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[AgnesIO]

cos habox *REMOVED*

I could have guessed who would come out with such a moronic post really :)

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And no Beth dw about that - was ages ago, I swear it was then changed - apparently it has gone back? :L

[Chippiewill]

v7 is surely 18 months in development now, christmas 2011 we were talking about the hxl merge as imminent.

i understand you can't rush these things but in all honesty what does habbox have to lose now by releasing even a 75% finished site.

events are one thing but what is the point in having new brilliant events and then have them arrive at v6?! habbo users of today expect more.


(i do understand v7 took a hit when hoteluser left but that can't really be an excuse for the length of this project)

The V7 then is not the same V7 that exists now. HU's V7 was an upgrade to V6 and HU was the sole developer at the time iirc. The V7 now did not even begin development until ~August/July last year (I wasn't on the team at the time), it is complete from scratch rewrite of all the panels, it is not simply possible to release a 75% finished site, it wouldn't make any sense. Departments would be left with less functioning panels than they have now.

[Brice]

tell som1 hoo cares cos a dont

Edited by Lee (Forum Super Moderator): Do not create pointless posts.

[Chippiewill]

tell som1 hoo cares cos a dont
What?

[GoldenMerc]

So what did HU v7 look like

[Chippiewill]

So what did HU v7 look like

I'm not sure if it was a new design or not. But from what I've heard it was profiles and general panel improvements and the HXL merge. There's nothing mentioned in the developer forums unfortunately.

[GoldenMerc]

From what it sounds like it shouldn't count as a new version more of a v6.1 etc

[David]

hoteloser was the one that requested a new layout in the graphic staff forums, i thought that was the beginning of v7? Chippiewill;

[scottish]

pay someone who will actually produce a site rather than a myth

[Chippiewill]

hoteloser was the one that requested a new layout in the graphic staff forums, i thought that was the beginning of v7? Chippiewill;

Again I can only go off what I know, but from what I can gather consultation on the current V7 development was conducted in June, designing in July and coding (And some more designing a la Zuth) commenced in August.

[Kyle]

What's actually left to finish on V7?

[Chippiewill]

What's actually left to finish on V7?

I'd love to say, but from experience it is a very bad idea as conceptions on what needs doing can change over time.

[GoldenMerc]

What's actually left to finish on V7?

maybe the question is, whats left to start

[Chippiewill]

maybe the question is, whats left to start

not much.

[beth]

HU's wasn't just an upgrade of v6 was it? he had some really ingenuitive ideas especially in regards to hxl and i hope they havent been tossed aside?!

[Chippiewill]

he had some really ingenuitive ideas especially in regards to hxl and i hope they havent been tossed aside?!

Considering I have no idea what they are or where to find them I honestly haven't the foggiest.

[beth]

I considering I have no idea what they are or where to find them I honestly haven't the foggiest.

that is a shame, might have a pm somewhere. will look.

[David]

Again I can only go off what I know, but from what I can gather consultation on the current V7 development was conducted in June, designing in July and coding (And some more designing a la Zuth) commenced in August.

yeah thats about when he asked, june/july. he resigned a few days after lol

[Chippiewill]

yeah thats about when he asked, june/july. he resigned a few days after lol

HotelUser resigned in February.

[David]

HotelUser resigned in February.

from occasional tech or w/e, cause tomferg and aderm came in when i was doing the layout

[Chippiewill]

from occasional tech or w/e, cause tomferg and aderm came in when i was doing the layout

In which case that probably was the start of V7.

[FlyingJesus]

Surely if there's no foreseeable release date for V7 it makes sense to make some changes to V6 or whatever we're supposedly running right now (no changes until V7! but here have a wiki and a new rare values template) rather than waste away holding out for a hero at the end of the niiiiiiiight I mean a whole new version

WOULD BE ESPECIALLY BENEFICIAL AS A COMMUNITY PROJECT TO GO WITH THE SUGGESTED CHANGES TO THE WAY NEWS FUNCTIONS and wouldn't even need a lot of work

[scottish]

still say pay someone who's actually going to produce

better than this crap.

wonder how many other fansites have had new versions, layouts etc in the past 2 years that we've been waiting on v7.

[AgnesIO]

still say pay someone who's actually going to produce

better than this crap.

wonder how many other fansites have had new versions, layouts etc in the past 2 years that we've been waiting on v7.

HabbCrazy has had a few I think.

[Chippiewill]

I don't see why people are so obsessed about frequent new versions.

I was always impressed that Habbox bucked the trend of ******** out a new layout every few months.

[Mr-Trainor]

I don't see why people are so obsessed about frequent new versions.

I was always impressed that Habbox bucked the trend of ******** out a new layout every few months.
But there are so many problems with the current version, that a new version really is needed.

[GoldenMerc]

Habbox has like 8 admins, not one of them can be bothered to spend some time and finish of v7. Why not just pay a coder.

[scottish]

I don't see why people are so obsessed about frequent new versions.

I was always impressed that Habbox bucked the trend of ******** out a new layout every few months.

because while other fansites are having a change of layouts, adding new features, etc we have a bunch of supposedly site coders doing nothing but saying they'll implement it in v7 (which we still see absolutely nothing of its existence, after something like 2 years)
xxMATTGxx; pay someone

[David]

HabbCrazy has had a few I think.

they've been working on their latest version for a year, maybe more

[Chippiewill]

Habbox has like 8 admins, not one of them can be bothered to spend some time and finish of v7. Why not just pay a coder.
I assume you'll be paying?

[David]

Habbox has like 8 admins, not one of them can be bothered to spend some time and finish of v7. Why not just pay a coder.

ask your gf jina to sign up and help

[FlyingJesus]

I don't see why people are so obsessed about frequent new versions.

I was always impressed that Habbox bucked the trend of ******** out a new layout every few months.

Not bothered about whole new "versions" (and is v7 really just a new layout?) but there are definite changes that need to be made and aren't even being considered because developers are twiddling their thumbs and claiming that v7 will solve all problems if/when it ever comes

[AgnesIO]

Not really Matt's job to pay - if someone pays it would be the site owners, and even then there would be no point if Hx isn't making a decent profit.

[Chippiewill]

there are definite changes that need to be made and aren't even being considered because developers are twiddling their thumbs and claiming that v7 will solve all problems if/when it ever comes

I already made a post on why we're not fixing V6:

Time taken to fix V6 > Time taken to finish V7

[GoldenMerc]

I assume you'll be paying?
Why would I pay??

ask your gf jina to sign up and help
GL she wouldn't even work in this environment

Not really Matt's job to pay - if someone pays it would be the site owners, and even then there would be no point if Hx isn't making a decent profit.

who said Matt should pay :S
Also site owners do make profit. not sure on numbers but I know they make some sort of leeway

[Chippiewill]

Also site owners do make profit. not sure on numbers but I know they make some sort of leeway
In January Jin said he made a loss.

[GoldenMerc]

In January Jin said he made a loss.

Not suprised when one of the coders messed up the donator bar

[Chippiewill]

Not suprised when one of the coders messed up the donator bar

Code on it wasn't messed up. Amount reported on the bar is the amount reported in the forum database.

[FlyingJesus]

I already made a post on why we're not fixing V6:

Time taken to fix V6 > Time taken to finish V7

Cool we're getting V7 tomorrow then I take it since the necessary changes for news would take 2 days maximum and that includes making sure all the staff know how it works

http://25.media.tumblr.com/f91a5ccfa7e5b7635a16172722333be8/tumblr_mfpk4qCBJE1r3k73wo1_400.gif

Oh look there goes your argument

[AgnesIO]

Why would I pay??

GL she wouldn't even work in this environment


who said Matt should pay :S
Also site owners do make profit. not sure on numbers but I know they make some sort of leeway

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=774133&p=7871867#post7871867

:)

[GoldenMerc]

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=774133&p=7871867#post7871867

:)

How was that directed at Matt, Normally when a site pays a coder, who pays... Do they elect a member to pay the bills? No don't be silly the owners / Directors pay for it...

[Chippiewill]

How was that directed at Matt, Normally when a site pays a coder, who pays... Do they elect a member to pay the bills? No don't be silly the owners / Directors pay for it...



xxMATTGxx; pay someone
is how

[AgnesIO]

How was that directed at Matt, Normally when a site pays a coder, who pays... Do they elect a member to pay the bills? No don't be silly the owners / Directors pay for it...


@xxMATTGxx (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=1020); pay someone

Err?

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How was that directed at Matt, Normally when a site pays a coder, who pays... Do they elect a member to pay the bills? No don't be silly the owners / Directors pay for it...

I think I understand how it works too lol

[Foregetfuhl]

HU's wasn't just an upgrade of v6 was it? he had some really ingenuitive ideas especially in regards to hxl and i hope they havent been tossed aside?!

I'm really interested to hear what ideas were tossed around by you guys for HxL in v7.

