Guides/Answers

[Samantha]

After reading the thread about HabboSecrets closing I started to wonder what Habbox could do, now I posted this in here as opposed to news as it's wider than that and can get more opinions.

I know that when I was a Head News Reporter I had the ability to add a category to the site and also choose whether it was visible or not, I think whilst there could be a gap in the market now for something like this it would have to be quick. If we had a category for the news team called Guides/Answers, whatever fits (not too similar to the guides we already have on Habbox) then either, some chosen people who want to write guides or anything can have the permissions on site plus the title to show what they do and then they have the chance to write it - this would also be beneficial if it's on the news system due to the seniors being able to edit any SPAG issues they find to ensure the perfection and quality on site.

It's fine saying don't let news do it, which I don't mind either way, but we have the access to actually make it live in a matter of minutes in the news system, so we can grab that audience as fast as we can, plus we wouldn't need to wait until v7.

If we were to request members to write the guides and everything, something should be sorted so they don't get everyone writing about anything, plus it could work very similarly to the way in which news works now - you post if you're doing a task to avoid duplicates and when it's done post again then the seniors will close the thread for you, check it and edit anything necessary.

Also, with the system you can comment on the reports you do so if a member wanted to post about the guide or discuss it if they didn't get something then they could.

I just thought this would be the quickest solution to try and grab the audience HabboSecrets aimed at.

Thoughts?

[e5]

I think we should have an answers page but I don't think it should be incorporated into the news area. It should be its own site/section completely with completely different staff - and there can be seniors in that department to ensure the quality. Sure do it, but don't rush into it, make it worthwhile

[Zelda]

I am fully in support of this and was exactly what I was thinking of when I read the thread.

Whether we would be hiring set people to do this under a new title as you said or just using news reporters I don't know but it's something we should probably start very soon to take that niche market now. Assuming it's fine and has support from people I'll probably get that category set up very soon really so we can start asap lmao

[sex]

i suggested this months ago and im pretty sure you shurrged it off and told me you were not allowed because you would have to put them in spoilers.

i don't think news should be in charge of it. news don't seem to understand that people don't want to read a detailed guide about about the maze, they would probably describe the maze and include every other pointless thing under the sun before getting to the guide (which would probs be an essay also lol)

[Meanies]

I think we should have an answers page but I don't think it should be incorporated into the news area. It should be its own site/section completely with completely different staff - and there can be seniors in that department to ensure the quality. Sure do it, but don't rush into it, make it worthwhile

I don't think it would require it's own department to the degree of needing seniors etc. It could be run under either news or content with a subteam in that department. I think what Sam was saying by using the news system is that nothing new would have to be added except a new category for the guides to be posted under, which could be linked to from the main nav bar so it's easily visible but I do think that an independent team should be established for it, just not a whole new department if you get me.

[Zelda]

i suggested this months ago and im pretty sure you shurrged it off and told me you were not allowed because you would have to put them in spoilers.

i don't think news should be in charge of it. news don't seem to understand that people don't want to read a detailed guide about about the maze, they would probably describe the maze and include every other pointless thing under the sun before getting to the guide (which would probs be an essay also lol)

if it happened I wouldn't stick a word limit on it probably and it would be under a different section for all that so that wouldn't really be a problem.

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on the topic of new department or whatever I would probably say it would be better to just have a seperate role within the news team for it bit like when we had real life reporters/articles staff so that they would just be doing this really, with the ability for other people in the dep to still write them as well if they wish to.

[sex]

people might actually apply for news *if* this is done right -gasps-

but you would want hardcore habbo addicts who are the first people to do the mazes.. i don't really see many news staff like thatatm
maybe hayden(is he news?) and inkwell lol

[Zelda]

people might actually apply for news *if* this is done right -gasps-

but you would want hardcore habbo addicts who are the first people to do the mazes.. i don't really see many news staff like thatatm
maybe hayden(is he news?) and inkwell lol

ye hayden is in news atm :P and yea i would hope more people would apply for that especially due to them not having to have a word limit if they did too.

not fair to say that people don't apply tho cause they do atm still LMAO :(

[Chippiewill]

Is this not something the Wiki is better suited for?

[sex]

Is this not something the Wiki is better suited for?

well the wiki can be changed by anyone... and people don't want to write the guides themselve they want them easy to find and since the badges are only there for a short space of time i think news would be better?

[Zelda]

wiki wouldn't really make much sence in all honesty.

One thing that I do wonder is would we make these news front page as well as the current habbo news if we did? probably be best as saves u having to route around into the specific section for it which would probably put people off, but then we dont have much space on the front page and it flicks through very quick. probably more inclined to front page personally

[Samantha]

Is this not something the Wiki is better suited for?

No it's not really, I find the Wiki better for guides on stacking, Wired etc.

[MKR&*42]

Would not be suited to the Wiki IMO. Its not as noticeable as having it on the site for starters, most of the quests are only there for a limited time (unlike the Games Hub which was there for a month+) so they'd have to go pretty quickly. It seems more suited to news for now, but a diff. dept or sub-division of news in the future would suffice.

[Samantha]

wiki wouldn't really make much sence in all honesty.

One thing that I do wonder is would we make these news front page as well as the current habbo news if we did? probably be best as saves u having to route around into the specific section for it which would probably put people off, but then we dont have much space on the front page and it flicks through very quick. probably more inclined to front page personally

If you do that I believe all should be allowed, as others aren't written as much as it is.

[sex]

wiki wouldn't really make much sence in all honesty.

One thing that I do wonder is would we make these news front page as well as the current habbo news if we did? probably be best as saves u having to route around into the specific section for it which would probably put people off, but then we dont have much space on the front page and it flicks through very quick. probably more inclined to front page personally


front page and put news elsewhere tbh lol with articles back...

can you not pin a post on the news thing so it stays at the end until its unpinned (when the badge not available anymore)

[Kardan]

Isn't this what the content team should be doing? Writing content?

I'm guessing this is for basic things like, latest badges, free furni etc. What you want is the most basic of guides, so people can get what they want as fast as they can, e.g:

Enter this room [Link here]
Step on this tile
Go through the 3rd teleporter on the right
Enter this code
Claim badge

Etc.

You don't want a long drawn out guide that will need proofreading and be released a few days after the majority of people have the badge. No need for another department, this has content written all over it.

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And, with news, they would simply write their article as usual:

'New badge released!'

Today Habbo released this badge blah blah blah, how do you think it looks? Read comments etc.

To get your hands on this badge, check out the HabboxAnswers page, here! [Link]

[MKR&*42]

In terms of placement, I don't think we can "sticky" any kind of news article at top (it's all based on the most recent) - Inkwell; may know.

I like what ThisHabbo (no not copying, using local resources please) did sort of, they had it in a separate widget and it works really well. But the current news system is a bit crap and I imagine nothing will be changed until v7 :L

[Zelda]

Isn't this what the content team should be doing? Writing content?

I'm guessing this is for basic things like, latest badges, free furni etc. What you want is the most basic of guides, so people can get what they want as fast as they can, e.g:

Enter this room [Link here]
Step on this tile
Go through the 3rd teleporter on the right
Enter this code
Claim badge

Etc.

You don't want a long drawn out guide that will need proofreading and be released a few days after the majority of people have the badge. No need for another department, this has content written all over it.

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And, with news, they would simply write their article as usual:

'New badge released!'

Today Habbo released this badge blah blah blah, how do you think it looks? Read comments etc.

To get your hands on this badge, check out the HabboxAnswers page, here! [Link]

news has actually got a lot quicker now since we got some numbers back and it really is not like a few days later. The fact there will be no word limit as we'd want it short and snappy also means we can quickly write something up immediately we see it instead of waiting ages and having to deal with people who need mins etc.

not really sure it's perfect for content cause they are really small anyway and that'd just make it slow again in all honesty especially when it's very similar to what news do anyway

[Kardan]

In terms of placement, I don't think we can "sticky" any kind of news article at top (it's all based on the most recent) - Inkwell; may know.

I like what ThisHabbo (no not copying, using local resources please) did sort of, they had it in a separate widget and it works really well. But the current news system is a bit crap and I imagine nothing will be changed until v7 :L

A widget could work... Simply something small on the side saying

'Latest released badge: Picture

Link to HabboxAnswers page'

[sex]

Isn't this what the content team should be doing? Writing content?

I'm guessing this is for basic things like, latest badges, free furni etc. What you want is the most basic of guides, so people can get what they want as fast as they can, e.g:

Enter this room [Link here]
Step on this tile
Go through the 3rd teleporter on the right
Enter this code
Claim badge

Etc.

You don't want a long drawn out guide that will need proofreading and be released a few days after the majority of people have the badge. No need for another department, this has content written all over it.

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And, with news, they would simply write their article as usual:

'New badge released!'

Today Habbo released this badge blah blah blah, how do you think it looks? Read comments etc.

To get your hands on this badge, check out the HabboxAnswers page, here! [Link]

yeah i agree on the last part, thats why i dont read habbox news. their news is long and boring, powertoo and beaches don't have english as their first language (that we know off) and their first article was very good. just basic facts etc. not some stupid long piece with a word count to reach lol

[Kardan]

news has actually got a lot quicker now since we got some numbers back and it really is not like a few days later. The fact there will be no word limit as we'd want it short and snappy also means we can quickly write something up immediately we see it instead of waiting ages and having to deal with people who need mins etc.

not really sure it's perfect for content cause they are really small anyway and that'd just make it slow again in all honesty especially when it's very similar to what news do anyway

Didn't we have the news/content debate a few weeks back? I voted for the merge, but the majority of people said they didn't want too. This is content written all over, since they will be creating new pages of content. The writing style of these pages is surely the complete opposite to news? :P

Either way, I don't mind who does it, if news does it, surely that's a sign that news and content should have merged... (Since news is just a specialised piece of content). As long as the guides are quick, it shouldn't matter.

[Zelda]

yeah i agree on the last part, thats why i dont read habbox news. their news is long and boring, powertoo and beaches don't have english as their first language (that we know off) and their first article was very good. just basic facts etc. not some stupid long piece with a word count to reach lol

there won't be word count for this though (and i'm also considering lowering word count on other article types anyway cause people just ramble to reach it).

if we do do this it'll literally be just write the important info short and snappy and make it easy to read and use.

[Chippiewill]

Didn't we have the news/content debate a few weeks back? I voted for the merge, but the majority of people said they didn't want too. This is content written all over, since they will be creating new pages of content. The writing style of these pages is surely the complete opposite to news? :P
I actually agree entirely, but content is presently a three man team, I don't see them pulling this off in addition to their other duties. Perhaps a department collab?

[MKR&*42]

"Silly" thing about a collab is that me and sam already work in both news and content though haha :P

But yeah come join pasta you know you want to ... x

[Chippiewill]

But yeah come join pasta you know you want to ... x
Doesn't Pasta want to do badge stuff on the wiki anyway? He'd probably love to do this as well.

[Zelda]

i don't think a collab would be best more a new-subsection in news with separate apps for it and everything, just like how real life reporters were. the problem with the collab again is as hayden said him and sam being in content/news anyway so wouldn't gain anything really. also this is best dealt with asap really to get the niche dealt with which is why it would be even better that way as me and hayden and whoever else wants to from news can keep it going till it's dealt with without much setting up needed so that some other fansite doesn't try to get the role rly quick.

if pasta wanted to join then he could just join as part of this subsection anyway lmao, wouldn't need to do other news after all.

