Rep Counter

[Mr-Trainor]

By 'rep counter' I'm referring to the green number (well.. it has a green background) on the bottom right of a post when it has received +rep. And basically I don't see why there should be one but not the other?

So I know the argument in the past for having no -rep counter is that seeing a -X on a post in a red box will apparently make people more likely to -rep the post and therefore lead to pointless -repping.. but surely if that's the case then a +X on a post in a green box would make people more likely to +rep the post and therefore lead to pointless +repping? I just can't see how you can argue against the -X with the reason which should surely mean the +X shouldn't be there either.

And so I'm voting for both or none :).

[Inseriousity.]

It was never for that reason. It was more against trying to avoid a "negative atmosphere" and doing everything possible to promote a positive atmosphere. Whether you believe that act to be the case is up for debate but it doesn't really bother me whether there's a -rep number there or not.

[e5]

Im voting for just +rep. think it will just be the cause of many arguments

[Mr-Trainor]

It was never for that reason. It was more against trying to avoid a "negative atmosphere" and doing everything possible to promote a positive atmosphere. Whether you believe that act to be the case is up for debate but it doesn't really bother me whether there's a -rep number there or not.
I guess the 'negative atmosphere' is a valid argument to an extent, but surely posts aren't -repped that often? It's not like there's going to be loads of -X in red boxes. I hardly see green ones (shame it's been said the rep system isn't going to be changed, but that is/was a separate thread) :P.

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Im voting for just +rep. think it will just be the cause of many arguments
For the same reason as Mike, or for another reason? (Just curious).

[JustZach]

Im voting for just +rep. think it will just be the cause of many arguments

I agree, having -rep makes people look bad and I don't think it's fair. Rather than showing someone to have -, just let them stay on 0.

[MKR&*42]

Cry not another thread about rep :'(

[GoldenMerc]

When you have both and say if you saw a post with 55 -reps you'd be tempted to add to it prob.

[Mr-Trainor]

When you have both and say if you saw a post with 55 -reps you'd be tempted to add to it prob.
But wouldn't that be the same if it was 55 +reps :P?

[e5]

Mmm, just because I think if I see a post as a bad post, I don't want to -rep it and then influence someone else into -repping them too because they've seen that someone else has. I'd much prefer to encourage people to +rep someones post and promote a good atmosphere, yeah. So sort of similar to Mike.


I guess the 'negative atmosphere' is a valid argument to an extent, but surely posts aren't -repped that often? It's not like there's going to be loads of -X in red boxes. I hardly see green ones (shame it's been said the rep system isn't going to be changed, but that is/was a separate thread) :P.

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For the same reason as Mike, or for another reason? (Just curious).

[Mr-Trainor]

I know @Chris (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=55895); you've said rep isn't going to change, but surely if -rep creates a negative atmosphere and a -rep counter isn't going to be added to posts, then the ability to -rep should just be removed?

[Chris]

I know @Chris (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=55895); you've said rep isn't going to change, but surely if -rep creates a negative atmosphere and a -rep counter isn't going to be added to posts, then the ability to -rep should just be removed?

Just because there isn't a -rep counter it doesn't mean it should be removed. There has never been a -rep counter so I don't see why we suddenly need one now. Of course, if the poll indicates that more people want the -rep counter then it is more likely to happen.

[Matthew]

I know @Chris (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=55895); you've said rep isn't going to change, but surely if -rep creates a negative atmosphere and a -rep counter isn't going to be added to posts, then the ability to -rep should just be removed?


its more the fact that if you can see a post has lots of -reps then you might be more inclined to -rep it yourself also

the -rep feature itself is fine imo as it all stays private

[buttons]

But wouldn't that be the same if it was 55 +reps :P?
init, if u see loads of +rep on someone's post you're prob more likely to think it must be a really good post so rep it when it might not have been.... I would rather have nothing at all or both a red and green

[GoldenMerc]

I know @Chris (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=55895); you've said rep isn't going to change, but surely if -rep creates a negative atmosphere and a -rep counter isn't going to be added to posts, then the ability to -rep should just be removed?


init, if u see loads of +rep on someone's post you're prob more likely to think it must be a really good post so rep it when it might not have been.... I would rather have nothing at all or both a red and green
nuh uh, i wouldnt :P

[Mr-Trainor]

Just because there isn't a -rep counter it doesn't mean it should be removed. There has never been a -rep counter so I don't see why we suddenly need one now. Of course, if the poll indicates that more people want the -rep counter then it is more likely to happen.
But the reason for not having a -rep counter seems to be that it creates a negative atmosphere on the forum, but the source of that negative atmosphere is negative rep. If negative rep is creating this bad atmosphere and is the cause of arguments then why have the ability to -rep in the first place :P?

its more the fact that if you can see a post has lots of -reps then you might be more inclined to -rep it yourself also

the -rep feature itself is fine imo as it all stays private
The same applies to +rep though as well :P.