And to be honest. HxL.com has been just thrown aside purely because v7 is suppose to be coming up. We need the merge to be honest and soon. That website is so outdated and I am not a coder so I can't exactly go and make a whole new layout for it.

[GoldenMerc]

But I still didn't say it...
and scottish; is autistic he doesn't mean that

[AgnesIO]

But I still didn't say it...
and @scottish (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=53890); is autistic he doesn't mean that

No, you didn't. And I didn't quote you..

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=774133&p=7871880#post7871880

[Chippiewill]

scottish; is autistic he doesn't mean that

Autism doesn't affect his intent.

[xxMATTGxx]

How was that directed at Matt, Normally when a site pays a coder, who pays... Do they elect a member to pay the bills? No don't be silly the owners / Directors pay for it...

To be fair, he did say my name and then said "Pay someone" directly after it which would mean he is hinting/suggesting that I should pay someone to code V7. Unfortunately I do not have the money to pay anyone to do any sort of coding on this scale. If I did then fair enough. Habbox has been losing money for the past year or so and it it's mainly in regards of the Google Adverts with people blocking them more and more.

[scottish]

I already made a post on why we're not fixing V6:

Time taken to fix V6 > Time taken to finish V7

i'm sure you could have fixed/implemented one thing within two years.

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http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=774133&p=7871867#post7871867

:)

when i said mattg pay i obviously didn't mean him specifically, it's more of a 'the 2 owners are impossible to get a hold of so i'll tag the next person responsible' thing.

so would be jin/sierk paying but chances of them replying if i tagged them :P

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To be fair, he did say my name and then said "Pay someone" directly after it which would mean he is hinting/suggesting that I should pay someone to code V7. Unfortunately I do not have the money to pay anyone to do any sort of coding on this scale. If I did then fair enough. Habbox has been losing money for the past year or so and it it's mainly in regards of the Google Adverts with people blocking them more and more.

is selling VIP even against the rules anymore?

leaving the site to die is just going to reduce revenue from adverts even more, get site coders to do their work or fire them

[Chippiewill]

i'm sure you could have fixed/implemented one thing within two years.
Bit late now.. oops.

[scottish]

not really as you're still saying it's not in the foreseeable future..

[GoldenMerc]

To be fair, It'd cost at most £100 from my jina and David; wife to finish habbox v7 off.

[Chippiewill]

not really as you're still saying it's not in the foreseeable future..
Well it's either a case of fix v6 and delay v7 or finish v7. Whilst I really don't care about the end result, neither I or any of the other site coders have the patience to do the former.

[GoldenMerc]

Well it's either a case of fix v6 and delay v7 or finish v7. Whilst I really don't care about the end result, neither I or any of the other site coders have the patience to do the former.

if you dont care about the end result why are you staff...

[Chippiewill]

if you dont care about the end result why are you staff...

I meant I didn't care about the distinction in the end result of fixing v6 vs finishing v7

[David]

To be fair, It'd cost at most £100 from my jina and David; wife to finish habbox v7 off.

i'll pass

[GoldenMerc]

I meant I didn't care about the distinction in the end result of fixing v6 vs finishing v7
Surely after 2 years, there can't be that much left to go.
I mean look at it in this sense, HotelUser done v6 in say 3 months.
It takes 3 guys + You & takes coming up to 2 years and you're still no where near finished? Should scrap it then get some people who want to devote time. I mean Habbox is asking for the impossible, Yes they've had sites built for free in the past but members are going down. I still remember when Sierk offered money for Habbox Friends to be fixed and upgraded (He did a thread) how can he devote money to that (it was a good 2 years ago) but not to v7?


i'll pass
you loved her, should of seen habbic and her cuties

[xxMATTGxx]

i'm sure you could have fixed/implemented one thing within two years.

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when i said mattg pay i obviously didn't mean him specifically, it's more of a 'the 2 owners are impossible to get a hold of so i'll tag the next person responsible' thing.

so would be jin/sierk paying but chances of them replying if i tagged them :P

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is selling VIP even against the rules anymore?

leaving the site to die is just going to reduce revenue from adverts even more, get site coders to do their work or fire them

Donator/VIP wouldn't make the difference in terms of Habbox making money or not. Also, it's all good saying "fire them" but then that means Habbox will have no one to do what Chippiewill is doing.

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Surely after 2 years, there can't be that much left to go.
I mean look at it in this sense, HotelUser done v6 in say 3 months.
It takes 3 guys + You & takes coming up to 2 years and you're still no where near finished? Should scrap it then get some people who want to devote time. I mean Habbox is asking for the impossible, Yes they've had sites built for free in the past but members are going down. I still remember when Sierk offered money for Habbox Friends to be fixed and upgraded (He did a thread) how can he devote money to that (it was a good 2 years ago) but not to v7?


you loved her, should of seen habbic and her cuties

The current V7 hasn't been the same code, design or whatever for the past two years. None of the work Will is doing is even any of the work that David may have started or not. What Will is working on is all from Summer 2012.

[David]

move ads to the bottom and implement the ability to block certain peoples avatars/signatures and i'll disable adblock

[GoldenMerc]

Habbox should add the code to block people using adblock, heck even habboremix uses it and thats from 2009 and earlier

[scottish]

Donator/VIP wouldn't make the difference in terms of Habbox making money or not. Also, it's all good saying "fire them" but then that means Habbox will have no one to do what Chippiewill is doing.

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The current V7 hasn't been the same code, design or whatever for the past two years. None of the work Will is doing is even any of the work that David may have started or not. What Will is working on is all from Summer 2012.

apparently he's doing nothing if theres nothing to produce after two years.

[GoldenMerc]

should hire habbic, pay him in candy crush points and he'd legit do it...

[David]

should hire habbic, pay him in candy crush points and he'd legit do it...

buy him a WoW subscription

[xxMATTGxx]

apparently he's doing nothing if theres nothing to produce after two years.

Let's make this clear...

Will has not been working on V7 for the past two years. To be honest, I don't think anyone who is current staff has actually been part of V7 for the past two years. Unless they gave ideas or designed graphics when HotelUser asked for them.

So he hasn't been doing nothing because he's only been working on it for so many months.

[scottish]

buy him a WoW subscription

no i cancelled my wow subscription last month :cry:


should hire habbic, pay him in candy crush points and he'd legit do it...

don't need candy crush points i'm pwning buttons;

[GoldenMerc]

no i cancelled my wow subscription last month :cry:



don't need candy crush points i'm pwning buttons;
cheat.

So whos actually doing work on v7? Plus are the coders who aren't doing anything actually going to be fiyad

[scottish]

Let's make this clear...

Will has not been working on V7 for the past two years. To be honest, I don't think anyone who is current staff has actually been part of V7 for the past two years. Unless they gave ideas or designed graphics when HotelUser asked for them.

So he hasn't been doing nothing because he's only been working on it for so many months.

So what, it was a WIP for 1.5 years with absolutely nothing done, which resulted in the next 'team' to start from scratch then for the past half year (well nearing a year) and still nothing to show?

[xxMATTGxx]

So what, it was a WIP for 1.5 years with absolutely nothing done, which resulted in the next 'team' to start from scratch then for the past half year (well nearing a year) and still nothing to show?

If you want to say that then sure. But this was when HotelUser wanted to do the next step to V6 whether you want to call it V6.1 or V7. There was no code given to Habbox at that time and the only stuff that was left behind was ideas. The "new" V7 started in Summer 2012 and there is work to show for that. But we can't release it or otherwise departments would be in a more messier situation than they are now. Which is what Will is currently working on.

(David if you ever read this, I am not blaming you for anything. Just trying to explain :P)

[Samantha]

beth;, Kardan; Marketing; this is going back a few pages but are you mainly talking about the news reports on the front page currently? I'm only bringing this up as they're all mine, but I do agree, recently I've been bolding too much sometimes it might be just because some of it doesn't seem that important and I think I need to bold at least one thing per article - I'm sure this is simple to work on.

[Lee]

The pressure is on for V7 to be something really special.

[Samantha]

If you want to say that then sure. But this was when HotelUser wanted to do the next step to V6 whether you want to call it V6.1 or V7. There was no code given to Habbox at that time and the only stuff that was left behind was ideas. The "new" V7 started in Summer 2012 and there is work to show for that. But we can't release it or otherwise departments would be in a more messier situation than they are now. Which is what Will is currently working on.

So do you only have 1/4 site coders doing work on v7?

[xxMATTGxx]

So do you only have 1/4 site coders doing work on v7?

Three coders and only one does work on it. Two used to work on it but stopped for their reasons. The other is just for forum skins - Although I do believe he's working on some scripts for V7. Recursion did work in the early days but now deals with the server side of the stuff only due to his real life matters.

[Kardan]

beth;, Kardan; Marketing; this is going back a few pages but are you mainly talking about the news reports on the front page currently? I'm only bringing this up as they're all mine, but I do agree, recently I've been bolding too much sometimes it might be just because some of it doesn't seem that important and I think I need to bold at least one thing per article - I'm sure this is simple to work on.