[Kardan]

I actually agree entirely, but content is presently a three man team, I don't see them pulling this off in addition to their other duties. Perhaps a department collab?

Sure, that makes sense rather than restricting it.

I think a very important point for this though, is that it actually gets it's own content pages rather than being in the news, and eventually getting pushed back by pointless news stories. Have a widget on the side so people know that a new answer guide has been released, and have the page linked at the top of the menu. Then have a page of guides with their release dates and what not.

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i don't think a collab would be best more a new-subsection in news with separate apps for it and everything, just like how real life reporters were. the problem with the collab again is as hayden said him and sam being in content/news anyway so wouldn't gain anything really. also this is best dealt with asap really to get the niche dealt with which is why it would be even better that way as me and hayden and whoever else wants to from news can keep it going till it's dealt with without much setting up needed so that some other fansite doesn't try to get the role rly quick.

if pasta wanted to join then he could just join as part of this subsection anyway lmao

So you're saying set up a Habbox Answers department?

What would be the point in that? How would the answers department be any better than the news/content department?

[MKR&*42]

Doesn't Pasta want to do badge stuff on the wiki anyway? He'd probably love to do this as well.

That's what I was thinking, he was very into doing achievements as well so it does seem perfect for him :P
pasta;

[Samantha]

there won't be word count for this though (and i'm also considering lowering word count on other article types anyway cause people just ramble to reach it).

if we do do this it'll literally be just write the important info short and snappy and make it easy to read and use.

You must be reading different news to me as I don't see people rambling for the minimum, if they think they can't reach it they said they can't do it usually.

[Zelda]

So you're saying set up a Habbox Answers department?

What would be the point in that? How would the answers department be any better than the news/content department?

wouldn't be a department would just be a role within the news dep where those people only required to do those instead of normal reports, still allowing normal reporters to do it. it's only a suggestion but it would probably also encourage more people to apply anyway who would be interested in that but not normal reports or if it was put into content then not interested in wiki etc.

[Inseriousity.]

powertoo mentioned at the last fansite meeting that she really liked our articles so it's perhaps unfair to write the department off on that basis alone. A good idea and a market that Habbox could get into but it'd also need coverage and simply adding a category wouldn't provide that. A widget would work though. Due to the quick turnaround needed, I'd personally put it with the news department rather than content.

[Zelda]

You must be reading different news to me as I don't see people rambling for the minimum, if they think they can't reach it they said they can't do it usually.

not rambling so much but more like going into details people don't necessarily want to read for the stuff like badges etc. when people are starting to talk about what people think and how pretty the badge is and what they think about the badge it's not exactly what a lot of readers would want to read and the feedback we got from the news survey sorta does agree with that opinion really.

[Kardan]

wouldn't be a department would just be a role within the news dep where those people only required to do those instead of normal reports, still allowing normal reporters to do it. it's only a suggestion but it would probably also encourage more people to apply anyway who would be interested in that but not normal reports or if it was put into content then not interested in wiki etc.

I find all these restrictions a bit silly, personally I would have just merged news, content and graphics into a new department, just called content, and let people do what they want to do. I think quotas are a bit silly. That's why I think it's pointless having a 'sub-department', but considering that's how the departments are set up, I guess doing something like that could help.

[Zelda]

powertoo mentioned at the last fansite meeting that she really liked our articles so it's perhaps unfair to write the department off on that basis alone. A good idea and a market that Habbox could get into but it'd also need coverage and simply adding a category wouldn't provide that. A widget would work though. Due to the quick turnaround needed, I'd personally put it with the news department rather than content.

yea definitely a widget would be good, obviously I have no idea how quick that would be able to be set up though due to the requirement of this being done very soon to take the niche. if you know anything about that it would be good lmao :(

[Chippiewill]

A widget would work though.
I've just been looking at the V6 widget code, it'd be a fair bit of working to set up a widget for a news category.

[Kardan]

Excuse the bad paint skills, but why can't something like this be done?

http://s23.postimg.org/hau6k6huj/widget.png

[Zelda]

What kardan just showed would be quite good way of doing it really

How much coding actually is it will cause it's quite an important thing if it could work really, such a big niche and worked really well for habbosecrets after all, could make quite a bit of difference to habbox if it works. probably better not something left to v7 really cause by that time some other fansite will have definitely taken it up and we won't get the chance anymore

[Chippiewill]

Excuse the bad paint skills, but why can't something like this be done?

http://s23.postimg.org/hau6k6huj/widget.png


Firstly, I don't think that you can actually just add a top level navigation option, not easily in any case.

Secondly, a widget is possible but David's news functions are a mess and don't allow for this level of control.

Thirdly, I don't have your epic graphic making skills.

[Kardan]

Firstly, I don't think that you can actually just add a top level navigation option, not easily in any case.

Secondly, a widget is possible but David's news functions are a mess and don't allow for this level of control.

Thirdly, I don't have your epic graphic making skills.

Why can't a navigation thing be added? That's a bit silly? Can you replace them? Make Register into Register/Login and Login into Answers?

And why does it have to involve the news system? I'm a bit clueless in these things :P Is it not possible to just have a text box and an image in that widget that can be edited easily? And then the guide pages in the 'Answers' page would just be like all the other content pages on the site? (Although I think it was laura; who was saying before how much of a hassle it is to add/edit content pages in V6).

And that's a shame, I would teach you but it's so difficult to learn :(

[Yawn]

well u dont necessarily need a habbo geek to do it (although it would help). all they might be doing sometimes is quickly writing up wat they r reading in the thread on the habbo news and announcements thread

[Chippiewill]

Why can't a navigation thing be added? That's a bit silly? Can you replace them? Make Register into Register/Login and Login into Answers?
Turns out I was being an idiot, it is doable. Just V6 has very confusing nuances. Rest assured V7's navigation system isn't anywhere near this confusing.


And why does it have to involve the news system? I'm a bit clueless in these things :P Is it not possible to just have a text box and an image in that widget that can be edited easily? And then the guide pages in the 'Answers' page would just be like all the other content pages on the site? (Although I think it was laura; who was saying before how much of a hassle it is to add/edit content pages in V6).
Oh god, do you know how much effort it would be just to set-up a page to edit that? It'd be easier to just write my own functions for news stuff. Also it has to involve the news system, V6 as a page CMS isn't really setup for this kind of work.


And that's a shame, I would teach you but it's so difficult to learn :(
:(

[Kardan]

Turns out I was being an idiot, it is doable. Just V6 has very confusing nuances. Rest assured V7's navigation system isn't anywhere near this confusing.


Oh god, do you know how much effort it would be just to set-up a page to edit that? It'd be easier to just write my own functions for news stuff. Also it has to involve the news system, V6 as a page CMS isn't really setup for this kind of work.


:(

I don't know how confusing any of it is to be honest... I remember back in what, 2004? Trying to create my own page with HTML, and you just opened up FrontPage and edited it to how you wanted it to look... What happened to those days eh?

Anyways, that's how I imagine the answers thing to go like, would be better than losing answer guides in the news pages (especially since some guides will be needed for a long time, maybe even months - so you'd have to scroll back a long way, and users wouldn't even know it's there), and would be better than 'stickying' guides (since if we have 3 guides that need stickying, there goes any news on the frontpage).

[Meanies]

I actually agree entirely, but content is presently a three man team, I don't see them pulling this off in addition to their other duties. Perhaps a department collab?

I think it would actually be better suited under content due to the guides part of it. Okay content only has 3 people atm and I'm guessing news has a good few more, but if people were interested in joining the new department or however it may be implemented, staff numbers would increase. I agree with whoever it was said that news creating them would mean the guides contain much more text than necessary. Okay content staff do writing too but everything we do requires different amounts of text so it's a more varied style of writing. All people will be interested in is being able to read straight up how to earn the badge. Something like:
Step 1: Go to this room link:
Step 2: Say 'blahblah'
Step 3: Go in the 3rd teleport on the right
Step 4: Stand on the grass patch to teleport
If needs be, add images as illustrations as well as just images to make the page purrty.

Guides can be in their own section on the site and maybe have to categories within this, one for current badges and one for expired badges. Once a badge is no longer available, a member of staff can swap it into the expired category.


"Silly" thing about a collab is that me and sam already work in both news and content though haha :P

But yeah come join pasta you know you want to ... x

Doesn't Pasta want to do badge stuff on the wiki anyway? He'd probably love to do this as well.

Only thing is I'm not online enough to be able to get things up straight away unless if someone were to post something in the news & rumours forum and if it still needs doing by the time I get online I'd be happy enough to whip up a guide. My idea with the badges for the wiki is that they've all been and gone so they're not needing to be done urgently yano.

[Kardan]

I think it would actually be better suited under content due to the guides part of it. Okay content only has 3 people atm and I'm guessing news has a good few more, but if people were interested in joining the new department or however it may be implemented, staff numbers would increase. I agree with whoever it was said that news creating them would mean the guides contain much more text than necessary. Okay content staff do writing too but everything we do requires different amounts of text so it's a more varied style of writing. All people will be interested in is being able to read straight up how to earn the badge.

This is the issue really.

This is content, so content should do it, and it suits their writing style more.

But because that department is so small, news should have it so it gets done faster, but will they write too much?

Basically, both have advantages/disadvantages.

Ideally, I'd give it to the news and content departments and hope that this new batch of content gets people to join the content team, so they can take it over later.

[Zelda]

I think it would actually be better suited under content due to the guides part of it. Okay content only has 3 people atm and I'm guessing news has a good few more, but if people were interested in joining the new department or however it may be implemented, staff numbers would increase. I agree with whoever it was said that news creating them would mean the guides contain much more text than necessary. Okay content staff do writing too but everything we do requires different amounts of text so it's a more varied style of writing. All people will be interested in is being able to read straight up how to earn the badge. Something like:
Step 1: Go to this room link:
Step 2: Say 'blahblah'
Step 3: Go in the 3rd teleport on the right
Step 4: Stand on the grass patch to teleport
If needs be, add images as illustrations as well as just images to make the page purrty.

Guides can be in their own section on the site and maybe have to categories within this, one for current badges and one for expired badges. Once a badge is no longer available, a member of staff can swap it into the expired category.




Only thing is I'm not online enough to be able to get things up straight away unless if someone were to post something in the news & rumours forum and if it still needs doing by the time I get online I'd be happy enough to whip up a guide. My idea with the badges for the wiki is that they've all been and gone so they're not needing to be done urgently yano.

thing is if we do put it as part of news it won't have a word limit so they can just write very small concise reports as I know that's what people will be wanting, so there will be no problem with that.

I'm assuming a lot more would apply if they could JUST write that sort of thing too, and yea we have about 8 people atm i think.

[Samantha]

This is the issue really.

This is content, so content should do it, and it suits their writing style more.

But because that department is so small, news should have it so it gets done faster, but will they write too much?

Basically, both have advantages/disadvantages.

Ideally, I'd give it to the news and content departments and hope that this new batch of content gets people to join the content team, so they can take it over later.

I don't think news would write too much as Intersocial; said 2/3 content staff are in news and runeaddict99; and Inkwell; have already been in content, plus .Cymru.; edits the Wiki too, so I don't think it'd be much of a problem although having new people too would help more as well.

[MKR&*42]

But because that department is so small, news should have it so it gets done faster, but will they write too much?

Basically, both have advantages/disadvantages.

Ideally, I'd give it to the news and content departments and hope that this new batch of content gets people to join the content team, so they can take it over later.

