I'm fed up of being targetted for having an opinion.

No you're being targeted for being wrong. Stating things that are blatant untruths is not the same as having an opinion, it's merely being uninformed and bigoted. Also you have in every post used the words "attention seeking" in some form in a contemptuous way as though crying out for help were a bad thing and makes one unworthy of being helped. You're saying that you hate people who seek attention. You're saying that you think people who speak about their suffering are false.

You're absolutely entitled to an opinion, but it ought to be an informed one and not based solely on weak personal experience. I'd have thought a so-called news reporter would be aware of that.

[Inseriousity.]

Monkey see, monkey do.

Unfortunately, if someone sees someone else do something, they do it too.

OFC I feel bad for the girl, her family and her friends but I'm talking more generally now.

lol yes and I'd agree if the doing something wasn't taking your own life!

[dbgtz]

she DID move schools and it continued ONLINE and OFFLINE. she couldn't escape it. sure fire way to drive anyone mad.

She could have quite easily escaped the online harassment after the first time, which would mean the following events would not have happened.

[LiquidLuck.]

She could have quite easily escaped the online harassment after the first time, which would mean the following events would not have happened.

This is exactly what I think. It's so easy to be someone you're not in the internet without anyone ever knowing who you really are. She could have deleted all her previous accounts in every site and just make new ones. PLUS, she even had a new IP adress.

[dbgtz]

This is exactly what I think. It's so easy to be someone you're not in the internet without anyone ever knowing who you really are. She could have deleted all her previous accounts in every site and just make new ones. PLUS, she even had a new IP adress.

Or not make new ones at all because the guy located her easily enough before.

[LiquidLuck.]

Or not make new ones at all because the guy located her easily enough before.

I think if she did the call with that guy and people she knew, then the guy probably just asked the other people who she was on facebook or something like that.

[Nooses]

Firstly, rest in peace, you deserve it darling, you don't have to suffer any more. ♥

And to all those calling her, or anyone like her, an attention seeker, yes I suppose in a way it is, but not in a negative form.
Not as in OMG LOOK ME LOOK AT WHAT IVE DONE - if you're referring to them as an attention seeker in this sense, you're wrong.

Everyone makes mistakes, and for everyone, even if it's the same or similar incident, everyone deals with the results differently, and is affected by them differently.

Everyone needs someone. And often people suffering mental illness, anxiety, panic attacks, it's a lot harder for us, over the years when we've been judged, even small sly comments or actions here and there, they add up - even if it wasn't that much.
Because your own mind takes care of the rest, it starts to work against you, it changes you - depression. You try living awhile when with your own mind abusing you, screaming at you, making you feel like complete and utter ****, you no longer require someone else's put downs to be beaten up inside, but for those who get it also, it doesn't help.

It's one thing to say "oh, you should get help", yes, they should, but it isn't that simple or easy, in fact there is NOTHING easy or simple about it. Even if you do ask for help, and get help, in my case I have, and have, and I know first hand.
Everyone has secrets, everyone hides something, people suffering mental illness often hide it, the people you see at school, constantly smiling and acting happy, you think they're okay, right? There's every chance they may be, but there's also every chance they may be the complete opposite. It's draining having to act okay, like everything is *Removed* fantastic, but we all do it more or less at some time in our lives, some more than others. Sure, they could just drop the act and be themselves, but people are cruel creatures, showing how you really are leaves you vulnerable and open to more abuse. Some of us keep it all inside, and this is extremely damaging, wanting to be able to tell someone, to let it out to without the fear of being judged upon for how you really feel. It's not easy to face someone and spill all your dark, disturbing thoughts, even if you may want to, even if it's someone who can help like a social worker.

So along comes Tumblr, people use it as an outlet, and that's a good thing, and while what may appear on their blog may not look 'good' if it helps them, then who are you to judge? If you don't like what you see upon their blog, don't look at it, don't visit it, instead of so many that do so and leave abusive messages - which do not help. Tumblr allows people to be honest about how they are, to connect and support others who are also suffering, so in a way they are getting help by doing this, perhaps not in the proper sense society sees as 'getting help' but help nonetheless. They know they're not alone in being this way in this world. And that, is a very powerful thing.