It's not just you, it's pretty much across the board, last time I checked, I think only one person didn't go overboard with the bolding, but I can't remember who it was :P I'm no expert on writing news articles, but there should really be only one or two things at most that is bolded within the article. Or heck, just the first line, which basically sums up the article.

E.g:

Callie leaves, Lost_Witness appointed new temp. HM

Today is a pivotal day in Habbo's history, as Hotel Manager for 2 years, Callie, has left Sulake. In a news post written today by Dionysus, Lost_Witness was appointed temporary Hotel Manager, with a permanent hotel manager to be decided within the next few weeks. BLAH BLAH BLAH.

[scottish]

If you want to say that then sure. But this was when HotelUser wanted to do the next step to V6 whether you want to call it V6.1 or V7. There was no code given to Habbox at that time and the only stuff that was left behind was ideas. The "new" V7 started in Summer 2012 and there is work to show for that. But we can't release it or otherwise departments would be in a more messier situation than they are now. Which is what Will is currently working on.

so no-one thought to ask HU for his code upon departing habbox? :S

give deadlines for specific parts of the system, if they're way behind get rid of them..
once these deadlines are met, post on the forum stating it so we actually know it's getting progress and not a myth as it has been for the past 2 years.

what's been done so far?
are any parts of the system complete?
what's being worked on atm?
what's the next part of the system to be designed/implemented?
when is the estimated time to get it finished?
is there any deadlines or is it just do what you want when you want?

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The pressure is on for V7 to be something really special.

the pressure is on for V7 to actually materialise

[xxMATTGxx]

so no-one thought to ask HU for his code upon departing habbox? :S

give deadlines for specific parts of the system, if they're way behind get rid of them..
once these deadlines are met, post on the forum stating it so we actually know it's getting progress and not a myth as it has been for the past 2 years.

what's been done so far?
are any parts of the system complete?
what's being worked on atm?
what's the next part of the system to be designed/implemented?
when is the estimated time to get it finished?
is there any deadlines or is it just do what you want when you want?

Who says there was any code? You keep bringing up the fact that if they don't meet deadlines you should get rid of them. Okay then but then Habbox will be on V6 until the last day of this site. Which might sound like it will already but the whole project would actually be scrapped completely then. Because there is no one else willing to do the work.

[Samantha]

It's not just you, it's pretty much across the board, last time I checked, I think only one person didn't go overboard with the bolding, but I can't remember who it was :P I'm no expert on writing news articles, but there should really be only one or two things at most that is bolded within the article. Or heck, just the first line, which basically sums up the article.

E.g:

Callie leaves, Lost_Witness appointed new temp. HM

Today is a pivotal day in Habbo's history, as Hotel Manager for 2 years, Callie, has left Sulake. In a news post written today by Dionysus, Lost_Witness was appointed temporary Hotel Manager, with a permanent hotel manager to be decided within the next few weeks. BLAH BLAH BLAH.

If I ever read something like that opening line on Habbox I would probably be annoyed at the reporter :P.

I agree with a couple of things being bolded but mainly it should be limited to some facts and figures - like you said something that sums the article up; the dates perhaps would just show how current the news is if we got it out quickly.

[Kardan]

Three coders and only one does work on it. Two used to work on it but stopped for their reasons. The other is just for forum skins - Although I do believe he's working on some scripts for V7. Recursion did work in the early days but now deals with the server side of the stuff only due to his real life matters.

So because nothing on V6 will be updated, all future updates and content relies on that one person finishing V7? Sucks to be them, they're definitely the hero in the group then, having the whole forum's weight on their shoulders and nobody to help them with it :(

[scottish]

Three coders and only one does work on it. Two used to work on it but stopped for their reasons. The other is just for forum skins - Although I do believe he's working on some scripts for V7. Recursion did work in the early days but now deals with the server side of the stuff only due to his real life matters.

So you essentially have 1 coder, 1 skinner and 1 server manager.

[Chippiewill]

Let's make this clear...

Will has not been working on V7 for the past two years. To be honest, I don't think anyone who is current staff has actually been part of V7 for the past two years. Unless they gave ideas or designed graphics when HotelUser asked for them.

So he hasn't been doing nothing because he's only been working on it for so many months.

Just to be even clearer, I started at the end of October and I have been working on V7 quite a bit whilst trying to keep up with school work and exam revision (and until the end of 2012 managing a department, poorly might I add, sorry guys).

At the time I started the only panel which was in a usable state was events and it wasn't exactly brilliantly done. (All credit to Kieran, he's a brilliant designer and his html and css work is great but this was his first venture into PHP seriously, what he managed to achieve regardless was amazing).

During August there was SERIOUS miscommunication between the site coders which led to the unfortunate conclusion by Recursion that V7 could be finished inside of two weeks, from September until about I started all of the site coders were too busy with real life commitments to do any coding and I have been the only V7 developer pretty much since I started (Barring Kieran who is the very occasional help when he's not crashing flying a plane).

Apologies that you were lead to believe that V7 was *immanent* however things take time and situations change. If Adam Kieran and TomF weren't busy then V7 would be done back in August almost certainly but that is unfortunately not the reality of our situation.

[xxMATTGxx]

So because nothing on V6 will be updated, all future updates and content relies on that one person finishing V7? Sucks to be them, they're definitely the hero in the group then, having the whole forum's weight on their shoulders and nobody to help them with it :(

Pretty much - It is pretty **** but finding someone to do all the necessary changes on V6 would be an even harder task than V7 most likely.


So you essentially have 1 coder, 1 skinner and 1 server manager.

Pretty much because people like those don't often work for free. They charge/cost money and it's hard to solve that.

[Kardan]

If I ever read something like that opening line on Habbox I would probably be annoyed at the reporter :P.

I agree with a couple of things being bolded but mainly it should be limited to some facts and figures - like you said something that sums the article up; the dates perhaps would just show how current the news is if we got it out quickly.

Another thing that annoys me about the news is that when people do dates, they end up including the year. Surely it's not needed unless we're talking at least a year back? That might just be me though :P Hardly a big issue :P And I was never born to be a news reporter I'm afraid :P

[David]

The other is just for forum skins

what happened to this

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=768568&highlight=planned+skin

[scottish]

Who says there was any code? You keep bringing up the fact that if they don't meet deadlines you should get rid of them. Okay then but then Habbox will be on V6 until the last day of this site. Which might sound like it will already but the whole project would actually be scrapped completely then. Because there is no one else willing to do the work.

by the looks of it habbox will be on v7 until the last day of this site, so i see no difference

Well presumably if he worked on it for 1.5 year there'd be code, are you saying you asked and he said there was nothing or did no-one ask?


Chippiewill;
what's been done so far?
are any parts of the system complete?
what's being worked on atm?
what's the next part of the system to be designed/implemented?
when is the estimated time to get it finished?
is there any deadlines or is it just do what you want when you want?

[Samantha]

Another thing that annoys me about the news is that when people do dates, they end up including the year. Surely it's not needed unless we're talking at least a year back? That might just be me though :P Hardly a big issue :P And I was never born to be a news reporter I'm afraid :P

With that, sometimes I believe it's just to bulk it up more - we have a word limit for a minimum, plus I have weird quirks to put the year on. I guess I still had my Wiki head on when writing many of the reports I do :P.

[xxMATTGxx]

by the looks of it habbox will be on v7 until the last day of this site, so i see no difference

Well presumably if he worked on it for 1.5 year there'd be code, are you saying you asked and he said there was nothing or did no-one ask?


Chippiewill;
what's been done so far?
are any parts of the system complete?
what's being worked on atm?
what's the next part of the system to be designed/implemented?
when is the estimated time to get it finished?
is there any deadlines or is it just do what you want when you want?

It was not in a workable state or a state that was shown to anyone that gave that proof. To be honest, I don't even remember the full details of the changes David wanted or planned to make or even do.

[Kardan]

So there was work done on V7 back in the summer, but that's been lost? Or you guys have it, but it was just crap?

It worries me if it got lost, because over the last few months I've had staff say to me "We've got the content ready to put out, just need V7 so we can release it" and then they've gone and left their department a few weeks/months later... Is there content still around? Because I wouldn't want V7 to actually get released but then no content to put out because it's been so long trying to sort it all out :P

[xxMATTGxx]

So there was work done on V7 back in the summer, but that's been lost? Or you guys have it, but it was just crap?

It worries me if it got lost, because over the last few months I've had staff say to me "We've got the content ready to put out, just need V7 so we can release it" and then they've gone and left their department a few weeks/months later... Is there content still around? Because I wouldn't want V7 to actually get released but then no content to put out because it's been so long trying to sort it all out :P

The work in Summer 2012 wasn't lost. The work that might have been lost was when HotelUser wanted to make changes and merge HxL into Habbox.com - The first time round but the details of that is quite minimal and no one remembers what was done, what wasn't done and even if it was just a plan.