Me and Tom have discussed not having any kind of writing in the actual guide, except the guide itself. So there wouldn't be any opinions, any asking readers what their view is etc. It would just be the guide (and a sentence saying what the guide is for obviously).

There wont be a word limit either, so if the guide is only 50 words long that would be fine.

I agree with a separate dept for it, but with the hassle of perms on v6 and trying to set up a new dept in general, it should be news for the timebeing.

[Chippiewill]

What if responsibility is given to content, but temporarily news staff get content perms so they can join in if they want, do this for 2-4 weeks then let any news staff who want to do the guides stuff join the content department as well.

[Meanies]

This is the issue really.

This is content, so content should do it, and it suits their writing style more.

But because that department is so small, news should have it so it gets done faster, but will they write too much?

Basically, both have advantages/disadvantages.

Ideally, I'd give it to the news and content departments and hope that this new batch of content gets people to join the content team, so they can take it over later.

The point to me is that guides are content and not news. The department may be small but if this is to even go ahead, hopefully some of the more active users in the community may be interested in joining the department to work on this section alone, without the requirements of updating the wiki or other pages. In our progress threads in our staff forum we have prefixes such as [Wiki] [Site] and a new one can be added such as [Answers] to differentiate. I just had a look through the last few pages of news articles posted on the site also and the vast majority were by Sam and Intersocial, both of which are in the content dept anyway so it wouldn't be any slower, could be faster also if more members are interested.

[Kardan]

I don't think news would write too much as Intersocial; said 2/3 content staff are in news and runeaddict99; and Inkwell; have already been in content, plus .Cymru.; edits the Wiki too, so I don't think it'd be much of a problem although having new people too would help more as well.

I guess :) The only issue I have with letting news handle it, is that content *should* handle it, as that's the whole point of that department. Surely that shows that the content department needs changing (in the fact that it needs more staff). It's like giving the HabboxLive staff to run a big Habbox campaign like HxSS, even though they host events on Habbo, it should be the events team that handle it, since that's their job role :P

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The point to me is that guides are content and not news. The department may be small but if this is to even go ahead, hopefully some of the more active users in the community may be interested in joining the department to work on this section alone, without the requirements of updating the wiki or other pages. In our progress threads in our staff forum we have prefixes such as [Wiki] [Site] and a new one can be added such as [Answers] to differentiate. I just had a look through the last few pages of news articles posted on the site also and the vast majority were by Sam and Intersocial, both of which are in the content dept anyway so it wouldn't be any slower, could be faster also if more members are interested.

I agree that content *should* get it, since that's what they are expected to do really :P It's just the speed that's the issue with it.

[Zelda]

I'm sorry but I can't see how it's more content then news really? It's not going to be full out long guides like content do just like explain how to get stuff and be done immediately/soon after it's released like news tend to do which is far more suited for news then content imo.

It is still very much a piece of news anyway other then it being more concise, it's about a new badge or whatever that's been released but just far more straight to the point. You do have the speed issue anyway with content definitely.

someone enlighten me please lmao

[Kardan]

What if responsibility is given to content, but temporarily news staff get content perms so they can join in if they want, do this for 2-4 weeks then let any news staff who want to do the guides stuff join the content department as well.

This sounds like the best solution.

[Meanies]

thing is if we do put it as part of news it won't have a word limit so they can just write very small concise reports as I know that's what people will be wanting, so there will be no problem with that.

I'm assuming a lot more would apply if they could JUST write that sort of thing too, and yea we have about 8 people atm i think.

That's the thing though, I'm sure more people would apply for this new role. Since content currently only have very little staff, would it not be better for them to join content? If people are writing one form of content in these new guides, they may be interested in branching out into the other two areas of the content department. As I said before about the speed of things being posted, Sam and Intersocial are both in the content department already and they are the most active posters of news articles already (from what I saw on the last few pages of news) so it wouldn't really affect speed at all.

[Kardan]

I'm sorry but I can't see how it's more content then news really? It's not going to be full out long guides like content do just like explain how to get stuff and be done immediately/soon after it's released like news tend to do which is far more suited for news then content imo.

It is still very much a piece of news anyway other then it being more concise, it's about a new badge or whatever that's been released but just far more straight to the point. You do have the speed issue anyway with content definitely.

someone enlighten me please lmao

Because it's content and not news? Pretty simple really.

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Also, worth noting that if the two departments did merge, there wouldn't be an issue right now :P

[Zelda]

That's the thing though, I'm sure more people would apply for this new role. Since content currently only have very little staff, would it not be better for them to join content? If people are writing one form of content in these new guides, they may be interested in branching out into the other two areas of the content department. As I said before about the speed of things being posted, Sam and Intersocial are both in the content department already and they are the most active posters of news articles already (from what I saw on the last few pages of news) so it wouldn't really affect speed at all.

the same would be the case in the news department anyway they would apply for here instead and I doubt people would be very interested in writing news and writing wiki as from what we saw in the merge tbh lmao.


Because it's content and not news? Pretty simple really.

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Also, worth noting that if the two departments did merge, there wouldn't be an issue right now :P

except that 1) it's news not content tbh, 2) the last time the merge happened it failed completely because people didn't enjoy doing both types if they wanted to do the other deps work they woulda already applied for it

[Meanies]

the same would be the case in the news department anyway they would apply for here instead and I doubt people would be very interested in writing news and writing wiki as from what we saw in the merge tbh lmao.



except that 1) it's news not content tbh, 2) the last time the merge happened it failed completely because people didn't enjoy doing both types if they wanted to do the other deps work they woulda already applied for it

I think you're missing the point I was trying to make. If it's a part of content and people start applying for it, it will increase the number of staff in the content department whereas news already has quite a healthy number of staff. Also, I'm in agreement with Kardan that they are more of a guide than an item of news. Okay it may be news that a new badge has been released which an article can be written about in the news category and then a guide can be written in the answers section, with a link leading to it from the news article.

[MKR&*42]

It's not snuggly (sexy word) into either category, I don't see how "a person/reporter INVESTIGATING rooms on Habbo for answers/guides and then publishing them" is any less news than content?

Content will already have enough on their hands when it gets to v7 anyway - they will have to do wiki + v7 pages, and making them do quests on top is a bit much to ask. News reporters are used to going on Habbo (/into habbo news nd rumours ok) and looking for information to post in articles.

To say it doesn't suit news is ridiculous..

[Kardan]

the same would be the case in the news department anyway they would apply for here instead and I doubt people would be very interested in writing news and writing wiki as from what we saw in the merge tbh lmao.



except that 1) it's news not content tbh, 2) the last time the merge happened it failed completely because people didn't enjoy doing both types if they wanted to do the other deps work they woulda already applied for it

With the merge, why did people have to do both types? As I said before, quotas are a bit silly in my opinion :P

And how is it news? You don't see recipes on BBC News?

And Intersocial; I'm not saying it suits news, as news could do this without any major issues, I'm just saying, it's content for the website, so... it's content :P It isn't 'news', the news would be that a badge is released, not a guide on how to get it :P

[MKR&*42]

With the merge, why did people have to do both types? As I said before, quotas are a bit silly in my opinion :P

And how is it news? You don't see recipes on BBC News?

And @Intersocial (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=86637); I'm not saying it suits news, as news could do this without any major issues, I'm just saying, it's content for the website, so... it's content :P It isn't 'news', the news would be that a badge is released, not a guide on how to get it :P

Those two are usually easily combinable. As shown in news and rumours threads where people say "follow this guide in x event and get this badge".

Wait I'm confused, are you arguing for it to be content purely because content is called "content" and not "news" then?

[Zelda]

With the merge, why did people have to do both types? As I said before, quotas are a bit silly in my opinion :P

And how is it news? You don't see recipes on BBC News?

And @Intersocial (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=86637); I'm not saying it suits news, as news could do this without any major issues, I'm just saying, it's content for the website, so... it's content :P It isn't 'news', the news would be that a badge is released, not a guide on how to get it :P

erm I did actually also suggest not having to have to do both but it was basically skynus who forced that through lmao.

the thing is I would assume we would be combining the news that "a new badge has been released" and the guide, making it all very concise as it seems a bit stupid to have the news of a new badge released separate really, in which case it most certainly is news.

[Kardan]

Those two are usually easily combinable. As shown in news and rumours threads where people say "follow this guide in x event and get this badge".

Wait I'm confused, are you arguing for it to be content purely because content is called "content" and not "news" then?

They are easily combinable, but we don't want them to be, we want simple, straight to the point guides :)

And pretty much. What is the job of the content department? To create content for Habbox.com and the wiki... What is the job of a news reporter? To write news reports on the new things going on in Habbo/Sulake and sometimes articles on items that aren't as new.

Think about it, if you wanted a big event running, what department would you go to first?

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erm I did actually also suggest not having to have to do both but it was basically skynus who forced that through lmao.

the thing is I would assume we would be combining the news that "a new badge has been released" and the guide, making it all very concise as it seems a bit stupid to have the news of a new badge released separate really, in which case it most certainly is news.

Well there we go, if we give it to news, we're not getting a guide which is straight to the point, we're getting a 'Today a new badge was released on Habbo Hotel', which people don't want to read.

This is what I meant earlier by news writing too much :P Why do they have to be combined? What's wrong with having a guide and a news article?

[Zelda]

They are easily combinable, but we don't want them to be, we want simple, straight to the point guides :)

And pretty much. What is the job of the content department? To create content for Habbox.com and the wiki... What is the job of a news reporter? To write news reports on the new things going on in Habbo/Sulake and sometimes articles on items that aren't as new.

Think about it, if you wanted a big event running, what department would you go to first?

from when I was in content anyway the role was less of writing content for the pages on the main site but more just spagging what's already been written and writing new versions for v7 in the main site aspect of it, and it's mainly for designing content anyway.

to me I can very clearly see a difference between the two after working in them both, especially news for a long time, but yea

[MKR&*42]

They are easily combinable, but we don't want them to be, we want simple, straight to the point guides :)

And pretty much. What is the job of the content department? To create content for Habbox.com and the wiki... What is the job of a news reporter? To write news reports on the new things going on in Habbo/Sulake and sometimes articles on items that aren't as new.

Think about it, if you wanted a big event running, what department would you go to first?

There's a NEW EVENT in Habbo, where you can win a NEW badge. I'm not seeing your point.

And for the first sentence, how does it make it more complex? It would add A SENTENCE saying "this is the badge you could win - insert badge here - by following this guide:" or something along those lines.

I'm bewildered you'd want to divide news on a badge itself and how to get it, it's concise and easier to make it 1 item. One item providing 2 pieces of important news suffices better.

[Zelda]

Yea literally just an example of what it would be like -

*A new badge shown below has been released today for winning a certain event.* for the opening paragraph for the news of the new thing mainly adding 1 more sentence to say what it is or whatever.

*To win it go to x room and then *step 1* , *step 2* etc to get it* for the explanation bit

really does make more sence to combine them really which is more reason for news to do it tbh

[Kardan]

from when I was in content anyway the role was less of writing content for the pages on the main site but more just spagging what's already been written and writing new versions for v7 in the main site aspect of it, and it's mainly for designing content anyway.

to me I can very clearly see a difference between the two after working in them both, especially news for a long time, but yea

Of course, how can you write new content pages without new content? I remember talking with laura; a few months back, and she had written new content pages, just needed V7 for it sadly. The content department should manage content, is my point here :P

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Yea literally just an example of what it would be like -

*A new badge shown below has been released today for winning a certain event.* for the opening paragraph for the news of the new thing mainly adding 1 more sentence to say what it is or whatever.