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[DPS]

Some of you need to honestly grow up, yeah so what she flashed.. i can tell you this, most of the girls and boys on here have probs done it too, and dont say no because i know rather alot that have.

Her flashing is not the point that just started it off for her this is what you guys aint reading into.

[LiquidLuck.]

Some of you need to honestly grow up, yeah so what she flashed.. i can tell you this, most of the girls and boys on here have probs done it too, and dont say no because i know rather alot that have.

Her flashing is not the point that just started it off for her this is what you guys aint reading into.

Develop a bit?

[Glen Coco]

what i dont understand is how he found her!?!

[Empired]

To all of you who are saying that she's just attention seeking or that she's lying or that it's not that big a deal, I almost agreed with you.
But then I looked her up on Google Images. I suggest you do the same, if you can.

Warning: Mildly disturbing

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQIEKmgCUnF3RboD9b4XPGnBwOL-vt4S9oPy4ZO-8aL2mj0mJaV_g
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRmRDiSQi75x4Mxf9XRBN30gT8vN9-qgJ9MJQA9sbYlBVVs4KLj2Q

Even though I'll admit the video didn't really bother me, I can't stand how people are making jokes at a girl who felt so alone to kill herself.

[Absently]

I don't really see what's wrong with flashing? I've done it with my friends and nobody said **** to us and we were her age at the time. It really shows that all the people bullying her were clearly jealous of her!! About her getting with a guy who had a girlfriend it's really understandable, when you feel crap about yourself all you wanna do is feel loved and would jump at the chance if someone shows any interest in you. Surely I'd imagine most people have felt that before? I don't see why a large amount of blame was put on the guy, considering he was the one with a girlfriend. It really disgusts me that people are still putting rude comments on her video, she's dead leave it to rest. She's not the first girl to make one of those videos and afterwards kill herself, it's becoming common now. I'd imagine she just felt like this was her last chance, for someone to find the video and be able to actually help her. I just think it's crazy how it all seemed to stem from her flashing, yes she was young but it's not something to bully someone over.

[Empired]

laura; To start with, Amanda was just telling people she was cutting herself. I totally see how you can call that attention-seeking. I can see how you're calling the video attention-seeking...

But then she took her own life. Have you not noticed this? If she was doing this purely for the attention, I would assume that she'd want to stay around for it. It's so much harder to be conscious of attention when you're dead.

[Circadia]

I watched this video yesterday and it annoyed me so much. I was severely bully for 3 years, got beaten up, death threats, constant rumors being spread about me, nasty name etc etc and I kept it too myself for 2 of the 3 years because I was scared that someone would judge me and I didn't want people to know I was weak, I also contemplated suicide but never did it. Anyway it annoyed me because you wouldn't tell the entire world (sort of) if you were being bullied because you make yourself vulnerable to the stuff that happened to her. Like many have said its her own fault things got so far, if she had told someone what was happening instead of making a youtube video something would have been done and solved, cause after I told someone it got solved, yes it got worse because I told but after a few months it got better.
Suicide is never the answer and the thing is, people are making it look glamorised which is making more people want to lie about such things and possibly even start cutting themselves
Its just so wrong, yes its saddening to see it get that far, but I coped with it, why can't anyone else?

sorry if you find this rude or it doesn't make sense I'm ranting *+*

[Stephen]

Anyone who does them stupid sign story video things deserves a slap

even if she's dead I'd travel to the gates of heaven just to slap her

[Wig44.]

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[CigaretteBirdie]