[FlyingJesus]

Not bothered about whole new "versions" (and is v7 really just a new layout?) but there are definite changes that need to be made and aren't even being considered because developers are twiddling their thumbs and claiming that v7 will solve all problems if/when it ever comes


I already made a post on why we're not fixing V6:

Time taken to fix V6 > Time taken to finish V7


Cool we're getting V7 tomorrow then I take it since the necessary changes for news would take 2 days maximum and that includes making sure all the staff know how it works

http://25.media.tumblr.com/f91a5ccfa7e5b7635a16172722333be8/tumblr_mfpk4qCBJE1r3k73wo1_400.gif

Oh look there goes your argument

Can there be an actual response to what's clearly a valid point rather than "cba" considering there are things that could be changed extremely quickly to attempt improvements and if V7 is as far away as it seems then it's certainly worth setting it back one more day to sort out some things that need urgent attention. Quite frankly it makes no sense whatsoever to lump all updates into one new version if it's going to take that long, and I for one would far rather see V6.352786 and have things doing well than sit around hoping that a new skin will fix all our problems

[scottish]

It was not in a workable state or a state that was shown to anyone that gave that proof. To be honest, I don't even remember the full details of the changes David wanted or planned to make or even do.

So basically david left and no-one asked him for his coding?

[GoldenMerc]

why do we have a forum skinner if he doesnt do anything anymore?
Plus the people who worked at the start and dont now why are they still here?
Surely your carrying dead weight

[Kardan]

Can there be an actual response to what's clearly a valid point rather than "cba" considering there are things that could be changed extremely quickly to attempt improvements and if V7 is as far away as it seems then it's certainly worth setting it back one more day to sort out some things that need urgent attention. Quite frankly it makes no sense whatsoever to lump all updates into one new version if it's going to take that long, and I for one would far rather see V6.352786 and have things doing well than sit around hoping that a new skin will fix all our problems

Pretty sure whenever you make a valid point nobody replies :P

[xxMATTGxx]

So basically david left and no-one asked him for his coding?

It was very little coding. He started making it when he spoke to Jess for HabboxLive merge ideas but Jess left/fired and then David wasn't round much longer after that. None of it would have been use today in terms of a whole new site/whatever else.

[AgnesIO]

@beth (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=18342);, @Kardan (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=3428); @Marketing (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=36885); this is going back a few pages but are you mainly talking about the news reports on the front page currently? I'm only bringing this up as they're all mine, but I do agree, recently I've been bolding too much sometimes it might be just because some of it doesn't seem that important and I think I need to bold at least one thing per article - I'm sure this is simple to work on.

I was talking generally, so I cannot speak on this topic in that sense. Beth mentioned it, so I pointed out it has been an issue before :)

Historically, I have always thought bolding has been used too much.


The pressure is on for V7 to be something really special.

The same pressure was there for V6 - and unfortunately that didn't reach (my) expectations.

[xxMATTGxx]

why do we have a forum skinner if he doesnt do anything anymore?
Plus the people who worked at the start and dont now why are they still here?
Surely your carrying dead weight

Kieran and Elliot can go as I don't believe they are working on anything but Tom + Will is staying.

[FlyingJesus]

Pretty sure whenever you make a valid point nobody replies :P

Yeah happens in pretty much every thread, I'll say something then a few pages later someone repeats it and suddenly it's a great issue worthy of hundreds of reps lmao

Quick someone c&p my posts so that Matt actually looks at them

[Chippiewill]

Can there be an actual response to what's clearly a valid point rather than "cba" considering there are things that could be changed extremely quickly to attempt improvements and if V7 is as far away as it seems then it's certainly worth setting it back one more day to sort out some things that need urgent attention. Quite frankly it makes no sense whatsoever to lump all updates into one new version if it's going to take that long, and I for one would far rather see V6.352786 and have things doing well than sit around hoping that a new skin will fix all our problems

I've already done a full explanation earlier in this thread. The issue is where do I stop. To fix all the issues would take longer than it would to finish V7 at this point, especially since HotelUser's folder structure isn't the clearest. Sure I can fix the occasional bug but in the grand scheme it achieves very little. If there are small bugs that have serious ramifications I'm more than willing to fix them and in fact the serious ones I do, if you report them in the bugs forum and it doesn't involve hours of searching around the V6 file structure I'll probably fix it , however if I start fixing every last bug and implementing all the features that are asked of me then we'll never see V7. Frankly half the requests for fixes/changes to V6 require architectural changes (e.g. adding LE rares) and frankly I'm not in the mood to start ******* around with David's code when it's not even commented.

[sex]

other sites seem to churn out new layouts with great features all the times in short spaces.... habbox would want to be coding a working dice rigger or something that doubles your furni at this stage to set it apart from what other sites don't already have. all the work seems to be going into coding staff panels to take track of how long someone is behind a desk :S i find that totally stupid lol

[scottish]

Kieran and Elliot can go as I don't believe they are working on anything but Tom + Will is staying.

what does elliot do?

I assume Kieran does forum skinning, parts of the V7 etc?

[Samantha]

I was talking generally, so I cannot speak on this topic in that sense. Beth mentioned it, so I pointed out it has been an issue before :)

Historically, I have always thought bolding has been used too much.



The same pressure was there for V6 - and unfortunately that didn't reach (my) expectations.

Looking back at some articles bolding has usually been decreased, but perhaps it might just be coming back as a problem now.

Also, I asked this earlier but can signing up to Habbox.com be enabled again or are we waiting for v7... if not let guests post on news articles.

[xxMATTGxx]

what does elliot do?

I assume Kieran does forum skinning, parts of the V7 etc?

Elliot helped with skins and also released a new skin for the community.

Kieran came onto the team when he helped with forum skins when we upgraded vBulletin. He then helped us with V7 and designed the main style for it. He also did some other coding for it and then stopped. I think he's helped Will now and then.

[Chippiewill]

I assume Kieran does forum skinning, parts of the V7 etc?

Kieran was super helpful with design aspects with V7 when he wasn't too busy

[scottish]

and elliot?

[xxMATTGxx]

and elliot?

Edited my post.

[FlyingJesus]

I've already done a full explanation earlier in this thread. The issue is where do I stop. To fix all the issues would take longer than it would to finish V7 at this point, especially since HotelUser's folder structure isn't the clearest. Sure I can fix the occasional bug but in the grand scheme it achieves very little. If there are small bugs that have serious ramifications I'm more than willing to fix them and in fact the serious ones I do, if you report them in the bugs forum and it doesn't involve hours of searching around the V6 file structure I'll probably fix it , however if I start fixing every last bug and implementing all the features that are asked of me then we'll never see V7. Frankly half the requests for fixes/changes to V6 require architectural changes (e.g. adding LE rares) and frankly I'm not in the mood to start ******* around with David's code when it's not even commented.

Not talking about bugs, talking about structural changes to actually improve the community which for some reason are ignored under the banner of "V7 is coming!!!!" when they have nothing to do with skin changes or fancy new buttons that quite honestly aren't important. The previously discussed changes to news would require nil coding

[xxMATTGxx]

Not talking about bugs, talking about structural changes to actually improve the community which for some reason are ignored under the banner of "V7 is coming!!!!" when they have nothing to do with skin changes or fancy new buttons that quite honestly aren't important. The previously discussed changes to news would require nil coding

Then surely that is nothing to do with Will if they require NIL coding...

[Chippiewill]

Not talking about bugs, talking about structural changes to actually improve the community which for some reason are ignored under the banner of "V7 is coming!!!!" when they have nothing to do with skin changes or fancy new buttons that quite honestly aren't important. The previously discussed changes to news would require nil coding

If something doesn't require a code change then there is no excuse waiting for V7 and I agree, changes to news should be implemented, if sensible.

[Kardan]

Looking back at some articles bolding has usually been decreased, but perhaps it might just be coming back as a problem now.

Also, I asked this earlier but can signing up to Habbox.com be enabled again or are we waiting for v7... if not let guests post on news articles.

Don't know why you bothered asking, I'm pretty sure everything is waiting for V7 :P

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If something doesn't require a code change then there is no excuse waiting for V7.

Does updating content already on the site need a code change? Because I have been told so many times "No point in updating it, need to wait for V7"

[scottish]

Elliot helped with skins and also released a new skin for the community.

Kieran came onto the team when he helped with forum skins when we upgraded vBulletin. He then helped us with V7 and designed the main style for it. He also did some other coding for it and then stopped. I think he's helped Will now and then.

so in his duration here he's released 1 skin(?) and refused to help with v7 or what

does he refuse to help with v7 because he incapable of or because he cba or what?

All 'site coders' are just under the admin usergroup ain't they? give them more meaningful titles.