*To win it go to x room and then *step 1* , *step 2* etc to get it* for the explanation bit

really does make more sence to combine them really which is more reason for news to do it tbh

So that means the guides will be lost in the news then?

[Zelda]

Of course, how can you write new content pages without new content? I remember talking with @laura (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=61966); a few months back, and she had written new content pages, just needed V7 for it sadly. The content department should manage content, is my point here :P

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So that means the guides will be lost in the news then?

assuming some widget for it or whatever then hopefully not, they would possibly be combined onto front page with normal news as well for the new badge news though. more reason for the widget thing though really!

[Kardan]

There's a NEW EVENT in Habbo, where you can win a NEW badge. I'm not seeing your point.

And for the first sentence, how does it make it more complex? It would add A SENTENCE saying "this is the badge you could win - insert badge here - by following this guide:" or something along those lines.

I'm bewildered you'd want to divide news on a badge itself and how to get it, it's concise and easier to make it 1 item. One item providing 2 pieces of important news suffices better.

Here's a new recipe with new local ingredients... But that doesn't appear on BBC News :P

And I'll say what I just said to Inkwell, if we have just a news article on it then, we'll lose the guide after a day of news reports?

[MKR&*42]

So that means the guides will be lost in the news then?

Well I think a paragraph is over-exaggeration as personally I would only go for one sentence, but if someone put a paragraph (which I would frown upon unless vital) for an intro I'd have them bold the answers + put them in red font. If the answers require images it's not hard to see the guide anyway.

It would also be appropriate to put [GUIDE] in the news title so users know.
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OH my god you meant something else, gimme time to reply :P

[Kardan]

assuming some widget for it or whatever then hopefully not, they would possibly be combined onto front page with normal news as well for the new badge news though. more reason for the widget thing though really!

So what happens if we have a few active guides at once? Will they all get pushed into the widget?

[Zelda]

So what happens if we have a few active guides at once? Will they all get pushed into the widget?

erm i'm assuming cause they are smaller articles they might get more then 3 on the front page at once? they will otherwise yea but they can always jsut go onto page 2 or the guides section on the top anyway if they wanted to read more at once without the normal habbo news

[MKR&*42]

Here's a new recipe with new local ingredients... But that doesn't appear on BBC News :P

And I'll say what I just said to Inkwell, if we have just a news article on it then, we'll lose the guide after a day of news reports?

Didn't realise you meant something else my bad.

It'd be lost from the front page unless:

A) A widget is added (I don't know what Chippiewill; said about that I lost track)
B) There's a method of stickying news reports added.

It would be visible under under the "News" category on the NavBar though. If you say that content can make it easier to find, they can't. They would only be able to add a page under a category (like I said at the start of this paragraph).

[Yawn]

u could even do it on the forum if u had to and just sticky the active threads like how answers used to be

:o :o :o

[Inseriousity.]

If you wanted to organise a big event, you'd go to the assistant general manager (community) rather than any particular department. Arguing about where it goes just slows it down. It can work in either department hence why the departments were merged in the first place (interesting that those who say they were different are now pointing out their similarities).

PS. Hayden and Tom, you had to get the same colour, didn't ya. that's really confusing LOL.

[MKR&*42]

u could even do it on the forum if u had to and just sticky the active threads like how answers used to be

:o :o :o

This too is a wonderful idea :P

I'm agreeing with you for once subo you should be proud.

[Kardan]

Didn't realise you meant something else my bad.

It'd be lost from the front page unless:

A) A widget is added (I don't know what Chippiewill; said about that I lost track)
B) There's a method of stickying news reports added.

It would be visible under under the "News" category on the NavBar though. If you say that content can make it easier to find, they can't. They would only be able to add a page under a category (like I said at the start of this paragraph).

A widget would be the best method, but I can't see why that can't be used along with a content page, as I said before, what happens when we get 4, 5, 6 active guides on? Will they all fit?

And the problem with stickying is, you get 3 guides, and there's no more news on the frontpage.

And if it were visible under news, that would be the same as being visible under a new 'Answers' page, so they're the same in that respect :)

[MKR&*42]

If you wanted to organise a big event, you'd go to the assistant general manager (community) rather than any particular department. Arguing about where it goes just slows it down. It can work in either department hence why the departments were merged in the first place (interesting that those who say they were different are now pointing out their similarities).

PS. Hayden and Tom, you had to get the same colour, didn't ya. that's really confusing LOL.

Tom copied me :( I get confused for you on Habbo all the time as well, I cannot win.

[e5]

I don't think it would require it's own department to the degree of needing seniors etc. It could be run under either news or content with a subteam in that department. I think what Sam was saying by using the news system is that nothing new would have to be added except a new category for the guides to be posted under, which could be linked to from the main nav bar so it's easily visible but I do think that an independent team should be established for it, just not a whole new department if you get me.

Yeah okay not its own department. Possible within another news team, but staff dedicated to that role. I just don't think it should be rushed into that's all

[Zelda]

On forum probably wouldn't be so useful due to habbo news & rumours tbh.

[Samantha]

I noticed Inkwell; mention how long she'd spent in news so I thought I'd come by again.

I've been in Content for 15 months, News for about 24 months if you add them together and I can honestly say I don't care if it goes in news or content, it's something that could be a step in the right direction for Habbox whichever department it goes in - I know it doesn't matter how long anyone has been here, but I've been writing for both sides of the Habbox Content Departments for some time and yes there's a change, but with the experience that is already in News they could easily condense the report and so could Content.

[Kardan]

If you wanted to organise a big event, you'd go to the assistant general manager (community) rather than any particular department. Arguing about where it goes just slows it down. It can work in either department hence why the departments were merged in the first place (interesting that those who say they were different are now pointing out their similarities).

PS. Hayden and Tom, you had to get the same colour, didn't ya. that's really confusing LOL.

Wow, does the events manager not have anything to do with the big events? That's a surprise to me I must say...

And I agree with your last point, they both begin with In as well, very confusing :(

[Zelda]

A widget would be the best method, but I can't see why that can't be used along with a content page, as I said before, what happens when we get 4, 5, 6 active guides on? Will they all fit?

And the problem with stickying is, you get 3 guides, and there's no more news on the frontpage.

And if it were visible under news, that would be the same as being visible under a new 'Answers' page, so they're the same in that respect :)

i think due to it being small reports unlike the others you probably would fit about 4/5 onto homepage.

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e5; if anything it is something that needs to be dealt with asap though really cause of it being a niche that other fansites will probably try to fill if we don't first lmao

[Kardan]

I noticed Inkwell; mention how long she'd spent in news so I thought I'd come by again.

I've been in Content for 15 months, News for about 24 months if you add them together and I can honestly say I don't care if it goes in news or content, it's something that could be a step in the right direction for Habbox whichever department it goes in - I know it doesn't matter how long anyone has been here, but I've been writing for both sides of the Habbox Content Departments for some time and yes there's a change, but with the experience that is already in News they could easily condense the report and so could Content.

:) I'm not bothered who gets it, I'm bothered about where it will go, so it can get the most exposure, and I'm bothered by people saying that the content department shouldn't have it :P They'd do just as good if time isn't an issue (and as people pointed out, it shouldn't be as most of the content team is in news?)

[MKR&*42]

A widget would be the best method, but I can't see why that can't be used along with a content page, as I said before, what happens when we get 4, 5, 6 active guides on? Will they all fit?

And the problem with stickying is, you get 3 guides, and there's no more news on the frontpage.

And if it were visible under news, that would be the same as being visible under a new 'Answers' page, so they're the same in that respect :)

I agree with the last sentence, thus no department has the upper hand :P and I do see the problem with the stickying, hopefully somewhere in the near but distant future there's an easier way to display more than 3 articles on the homepage.

Well on a widget, when somebody clicked the link for "Guide X" I would rather have it pop up the answers in a small box than an entirely new page, although I don't know what V6 widget boxes are capable of doing.
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Im actually more coming onto the idea (or did I already say this idk) that you could create a sub-division thus allowing both content and news to participate in it. I don't think I'm allowed to say what this was, but a year or so ago, all news, GFX and I think content staff were invited to take part in a project - they all shared the same subforum, saw the same info and had the same perms in there. The project never got completed (I'm not sure why, maybe lack of interest from staff) but the system worked fine. People still held their original content/gfx/news roles but could work together on something.

[Samantha]

Wow, does the events manager not have anything to do with the big events? That's a surprise to me I must say...

And I agree with your last point, they both begin with In as well, very confusing :(

Yes they still very much do, but the work behind the scenes is more done by the AGM Community, it all depends what event it is though really. HxSS would be done by the AGM with delegation, but smaller ones can be done by just the department managers themselves as long as they get the ok from the GM team.

[Kardan]

i think due to it being small reports unlike the others you probably would fit about 4/5 onto homepage.

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e5; if anything it is something that needs to be dealt with asap though really cause of it being a niche that other fansites will probably try to fill if we don't first lmao

So you're saying, with that image I posted, the latest guides released (or whatever I called that green widget), would have about 4/5 times more text in it? Essentially saying 5 new guides have been released, small descrip of each, and a link for each?

[Samantha]

i think due to it being small reports unlike the others you probably would fit about 4/5 onto homepage.

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e5; if anything it is something that needs to be dealt with asap though really cause of it being a niche that other fansites will probably try to fill if we don't first lmao

I don't think more than 3 will fit, what you can do perhaps is have a link to the rest of the guides/answers too on each one so they're not really lost.

[Kardan]

Yes they still very much do, but the work behind the scenes is more done by the AGM Community, it all depends what event it is though really. HxSS would be done by the AGM with delegation, but smaller ones can be done by just the department managers themselves as long as they get the ok from the GM team.

Ahh okay, my bad then :) Can't say I've never known what happens behind the scenes for the big events :P What does the event manager actually do then, other than supervising staff?

[Samantha]

So you're saying, with that image I posted, the latest guides released (or whatever I called that green widget), would have about 4/5 times more text in it? Essentially saying 5 new guides have been released, small descrip of each, and a link for each?

I don't think he means that, I believe he means how the news reports are on Habbox at the moment.

[Kardan]

I don't think more than 3 will fit, what you can do perhaps is have a link to the rest of the guides/answers too on each one so they're not really lost.

I agree that not many will fit. But how will you link to the rest of the guides if they are all different news articles? Surely you'd have X links for the X articles?

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I don't think he means that, I believe he means how the news reports are on Habbox at the moment.

Ahh, I see. The news system on the front page is just 3 articles isn't it? Not based on length? If so, I guess you'll just change 3 up to 4/5?

[Samantha]

Ahh okay, my bad then :) Can't say I've never known what happens behind the scenes for the big events :P What does the event manager actually do then, other than supervising staff?

Like I said they're usually always planning the next smaller event like Back 2 School was more event based the first year it was held, then it expanded. Likewise with Habbox24 as long as you have events for 24 hours you don't really need the GM team on your back all the time.

The Event Management will be supervising the staff, ensuring minimums are met, updating the calendar as soon as possible constantly throughout the day for changes. They also get new events sorted make sure staff have event rooms ready things like that and I believe they're one of the busiest departments on Habbox. I've never managed events here, but on other fansites I did woo Mr-Trainor; and it takes lots of constant work.

[Zelda]

Oh ok i've just tested it and only 3 will appear on the homepage even if they are small, don't know where I got that idea from, but on the actual page for it you will get more depending on size.

the linking would probably work though yes

[Samantha]

I agree that not many will fit. But how will you link to the rest of the guides if they are all different news articles? Surely you'd have X links for the X articles?