I just saw the video today, and didn't exactly get to see all of it, but yeah, I kinda understand what laura said in a way, though some of it I do disagree with.
When someone is thinking of committing suicide or cutting...you really just don't tell anyone, because if your serious about doing it, why would you? So, yeah, maybe Amanda did do it a little bit for attention. I can understand why people would think she would. And then loads of girls do seem to be doing this kind of thing on Youtube nowadays, I've certainly seen quite a few myself, some maybe not be about suicide, but certainly depression ect. which is not too nice to see. Sure enough, if you've beaten depression or thought of committing suicide and done a Youtube video on how they overcome their depression ect. I personally think thats fine. You know..your giving inspiration to people out there who are in the situation you were in.
But then..some people are giving talking down about her for committing suicide in the first place which I think is absolutely horrible and real disrespectful. She obviously had problems that she couldn't face which resulted to her thinking the only way out would be to commit suicide. Some of the Youtubers that posted comments mentioned how they had felt bullied before and still do, but they would never ever even think of committing suicide, and that Amanda was real stupid for giving up her life. Well, you know what? Maybe she wasn't as strong as all them people, maybe she just couldn't find a way out. That's what happens some times and it's a real shame, and I hope now that wherever she is, she's a lot happier. But gees. A teenage girl lost her life. I think we should all be more respectful and just leave it at that.
RIP Amanda! I'm so sorry this happened to you.

[lawrawrrr]

*removed*

No need to be so rude... she could have stopped it, but she didn't. It is ultimately her fault it happened, as it all centers on her decision to flash, but like I said, that's a very rare possible consequence of doing that. She didn't deserve it, no, but she could have stopped it right from the first harassment.

I realise a lot of what I said has been taken completely out of context. Rewatching it (and paying attention to the last 2 minutes) made me realise that she was sharing a story, not saying I'M GOING TO KILL MYSELF NOW which many of the videos do. Sharing a survival story is often a good way to help other people, but if she was truly out of the woods and strong enough then she wouldn't have killed herself after making it (I don't know how much of a gap there was between the 2 events mind you).

[FlyingJesus]

Guy goes to a club and starts dancing. His style of dance is rather flamboyant, and a random attendee with antiquated views and a violent temper sees this and chases the man out, eventually driving him into traffic where he dies. It's totes the first man's fault he died because he chose to go out dancing, right? This is what you're trying to tell people, just with a different story.

[Samantha]

No need to be so rude... she could have stopped it, but she didn't. It is ultimately her fault it happened, as it all centers on her decision to flash, but like I said, that's a very rare possible consequence of doing that. She didn't deserve it, no, but she could have stopped it right from the first harassment.

I realise a lot of what I said has been taken completely out of context. Rewatching it (and paying attention to the last 2 minutes) made me realise that she was sharing a story, not saying I'M GOING TO KILL MYSELF NOW which many of the videos do. Sharing a survival story is often a good way to help other people, but if she was truly out of the woods and strong enough then she wouldn't have killed herself after making it (I don't know how much of a gap there was between the 2 events mind you).

That was posted on 7th September, according to form she died on 10th October.

[Catchy]

Cracking up at everyone who's saying she shouldn't of flashed in the first place? I bet half the peeps saying it are guilty of it anyways lmao :s

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[Empired]

I watched this video yesterday and it annoyed me so much. I was severely bully for 3 years, got beaten up, death threats, constant rumors being spread about me, nasty name etc etc and I kept it too myself for 2 of the 3 years because I was scared that someone would judge me and I didn't want people to know I was weak, I also contemplated suicide but never did it. Anyway it annoyed me because you wouldn't tell the entire world (sort of) if you were being bullied because you make yourself vulnerable to the stuff that happened to her. Like many have said its her own fault things got so far, if she had told someone what was happening instead of making a youtube video something would have been done and solved, cause after I told someone it got solved, yes it got worse because I told but after a few months it got better.
Suicide is never the answer and the thing is, people are making it look glamorised which is making more people want to lie about such things and possibly even start cutting themselves
Its just so wrong, yes its saddening to see it get that far, but I coped with it, why can't anyone else?

sorry if you find this rude or it doesn't make sense I'm ranting *+*


Yeah we all go through hardships without committing suicide. But you don't know what's big to someone else, you don't know how they feel, you've never been them.
Found this on Facebook, thought it summed up my thoughts to your post nicely.

I know loads of people are bullied or commit suicide every day but I think we should be sad that another person has had to go through this, not be outraged because she wasn't what society deems as "pure".