[Chippiewill]

Don't know why you bothered asking, I'm pretty sure everything is waiting for V7 :P

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Does updating content already on the site need a code change? Because I have been told so many times "No point in updating it, need to wait for V7"

In August when I was Content Manager I was told around the 14th that V7 would be finished inside of a week and all the content needed doing for it, which we actually managed to do. We paused V6 stuff because we felt that V7 was about to launch as everyone else did. It wasn't until I started helping with the code how far off V7 in reality was.

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All 'site coders' are just under the admin usergroup ain't they? give them more meaningful titles.

Not me.

[Samantha]

Don't know why you bothered asking, I'm pretty sure everything is waiting for V7 :P

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Does updating content already on the site need a code change? Because I have been told so many times "No point in updating it, need to wait for V7"

Well it's really annoying that we have to wait for v7, I know we have coding requests from when Luke and Dan were (Assistant) Rare Values Manager that David wouldn't do yet now we have to wait for v7 when it's 2-3 years ago. What else will happen, HabboxWiki took less time than v7 to be started and released and we have over 1000 pages on there. I think more site coders are needed at the very least.

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In August when I was Content Manager I was told around the 14th that V7 would be finished inside of a week and all the content needed doing for it, which we actually managed to do. We paused V6 stuff because we felt that V7 was about to launch as everyone else did. It wasn't until I started helping with the code how far off V7 in reality was.

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Not me.

Yes then we were made to do it all again :rolleyes:.

[xxMATTGxx]

Don't know why you bothered asking, I'm pretty sure everything is waiting for V7 :P

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Does updating content already on the site need a code change? Because I have been told so many times "No point in updating it, need to wait for V7"

Content doesn't require V7, unless it's some feature that requires code. But if its writing then that can be done without it.

[Samantha]

In August when I was Content Manager I was told around the 14th that V7 would be finished inside of a week and all the content needed doing for it, which we actually managed to do. We paused V6 stuff because we felt that V7 was about to launch as everyone else did. It wasn't until I started helping with the code how far off V7 in reality was.

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Not me.

What usergroup are you actually in then Will :P?

[xxMATTGxx]

Well it's really annoying that we have to wait for v7, I know we have coding requests from when Luke and Dan were (Assistant) Rare Values Manager that David wouldn't do yet now we have to wait for v7 when it's 2-3 years ago. What else will happen, HabboxWiki took less time than v7 to be started and released and we have over 1000 pages on there. I think more site coders are needed at the very least.

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Yes then we were made to do it all again :rolleyes:.

Finding more site coders is a bit of a hard task because the majority of them want some sort of pay and that is a bit difficult to sort out.

[Chippiewill]

What usergroup are you actually in then Will :P?

Site Coder usergroup and I imagine department manager as well. I was in the Content usergroup for a while as well but when Matt was fiddling with permissions I got him to chuck me out of that whilst letting me see the content forums anyway.

[GoldenMerc]

Should use a project management software, Work out who is doing what, When etc. Kierans not always busy, He probably just uses to work for money or a site that is thankful, Habbox in the past has never been thankful and to this day is barely thankful. I mean im not sure how long HotelUser took doing v6, But im sure it wasn't a 5 minute job and even if it was, He was never rightfully thanked, yes it wasnt the best code. But its worth a good few hundred pound even in the state its in.

What I find funny is, Habbox.com was created in 2011, It barely renders in FireFox and is completely useless (to people like me it doesn't even load)
HabboRemix made in 2009? Maybe way earlier, Still works...

[Samantha]

Finding more site coders is a bit of a hard task because the majority of them want some sort of pay and that is a bit difficult to sort out.

Oh don't worry, I know that and it definitely is a big downfall, what about Zuth I think he's free :P?

Jokes aside, it doesn't help that many features weren't done on v6 when they were needed.

[FlyingJesus]

Then surely that is nothing to do with Will if they require NIL coding...

Probably not, but since you seem to love ignoring useful ideas and he was the only one who responded in any way he's the one I replied to

[xxMATTGxx]

Probably not, but since you seem to love ignoring useful ideas and he was the only one who responded in any way he's the one I replied to

Well if it's ideas for the News Department then they can be put in by the respectful managers.

[Kardan]

Right, hold your horses, I'm going to find a quote of me being told content can't be updated because of V7 :P

[Samantha]

Probably not, but since you seem to love ignoring useful ideas and he was the only one who responded in any way he's the one I replied to

Don't worry Tom, I'm still waiting for a reply to my question about signing up.

[xxMATTGxx]

Right, hold your horses, I'm going to find a quote of me being told content can't be updated because of V7 :P

Didn't we also post again within the past few months that was no longer the case?

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Don't worry Tom, I'm still waiting for a reply to my question about signing up.
Chippiewill; Would have to be him who would look into that and see if it's possible with ease.

[Samantha]

Right, hold your horses, I'm going to find a quote of me being told content can't be updated because of V7 :P

That was true anyway, when Zuth was the manager he stopped us updating v6 pages because we needed to do all the v7 work. Afterwards we still couldn't update until we were told to due to a feedback thread. At the moment though it's only me I believe who has any access to any v6 pages apart from management, so I could update the ones I have access to if I wish but I've already done so.

[scottish]

http://www.habboxforum.com/showgroups.php is there a group for site coders?

if they're not site coders then they shouldn't have the usertitle 'Site coders'.. theres a difference between a site coder and a forum skinner

[Samantha]

Chippiewill; when me and Nuxty; were management we got told we could have guest comments on Habbox.com then no one could sign up due to waiting for v7 and the mute so which can we have :P?

[Chippiewill]

http://www.habboxforum.com/showgroups.php is there a group for site coders?

if they're not site coders then they shouldn't have the usertitle 'Site coders'.. theres a difference between a site coder and a forum skinner

It's not listed but there is a user group since I can pull up posting stats:

Site Coders
['#', 'User ID', 'Username', 'Posts'],['1', '40007', 'Chippiewill', '511'],['2', '66909', 'Skynus', '138'],['3', '10425', 'Kieran', '88'],['4', '13064', 'Recursion', '67'],['5', '45589', 'hamheyelliot', '13']Total: 817
Average: 163.4

[Kardan]

Didn't we also post again within the past few months that was no longer the case?

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Chippiewill; Would have to be him who would look into that and see if it's possible with ease.

Yes, you did, I forgot that :P Ignore me :)

[Inseriousity.]

Just because it's not done isn't because they're using the 'v7 needs doing' argument, it might just be that they disagree with it.

The 'v7 needs doing' argument has only ever been used by the rare values department because their structural changes have always relied on coding. The changes that don't they work on as best they can under the circumstances. It's been implied in this thread that department managers are using it as an excuse but they're just as tired of waiting as everyone else, even more so seen as they know how to fix things if only the wheels went faster but they also have to recognise that site coding is a huge skill and volunteers are few and far between so we make the most of what we've got and carry on as best as we can.

[Calvin]

HU's wasn't just an upgrade of v6 was it? he had some really ingenuitive ideas especially in regards to hxl and i hope they havent been tossed aside?!I remember he showed me one he was working on when I was CDM/Coder and it looked really good. No idea what happened to it though.

[scottish]

ok so;

What does Skynus do
What does hamheyelliot do

Remove Recursion from the group as he's in the admin group and he isn't a site coder he's a server manager
Remove Kieran from the group and create a group for forum 'coders' if you'd call it that so the skinners can be in it

[Chippiewill]

Chippiewill; when me and Nuxty; were management we got told we could have guest comments on Habbox.com then no one could sign up due to waiting for v7 and the mute so which can we have :P?

No idea about quest commenting, unless it's already partially/fully implemented then I expect not. I though Kieran fixed the registration problem with the fix we're using on V7 for registration but I have no clue and the registration page has been disabled on V6 as far as I can tell. You'd have to ask Kieran; himself.

[MKR&*42]

Yes then we were made to do it all again :rolleyes:.

Yes I would so desperately like to know why every bit of v7 content that was done was scrapped after all the effort we put into doing those pages? I checked the place and saw you lot had to start over and was there thinking "What on Earth...".

[GoldenMerc]

Since when was Skynus a coder, Don't make me laugh.
Whys recursion in site coders, He should have the role Just-One had. Security, Server and configuration.
Then he knows his role.

[Kardan]

Just because it's not done isn't because they're using the 'v7 needs doing' argument, it might just be that they disagree with it.

The 'v7 needs doing' argument has only ever been used by the rare values department because their structural changes have always relied on coding. The changes that don't they work on as best they can under the circumstances. It's been implied in this thread that department managers are using it as an excuse but they're just as tired of waiting as everyone else, even more so seen as they know how to fix things if only the wheels went faster but they also have to recognise that site coding is a huge skill and volunteers are few and far between so we make the most of what we've got and carry on as best as we can.

Well, I know for a fact that the content department have used that :P And from what other people have posted, the login system and HxL (maybe?)

[Samantha]

ok so;

What does Skynus do
What does hamheyelliot do

Remove Recursion from the group as he's in the admin group and he isn't a site coder he's a server manager
Remove Kieran from the group and create a group for forum 'coders' if you'd call it that so the skinners can be in it

Skynus is in there due to management in content I believe, likewise Chippiewill was when he was manager, I could be wrong though :P?