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Ahh, I see. The news system on the front page is just 3 articles isn't it? Not based on length? If so, I guess you'll just change 3 up to 4/5?

Not based on length at all.

What we have at news is that you can choose which news you want to see. We currently have:

Widgets for news and real life news.

Also if you go on the site, go on the news tab you can click either 'All News,' 'Habbo,' 'Real Life,' 'Interviews,' 'Room Reviews' and 'Articles,' so it'd be on there too I believe if it was to be a part of the News department.

[Meanies]

Whoever it was suggesting the forum idea isn't so bad, only thing is it'd be very similar to what gets posted in news & rumours already, but then again the same could be said if its posted on the site. As I said earlier I think a new section on the site with two different categories would work. One category for current badges, one for expired and they can be moved to expired category when the campaign is over.

All it'd take for the actual guide is something like below because that's all anyone will be interested in. Example for the latest badge

Habbo Environment Day Badge


Step 1: Go to this room (http://www.habbo.com/room/62949225)

Step 2: Wear the Butterfly Effect

Step 3: Walk into the Wheat Patches

Step 4: Receive badge!

Include 2 images
http://habboxwiki.com/wiki/images/1/10/Butterfly.pnghttp://habboxwiki.com/wiki/images/e/ed/IT236.gif

and hey presto done

[Samantha]

I agree with the last sentence, thus no department has the upper hand :P and I do see the problem with the stickying, hopefully somewhere in the near but distant future there's an easier way to display more than 3 articles on the homepage.

Well on a widget, when somebody clicked the link for "Guide X" I would rather have it pop up the answers in a small box than an entirely new page, although I don't know what V6 widget boxes are capable of doing.
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Im actually more coming onto the idea (or did I already say this idk) that you could create a sub-division thus allowing both content and news to participate in it. I don't think I'm allowed to say what this was, but a year or so ago, all news, GFX and I think content staff were invited to take part in a project - they all shared the same subforum, saw the same info and had the same perms in there. The project never got completed (I'm not sure why, maybe lack of interest from staff) but the system worked fine. People still held their original content/gfx/news roles but could work together on something.

You might as well say it as I was like, what the hell are you on about, you mean the Habbox Magazine, which I believe would be possible to have a forum like that again, but I have too many staff forums as it is don't kill me with them :P.

[Zelda]

Whoever it was suggesting the forum idea isn't so bad, only thing is it'd be very similar to what gets posted in news & rumours already, but then again the same could be said if its posted on the site. As I said earlier I think a new section on the site with two different categories would work. One category for current badges, one for expired and they can be moved to expired category when the campaign is over.

All it'd take for the actual guide is something like below because that's all anyone will be interested in. Example for the latest badge

Habbo Environment Day Badge


Step 1: Go to this room (http://www.habbo.com/room/62949225)

Step 2: Wear the Butterfly Effect

Step 3: Walk into the Wheat Patches

Step 4: Receive badge!

Include 2 images
http://habboxwiki.com/wiki/images/1/10/Butterfly.pnghttp://habboxwiki.com/wiki/images/e/ed/IT236.gif

and hey presto done

same can't REALLY be said for the site though. A lot of people use the news & rumours excuse from hxf but the thing is most of our readers don't actually use the forum and so aren't affected by it and again this would quite possibly be the case with a number of people who would be attracted by the new guides stuff.

[e5]

i think due to it being small reports unlike the others you probably would fit about 4/5 onto homepage.

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e5; if anything it is something that needs to be dealt with asap though really cause of it being a niche that other fansites will probably try to fill if we don't first lmao


No, that's where things go wrong and look messy. Need to get some staff who regularly do the events, as everyone on here uses Habbo secrets at the moment!

[Zelda]

You might as well say it as I was like, what the hell are you on about, you mean the Habbox Magazine, which I believe would be possible to have a forum like that again, but I have too many staff forums as it is don't kill me with them :P.

yea I'm not completely sure how much more useful that would be then just a subsection in news in all honestly, which could just be done instead of that, especially cause it'll need to be done off news perms to post it probably anyway.

[Samantha]

Whoever it was suggesting the forum idea isn't so bad, only thing is it'd be very similar to what gets posted in news & rumours already, but then again the same could be said if its posted on the site. As I said earlier I think a new section on the site with two different categories would work. One category for current badges, one for expired and they can be moved to expired category when the campaign is over.

All it'd take for the actual guide is something like below because that's all anyone will be interested in. Example for the latest badge

Habbo Environment Day Badge


Step 1: Go to this room (http://www.habbo.com/room/62949225)

Step 2: Wear the Butterfly Effect

Step 3: Walk into the Wheat Patches

Step 4: Receive badge!

Include 2 images
http://habboxwiki.com/wiki/images/1/10/Butterfly.pnghttp://habboxwiki.com/wiki/images/e/ed/IT236.gif

and hey presto done

You might just need a:

Wear the butterfly effect (you can buy this from the catalogue for 30 Duckets).

Although that's still concise.

[Kardan]

Not based on length at all.

What we have at news is that you can choose which news you want to see. We currently have:

Widgets for news and real life news.

Also if you go on the site, go on the news tab you can click either 'All News,' 'Habbo,' 'Real Life,' 'Interviews,' 'Room Reviews' and 'Articles,' so it'd be on there too I believe if it was to be a part of the News department.

Ahh, ok :) The only think I dislike about that system, is that you will have to scroll through the whole page to find the one you want. There won't be something like:

Click here for the Environment Day Badge (Released 6th June)
Click here for the Habbo X Badge

etc.

[Zelda]

No, that's where things go wrong and look messy. Need to get some staff who regularly do the events, as everyone on here uses Habbo secrets at the moment!

habbo secrets has now shut tho which is why we need to try and take the niche as quick as possible :(

[Kardan]

And I'm not a fan of putting it on the forum, all content should go on Habbox.com

Really, you could put everything on Habbox on the forum, and just get rid of the main site if you wanted too.

[Meanies]

Ahh, ok :) The only think I dislike about that system, is that you will have to scroll through the whole page to find the one you want. There won't be something like:

Click here for the Environment Day Badge (Released 6th June)
Click here for the Habbo X Badge

etc.

Well we could do it so that the link from the navigation bar would direct to a static page which has a link off to the various different articles that are current and then just a link to the category view to show any from the past incase people are interested.

[Kardan]

Well we could do it so that the link from the navigation bar would direct to a static page which has a link off to the various different articles that are current and then just a link to the category view to show any from the past incase people are interested.

That's what I wanted in the first place, rather than having a list of links in the widget which would just look messy :)

[Samantha]

No, that's where things go wrong and look messy. Need to get some staff who regularly do the events, as everyone on here uses Habbo secrets at the moment!

I never used HabboSecrets, but I know what you mean :P.

[MKR&*42]

You might as well say it as I was like, what the hell are you on about, you mean the Habbox Magazine, which I believe would be possible to have a forum like that again, but I have too many staff forums as it is don't kill me with them :P.

Yeah I did mean the magazine.

Maybe it's time to quit some roles ;) only kidding, I'm sure most staff members won't be in that many depts. though and handle another staff forum :P

[Samantha]

Ahh, ok :) The only think I dislike about that system, is that you will have to scroll through the whole page to find the one you want. There won't be something like:

Click here for the Environment Day Badge (Released 6th June)
Click here for the Habbo X Badge

etc.

Ctrl + F ;).

[Kardan]

Ctrl + F ;).

What if somebody doesn't know what the badge that they are looking for is called? :P

[Samantha]

Yeah I did mean the magazine.

Maybe it's time to quit some roles ;) only kidding, I'm sure most staff members won't be in that many depts. though and handle another staff forum :P

Pot. Kettle. You're in the same amount as me :(.

Mine are basically the merit, manager, requests, development, but I don't mind LMAO.

So what's happening with this?

[Meanies]

That's what I wanted in the first place, rather than having a list of links in the widget which would just look messy :)

It seems to me like the best idea as what if there's 5 or 6 badges available at one time, yet only 3 can be viewed at a time. The widget could simply show the latest 2 or 3 badges with an image of the badge and some text to show the name and maybe available now or something, with a link below these then to take the user to a full list of available badges.

[Samantha]

What if somebody doesn't know what the badge that they are looking for is called? :P

They can Ctrl + F the date it was done perhaps as it should pick it up :P.

[Kardan]

Pot. Kettle. You're in the same amount as me :(.

Mine are basically the merit, manager, requests, development, but I don't mind LMAO.

So what's happening with this?

I guess someone in upper management would have to decide whether to give it to news, or news+content. And I guess they need to know if a new widget can be made? And a new static page if that is deemed a good idea.

[Zelda]

I have no idea what's actually happening with this atm but i do have an invisible category open that me and hayden were testing on earlier incase we do decide to do it like that until we get something better.

but yes what kardan said basically, will be discussing it later once we've collated more ideas

[MKR&*42]

Pot. Kettle. You're in the same amount as me :(.

Mine are basically the merit, manager, requests, development, but I don't mind LMAO.

So what's happening with this?

Damnit you noticed ;)

I'll ask Tom what his take on it is :P

Or heee could reply before me thats cool.

[Kardan]

They can Ctrl + F the date it was done perhaps as it should pick it up :P.

What if they don't know the date? :P What if they literally know that all these Habbos are walking around with some new blue badge :P

[Inseriousity.]

Ahh okay, my bad then :) Can't say I've never known what happens behind the scenes for the big events :P What does the event manager actually do then, other than supervising staff?

lol I think it's hard to appreciate just how much admin crap there is with every management role. All sorts of little jobs that need doing that people take for granted because they're done so efficiently by said managers behind the scenes.

I am a bit confused about your point of exposure though. With a widget, it wouldn't matter whether the department was news or content because the exposure is there. Content isn't usually posted front page as it's usually reserved for news so any front page coverage would automatically be a plus even if it was pushed down. Just to link above, content is one of those behind the scenes departments that rarely get any recognition (and taken for granted even though the site would be less 'full' without it) but I am not convinced that it would revitalise the department as pasta suggests it would. The hope that they would shift into other areas of content seems naive, at best.

Ultimately, however, I do not think it matters if the team is to be a subteam within a department as it is likely to have its own system of working that would invalidate any argument about writing styles, for example. A forum or a subforum in the Habbo section could provide a link between the Habbox site and the forum that has been lacking so I would support that move too.

[Samantha]

What if they don't know the date? :P What if they literally know that all these Habbos are walking around with some new blue badge :P

I'm not sure, stop making me answer stuff I'm ill!

Maybe they can post on the forum asking about it, and someone can direct them to that guide ;)?

[Zelda]

Yea the static page would make sence really instead of people having to search for stuff etc, cause i'm assuming in a lot of cases they won't know. They could probably search dates to get a rough idea where to look on the static page at least though as they will probably have a rough idea of when it was released

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O sorry if someone has already posted this but what about a thread on hxf somewhere that's locked but it auto edits the links to each new one into it saying what the badge is or whatever and the date too , (or we can edit it in instead ourselves as soon as we can get it) and then have a link on the main page that links to it as a page instead to link between all the articles for when they come off the pages

[Kardan]

lol I think it's hard to appreciate just how much admin crap there is with every management role. All sorts of little jobs that need doing that people take for granted because they're done so efficiently by said managers behind the scenes.