[Glen Coco]

I watched this video yesterday and it annoyed me so much. I was severely bully for 3 years, got beaten up, death threats, constant rumors being spread about me, nasty name etc etc and I kept it too myself for 2 of the 3 years because I was scared that someone would judge me and I didn't want people to know I was weak, I also contemplated suicide but never did it. Anyway it annoyed me because you wouldn't tell the entire world (sort of) if you were being bullied because you make yourself vulnerable to the stuff that happened to her. Like many have said its her own fault things got so far, if she had told someone what was happening instead of making a youtube video something would have been done and solved, cause after I told someone it got solved, yes it got worse because I told but after a few months it got better.
Suicide is never the answer and the thing is, people are making it look glamorised which is making more people want to lie about such things and possibly even start cutting themselves
Its just so wrong, yes its saddening to see it get that far, but I coped with it, why can't anyone else?

sorry if you find this rude or it doesn't make sense I'm ranting *+*

So because you coped with it that means that everyone else can?

I do agree tat it's stupid that something so stupid caused her to commit suicide but at the end of the day people have limits, and everyone's limits are different.
At the time that the abuse started she was only like 14, she clearly didn't want to tell anyone because she was scared she'd get into trouble for lifting up her top for strangers online, I would be petrified if i did that. Yes, she shouldn't have done it but she obviously wasnt all that happy in herself and lied the attention that she got from the people online.
It's ignorant to say that itd simply just stop because she told someone. she must have said something to her parents in order for them to move her schools and they would have found out when the police went to her door, clearly nothing stopped.

I dont agree with the picture at the end, I think that was too far, but from what im guessing she knew when she made the video she was going to try suicide again.

[Circadia]

So because you coped with it that means that everyone else can?

I do agree tat it's stupid that something so stupid caused her to commit suicide but at the end of the day people have limits, and everyone's limits are different.
At the time that the abuse started she was only like 14, she clearly didn't want to tell anyone because she was scared she'd get into trouble for lifting up her top for strangers online, I would be petrified if i did that. Yes, she shouldn't have done it but she obviously wasnt all that happy in herself and lied the attention that she got from the people online.
It's ignorant to say that itd simply just stop because she told someone. she must have said something to her parents in order for them to move her schools and they would have found out when the police went to her door, clearly nothing stopped.

I dont agree with the picture at the end, I think that was too far, but from what im guessing she knew when she made the video she was going to try suicide again.


If you read correctly I ended with a question not a statement therefore implying that no not everyone might be not cope be able to cope but it seems that most people end up ending there lives unnecessarily.

Ignorant? Its some what true. If she had told her parents why didn't they do anything? If the police came to her door why didn't they do anything? If the teachers saw why did they bone idly walk by while she was getting hurt why didn't they try to help her? Which leads me to believe that she is stretching the truth, hence trying to grab peoples attention. Yes you might say 'she wouldn't have committed suicide if you wanted attention' no you wouldn't but just think maybe she couldn't handle the attention she was getting anymore and killed herself.
If you actually read what she was saying you'd realise there might be more to it than just what she had written on the cards, or its just me over analysing.

I'll leave you with the definition of ignorance, so maybe next time you'll realise you've might not have chosen the right word.

Lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated.

[Glen Coco]

If you read correctly I ended with a question not a statement therefore implying that no not everyone might be not cope be able to cope but it seems that most people end up ending there lives unnecessarily.

Ignorant? Its some what true. If she had told her parents why didn't they do anything? If the police came to her door why didn't they do anything? If the teachers saw why did bone idly walked by why didn't they try to help her? Which leads me to believe that she is stretching the truth, hence trying to grab peoples attention. Yes you might say 'she wouldn't have committed suicide if you wanted attention' no you wouldn't but just think maybe she couldn't handle the attention she was getting anymore and killed herself.
If you actually read what she was saying you'd realise there might be more to it than just what she is saying, or its just me over analysing.

I'll leave you with the definition of ignorance, so maybe next time you'll realise you've might not have chosen the right word.

Lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated.


And why would it have stopped because she told someone? Thousands of people get bullied and it doesn't stop because they;ve told someone. You're lucky that yours did stop. its not the same for everyone. Again, you've tried to say that all humans are the same.
She tried to stop it, she moved away TWICE. Yes, she could have deleted facebook but going to a new school you want to get to know your peers and a popular way of doing that i through facebook. This guy made a group about her!!!!!
you ended with a rhetorical question which gave the impression that just because you'd gotten through whatever happened to you everyone else should be able to cope with whatever happens to them. It doesn't work that way. You may have been stronger than her or the bullying not as intense.

[Circadia]

And why would it have stopped because she told someone? Thousands of people get bullied and it doesn't stop because they;ve told someone. You're lucky that yours did stop. its not the same for everyone. Again, you've tried to say that all humans are the same.
She tried to stop it, she moved away TWICE. Yes, she could have deleted facebook but going to a new school you want to get to know your peers and a popular way of doing that i through facebook. This guy made a group about her!!!!!
you ended with a rhetorical question which gave the impression that just because you'd gotten through whatever happened to you everyone else should be able to cope with whatever happens to them. It doesn't work that way. You may have been stronger than her or the bullying not as intense.

I'm not saying it would absolutely stop if she told someone! I was saying if her parents, the police and teachers saw what was going on, doesn't that make you think that something she saying is bending the truth? Cause it certainly does too me. A guy made have made a group about her, how do you solve that? You report it. A statement is a sign of absolution of what I was saying, but I didn't end with a statement I ended with a question didn't I? Meaning that I'm not saying that everyone can cope just wondering why people can't as well as another.

[MKR&*42]

I'm not saying it would absolutely stop if she told someone! I was saying if her parents, the police and teachers saw what was going on, doesn't that make you think that something she saying is bending the truth? Cause it certainly does too me. A guy made have made a group about her, how do you solve that? You report it. A statement is a sign of absolution of what I was saying, but I didn't end with a statement I ended with a question didn't I? Meaning that I'm not saying that everyone can cope just wondering why people can't as well as another.

In the case of teachers, some will literally do nothing. I had an friend (ex-friend now tbh) at school who was constantly bullied on the bus (where teachers sometimes went on to regulate it and whatnot) and even had her hair set on fire - she told the school about the hair incident and all they did was exclude the person who did it for 2 days. Teachers saw that I was often teased and got verbally abused by people because of a rumour I was gay and did nothing about it, I told some teachers directly about it and that it was an issue; still did nothing about it. May be different for different people, but from my experience and what i've head from others, the majority of teachers don't help greatly.

Sometimes parents think teens are over-exaggerating in regards to depression/suicidal thoughts (even after they attempt it multiple times tbh). Can't say much about police.

[Circadia]

In the case of teachers, some will literally do nothing. I had an friend (ex-friend now tbh) at school who was constantly bullied on the bus (where teachers sometimes went on to regulate it and whatnot) and even had her hair set on fire - she told the school about the hair incident and all they did was exclude the person who did it for 2 days. Teachers saw that I was often teased and got verbally abused by people because of a rumour I was gay and did nothing about it, I told some teachers directly about it and that it was an issue; still did nothing about it. May be different for different people, but from my experience and what i've head from others, the majority of teachers don't help greatly.

Sometimes parents think teens are over-exaggerating in regards to depression/suicidal thoughts (even after they attempt it multiple times tbh). Can't say much about police.

If teachers do that they are breaking the law and should be fired :L But my school was like that before the new head.
However we can't assume that was the case for her, all she tells us that the teachers watched. They wouldn't blatantly watch out in the open were people can see (I think it was in the open I can't quite remember).

Anyway this is a matter of opinion not a matter of fact

[MKR&*42]

If teachers do that they are breaking the law and should be fired :L But my school was like that before the new head.
However we can't assume that was the case for her, all she tells us that the teachers watched. They wouldn't blatantly watch out in the open were people can see (I think it was in the open I can't quite remember).

Anyway this is a matter of opinion not a matter of fact

Quite right! :P (This is an on topic post before some mod. says it isn't :l).

[Glen Coco]

I'm not saying it would absolutely stop if she told someone! I was saying if her parents, the police and teachers saw what was going on, doesn't that make you think that something she saying is bending the truth? Cause it certainly does too me. A guy made have made a group about her, how do you solve that? You report it. A statement is a sign of absolution of what I was saying, but I didn't end with a statement I ended with a question didn't I? Meaning that I'm not saying that everyone can cope just wondering why people can't as well as another.

your question made it seem that you were suggesting that everyone should be like you, actually.

she may have been bending the truth but the fact is that the girl needed help
the police got involved once, and yes that makes me wonder why they didn't do anything about the guy who was posting the pictures.
It's not exactly easy though is it. Imagine it, you move school and then someone makes a group with your boobs as the profile picture and gets in touch with all the people in your new school that youve got on Facebook. even if you report it, they've still seen it, that's going to be the first memorable thing that you do in that new school. I can't imagine that she got off that lightly with it.

[Samantha]

Yeah I agree with you Intersocial; I think because we can't see both sides of the story either it doesn't help. When I was in year 9 I got hit in the mouth with an Aniseed Ball yet I got the blame due to me buying the sweets (and apparently I was throwing them), my friends luckily told the teacher I wasn't and apologised to me - sometimes all it takes is a sorry and it's over, yet the teacher first didn't do anything about it and blamed me. Another issue was in History, people were being verbally rude to me, a note was passed round about me and the teacher eventually got it, at the end of the lesson he asked me who it was and if I minded it - I told him not to persue it due to it not being a common thing, anyway what I'm saying is that sometimes teachers will do something and sometimes they won't but again they don't know the full story thus have to make a judgement. In this case, I'm not saying they made the wrong one but it would appear wrong to those who were viewing it from our point of view, if we were one of those bullying her or spectating it then we would probably look at it differently. Of course my examples aren't as bad as what she went through.

I think that in some way she just wanted that attention to know she had someone but the attention she received instead was negative - it could have easily became too much as said before but I don't think it should have stemmed so much from what she originally did.

[Catchy]

You know what, this thread makes me so angry and I reckon half of you should be ashamed of yourselves. The fact of the matter is somebody has taken their own life and you're all sitting here debating whether or not her reasons are valid? I'm sorry but have some ******* compassion and some respect. Can't get over how disrespectful this thread is and imo it should just be closed.

[Stephen]

It'll probably die in a few days so it doesn't need to be closed

badum tish

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[Teabags]

Surely its good to talk it through? It gives a fuller picture of the situation and how to build upon it - ideally so fewer people commit suicide.

might be my naivety - but am I right in thinking she'd tried to do it twice before? If her parents or even close friends even had a shred of doubt as to whether she might actually succeed, why hadn't her situation changed? e.g. counselling, moving or dealing with it someway?

But I must say I agree with laura, on this occasion someone has succeeded in suicide, but the amount of people that almost fake 'attempt' suicide to cry out for attention, without ever having the intention of going through with suicide. It's almost like a claim for condolence. If there is an ulterior motive under the attention seeking and generally have a legitimate grievances, then I can understand suicide, but the amount of attempted teen suicide seems a little beyond me >I feel unsympathetic saying that is teen lives really built up with so many problems that suicide is even a conceivable answer?

[lawrawrrr]

Surely its good to talk it through? It gives a fuller picture of the situation and how to build upon it - ideally so fewer people commit suicide.

might be my naivety - but am I right in thinking she'd tried to do it twice before? If her parents or even close friends even had a shred of doubt as to whether she might actually succeed, why hadn't her situation changed? e.g. counselling, moving or dealing with it someway?

But I must say I agree with @laura (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=61966), on this occasion someone has succeeded in suicide, but the amount of people that almost fake 'attempt' suicide to cry out for attention, without ever having the intention of going through with suicide. It's almost like a claim for condolence. If there is an ulterior motive under the attention seeking and generally have a legitimate grievances, then I can understand suicide, but the amount of attempted teen suicide seems a little beyond me >I feel unsympathetic saying that is teen lives really built up with so many problems that suicide is even a conceivable answer?


Absolutely. I have a friend who posted a 'fake' video to get efame (her genuine reason was MAYBE JUSTIN BIEBER WILL NOTICE ME AND I'LL GET A TRENDING TOPIC)... it's messed up man. I totally agree with you, I'm so sympathetic to those with REAL issues, as a lot of people will be able to tell you.

For those of you -repping me, I'm allowed an opinion, and I'm not an idiot for having that opinion. You have no idea. I've already admitted I was wrong in my first post by saying it was bad-attention seeking (I thought it was going to be the same situation as above), but you HAVE to see ti from my point of view. Or maybe you're just too naive to see the pathetic 'depressed' (usually) girls who post videos with them half naked apologising for being 'suicidal'.... I just find it difficult to believe. Sorry for being sceptical....

[buttons]

hmm just read this
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2218532/Amanda-Todd-Anonymous-names-man-drove-teen-kill-spreading-nude-pictures.html
apparently it was a 32 year man who got her to flash then made the Facebook profile with the topless picture as the profile pic then added all her friends to it and tried blackmailing her into doing shows for him? says in the article her 'friends' knew about a 30 year old man stalking her for years. dk whether to believe this but if its anonymous tis possible :p anyway y'all moaning bout glamourising suicide when this psychotic peadophille is the real issue, also shows you the disastrous consequences of the Internet and people on it you don't know...

[sex]

hmm just read this
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2218532/Amanda-Todd-Anonymous-names-man-drove-teen-kill-spreading-nude-pictures.html
apparently it was a 32 year man who got her to flash then made the Facebook profile with the topless picture as the profile pic then added all her friends to it and tried blackmailing her into doing shows for him? says in the article her 'friends' knew about a 30 year old man stalking her for years. dk whether to believe this but if its anonymous tis possible :p anyway y'all moaning bout glamourising suicide when this psychotic peadophille is the real issue, also shows you the disastrous consequences of the Internet and people on it you don't know...

exactly some people meet psychopathic crazy ******* and don't even realize till its too late.......... gotta be careful what you do online!!!!

[Glen Coco]

there's quite a few stories going around. I heard one about her doing online 'shows' quite a bit, not that she deserved to be stalked.

[Grimmauld]

generally speaking, it is never right for someone to lose their life to suicide. regardless of the matter, it's a shame that she couldnt find help before this all happened. rip

[karter]

If I am bumping this thread, I apologize.

I am just really angry at some people who said it's her fault or she brought it up on herself. Really? Just one mistake..just because of one mistake she did, you judged her and posted whatever you felt like. Have some empathy for god's sake. Yes okay, what a terrible thing to show your breasts to a person online, but that mistake does not call for bullying to death. The guy chased her as she changed schools, everywhere she went she was bullied. Imagine that kind of life and then talk.

I have been bullied, like really bad, I have been beaten up, humiliated in front of people, left alone. Still, I cannot judge someobody else just by watching a video of theirs telling a story. How can you people be so insensitive about this? It is very painful to see people going through this. But eventually, it does get better, when you finally realise that your worth does not come from what others say

[Stephen]

she could have always gone into prostitution instead

people don't think about the options they have before killing themselves

Edited by Samm (Forum Moderator): Please try and be more respectful about sensitive topics such as this, thanks.

[Metric1]

she could have always gone into prostitution instead

people don't think about the options they have before killing themselves

LOL UR AWFUL

Edited by laura (Forum Moderator): Please don't post pointlessly!

[Zak]

I don't see how getting naked was such a big deal, but then again I'm not her.

I used to self-harm, not for attention but it was a way of releasing the pain I felt inside. It actually used to make me feel better. Though I always used to cover up.

Personally, my life has never been that bad that I've ever contemplated doing something that bad. Not to sound harsh or anything but she could have had a lot worse life - people have gone through a lot worse.

Nevertheless it shouldn't be happening.. even worse is if she'd found all these people before her death she would have surely got the help and support she needed. ;[

[Cassiieee]

I've sat and watched her video the day after, when I found out on Facebook. I found her Facebook, and it was opened to photos only. I searched through her photos, to find a photo of her and her best mate kissing and people commenting on it, giving her so much abuse. She didn't deserve it. Noone deserves to be bullied so much they kill themselves. So she flashed, she was young, she didn't really know what she was doing, she didn't know it was going to be screen shotted and sent to everyone she knew. If I ever did find out who the person was, I would so hope he'd run a mile. She was a lovely girl, and she went to youtbue to tell her story and seak for help, noone noticed until she killed her self.......... You should all stop hating on her. She made a mistake and regretted it. You can't say you've never made a mistake and not regretted it.