[scottish]

Chippiewill;
what's been done so far?
are any parts of the system complete?
what's being worked on atm?
what's the next part of the system to be designed/implemented?
when is the estimated time to get it finished?
is there any deadlines or is it just do what you want when you want?


third time lucky

[Chippiewill]

What does Skynus do

Skynus gives feedback and motivation. He also does all graphics requests for V7 when I need them. He's specifically in the group so he can see the developers only forum so he can partake in discussions.

[Samantha]

Yes I would so desperately like to know why every bit of v7 content that was done was scrapped after all the effort we put into doing those pages? I checked the place and saw you lot had to start over and was there thinking "What on Earth...".

Don't worry Warren, I was the only one who completed a page as everyone ditched me, admittedly Skynus; said he was going to do the pages.

[Chippiewill]

Skynus is in there due to management in content I believe, likewise Chippiewill was when he was manager, I could be wrong though :P?

I didn't have Site Coder perms when I was a manager, only when I started doing coding afaik (Not a public group so I have no idea when I was in it and when I wasn't). In fact I didn't even know thr group existed, I thought all site coders were just forum admins until I became one.

[FlyingJesus]

So I'm not meant to go to Will, I'm meant to go to the manager. The manager agreed with my ideas and stated so in this thread. The proposal would also solve Sam's problem of signups which she was told to go to Will about.

So errr... who am I meant to be putting this forth to? It's apparently Will and not Will, the manager in question is already in support of it but unable to implement it without Matt's input who doesn't seem to want to touch it for no given reason whatsoever

[xxMATTGxx]

So I'm not meant to go to Will, I'm meant to go to the manager. The manager agreed with my ideas and stated so in this thread. The proposal would also solve Sam's problem of signups which she was told to go to Will about.

So errr... who am I meant to be putting this forth to? It's apparently Will and not Will, the manager in question is already in support of it but unable to implement it without Matt's input who doesn't seem to want to touch it for no given reason whatsoever

If it requires no coding and Janice is happy with your ideas then why does it require more comments from another member of management? It can go ahead if she is happy with it.

[Kardan]

So I'm not meant to go to Will, I'm meant to go to the manager. The manager agreed with my ideas and stated so in this thread. The proposal would also solve Sam's problem of signups which she was told to go to Will about.

So errr... who am I meant to be putting this forth to? It's apparently Will and not Will, the manager in question is already in support of it but unable to implement it without Matt's input who doesn't seem to want to touch it for no given reason whatsoever
sierk; seems like the best bet then :P

[Samantha]

I didn't have Site Coder perms when I was a manager, only when I started doing coding afaik (Not a public group so I have no idea when I was in it and when I wasn't). In fact I didn't even know thr group existed, I thought all site coders were just forum admins until I became one.

Ah ok, answer my question though :P.

[MKR&*42]

Don't worry Warren, I was the only one who completed a page as everyone ditched me, admittedly @Skynus (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=66909); said he was going to do the pages.

So there are hardly any pages at all on there? That's a tad crap then :P

[Chippiewill]

Ah ok, answer my question though :P.

I believe I already have.

[scottish]

I believe I already have.

answer mine then

[Samantha]

So there are hardly any pages at all on there? That's a tad crap then :P

There's only Fast Food, the one I did, we had to also make sure they weren't similar to the pages we already have.

I also did about 1/2 of the news page too, but the fact there was so much incorrect information was annoying :P. However, I don't mind doing more.

[sex]

sierk; seems like the best bet then :P

i would +rep this but i'm waiting till version 7

[Samantha]

I believe I already have.

The one about signing up?

[scottish]

The one about signing up?

I believe he said talk to Kieran;

[Chippiewill]

Chippiewill;
what's been done so far?
are any parts of the system complete?
what's being worked on atm?
what's the next part of the system to be designed/implemented?
when is the estimated time to get it finished?
is there any deadlines or is it just do what you want when you want?


third time lucky

I am not at liberty to disclose this information
More or less
Habbox Live Panel
RV
I do not hazard estimations as I've already missed personal targets due to work commitments
I do what I can when I can. The order of the panels and what I specifically code at any time is my prerogative however most of the features are as requested by Departmental Managers / Matt

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The one about signing up?

Yup..

[Inseriousity.]

Well, I know for a fact that the content department have used that :P And from what other people have posted, the login system and HxL (maybe?)

Oh I was talking about the idea that department managers are lazy and incompetent because they just hide behind the 'v7 needs doing' excuse argument which I think is a little harsh and unfair. The login system don't really count for that then seen as it's not a department (although that actually is the one worthwhile thing to fix about v6, I dread to think how many users we've lost because they can't register and the registration was a complex and OTT set-up anyway). Whenever people mention how to improve HxL, they're normally based on community solutions so they've never really needed to use it. Content, I don't count because it was an order from on-high to work on v7 pages because general management thought it was imminent and the order was removed when it turned out that wasn't going to be the case after all. So again the only department that has consistently said 'v7 needs doing' is rare values and that genuinely is because they need v7 doing and not as an excuse to put their feet up. :P

[Calvin]

Why don't you hire indian slaves like GoldenMerc;

[Chippiewill]

Why don't you hire indian slaves like GoldenMerc;

My union smacked Jin down on the matter.

[Samantha]

Kieran; fix registration.

[scottish]

I am not at liberty to disclose this information
More or less
Habbox Live Panel
RV
I do not hazard estimations as I've already missed personal targets due to work commitments
I do what I can when I can. The order of the panels and what I specifically code at any time is my prerogative however most of the features are as requested by Departmental Managers / Matt


Why are you not at liberty to disclose it
How much of the system is complete, % wise
How close is HxL Panel to being finished
Do you have a deadline for the HxL panel to be completed
Do you have a deadline for the RV panel/section to be completed

[FlyingJesus]

Kieran; fix registration.

Won't need it if the proposed changes to news go ahead :P and it'll be better to have one account (in this case, forum) that works for all commenting rather than separating userbases when we're already so much smaller

[GoldenMerc]

Why don't you hire indian slaves like GoldenMerc;

hey cotton isnt a indian ;(
NOR IS KIERAN
or u
i know your welsh but you def arent indian

[David]

hey cotton isnt a indian ;(
NOR IS KIERAN
or u
i know your welsh but you def arent indian

jina was some kind of dark skinned being though

[Chippiewill]

Why are you not at liberty to disclose it
How much of the system is complete, % wise
How close is HxL Panel to being finished
Do you have a deadline for the HxL panel to be completed
Do you have a deadline for the RV panel/section to be completed

Following the V6 fiasco of blob announcing a month away (And V7 being announced as immanent back in August), giving any clearish indication of how long a version will be before it launches is no longer allowed (Technically Matt just gets annoyed at you but you're not really helping yourself out)

[Calvin]

hey cotton isnt a indian ;(
NOR IS KIERAN
or u
i know your welsh but you def arent indianGina? I'm sure you've hired more previously too!

And no worries, I'm not indian.

[AgnesIO]

Following the V6 fiasco of blob announcing a month away (And V7 being announced as immanent back in August), giving any clearish indication of how long a version will be before it launches is no longer allowed (Technically Matt just gets annoyed at you but you're not really helping yourself out)

Not taking the piss here, genuine question; is it likely to be before Q4 2013?

[scottish]

That doesn't stop you from saying which parts of the system are complete though?

Nor does it stop you from saying the % of the system complete so;

Which parts of the system are complete?
What % through the project are you?
Which parts still need to be done (currently, obviously this could extend)?

You said the V7 imminent was a miscommunication between the team, you're the sole coder for the site and you'd be the one communicating so there's no room for error due to miscommunication

I don't see the issue in setting deadlines, hell it should be encouraged rather than your manager being annoyed at you, yes you may miss deadlines but at least you're going to have a rough idea if you've planned it out properly say you plan to complete something next week have to go out one night and study the next which was unexpected then you know you're delayed by two days and can state that

Should set partial deadlines for each section of the system and an overall deadline and give it to us, then you can give weekly updates to what you've done on the system and what your immediate focus is as well as what you hope to have achieved by next week.. if something comes up you can simply say 'oh i had 3 days of no work due to this'

As long as you're not saying 'LADS THE SYSTEMS GONNA BE READY ON SUNDAY' then turns out you're nowhere near it there won't be major issues and it'll reassure the community that it's actually being developed.

[MKR&*42]

There's only Fast Food, the one I did, we had to also make sure they weren't similar to the pages we already have.

I also did about 1/2 of the news page too, but the fact there was so much incorrect information was annoying :P. However, I don't mind doing more.

I'd be willing to come back for a short while and do the V7 pages with you if it means there's one less thing to wait for when V7 is (eventually) done? :P

[Chippiewill]

Not taking the piss here, genuine question; is it likely to be before Q4 2013?