I am a bit confused about your point of exposure though. With a widget, it wouldn't matter whether the department was news or content because the exposure is there. Content isn't usually posted front page as it's usually reserved for news so any front page coverage would automatically be a plus even if it was pushed down. Just to link above, content is one of those behind the scenes departments that rarely get any recognition (and taken for granted even though the site would be less 'full' without it) but I am not convinced that it would revitalise the department as pasta suggests it would. The hope that they would shift into other areas of content seems naive, at best.

Ultimately, however, I do not think it matters if the team is to be a subteam within a department as it is likely to have its own system of working that would invalidate any argument about writing styles, for example. A forum or a subforum in the Habbo section could provide a link between the Habbox site and the forum that has been lacking so I would support that move too.

Ultimately if news or content had it, I'd still want it as a widget and a page (whether that's a news sub-category with links, or a new link on the top of the nav).

I'm not bothered if news gets it, or if content gets it, or if news+content gets it in the end, I'm just bothered that people are saying it's not content :P

[Inseriousity.]

I'm sure they're not saying it's not content in the broad sense of the term (both departments used to have agm (content), for example), just fighting their corner as to why it would suit better for the news department and not the content department. Yes, a widget and a link on the navigator would be the essential exposure needed. To hide it away in a subcategory would be to consign it to dust before it'd even started imo.

[Grig]

News does not equate to guides, it should be the Content Department's job. News means current affairs, come on. It needs serious work and if you think guides should be news, I think you should open a dictionary.

News needs way more things to work on than this. I am fully against the news department doing this because it simply makes no sense.

[Kardan]

News does not equate to guides, it should be the Content Department's job. News means current affairs, come on. It needs serious work and if you think guides should be news, I think you should open a dictionary.

News needs way more things to work on than this. I am fully against the news department doing this because it simply makes no sense.

The only reason that I would give it to news over content is that news has more people, which means it is likely to be done quicker (but that point gets negated because most content designers are in news).

[Grig]

The only reason that I would give it to news over content is that news has more people, which means it is likely to be done quicker (but that point gets negated because most content designers are in news).

That is not news' problem. News has much more important things to focus on, which is lacking at the moment. If you like me to list them out, I'd me more than happy to. But that is a really silly reason. From my experience, news has many more important issues to focus on and I was always against this.

Paraphrasing articles seems like a monotonous norm for the department nowadays.

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For those wondering,

- News is paraphrased and boring.

- Real life news should have been removed long ago and replaced with specialist reports that myself and Martin were successful at.

- Lot's of extremely boring articles. Reading through them is like paint drying on the wall. Only Sam seems to be putting in the effort of actually going beyond borders.

- International hotels seem to take priority over Habbo.com

- SPAG errors are prevelant majorly until the article is edited, even beyond that it seems dry.


I hate being negative, I really do. But to say this should be taken on by a department, in which fundamental problems need taken care of is not right. OED on news says differently.

[Samantha]

That is not news' problem. News has much more important things to focus on, which is lacking at the moment. If you like me to list them out, I'd me more than happy to. But that is a really silly reason. From my experience, news has many more important issues to focus on and I was always against this.

Paraphrasing articles seems like a monotonous norm for the department nowadays.

---------- Post added 07-06-2013 at 05:35 AM ----------

For those wondering,

- News is paraphrased and boring.

- Real life news should have been removed long ago and replaced with specialist reports that myself and Martin were successful at.

- Lot's of extremely boring articles. Reading through them is like paint drying on the wall. Only Sam seems to be putting in the effort of actually going beyond borders.

- International hotels seem to take priority over Habbo.com

- SPAG errors are prevelant majorly until the article is edited, even beyond that it seems dry.


I hate being negative, I really do. But to say this should be taken on by a department, in which fundamental problems need taken care of is not right. OED on news says differently.

Some of those I do agree with and me stepping down also proved a point really I thought, as I spoke to you about minimally.

Like I said, I don't care where it goes it's just something that could provide more members for Habbox which we need to try and get.

[Grig]

Some of those I do agree with and me stepping down also proved a point really I thought, as I spoke to you about minimally.

Like I said, I don't care where it goes it's just something that could provide more members for Habbox which we need to try and get.

Without a doubt a very nice idea, but news should not be taking this on, but rather content :p.

[Zelda]

I have noticed international hotels taking over a little so I have actually asked Hayden to lay off those a bit lmao.

from what I have seen the amount of spag errors before we edit has been getting slightly better, but with the current situation of some new people making up about 1/2 the dep it's inevitable that there will be more errors just cause they are new really.

I really am in support of it just cause of the bringing of more members though especially cause it worked for habbosecrets so well.

the real life I dunno with really, like I do enjoy reading them when someone posts them but they aren't posted massively much anymore, but again we do get staff from time to time who have taken an interest in posting real life quite a bit, not really doing any harm by being there imo.

[Samantha]

I have noticed international hotels taking over a little so I have actually asked Hayden to lay off those a bit lmao.

from what I have seen the amount of spag errors before we edit has been getting slightly better, but with the current situation of some new people making up about 1/2 the dep it's inevitable that there will be more errors just cause they are new really.

I really am in support of it just cause of the bringing of more members though especially cause it worked for habbosecrets so well.

the real life I dunno with really, like I do enjoy reading them when someone posts them but they aren't posted massively much anymore, but again we do get staff from time to time who have taken an interest in posting real life quite a bit, not really doing any harm by being there imo.

No offence, but where have you been?

[Grig]

I have noticed international hotels taking over a little so I have actually asked Hayden to lay off those a bit lmao.

from what I have seen the amount of spag errors before we edit has been getting slightly better, but with the current situation of some new people making up about 1/2 the dep it's inevitable that there will be more errors just cause they are new really.

I really am in support of it just cause of the bringing of more members though especially cause it worked for habbosecrets so well.

the real life I dunno with really, like I do enjoy reading them when someone posts them but they aren't posted massively much anymore, but again we do get staff from time to time who have taken an interest in posting real life quite a bit, not really doing any harm by being there imo.

Yeh, I get you Jan, never an attack on you. But like I always used to question, what makes Habbox News different. Real life news is great, but many turn them into editorials or reviews of technology and entertainment like it was before. Re-phrasing real life stories brings nothing new and for news to be relevant nowadays, it needs something unique like that :P.

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No offence, but where have you been?

Yeh, I agree and noticed it's pretty slow.

[Tom]

Not even going to read this thread, I've had a very, very basic Tl;DR though.

All I can say is, didn't you all argue that your writing style was completely differents? So if you can't write content for Habbox (which, may I add, includes Guides) then surely you can't write them as part as news as you can't write in that style? Or are you going to admit that's ******** like I first thought? :P

[Samantha]

Not even going to read this thread, I've had a very, very basic Tl;DR though.

All I can say is, didn't you all argue that your writing style was completely differents? So if you can't write content for Habbox (which, may I add, includes Guides) then surely you can't write them as part as news as you can't write in that style? Or are you going to admit that's ******** like I first thought? :P

What we said was that those that are in news now: Inkwell, Intersocial, .Cymru., Runeaddict99 and myself have all been in Content or have written for it therefore would know, although I don't really want to write guides like that as I'm not really a fanatic about that side of Habbo.

[Zelda]

No offence, but where have you been?

i meant for non-new people to the dep :P


Yeh, I get you Jan, never an attack on you. But like I always used to question, what makes Habbox News different. Real life news is great, but many turn them into editorials or reviews of technology and entertainment like it was before. Re-phrasing real life stories brings nothing new and for news to be relevant nowadays, it needs something unique like that :P.



yea i do agree on that really, not really had any real life articles done atm anyway at least for that to happen lmao. be nice if there could be more unique ones like the tiger bread and salty cheese really cause they actually make for an entertaining read lmao

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Not even going to read this thread, I've had a very, very basic Tl;DR though.

All I can say is, didn't you all argue that your writing style was completely differents? So if you can't write content for Habbox (which, may I add, includes Guides) then surely you can't write them as part as news as you can't write in that style? Or are you going to admit that's ******** like I first thought? :P

guides as in what we are on about are very similar to current news anyway though, it's literally going to be cut out the non-necessary bits from a badge report and make it as concise as possible so that it just says this badge has been released and how to get it (and for the case of those who don't tell you how to get it in their reports to add that too). wouldn't really call it similar to the wiki work etc lmao

[Tom]

What we said was that those that are in news now: Inkwell, Intersocial, .Cymru., Runeaddict99 and myself have all been in Content or have written for it therefore would know, although I don't really want to write guides like that as I'm not really a fanatic about that side of Habbo.

Okay... so let's think about the future of News. When news staff come in (who obviously won't be able to write in both styles because they're not adaptable AT ALL) what are you going to do? Just say they don't need to do them? That's a bit unfair. Content have always done guides and it should really stay that way. All the people you want to do the guides are in the Content Department anyway like you said. Bar a couple.

[Meanies]

What we said was that those that are in news now: Inkwell, Intersocial, .Cymru., Runeaddict99 and myself have all been in Content or have written for it therefore would know, although I don't really want to write guides like that as I'm not really a fanatic about that side of Habbo.

And what was the reason for the others leaving content? To me it seems like it may be the difference in writing style?

[Samantha]

i meant for non-new people to the dep :P



yea i do agree on that really, not really had any real life articles done atm anyway at least for that to happen lmao. be nice if there could be more unique ones like the tiger bread and salty cheese really cause they actually make for an entertaining read lmao

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guides as in what we are on about are very similar to current news anyway though, it's literally going to be cut out the non-necessary bits from a badge report and make it as concise as possible so that it just says this badge has been released and how to get it (and for the case of those who don't tell you how to get it in their reports to add that too). wouldn't really call it similar to the wiki work etc lmao

Nope you're still incorrect about that, there are people who have been there long enough to know SPAG yet they don't.

[Zelda]

And what was the reason for the others leaving content? To me it seems like it may be the difference in writing style?

for me it was not enjoying either the site or wiki work at all found it really boring and dry which is why i wouldnt return with the guides thing unless I could just do that.

i believe was also same reason for .cymru./Shoned

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Skynus; thing is though it's not going to be a forced min cause it'll just be a sub-section asusming that's what happens not some other way, so that other people from the normal news can still contribute to if they wish (but the people who are in that sub-section will have that as their min instead)

[Grig]

Okay... so let's think about the future of News. When news staff come in (who obviously won't be able to write in both styles because they're not adaptable AT ALL) what are you going to do? Just say they don't need to do them? That's a bit unfair. Content have always done guides and it should really stay that way. All the people you want to do the guides are in the Content Department anyway like you said. Bar a couple.

That's exactly my point. It shouldn't really be a debate at all.

[Meanies]

Also, if content were to take hold of this new idea, it could work hand-in-hand with the wiki when we get badge information added onto there as when a member of staff has created the guide, they can then go and edit the relevant badge page on the wiki to include the information on how users were able to earn the badge with the knowledge still fresh in their mind

[Samantha]

Okay... so let's think about the future of News. When news staff come in (who obviously won't be able to write in both styles because they're not adaptable AT ALL) what are you going to do? Just say they don't need to do them? That's a bit unfair. Content have always done guides and it should really stay that way. All the people you want to do the guides are in the Content Department anyway like you said. Bar a couple.

I never said they weren't adaptable, I said and I will still say they're different styles.

They shouldn't need to do guides if they don't want to? If it's coming to news or content I don't expect to be writing them, there's a difference really isn't there as guides about something happening on Habbo currently are more suited to the community rather than content? Like I said though I don't mind which department if any does it.