[Chris]

But the reason for not having a -rep counter seems to be that it creates a negative atmosphere on the forum, but the source of that negative atmosphere is negative rep. If negative rep is creating this bad atmosphere and is the cause of arguments then why have the ability to -rep in the first place :P?

The same applies to +rep though as well :P.

Because -rep is private so no negative atmosphere is created.

[Mr-Trainor]

Because -rep is private so no negative atmosphere is created.
But if someone has VIP and sees that someone -reps them, they are likely to hold a grudge against them and possibly start arguments with the person who -repped them. And sometimes it happens if there's a discussion in a thread, and someone will quote someone saying something like 'So you -rep me just because you disagree?' - just an example, which is something I've seen on the forum before.

[buttons]

erm are you serious, how does showing a +rep green button create positivity when many repped posts are from people attacking each other etc lol

[GoldenMerc]

never the less guys, can i also just add the +rep thing was a custom plugin by wee hoteluser afaik, The -rep would have to be coded, no one can do that other than Jin maybe on the team, Skynus and chippiewill still have v7 to finished, no point adding more to the plate.

[Chris]

But if someone has VIP and sees that someone -reps them, they are likely to hold a grudge against them and possibly start arguments with the person who -repped them. And sometimes it happens if there's a discussion in a thread, and someone will quote someone saying something like 'So you -rep me just because you disagree?' - just an example, which is something I've seen on the forum before.

Which is then picked up by a moderator and dealt with accordingly. It's not something that happens often anyway.

[Matthew]

But the reason for not having a -rep counter seems to be that it creates a negative atmosphere on the forum, but the source of that negative atmosphere is negative rep. If negative rep is creating this bad atmosphere and is the cause of arguments then why have the ability to -rep in the first place :P?

The same applies to +rep though as well :P.

which is why I voted for none :p

[Mr-Trainor]

never the less guys, can i also just add the +rep thing was a custom plugin by wee hoteluser afaik, The -rep would have to be coded, no one can do that other than Jin maybe on the team, Skynus and chippiewill still have v7 to finished, no point adding more to the plate.
Surely it'd just be very similar to the code for +rep with a few things changed. I can't imagine it'd be too hard to implement.

Which is then picked up by a moderator and dealt with accordingly. It's not something that happens often anyway.
But it's still already creating a 'negative atmosphere' :P.

[GoldenMerc]

Surely it'd just be very similar to the code for +rep with a few things changed. I can't imagine it'd be too hard to implement.

But it's still already creating a 'negative atmosphere' :P.
You wouldn't think v7 would take this long ether...

[Mr-Trainor]

which is why I voted for none :p
Ohh, yeah I think none would be fairer than just +rep.

[Inseriousity.]

its not a visible negative atmosphere I think was the point. If a scrap goes on behind the scenes between Alex and Martin that isn't going to have any impact on the events staff morale. If they had the argument in the eo staff forum then it's already a different story. As you said, -rep is very rare and I imagine, after a novelty thing where it spikes up, it would go back to normal if it was added but imo it sounds like you're just having a debate for the sake of it here.

[Chris]

Surely it'd just be very similar to the code for +rep with a few things changed. I can't imagine it'd be too hard to implement.

But it's still already creating a 'negative atmosphere' :P.

Well there's nothing anyone can do about that. Even if -rep was completely taken out of the picture, arguments would still occur and negative atmospheres would still be created. All we can do is try to minimise it by keeping -rep private and moderating all arguments revolving around -rep.

[lawrawrrr]

Either way, you're more likely to rep someone if you see other people have also repped it (either way) and by not counting the -rep out "loud" then you create a more positive atmosphere. I vote for just +rep :)

[buttons]

Well there's nothing anyone can do about that. Even if -rep was completely taken out of the picture, arguments would still occur and negative atmospheres would still be created. All we can do is try to minimise it by keeping -rep private and moderating all arguments revolving around -rep.
+rep can cause just as much arguments and negativity. you've seen how someone attacks another then they get 10 or so repping them for it, just makes the person who was being attacked feel like **** knowing everyone's repping them for it lol it would be fairer to have a -rep symbol too to show that just coz someone got ten rep for being a ****, there are other people who have minus repped it, either tht or not show any at all

[Chris]

+rep can cause just as much arguments and negativity. you've seen how someone attacks another then they get 10 or so repping them for it, just makes the person who was being attacked feel like **** knowing everyone's repping them for it lol it would be fairer to have a -rep symbol too to show that just coz someone got ten rep for being a ****, there are other people who have minus repped it, either tht or not show any at all

You do make a good point, but again when has this ever been a huge issue in the past? :P

[buttons]

You do make a good point, but again when has this ever been a huge issue in the past? :P
idk if it's been problem but i know i don't feel very good if even one person is repping someone who has made a negative post towards me :p now imagine that for ppl where others are getting 10+ reps... i get repped more for mean comments i make than helpful tbh so rep isn't always use positively really

[Chris]

idk if it's been problem but i know i don't feel very good if even one person is repping someone who has made a negative post towards me :p now imagine that for ppl where others are getting 10+ reps... i get repped more for mean comments i make than helpful tbh so rep isn't always use positively really

Fair enough. We'll see what everyone else thinks about it too.

[FlyingJesus]

I feel that polls like this do very little to actually help, being so closed in terms of option and also because I don't believe that a majority vote necessarily shows informed intent - yes, even on polls where my own opinions have had the majority count before anyone steps in with that. Discussion and educated action is far superior to base democracy in these things.

My own opinion is that it makes sense for negatives to be just as visible as positives (be that ON/ON or OFF/OFF) but if we want to steer away from negativity it would be best to just have negative reps remove 1 from the total score shown. Currently if a person makes a strikingly witty post about bees they may deservedly get lots of +rep and the counter will show that figure, but if some bunch of evil bee haters -rep them their views (no matter how dastardly and misled) have no visible effect, which then casts a false display on the popular opinion of the post in question. It could surely be made that anything less than +1 displays nothing at all while not making it appear that unpopular opinions are popular as can/does happen at the moment

[wixard]

what's the point in -rep if people mainly use it purely because they don't like that person or they disagree with the persons opinion?
the majority of people that care about their rep (which seems like a surprisingly sad amount of people) will get it removed anyway.

just get rid of it

[Mr-Trainor]

+rep can cause just as much arguments and negativity. you've seen how someone attacks another then they get 10 or so repping them for it, just makes the person who was being attacked feel like **** knowing everyone's repping them for it lol it would be fairer to have a -rep symbol too to show that just coz someone got ten rep for being a ****, there are other people who have minus repped it, either tht or not show any at all
I forgot about that! You make a great point.

You do make a good point, but again when has this ever been a huge issue in the past? :P
I guess it wouldn't affect everyone and so just hasn't been brought up before - or if it has, may it was within another thread :P.

I feel that polls like this do very little to actually help, being so closed in terms of option and also because I don't believe that a majority vote necessarily shows informed intent - yes, even on polls where my own opinions have had the majority count before anyone steps in with that. Discussion and educated action is far superior to base democracy in these things.

My own opinion is that it makes sense for negatives to be just as visible as positives (be that ON/ON or OFF/OFF) but if we want to steer away from negativity it would be best to just have negative reps remove 1 from the total score shown. Currently if a person makes a strikingly witty post about bees they may deservedly get lots of +rep and the counter will show that figure, but if some bunch of evil bee haters -rep them their views (no matter how dastardly and misled) have no visible effect, which then casts a false display on the popular opinion of the post in question. It could surely be made that anything less than +1 displays nothing at all while not making it appear that unpopular opinions are popular as can/does happen at the moment
Yeah if a post received both positive and negative rep it should just basically add on to each other, so 3 +reps and 4 -reps would display a -1. I guess this is how the coding would then become more complicated than a simple edit which I didn't think about before hand.


what's the point in -rep if people mainly use it purely because they don't like that person or they disagree with the persons opinion?
the majority of people that care about their rep (which seems like a surprisingly sad amount of people) will get it removed anyway.

just get rid of it
Yeah that's why I can't see why it is even still here, seeing as the reason for no -rep counter is the whole negative atmosphere argument :P.

[Kardan]

If people only want +reps displayed and not -reps... Why do some people argue for a like and dislike system :P Unless of course they only want a like system, which is then just going backwards from the current +rep/-rep situation :P

I'm not fussed if we don't get a -rep counter, even though I'd like one. I mean, at least have the current +rep counter be deducted, but never show below 0.

A bit like voting on reddit.

[Rixion]

I just see it as a pointless add on and can only see it bringing drama. With -rep it's really more of a private thing, in both scenarios (the -repper, the -repped) I wouldn't want others seeing the post even if it's anonymous.

[Jordan]

I've voted for both. Would be nice imo!

[Rachel]

Cry not another thread about rep :'(

Yes another one but this one is about prob removing -rep lol

What is the next one?lol

I don't care if I see the -rep to be honest.

[Kyle]

whilst a portion of current highly repped posts are because someone made a funny at the expense of someone else, that doesnt mean all posts displaying multiple reps are of that nature... yes the +rep display currently has the potential to perpetuate negativity and victimise certain users but displaying -reps would do it so much worse and more frequently. the aim of +rep display is to convey a positive atmosphere and encourage people to share the love and to a good enough extent it does just that.

I've only ever -repped posts if I was a few days/weeks late reading them. if I had qualms with the post reading it te day it was posted then I would much rather add to the discussion than give the poster a private dig about it and would encourage everyone to do the same. creates more fruitful and less one-sided discussions.

either dont change anything or remove -rep lol

happy diwali

[Mr-Trainor]

Because -rep is private so no negative atmosphere is created.

Well there's nothing anyone can do about that. Even if -rep was completely taken out of the picture, arguments would still occur and negative atmospheres would still be created. All we can do is try to minimise it by keeping -rep private and moderating all arguments revolving around -rep.


"Tonight we have changed part of rule A5 which stopped users from posting reputation comments. "


If you don't mind me asking, what made you come to the decision to now allow people to post and share their reputation comments? Surely this means -rep is no longer private and therefore it can now create a negative atmosphere. I can't see any benefits to people sharing their -rep comments but I can see the negatives already :S.





its more the fact that if you can see a post has lots of -reps then you might be more inclined to -rep it yourself also


the -rep feature itself is fine imo as it all stays private
-rep is no longer all private, so what would you do now?

[Chris]

"Tonight we have changed part of rule A5 which stopped users from posting reputation comments. "


If you don't mind me asking, what made you come to the decision to now allow people to post and share their reputation comments? Surely this means -rep is no longer private and therefore it can now create a negative atmosphere. I can't see any benefits to people sharing their -rep comments but I can see the negatives already :S.





-rep is no longer all private, so what would you do now?

Matt can answer you on this one.

[scottish]

"Tonight we have changed part of rule A5 which stopped users from posting reputation comments. "


If you don't mind me asking, what made you come to the decision to now allow people to post and share their reputation comments? Surely this means -rep is no longer private and therefore it can now create a negative atmosphere. I can't see any benefits to people sharing their -rep comments but I can see the negatives already :S.





-rep is no longer all private, so what would you do now?

I'd also like to know why it's allowed to now show your reps, as it's so obviously going to be abused to make fun of/target people people who -repped them.

So if you -rep me i can laugh at you and post it on the forum to show you're pathetic depending on the comment you left. Seems like a decision that was made to cover the ass of someone who posted a rep comment rather than a logical decision to allow it..

[FlyingJesus]

Yeah was basically changed because Matt flouted it quite openly and didn't want to apologise so now we're apparently allowed to target other users for what is essentially a private message

[GoldenMerc]

Yeh not liking the post your rep comments at all.

[buttons]

yea Matt posted someone else's rep comments, people complained so Matt let them post their own comments despite it not being allowed like ever lol stupid move but yh, if anythin it could just stop people using the rep system and want a like system instead

[mrwoooooooo]

if anyone wants me to get any more rules changed, let me know

[xxMATTGxx]

Jin thinks it shouldn't even be a rule in the first place so there we go. Negative reputation was never really private if you had VIP to show who actually repped you in the first place.

[scottish]

Jin thinks it shouldn't even be a rule in the first place so there we go. Negative reputation was never really private if you had VIP to show who actually repped you in the first place.

Doesn't mean you could post on the forum targeting people essentially for -repping you even if you could see who -repped you.

[Martin]

Jin thinks it shouldn't even be a rule in the first place so there we go. Negative reputation was never really private if you had VIP to show who actually repped you in the first place.

I think posting it in a way which could cause arguments though IS breaking the rules and could be seen as targetting another forum member and not 'respecting' them at all.

[Mr-Trainor]

I think posting it in a way which could cause arguments though IS breaking the rules and could be seen as targetting another forum member and not 'respecting' them at all.
And surely posting a -rep comment in the first place is just posting to cause arguments, which essentially would mean that posting rep comments is still against the rules - just through a different rule :S.

[Kardan]

And surely posting a -rep comment in the first place is just posting to cause arguments, which essentially would mean that posting rep comments is still against the rules - just through a different rule :S.

Just about to post this. -repping is targeting a user in the first place.

[Lanyon]

Wow this is a close one. I really don't mind what happens but perhaps a counter for individually positive and negative would be nice. But perhaps that could be encouraging a bit of a negative atmosphere for the Habbox community. Not sure.

[Kardan]

Glad to see the forum was able to reach a majority.

[FlyingJesus]

I didn't vote at all since if I voted for my preference the stupid options given make it look like I'm fine with the exact opposite being done

[-:Undertaker:-]

I went for both, don't see harm in it.

[Kardan]

For everyone that doesn't want a -rep counter on posts to avoid a negative atmosphere, surely that's irrelevant now with being able to post reputation comments?

[Lewis]

Make it an option whether you want to show a -rep bar, same with a +rep bar.

[Mr-Trainor]

Make it an option whether you want to show a -rep bar, same with a +rep bar.
But the problem is, it's not that people don't want to see it but just that people think seeing them might or might not have a positive or negative impact on the behaviour of forum members. So an option wouldn't be useful imo :P.