It's a really awkward question to answer, because development of V7 due to other commitments is in flurries, generally around half terms and other breaks, so whilst I really hope not there are conceivable events which would lead to it happening. Exams and being away could push completion of V7 back by 6 weeks very suddenly.

[scottish]

Also xxMATTGxx; have applications ever opened for site coder? :S

You said people typically want paid but i've never seen habbox ask for them

Typically its long term members who get close to management get the positions because they seem trusted

Why not open apps, obviously to begin with you'd be sending them files rather than giving them access and they'd update and send back etc

So while chippiewill is working on V7 someone else could be working on fixing V6

[GoldenMerc]

I vote Calvin; to work on v6

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[scottish]

You pay him and he hardly works for you so i don't see that happening ;l

[Samantha]

I'd be willing to come back for a short while and do the V7 pages with you if it means there's one less thing to wait for when V7 is (eventually) done? :P

You probably can't due to department changes.

[Chippiewill]

That doesn't stop you from saying which parts of the system are complete though?

Nor does it stop you from saying the % of the system complete so;

Which parts of the system are complete?
What % through the project are you?
Which parts still need to be done (currently, obviously this could extend)?

None are complete, their completion depends on other stuff being completed, it's a bit of a chicken and egg situation so stuff will only be *finished* when V7 is finished. I can for certain say I'm 50% done, likely far beyond that.


You said the V7 imminent was a miscommunication between the team, you're the sole coder for the site and you'd be the one communicating so there's no room for error due to miscommunication There's certainly no doubting myself what I think I need to do to finish V7. However the HxL panel took a lot longer than expected because I didn't realise how much there was to the panel and I didn't get half the feature requests until I'd already made a start on it.


I don't see the issue in setting deadlines, hell it should be encouraged rather than your manager being annoyed at you, yes you may miss deadlines but at least you're going to have a rough idea if you've planned it out properly say you plan to complete something next week have to go out one night and study the next which was unexpected then you know you're delayed by two days and can state that I have deadlines in my head and I have given Skynus/Matt deadlines in the past. Unfortunately stuff comes up that delays me.. a lot, if I miss one of my general deadlines (e.g. hxl will be done by the end of easter) then it will be missed by 6 weeks almost certainly even if only 5% needs doing.


Should set partial deadlines for each section of the system and an overall deadline and give it to us, then you can give weekly updates to what you've done on the system and what your immediate focus is as well as what you hope to have achieved by next week.. if something comes up you can simply say 'oh i had 3 days of no work due to this'
Both Matt and the relevant department manager are kept constantly apprised of the progress made as it happens. There are good reasons not to make this public.

[MKR&*42]

You probably can't due to department changes.

Oh I see the whole merge thing I keep forgetting.

Would like it to be announced soon.

[Calvin]

I vote @Calvin (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=46539); to work on v6

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2nope

[scottish]

None are complete, their completion depends on other stuff being completed, it's a bit of a chicken and egg situation so stuff will only be *finished* when V7 is finished. I can for certain say I'm 50% done, likely far beyond that.

There's certainly no doubting myself what I think I need to do to finish V7. However the HxL panel took a lot longer than expected because I didn't realise how much there was to the panel and I didn't get half the feature requests until I'd already made a start on it.

Then obviously if you were keeping the community up to date you'd add that additional features were requested which made it a larger task than anticipated


I have deadlines in my head and I have given Skynus/Matt deadlines in the past. Unfortunately stuff comes up that delays me.. a lot, if I miss one of my general deadlines (e.g. hxl will be done by the end of easter) then it will be missed by 6 weeks almost certainly even if only 5% needs doing.

Then give the deadlines to the users as well, if exams or something comes up then it's understandable that you're going to miss the deadline but giving rough deadlines and most of them being about right and the odd delayed beats absolutely nothing



Both Matt and the relevant department manager are kept constantly apprised of the progress made as it happens. There are good reasons not to make this public.

What are those reasons?

Due to the past with this project then I'd of thought management would be trying to re-assure the users rather than keep them in the dark

[Chippiewill]

What are those reasons?
People are idiots and if they saw what V7 looked like at the moment they'd think we could launch inside of two weeks which I don't think is currently likely.

[scottish]

No-one else needs to see it?

What i'd like is a stickied thread or something which you could post in and would allow;

Main post:
- What you've done
- What you've still to do
- Completeness % (Approx)
- Rough deadlines for each part you're to do
- Rough deadline for system to go live

Then weekly posts in the thread stating:
- What you done that week
- What you want to do by this time next week
- If something didn't go to plan, why?
- If new features etc were requested then state that

[beth]

I'm really interested to hear what ideas were tossed around by you guys for HxL in v7.

And to be honest. HxL.com has been just thrown aside purely because v7 is suppose to be coming up. We need the merge to be honest and soon. That website is so outdated and I am not a coder so I can't exactly go and make a whole new layout for it.

will definitely give you a pm or something on what i can remember, i had hoped i still had the PM's but musta deleted them cause i lost management perms and needed pm space haha.


Well it's either a case of fix v6 and delay v7 or finish v7. Whilst I really don't care about the end result, neither I or any of the other site coders have the patience to do the former.

perhaps you should find the patience if v7 really is looking far off.


beth;, Kardan; Marketing; this is going back a few pages but are you mainly talking about the news reports on the front page currently? I'm only bringing this up as they're all mine, but I do agree, recently I've been bolding too much sometimes it might be just because some of it doesn't seem that important and I think I need to bold at least one thing per article - I'm sure this is simple to work on.

it just seems at times, to me, that bolded words are being used in the place of literary devices and good writing. it's like the easy option.


Can there be an actual response to what's clearly a valid point rather than "cba" considering there are things that could be changed extremely quickly to attempt improvements and if V7 is as far away as it seems then it's certainly worth setting it back one more day to sort out some things that need urgent attention. Quite frankly it makes no sense whatsoever to lump all updates into one new version if it's going to take that long, and I for one would far rather see V6.352786 and have things doing well than sit around hoping that a new skin will fix all our problems

completely agree with your final line. if v7 is looking so far off start trying to implement new things on v6 at least.


It was very little coding. He started making it when he spoke to Jess for HabboxLive merge ideas but Jess left/fired and then David wasn't round much longer after that. None of it would have been use today in terms of a whole new site/whatever else.

jess put a lot of work and the initial merge screenshots and plans looked excellent.


Should use a project management software, Work out who is doing what, When etc. Kierans not always busy, He probably just uses to work for money or a site that is thankful, Habbox in the past has never been thankful and to this day is barely thankful. I mean im not sure how long HotelUser took doing v6, But im sure it wasn't a 5 minute job and even if it was, He was never rightfully thanked, yes it wasnt the best code. But its worth a good few hundred pound even in the state its in.

What I find funny is, Habbox.com was created in 2011, It barely renders in FireFox and is completely useless (to people like me it doesn't even load)
HabboRemix made in 2009? Maybe way earlier, Still works...

agree with this post. i don't know the organisation of the department but it would be good to see the whole team utilised and doing stuff. also v6 is an elephant. barely loads.


I remember he showed me one he was working on when I was CDM/Coder and it looked really good. No idea what happened to it though.

definitely agree was shown the stuff via jess and it all looked pretty good. i never thought it was just a v6 upgrade.


Well, I know for a fact that the content department have used that :P And from what other people have posted, the login system and HxL (maybe?)

hxl undoubtedly need v7 or an updated v6! they need a revive and a refresh.


Oh I was talking about the idea that department managers are lazy and incompetent because they just hide behind the 'v7 needs doing' excuse argument which I think is a little harsh and unfair. The login system don't really count for that then seen as it's not a department (although that actually is the one worthwhile thing to fix about v6, I dread to think how many users we've lost because they can't register and the registration was a complex and OTT set-up anyway). Whenever people mention how to improve HxL, they're normally based on community solutions so they've never really needed to use it. Content, I don't count because it was an order from on-high to work on v7 pages because general management thought it was imminent and the order was removed when it turned out that wasn't going to be the case after all. So again the only department that has consistently said 'v7 needs doing' is rare values and that genuinely is because they need v7 doing and not as an excuse to put their feet up. :P

not sure about other departments but hxl need this! you can fix as many community issues as you like but they are in limbo. i truly think that's what brought the department down last year the DJs were told we were merging they got excited spoke about it on air, jess and I designed with David and then nothing...


No-one else needs to see it?

What i'd like is a stickied thread or something which you could post in and would allow;

Main post:
- What you've done
- What you've still to do
- Completeness % (Approx)
- Rough deadlines for each part you're to do
- Rough deadline for system to go live

Then weekly posts in the thread stating:
- What you done that week
- What you want to do by this time next week
- If something didn't go to plan, why?
- If new features etc were requested then state that


think this is a brilliant idea.