[Grig]

for me it was not enjoying either the site or wiki work at all found it really boring and dry which is why i wouldnt return with the guides thing unless I could just do that.

i believe was also same reason for .cymru./Shoned

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Skynus; thing is though it's not going to be a forced min cause it'll just be a sub-section asusming that's what happens not some other way, so that other people from the normal news can still contribute to if they wish (but the people who are in that sub-section will have that as their min instead)

Can we please go back to the definition of 'news'. I keep emphasizing that.

[Zelda]

Nope you're still incorrect about that, there are people who have been there long enough to know SPAG yet they don't.

just forget i said that then lmao. I personally can see an improvement myself, Hayden and Jade for instance but oh well :(

[Samantha]

And what was the reason for the others leaving content? To me it seems like it may be the difference in writing style?

I believe Ryan may have resigned due to too many roles.

[Meanies]

for me it was not enjoying either the site or wiki work at all found it really boring and dry which is why i wouldnt return with the guides thing unless I could just do that.

i believe was also same reason for .cymru./Shoned



But the site side of the department is guide work the majority of the time (or was when I was part of it in the past)

[Zelda]

But the site side of the department is guide work the majority of the time (or was when I was part of it in the past)

all i found myself doing was spagging and updating info tbh when I was there. any guide work too would have needed like gifs/videos etc and coding which i wasn't really able to do anyway so I really was just stuck with that lmfao

[Samantha]

just forget i said that then lmao. I personally can see an improvement myself, Hayden and Jade for instance but oh well :(

It took a few too many edit PMs to prove it though, I can't see an improvement, well especially in the admin side it's still appalling as if I didn't do it, then it didn't get done. Also, the ones you named one of them has improved slightly, but there are reasons why I won't go into why they're not the best in the department.

Any decisions on who is taking over it then?

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But the site side of the department is guide work the majority of the time (or was when I was part of it in the past)

I agree and disagree, I have access to some department pages, Fast Food and an events page, one of them is more guide like I agree, but there are a few that aren't though. The guides I stay clear of too though, mainly the same reason as Inkwell.

[xxMATTGxx]

This sounds more of a role for content rather than news with every new post. (By all means work together if needed)

[MKR&*42]

Why can it simply not go into a separate subforum, which both content and news could view (and if someone who wasn't in those depts wanted to join it, just be given a new role) simply like the magazine did.

Honest to God people whine that news should try and be more up to date and improve, and when someone tries they claim another department to do it.

As news is a "specialised type of content" (to quote Kardan more or less), this job would be a "specialised type of content", so there is no reason not to shove it into its own department which news + content have access to, because both are equally capable of doing it.

BOLDED EVERYTHING IN RAGE

[Grig]

It took a few too many edit PMs to prove it though, I can't see an improvement, well especially in the admin side it's still appalling as if I didn't do it, then it didn't get done. Also, the ones you named one of them has improved slightly, but there are reasons why I won't go into why they're not the best in the department.

Any decisions on who is taking over it then?

Fully agree, I think the qualifications have become much too easy. Anyone who can make paint dry in a wall moderately good can be in nowadays. But the fact is and I really want Hx News to do well, as it's always been a 'baby' of mine as per say, is that it is the wrong direction to go in. I have not seen interesting articles posted recently, in retrospect, I've even see articles about international hotels take priority over Habbo.com.

If that's the ethos, why should people even bother reading news on Habbox.

[xxMATTGxx]

Why can it simply not go into a separate subforum, which both content and news could view (and if someone who wasn't in those depts wanted to join it, just be given a new role) simply like the magazine did.

Honest to God people whine that news should try and be more up to date and improve, and when someone tries they claim another department to do it.

As news is a "specialised type of content" (to quote Kardan more or less), this job would be a "specialised type of content", so there is no reason not to shove it into its own department which news + content have access to, because both are equally capable of doing it.

BOLDED EVERYTHING IN RAGE

So you are basically asking for a separate department? Not fully but you are with people who aren't in news or content to have a brand new role.

[Grig]

Why can it simply not go into a separate subforum, which both content and news could view (and if someone who wasn't in those depts wanted to join it, just be given a new role) simply like the magazine did.

Honest to God people whine that news should try and be more up to date and improve, and when someone tries they claim another department to do it.

As news is a "specialised type of content" (to quote Kardan more or less), this job would be a "specialised type of content", so there is no reason not to shove it into its own department which news + content have access to, because both are equally capable of doing it.

BOLDED EVERYTHING IN RAGE

Because news has more crucial issues to tackle.....:rolleyes:

[Zelda]

Fully agree, I think the qualifications have become much too easy. Anyone who can make paint dry in a wall moderately good can be in nowadays. But the fact is and I really want Hx News to do well, as it's always been a 'baby' of mine as per say, is that it is the wrong direction to go in. I have not seen interesting articles posted recently, in retrospect, I've even see articles about international hotels take priority over Habbo.com.

If that's the ethos, why should people even bother reading news on Habbox.

no article has actually taken any priority over .com that is international, hayden has actually checked everytime to make sure there was nothing else before he writes them (or at least so he claims).

@Samanfa (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=68263); well i think the admin side should probably pick up now me hayden and ryan are all off exams at least now which is hopeful lmao.

[MKR&*42]

Fully agree, I think the qualifications have become much too easy. Anyone who can make paint dry in a wall moderately good can be in nowadays. But the fact is and I really want Hx News to do well, as it's always been a 'baby' of mine as per say, is that it is the wrong direction to go in. I have not seen interesting articles posted recently, in retrospect, I've even see articles about international hotels take priority over Habbo.com.

This is not directly anyone's fault. I have done a few of these international reports because it's fun to report on things from other hotels, you say that I should take Habbo.com as a priority and I do - but I have to leave news tasks for others, and no-one else (apart from Sam at times) in news explores international Habbo news. I would love to shove every Habbo.com piece of news out there, but then I get whined at for "doing all the news" (to quote CaptainAce).

It's the fact other news reporters are too lazy and just don't care about news, and if no-one else is applying for news there is so little we can do about habbo.com being a priority without a massive rant occurring.

[Tom]

I'm just gonna be blunt here and just tell you to be quiet, stop and look at all the posts and attempt to see how stupid this is becoming.

Can I just point out, Samanfa;, that you said "I said and I will still say they're different styles" yeah? So if they're different writing styles I will again emphasise my point that Guides were primarily done by content staff - which means, obviously, it's more of a 'content writing style' (because like you say there is such a distinct difference) which means that News staff are unable to write guides.

We'll leave this debate there.

[Samantha]

I'm just gonna be blunt here and just tell you to be quiet, stop and look at all the posts and attempt to see how stupid this is becoming.

Can I just point out, Samanfa;, that you said "I said and I will still say they're different styles" yeah? So if they're different writing styles I will again emphasise my point that Guides were primarily done by content staff - which means, obviously, it's more of a 'content writing style' (because like you say there is such a distinct difference) which means that News staff are unable to write guides.

We'll leave this debate there.

I don't mind you saying that at all, I was just talking about the current news staff, in the future it would be more suited to content I never disputed that.

[MKR&*42]

Because news has more crucial issues to tackle.....:rolleyes:

This gives people the chance to choose if they want to work in that department as well though? All your important news issues to tackle seem to be things a manager has to tell people to improve - not the people themselves.

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And has everyone forgotten that some people (i.e. people in content and people in news) are capable of switching writing style. It's not a fixed thing you know... if it was then I would be bewildered how anyone could pass GCSE English.

[Zelda]

I'm just gonna be blunt here and just tell you to be quiet, stop and look at all the posts and attempt to see how stupid this is becoming.

Can I just point out, @Samanfa (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=68263);, that you said "I said and I will still say they're different styles" yeah? So if they're different writing styles I will again emphasise my point that Guides were primarily done by content staff - which means, obviously, it's more of a 'content writing style' (because like you say there is such a distinct difference) which means that News staff are unable to write guides.

We'll leave this debate there.

the thing is they are going to be nothing like content design guides, no length descriptions of stuff, no edited videos or gifs or anything, they'd be much more in the style of news with reporting the release of something new in a sentence or two and a description of how to do it step by step. so really they aren't anything like content guides to claim that lmao

[Tom]

I don't mind you saying that at all, I was just talking about the current news staff, in the future it would be more suited to content I never disputed that.

So then please tell me the logic of giving it to News staff right now when it will just later be transferred to Content? Waste of time if you ask me - or is this the point; to waste time?

[Grig]

This gives people the chance to choose if they want to work in that department as well though? All your important news issues to tackle seem to be things a manager has to tell people to improve - not the people themselves.

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And has everyone forgotten that some people (i.e. people in content and people in news) are capable of switching writing style. It's not a fixed thing you know... if it was then I would be bewildered how anyone could pass GCSE English.

Then going full circle, news does not have the capacity to take on guides.

I am trying to prove a point, as well as state my opposition to it.

[Samantha]

no article has actually taken any priority over .com that is international, hayden has actually checked everytime to make sure there was nothing else before he writes them (or at least so he claims).

@Samanfa (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=68263); well i think the admin side should probably pick up now me hayden and ryan are all off exams at least now which is hopeful lmao.

Yes it has, international usually takes priority and I told you plenty of times.

[MKR&*42]

So you are basically asking for a separate department? Not fully but you are with people who aren't in news or content to have a brand new role.

For the people who just want to work in there but not news/content yes. Because if a person were to join content just to do guides, I'd imagine they'd have to do wiki work and site work as well (when v7 is out) which they might not enjoy. Likewise if a person was forced to join news to do guides, they'd might not like the full news writing style and just want to write a guide once in a while.

[xxMATTGxx]

For the people who just want to work in there but not news/content yes. Because if a person were to join content just to do guides, I'd imagine they'd have to do wiki work and site work as well (when v7 is out) which they might not enjoy. Likewise if a person was forced to join news to do guides, they'd might not like the full news writing style and just want to write a guide once in a while.


And who manages them, Inkwell or Skynus or a new person altogether? This reminds me of the merge.

[MKR&*42]

Then going full circle, news does not have the capacity to take on guides.

Neither would content when v7 arrives? Wiki/Site pages/Guides would be demanding as well.

[Samantha]

This is not directly anyone's fault. I have done a few of these international reports because it's fun to report on things from other hotels, you say that I should take Habbo.com as a priority and I do - but I have to leave news tasks for others, and no-one else (apart from Sam at times) in news explores international Habbo news. I would love to shove every Habbo.com piece of news out there, but then I get whined at for "doing all the news" (to quote CaptainAce).

It's the fact other news reporters are too lazy and just don't care about news, and if no-one else is applying for news there is so little we can do about habbo.com being a priority without a massive rant occurring.

CaptainAce is correct.

[Grig]

Yes it has, international usually takes priority and I told you plenty of times.

I saw this myself, decided to check news out recently out of interest and see, that international articles, such as from the .fr hotel were posted, whilst articles on the .com hotel were ignored.

[Tom]

For the people who just want to work in there but not news/content yes. Because if a person were to join content just to do guides, I'd imagine they'd have to do wiki work and site work as well (when v7 is out) which they might not enjoy. Likewise if a person was forced to join news to do guides, they'd might not like the full news writing style and just want to write a guide once in a while.

So in short you're basically asking to create a brand new department and giving Content and News writers the option to go in there. But they don't have to...

That would just be another non needed department and a complete waste of time.

[MKR&*42]

And who manages them, Inkwell or Skynus or a new person altogether? This reminds me of the merge.

Ergh that's not a fair question :( Can't you just have 2 joint assistant managers 'cause I'm 99% sure I've seen this before. I don't see why one should be manager over the other really.

[Tom]

And who manages them, Inkwell or Skynus or a new person altogether? This reminds me of the merge.

My thoughts exactly.

[xxMATTGxx]

Ergh that's not a fair question :( Can't you just have 2 joint assistant managers 'cause I'm 99% sure I've seen this before. I don't see why one should be manager over the other really.

Then wouldn't that be merging departments again? I must be missing something here...

[MKR&*42]

So in short you're basically asking to create a brand new department and giving Content and News writers the option to go in there. But they don't have to...

That would just be another non needed department and a complete waste of time.

So you'd force someone to join content just so they could write a guide, and if there wasn't any guides for them to write they'd have to do wiki work which they may not want to do?

I'm sorry but unless you make different roles inside content itself (content writer / guide writer idk not that wording) then that's ridiculous.

[Grig]

Neither would content when v7 arrives? Wiki/Site pages/Guides would be demanding as well.

Are you missing the point...

I am talking about news. Take a dictionary and read what it means. It's the manager's problem, if Content does not have enough staff. I would never have applied to news if I had to write stupid guides.

[MKR&*42]

Then wouldn't that be merging departments again? I must be missing something here...

Why don't you try merging again? I'm sure some people were discussing in content (think Samanfa;) that she eventually did want to merge and liked it.

In all fairness, I have changed my mind too and think merging isn't a terrible idea if there are specialised roles in the dept. itself.

[Zelda]

So you'd force someone to join content just so they could write a guide, and if there wasn't any guides for them to write they'd have to do wiki work which they may not want to do?

I'm sorry but unless you make different roles inside content itself (content writer / guide writer idk not that wording) then that's ridiculous.

yea this is why i'm sorta with the putting it into a new dep of it's own but I still think it's a bit much for a new dep and would suit a sub-dep more.

but if it was moved to content that's my problem cause I wouldn't want to join cause skynus refuses to accept the idea of separated mins, i'd never do wiki work sorry lmao

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Grig; assuming it did happen you wouldn't have to do them though cause of being a sub-dep within news so you would completely have the option to opt out of it

[xxMATTGxx]

Why don't you try merging again? I'm sure some people were discussing in content (think Samanfa;) that she eventually did want to merge and liked it.

In all fairness, I have changed my mind too and think merging isn't a terrible idea if there are specialised roles in the dept. itself.


You've got to be joking... I cannot believe I am even reading this.

[MKR&*42]

You've got to be joking... I cannot believe I am even reading this.

Why. If people in this newly merged department are allowed to pick a certain area (news / site-wiki / guides) then I'm failing to see what you are annoyed over.

Or are you pissed at the thought of merging again? If that's it, then that's not my problem and a problem for other users who think the merge still is a silly idea.
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From e5s post I am guessing it is the outrage.

[e5]

There was outrage last time and it didn't work lol

Why don't you try merging again? I'm sure some people were discussing in content (think Samanfa;) that she eventually did want to merge and liked it.

In all fairness, I have changed my mind too and think merging isn't a terrible idea if there are specialised roles in the dept. itself.

[Zelda]

Don't even suggest merging again tbh, it failed completely last time due to skynus forcing everyone to do the other departments work too. Most of the dep just resigned cause they didn't want to do wiki work (and I was tempted to too for the same reason).

and if u did have just seperate minimums for each bit you might as well not even merge cause it'll just make more cluttered forums and be pointless

[xxMATTGxx]

Why. If people in this newly merged department are allowed to pick a certain area (news / site-wiki / guides) then I'm failing to see what you are annoyed over.

Or are you pissed at the thought of merging again? If that's it, then that's not my problem and a problem for other users who think the merge still is a silly idea.

The problem is its a waste of time if its just going to fail due to the fact people are unwilling to work together or even do the work in the first place.

[Tom]

So you'd force someone to join content just so they could write a guide, and if there wasn't any guides for them to write they'd have to do wiki work which they may not want to do?

I'm sorry but unless you make different roles inside content itself (content writer / guide writer idk not that wording) then that's ridiculous.

I wouldn't force them, no, it's a simple case of adding to the criteria. If they want to write for Habbox, in news or content, they have to do the whole thing - it's how it goes. You can't just go to HabboxLive to just give out warnings and show feedback, you need to go on air as well. You can't go into the forum department just post, you need give out mod warnings, reminders etc.


yea this is why i'm sorta with the putting it into a new dep of it's own but I still think it's a bit much for a new dep and would suit a sub-dep more.

but if it was moved to content that's my problem cause I wouldn't want to join cause skynus refuses to accept the idea of separated mins, i'd never do wiki work sorry lmao

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Grig; assuming it did happen you wouldn't have to do them though cause of being a sub-dep within news so you would completely have the option to opt out of it

I'm sorry, what? I'm pretty sure we came to an agreement in that big massive group conversation with Inseriousity.; so please don't try and pin the blame on me, that is my one pet hate.

[MKR&*42]

The problem is its a waste of time if its just going to fail due to the fact people are unwilling to work together.

I know some people dislike each other, but there's no obligation to actually speak to the same people in the whole department. A member working on wiki-site wouldn't have to communicate with a news staff member if they didn't want to :P

If that was the reason for them all resigning last time I am shocked.

[Zelda]

I wouldn't force them, no, it's a simple case of adding to the criteria. If they want to write for Habbox, in news or content, they have to do the whole thing - it's how it goes. You can't just go to HabboxLive to just give out warnings and show feedback, you need to go on air as well. You can't go into the forum department just post, you need give out mod warnings, reminders etc.



I'm sorry, what? I'm pretty sure we came to an agreement in that big massive group conversation with @Inseriousity. (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=26409); so please don't try and pin the blame on me, that is my one pet hate.

yea only cause I was basically being in the case of you refusing to do it my way and me being forced to agree to the merge in some way or another......... I didn't really have a choice did I?

[xxMATTGxx]

yea only cause I was basically being in the case of you refusing to do it my way and me being forced to agree to the merge in some way or another......... I didn't really have a choice did I?

Well yes we don't live in North Korea.

[Tom]

Before this goes any further, let me just say this.

We unmerged in the end because management decided because staff just stuck to their own work and wouldn't work as a merged department (merged meaning they're completely merged, which was the plan) it was completely pointless and may as well just be 2 seperate departments. Am I wrong Inkwell;? No. Also, I should add, you thought that because that's what I asked you. So please, before you start posting anything about the merge at least get it correct.

[Inseriousity.]

You were both as bad as each other tbh.

[Tom]

You were both as bad as each other tbh.

Thank you.

[Samantha]

For arguments sake I'd just say put it with the others on content, why take time making a new department. My thoughts anyway.

[Absently]

lets face it guys, even if this happens it probably wont happen for a very long time knowing habbox!!

[Kardan]

Wow I missed the last 7 pages of this, but I'm glad people agree with me that the content team should be in charge of content.

[Grig]

Also, just to add any seniors on the Content team should have a knowledge of SPAG similar to news, as I looked back and you noted that as one of the positives Sam :P.

Warren/Hayden, you are missing the whole point of being a department and that is the ability to be able to communicate with each-other, regardless of your role.

[Samantha]

Also, just to add any seniors on the Content team should have a knowledge of SPAG similar to news, as I looked back and you noted that as one of the positives Sam :P.

Warren/Hayden, you are missing the whole point of being a department and that is the ability to be able to communicate with each-other, regardless of your role.

Just on SPAG knowledge alone I believe Content would be more appropriate than News anyway. I know we don't have seniors in Content anymore, but I'm sure Skynus; would easily sort it if not.

[Zelda]

Tbh especially as habbosecrets has decided not to close after all I would now gladly say let content do it if they wish , so that as grig says news can focus on the stuff we currently focus on lmao.

[sex]

while you all moaned and ******* fr 200 replies habbosecrets has been re-opened after vado has his attention fix for this month!
it still should be looked into tho, but there is n point if they won't be done right away and promoted (which the probably won't)

[Meanies]

while you all moaned and ******* fr 200 replies habbosecrets has been re-opened after vado has his attention fix for this month!
it still should be looked into tho, but there is n point if they won't be done right away and promoted (which the probably won't)

I was talking to Skynus; about it and I think we have an idea of how it can work, just depends when he implements it!!

[Tom]

Tbh especially as habbosecrets has decided not to close after all I would now gladly say let content do it if they wish , so that as grig says news can focus on the stuff we currently focus on lmao.

So you decided to argue your point for absolutely nothing? Or at least because some other sites did it, but now you 'cba'? Nice one, Janice.


I was talking to Skynus; about it and I think we have an idea of how it can work, just depends when he implements it!!

Depends how well it works out I guess.

[Zelda]

So you decided to argue your point for absolutely nothing? Or at least because some other sites did it, but now you 'cba'? Nice one, Janice.



Depends how well it works out I guess.

no the whole point of introducing this was because of habbosecrets closing so we could take their niche lmao. if they aren't closing then there isn't really much point trying to fill a role that's now not actually disapeared

[AgnesIO]

TLDR; so 20 pages.. missed this entire thread. Any hints of what has been going on?

[Yawn]

i think u should still do it

[Kardan]

Why can't Habbox still do the answers/guides? I was unaware that if a fansite had a 'niche' no other fansite could do it... I'm sure other fansites in the past have done rare values/radios/help desks etc.

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TLDR; so 20 pages.. missed this entire thread. Any hints of what has been going on?

Habbox want to introduce some content to the site, guides/answers on latest quests/badges etc. But the news department want to do it and not let the content team do the new content.

[xxMATTGxx]

Why can't Habbox still do the answers/guides? I was unaware that if a fansite had a 'niche' no other fansite could do it... I'm sure other fansites in the past have done rare values/radios/help desks etc.

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Habbox want to introduce some content to the site, guides/answers on latest quests/badges etc. But the news department want to do it and not let the content team do the new content.

Have I missed a post saying something about the top? From what I am aware that the plan is still going ahead.

Edit: Nevermind, noticed Graham's post.

[AgnesIO]

Habbox want to introduce some content to the site, guides/answers on latest quests/badges etc. But the news department want to do it and not let the content team do the new content.

Er, wait, really?! This is the same department (along with content) who almost died from high blood pressure when the two departments merged, right? But you are now telling me that the news department is arguing because they want to do the content?

http://www.troll.me/images/jackie-chan-whut/what-is-this-i-dont-even.jpg

[e5]

Have I missed a post saying something about the top? From what I am aware that the plan is still going ahead.

Edit: Nevermind, noticed Graham's post.
yeah staying open

http://i.imgur.com/LOUVngU.png

[AgnesIO]

yeah staying open

http://i.imgur.com/LOUVngU.png

Is this the right thread for that, ultra confused at what it is telling? :L

Apart from their being a beautiful pixel brunette...

[e5]

Is this the right thread for that, ultra confused at what it is telling? :L

Apart from their being a beautiful pixel brunette...

ihop22 is a senior editor on habbo secrets :)

http://i.imgur.com/YdIjmne.png

Is that clearer? :P

[AgnesIO]

ihop22 is a senior editor on habbo secrets :)

http://i.imgur.com/YdIjmne.png

Is that clearer? :P


Oooh I get it :L I did wonder who ihop22 was :P

Just decided you got excited over a potential hot brunette :(

[e5]

See we have our own guides page out now :) I hope it turns out successful!