[Foregetfuhl]

Completely agree with Beth, all the DJs ask about certain features and things and what not, not to mention an updated hxl.com and I have to use the old excuse that we have to wait for v7 to implement those features. I know full well what is coming for the hxl staff will be amazing but truly what we have at the moment is so out of date it really has got us stuck no matter how much community spirit we drive in. I know we have all these great ideas planned but if we don't look particularly nice like other sites do from the front end it's not going to make people want to stay.

[Brice]

habox is d nxt habohut

[beth]

Completely agree with Beth, all the DJs ask about certain features and things and what not, not to mention an updated hxl.com and I have to use the old excuse that we have to wait for v7 to implement those features. I know full well what is coming for the hxl staff will be amazing but truly what we have at the moment is so out of date it really has got us stuck no matter how much community spirit we drive in. I know we have all these great ideas planned but if we don't look particularly nice like other sites do from the front end it's not going to make people want to stay.

you are a good manager (can tell this because i know for a fact when hxl lost Scott, jess, myself and grig and Logan ran it into the ground a bit I honestly thought that would be the end and you're still hanging in!!) and it isn't fair that you're backed into this corner. jess felt the same last year and that was when we thought the merge would happen within weeks...

DJs arent gonna work for hxl if they don't see it as a good opportunity and at the moment it looks tired. the website is awful. and you won't get new listeners unless you get those quality new DJs

[Mr-Trainor]

Just because it's not done isn't because they're using the 'v7 needs doing' argument, it might just be that they disagree with it.

The 'v7 needs doing' argument has only ever been used by the rare values department because their structural changes have always relied on coding. The changes that don't they work on as best they can under the circumstances. It's been implied in this thread that department managers are using it as an excuse but they're just as tired of waiting as everyone else, even more so seen as they know how to fix things if only the wheels went faster but they also have to recognise that site coding is a huge skill and volunteers are few and far between so we make the most of what we've got and carry on as best as we can.
That doesn't really explain why we're still waiting for even minor changes from ~3 years ago or whenever it was that me and Dan first saw v6, e.g. decimal values.

[Stephen]

recent low activity is actually caused by my irl and online death

Edited by Lee (Forum Super Moderator): Please don't post pointlessly.

[GoldenMerc]

Personally Jade the only way your getting a new layout is if you learn to design and code it. As I`d say your going to be waiting a while

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[Chippiewill]

Registration on Habbox.com (V6) is now re-enabled.

[Samantha]

Registration on Habbox.com (V6) is now re-enabled.

At long last :P.

[scottish]

so something that was fixed in a matter of minutes/hours was going to be delayed until next year

[Chippiewill]

Well Kieran had already fixed most of it, he just couldn't work out where all the code for the CAPTCHA was which had somehow broken. In any case I just disabled the captcha.

In reality the registration was only fixed because of doing the registration system for V7.

Edit: Spoke too soon, some awkward bugs with fixing it :/

[Chippiewill]

Ok definately works now :)

[GoldenMerc]

Well thats a start I'd say

[Kyle]

Why aren't habbox.com and habboxforum accounts linked

can someone reset my habbox.com pass I've forgotten it again

[David]

Why aren't habbox.com and habboxforum accounts linked

can someone reset my habbox.com pass I've forgotten it again

jin wanted to do it like 2 years ago but had reason not to, can't remember them xxMATTGxx;

[iLogan]

The work in Summer 2012 wasn't lost. The work that might have been lost was when HotelUser wanted to make changes and merge HxL into Habbox.com - The first time round but the details of that is quite minimal and no one remembers what was done, what wasn't done and even if it was just a plan.

I think I remember what was done. A decision was made to merge HxL with Habbox.com and you gave me, Zuth, Jess and HotelUser access to a developers forum to throw some ideas around. One thing led to another and the whole V6 system was copied over to the HabboxLive site and we started making edits to it which was eventually going to be transfered back to the main Habbox.com site. Most of the content and stuff was done but one day I logged in and the whole of the developer forum was empty so I popped up and you said give me a minute then told me to refresh and then the dev forum now contained a thread explaining that it was time to plan for a new version of Habbox and to start suggesting ideas / early specs for your department.

But yeah I'm a bit confused as to why V7 has taken so lot to come out. I remember you telling me that the merge was imminent (within a day or two) so we changed to that "RIP HabboxLive.com" layout

[GoldenMerc]

Why aren't habbox.com and habboxforum accounts linked

can someone reset my habbox.com pass I've forgotten it again

security, vB protects password with md5 and then habbox would need to know how to unlock etc. Also Habbox.com generally gets hacked, HabboxForum has never been hacked afaik. So if Habbox.com got hacked, As would HxF... Dangerous

[Chippiewill]

Why aren't habbox.com and habboxforum accounts linked

can someone reset my habbox.com pass I've forgotten it again
You can reset it via email.


security, vB protects password with md5 and then habbox would need to know how to unlock etc. Also Habbox.com generally gets hacked, HabboxForum has never been hacked afaik. So if Habbox.com got hacked, As would HxF... Dangerous

This. It would be irresponsible and in direct violation of our privacy policy.

[Samantha]

You can reset it via email.



This. It would be irresponsible and in direct violation of our privacy policy.

Actually, beforehand you didn't need an email to sign up, unless someone made my account - I didn't have one hence xxMATTGxx; has had to reset my password like 3 times. Likewise with the Wiki :P.

[Chippiewill]

Actually, beforehand you didn't need an email to sign up, unless someone made my account - I didn't have one hence xxMATTGxx; has had to reset my password like 3 times. Likewise with the Wiki :P.

Set an email then.

[FlyingJesus]

With the upcoming changes to news you won't need separate Hx accounts anyway :P

[Samantha]

Set an email then.

At the time I wasn't allowed due to being a manager, I know my passwords now so it's fine.

---------- Post added 10-04-2013 at 03:12 PM ----------


With the upcoming changes to news you won't need separate Hx accounts anyway :P

Yes you would as I doubt they would be removed off the main site.

[FlyingJesus]

Aren't Hx accounts just so you can place comments on articles though which isn't gonna be necessary now

[Kyle]

habbox accounts are used to access staff panels too
@Chippiewill (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=40007); i don't have an email since it was created for me :(

[Chippiewill]

habbox accounts are used to access staff panels too
@Chippiewill (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=40007); i don't have an email since it was created for me :(

Ask xxMATTGxx; to reset then. And also set your email.

[scottish]

security, vB protects password with md5 and then habbox would need to know how to unlock etc. Also Habbox.com generally gets hacked, HabboxForum has never been hacked afaik. So if Habbox.com got hacked, As would HxF... Dangerous

what

the way vb do your password wouldn't matter would it, when you log in your password is converted (so it'd be converted to md5($password.m5($salt)) or whatever method is used if it even uses salt value idk

habbox.com would do the exact same and check if it matches the hashed password in the DB..

so if someone hacked habbox they'd get nothing they wouldn't get from now, apart from access to the forum with the user they hacked (which they probably use the same password for anyway)?

explain Chippiewill;

[AgnesIO]

Hilarious how this thread is the 6th most posted thread in Feedback for over 6 years - the thread that in some peoples eyes should never have been created.

----

Don't really see the point in Hx accounts - scrap them. If someone signs up to hx.com, I doubt they will then sign up to habboxforum.com. Give staff one if they need them for panels.

[scottish]

Hilarious how this thread is the 6th most posted thread in Feedback for over 6 years - the thread that in some peoples eyes should never have been created.

----

Don't really see the point in Hx accounts - scrap them. If someone signs up to hx.com, I doubt they will then sign up to habboxforum.com. Give staff one if they need them for panels.

Then how are they supposed to post on news reports etc

I think either;

Shared Hx + HxF username and pass
or
Shared Hx + HxF username and different password

[sex]

Then how are they supposed to post on news reports etc

I think either;

Shared Hx + HxF username and pass
or
Shared Hx + HxF username and different password

enter ur habbo name and type a captcha to post a comment lol
idk news reports even have comments when if they have a question it would be responded quicker to on forum
the replies are always

intresting :D
good:D
nice :D

[AgnesIO]

Then how are they supposed to post on news reports etc

I think either;

Shared Hx + HxF username and pass
or
Shared Hx + HxF username and different password

Guest posts with captcha?

I think it should be one acc for all Hx sites.

[scottish]

enter ur habbo name and type a captcha to post a comment lol
idk news reports even have comments when if they have a question it would be responded quicker to on forum
the replies are always

intresting :D
good:D
nice :D

Then let them :P

Not really very useful allowing you to enter anyones name though, sharing account between hx + hxf would ensure it's the proper user

[FlyingJesus]

Then how are they supposed to post on news reports etc

News reports are going to be linked through the forum so that more people join and more people actually read the articles (since it'll be seen on site and forum together)

[Cixso]

I didn't know Matt resigned and you took his place.

I could see one reason in the next post. Staff like this making Habbox feel like an unpleasant place to be.

[Nistez]

Well from my point of view I believe this problem has been solved. Habbox has grown its audience since I made this thread. Glad to see everyone's giving their best to see Habbox working (: