Australian PM, Tony Abbott, threatens to deport disruptive asylum seekers

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/10606381/Tony-Abbott-threatens-to-deport-asylum-seekers-who-swear.html

Tony Abbott threatens to deport asylum seekers who swear

Australia’s prime minister threatens to deport asylum seekers who spit, swear or “irritate people”


http://parentingideas.com.au/getmedia/2ce68745-decc-44d9-bfad-231bcb15e5e5/460640-tony-abbott.aspx


Tony Abbott, Australia’s prime minister, has been accused of creating a “climate of terror” for asylum seekers after introducing a code of behaviour which threatens to deport those who swear, spit, irritate people or spread rumours.

Mr Abbott’s government revealed in December that asylum seekers who arrive by boat and are in Australia on temporary visas would have to sign a new code of conduct that bans harassment, bullying and disruptive behaviour.

Now a draft set of rules, leaked to refugee advocates, spells out the precise requirements for asylum seekers, saying they must not “irritate” people, “disturb someone”, spit or swear in public, or “spread rumours… or exclude someone from a group or place on purpose”.

“Antisocial means an action that is against the order of society,” the document says.

“This may include damaging property, spitting or swearing in public or other actions that other people might find offensive. Disruptive means to cause disorder or to disturb someone or something.”

Since his election last September, Mr Abbott has adopted a hard-line refugee policy aimed at stemming the flow of boat people who cross from transit camps in Indonesia. He has deployed the navy to tow back boats to Indonesian waters, though this led to a rift with Jakarta after navy vessels intruded into Indonesian territory.

Boat arrivals appear to have come to a virtual stop, but the government has faced growing criticism of its approach, which includes deporting all arrivals to offshore detention centres on remote Pacific islands.

The Asylum Seeker Resource Centre, which released a leaked draft of the new behaviour code on its Facebook page, said the rules aimed “to create an environment for asylum seekers where Australia is a horrible place to live”.

“No other industrialised nation criminalises everyday behaviour,” Kon Karapanagiotidis, a spokesman, told The Telegraph. “The idea that spitting in public or getting a parking fine is enough to get you sent to an off shore detention centre is extraordinary. It is an abuse of power and creates a climate of terror for asylum seekers.”

The office of the immigration minister, Scott Morrison, referred to the minister’s comments in December. At the time, he said the code “sets out clear standards of behaviour and expectations relating to values that are important to Australian society”.

This guy is spot on, the more I hear about him the more I like him.

Not only is he tough in the first place on preventing illegals entering Australia (the article says arrivals are virtually zero since the tow-back policy began) but he's also harsh on those who have been granted the very special right to remain in Australia out of the kindness of the Australian people. And these rules make perfect sense: they have been granted the privilege of staying in Australia for a short while, they are guests. Therefore, when you are in the house of a guest you are expected to be on your BEST behaviour otherwise you are out. The same rules should be applied to a country, and Prime Minister Abbott gets it. A great deal of immigrants, especially those from the third world, bring with them the most disgusting habits that we don't want in first world nations. Imagine if such a rule was attempted in Britain? Human rights this, human rights that - but what about the human rights of the people living HERE?

Wouldn't it be nice to have a real small-c conservative minded government here in Britain too?

Thoughts?

[The Don]

Define 'Disgusting Habits'

[karter]

tbh you're the one who's disgusting, op

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Define 'Disgusting Habits'

Poor personal hygiene, female genital mutilation, gang rape of young girls, forced marriages, lack of respect for those who happen to be women or homosexual, lack of tolerance for other points of view - religion for example, no respect for property, knife and gun crime, gang culture......

All third world behaviour that the Australians don't want in Australia and that I don't want in Britain.


tbh you're the one who's disgusting, op

And motherhood and apple pie, I know I know.

[The Don]

Poor personal hygiene, female genital mutilation, gang rape of young girls, forced marriages, lack of respect for those who happen to be women or homosexual, lack of tolerance for other points of view - religion for example, no respect for property, knife and gun crime, gang culture......

Should we kick out anyone who smells bad then?! I wouldn't call gang rape a habit, That's a crime which is not exclusive to any ethnicity. I would question the judgment of anybody who refers to gang rape as a bad habit...


All third world behaviour that the Australians don't want in Australia and that I don't want in Britain.

Is that implying these problems are exclusive to only those born outside of the uk?

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Should we kick out anyone who smells bad then?!

Well put it this way - if I suddenly found myself living amongst a few thousand people who didn't speak my language, looked down on my lifestyle, changed all my local shops, brought crime with them..... poor personal hygeine would be the least of my worries. But it'd still piss me off and wouldn't make the area a very nice to live in, would it?

Abbott's proposals are very sensible - adapt and integrate with us, and follow the basic rules of western civilisation and you are welcome to stay. If not, then you leave. There is no climate of fear being created - the only people who have anything to fear are those who refuse to submit to our basic customs and expectations as a civilised society.


That's a crime which is not exclusive to any ethnicity. I would question the judgment of anybody who refers to gang rape as a bad habit...

Those rapes are far far higher with certain cultures than others as you know very well. Just as we all know that certain cultural groups have strangely high unemployment rates and certain religious/cultural groups have a knack of forced marriage.

So let's stop this pretence that everybody and every culture is equal because it's very tiresome. Even the Labour Party, probably the most untruthful organisation ever invented, now agrees that we need to 'tackle' these kinds of issues within certain 'communities'. Myself? I wouldn't allow them in in the first place as I don't see why we should have to put up with third world behaviour.


Is that implying these problems are exclusive to only those born outside of the uk?

No, but they are very very very much more common in those non-British and non-western cultures, yes.

Islamic countries and forced marriages.
Somalians and unemployment.
India, the subcontinent and rape.
Asia, Arabia and financial fraud.
Africa with gang violence and rape.

[karter]

Poor personal hygiene, female genital mutilation, gang rape of young girls, forced marriages, lack of respect for those who happen to be women or homosexual, lack of tolerance for other points of view - religion for example, no respect for property, knife and gun crime, gang culture......

Okay sooo different ill practices from all over the world but every third world country represents them apparently, you're gross op


Well put it this way - if I suddenly found myself living amongst a few thousand people who didn't speak my language, looked down on my lifestyle, changed all my local shops, brought crime with them..... poor personal hygeine would be the least of my worries. But it'd still piss me off and wouldn't make the area a very nice to live in, would it?

Nice. Bet the Aboriginals relate to this


Those rapes are far far higher with certain cultures than others as you know very well


[citation needed]


Islamic countries and forced marriages.
Somalians and unemployment.
India, the subcontinent and rape.
Asia, Arabia and financial fraud.
Africa with gang violence and rape.

The West and shameless racism.
The West using the internet as a tool to spread outrageous stereotypes
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#Rape_statistics_by_country)
So let's stop this pretence that everybody and every culture is equal

Is this where you deny being racist and use the excuse of the existence of your non white friends

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Okay sooo different ill practices from all over the world but every third world country represents them apparently, you're gross op

Third world countries represent those things much more than western nations, yeah absolutely. If I happened to have a boyfriend, would I want to live in a western country or Africa/the Middle East or Asia? Think about it son.


Nice. Bet the Aboriginals relate to this

Absolutely true, and that's why i'm making the argument against mass immigration. Why repeat the wrongs of the past? :)


The West and shameless racism.
The West using the internet as a tool to spread outrageous stereotypes
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#Rape_statistics_by_country)

The statistics there say they don't include unreported rapes/crimes. Considering how many third world countries accept the rape of women (married and unmarried) as a normal thing rather than a crime, those statistics don't surprise me in the slightest.

If something is accepted as normal practice within a country, then it's not going to be reported to the Police and even if it is, then it's going to be brushed aside. And that's even if the victims want to go to the Police in the first place (assuming they have a functional police force) due to the fact that in many of these countries to get anything done you need to bribe the Police.


Is this where you deny being racist and use the excuse of the existence of your non white friends

You are beyond reason when it comes to these sorts of things, didn't you argue with FlyingJesus (Tom) a while back that only white people could be racist or something? It was something bonkers like that.

[karter]

Third world countries represent those things much more than western nations, yeah absolutely. If I happened to have a boyfriend, would I want to live in a western country or Africa/the Middle East or Asia? Think about it son.

Well SON I hope you know that whatever horse**** you came up with like female genital mutilation and gang culture (what even....) is pretty much unheard of in most of the the third world countries so quit making a rigid identity of all the third world countries SON


Why repeat the wrongs of the past? :)

White people not acknowledging obvious blunders of the past and being a hypocrite about it : Exhibit A


The statistics there say they don't include unreported rapes/crimes. Considering how many third world countries accept the rape of women (married and unmarried) as a normal thing rather than a crime, those statistics don't surprise me in the slightest.

Unreliable sources did not stop you to make generalizations did it....eeek


You are beyond reason when it comes to these sorts of things, didn't you argue with FlyingJesus (Tom) a while back that only white people could be racist or something? It was something bonkers like that.

Nah SON I said no one can be racist towards white people...something bonkers like that although you were just too busy being worried about being labelled a racist

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Well SON I hope you know that whatever horse**** you came up with like female genital mutilation and gang culture (what even....) is pretty much unheard of in most of the the third world countries so quit making a rigid identity of all the third world countries SON

125m women in the Third World nations have undergone Female Genital Mutilation according to the World Health Organisation (WTO) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation ... and I very much doubt those figures will include more who won't have been recorded as undergoing such a practice due to bad government records/lack of healthcare in many of those third world nations.

So don't try pull the wool over our eyes and pretend that the west has just the same problem as many third world countries in regards to rape, female genital mutiliation and so on because that's just total rubbish and I won't be having it.


[FGM] Most common in 27 countries in sub-Saharan and north-east Africa, as well as in Yemen and Iraqi Kurdistan[3]

OMG! HOW JUDGEMENTAL OF WHOEVER WROTE THAT WIKI PAGE! THOSE WAYCIST WHITE PWEOPLE.


White people not acknowledging obvious blunders of the past and being a hypocrite about it : Exhibit A

Well that's a bit of a racist statement to refer to me as a white person when in reality skin colour doesn't matter does it not? I'm an individual thank you very much, not a 'white person' just as you are an individual and I don't refer to you as a 'brown person' everytime I reply to you.

But anyway on your response itself, i've just admitted there to a terrible act in the past in the takeover of native cultures by Britain and other colonial Empires YET it's still not good enough for you is it? I think you just like ranting about how evil white people are so you can feel better about the piss poor record of most third world countries in the post-colonial era.


Unreliable sources did not stop you to make generalizations did it....eeek

I haven't made generalisations at all. The customs of many cultures speak for themselves. Homosexuality and Islam to cite one example.


Nah SON I said no one can be racist towards white people...something bonkers like that although you were just too busy being worried about being labelled a racist

Oh so you did argue that, well there you have: utter lunacy. I would ask about the slavery of white people in Eastern Europe by the Arabs under the Ottoman Empire but I somehow have a feeling that i'd be pissing in the wind even attempting try and reason with you.

[The Don]

Calling you white does not make somebody racist, that is a fact. Generalising entire races of people due to the actions of a few criminals is verging on racism.


125m women in the Third World nations have undergone Female Genital Mutilation according to the World Healthy Organisation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation ... and I very much doubt those figures will include more who won't have been recorded as undergoing such a practice due to bad government records/lack of healthcare in many of those third world nations.

So don't try pull the wool over our eyes and pretend that the west has just the same problem as many third world countries in regards to rape, female genital mutiliation and so on because that's just total rubbish and I won't be having it.



OMG! HOW JUDGEMENTAL OF WHOEVER WROTE THAT WIKI PAGE! THOSE WAYCIST WHITE PWEOPLE.



Well that's a bit of a racist statement to refer to me as a white person when in reality skin colour doesn't matter does it not? I'm an individual thank you very much, not a 'white person' just as you are an individual and I don't refer to you as a 'brown person' everytime I reply to you.

But anyway on your response itself, i've just admitted there to a terrible act in the past in the takeover of native cultures by Britain and other colonial Empires YET it's still not good enough for you is it? I think you just like ranting about how evil white people are so you can feel better about the piss poor record of most third world countries in the post-colonial era.



I haven't made generalisations at all. The customs of many cultures speak for themselves. Homosexuality and Islam to cite one example.



Oh so you did argue that, well there you have: utter lunacy. I would ask about the slavery of white people in Eastern Europe by the Arabs under the Ottoman Empire but I somehow have a feeling that i'd be pissing in the wind even attempting try and reason with you.

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Calling you white does not make somebody racist, generalising entire races of people due to the actions of a few criminals is verging on racism.

Nobody mentioned race until karter did.

I mentioned culture. Culture isn't exclusive to one race y'know. That's why I believe in multiracialism and not multiculturalism.

[The Don]

Xenophobic then


Nobody mentioned race until karter did.

I mentioned culture. Culture isn't exclusive to one race y'know. That's why I believe in multiracialism and not multiculturalism.

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Xenophobic then

If standing up for liberal and civilised rights such as tolerance for homosexuals, treating women as they deserve to be treated on a par with men, standing against the mutilation of baby girls genitals and so on makes me 'xenophobic' or 'islamophobic' then you know what? I'll accept that charge as an honour.

[The Don]

Nah but saying all people from Pakistan gang rape young girls because the daily mail says so is

(Exaggerating of course)


If standing up for liberal and civilised rights such as tolerance for homosexuals, treating women as they deserve to be treated on a par with men, standing against the mutilation of baby girls genitals and so on makes me 'xenophobic' or 'islamophobic' then you know what? I'll accept that charge as an honour.

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Nah but saying all people from Pakistan gang rape young girls because the daily mail says so is

(Exaggerating of course)

I never claimed that nor did the Daily Mail. See, this is why we can never have a sensible debate on immigration in this country because everytime soembody points out the fact that subcontinent culture has a tradition of child rape/forced marriage, people like you come in and disort the argument by saying that we think ALL AND EVERYONE from Pakistan or from that background commit this act.

Clearly that is not the case. But is it the case that from certain cultures these certain acts are considered normal and many from that said culture don't see anything wrong with such acts? Yes. So the question is, do we want those precepts or cultural customs here in 21st century Britain?

Because I don't. Stop twisting EVERYTHING we say and jumping at the chance to call me [insert]phobia everytime this subject is debated.

[karter]

125m women in the Third World nations have undergone Female Genital Mutilation according to the World Healthy Organisation:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation ... and I very much doubt those figures will include more who won't have been recorded as undergoing such a practice due to bad government records/lack of healthcare in many of those third world nations.

So don't try pull the wool over our eyes and pretend that the west has just the same problem as many third world countries in regards to rape, female genital mutiliation and so on because that's just total rubbish and I won't be having it.


YOU'RE STILL MISSING THE POINT



Areas practised
Most common in 27 countries in sub-Saharan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub-Saharan_Africa) and north-east Africa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_Africa), as well as in Yemen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemen) and Iraqi Kurdistan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Kurdistan)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation#cite_note-UNICEF2013p2-3)





South Asia, Southeast Asia, South Africa not included in any of this. So the 'disgusting habits' are not practiced by each and every third world country, please move on


Well that's a bit of a racist statement to refer to me as a white person when in reality skin colour doesn't matter does it not? I'm an individual thank you very much, not a 'white person' just as you are an individual and I don't refer to you as a 'brown person' everytime I reply to you.

You are not making distinction between various countries AND cultures and you are outrightly terming them as disgusting so I don't care


But anyway on your response itself, i've just admitted there to a terrible act in the past in the takeover of native cultures by Britain and other colonial Empires YET it's still not good enough for you is it?

I am not here to CONVINCE you that british empire destroyed cultures, it's a fact and it will remain. I do not careeeee if you accept it or not. You're not doing anyone a favour by 'admitting' the most obvious stuff


I haven't made generalisations at all.

"Africa with gang violence"
"India, the subcontinent and rape."

With no reliable sources to prove any of the above, yeah that's a generalization

[The Don]

Nobody takes you seriously because you make ridiculous comments such as saying raping young girls is considered normal in some cultures.


I never claimed that nor did the Daily Mail. See, this is why we can never have a sensible debate on immigration in this country because everytime soembody points out the fact that subcontinent culture has a tradition of child rape/forced marriage, people like you come in and disort the argument by saying that we think ALL AND EVERYONE from Pakistan or from that background commit this act.

Clearly that is not the case. But is it the case that from certain cultures these certain acts are considered normal and many from that said culture don't see anything wrong with such acts? Yes. So the question is, do we want those precepts or cultural customs here in 21st century Britain?

Because I don't. Stop twisting EVERYTHING we say and jumping at the chance to call me [insert]phobia everytime this subject is debated.

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YOU'RE STILL MISSING THE POINT



Areas practised
Most common in 27 countries in sub-Saharan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub-Saharan_Africa) and north-east Africa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_Africa), as well as in Yemen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemen) and Iraqi Kurdistan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Kurdistan)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation#cite_note-UNICEF2013p2-3)





South Asia, Southeast Asia, South Africa not included in any of this. So the 'disgusting habits' are not practiced by each and every third world country, please move on

I don't recall saying every third world country had the same disgusting habits. Infact, I rather recall writing down a broad and rough list earlier pointing out what continents/geographical/cultural areas are responsible for certain acts such as child marriages, child rape, female genital mutilation and so on and so forth.


You are not making distinction between various countries AND cultures and you are outrightly terming them as disgusting so I don't care

You want me to write up an entire list of each and every custom, the specific country and the sub-group within that country that are responsible for each and every third world act? No - I think you can find evidence of that for yourself.

In any case, surely if I started pointing out certain tribes/groups/countries you'd just end up calling me 'judgemental' and a racist anyway. So I can't win with you really can I, no matter what I put you'll just reply with how i'm seeing the world through my evil white eyes.


I am not here to CONVINCE you that british empire destroyed cultures, it's a fact and it will remain. I do not careeeee if you accept it or not. You're not doing anyone a favour by 'admitting' the most obvious stuff

Then why mention it in the first place? LOL


"Africa with gang violence"
"India, the subcontinent and rape."

With no reliable sources to prove any of the above, yeah that's a generalization


What are you talking about? A load of Indian women in your own country only recently went out on a march and there have been many protests about the gang rape culture in your country and the mistreatment of women over there.

Do I have to point out the bleeding obvious to you and spoon feed you everything like a baby?

I mean, what will I be asked for next? Justification over my claims that Islamic countries treat homosexuals in a subhuman manner?


Nobody takes you seriously because you make ridiculous comments such as saying raping young girls is considered normal in some cultures.

Yes, that's absolutely true. It's just how in ancient Greek culture, the rape of young boys (and girls) was an accepted practice in Greek culture. Or in Roman culture when having a sex slave was considered perfectly normal. In Islamic countries today for example (and there's a famous book on the subject that was made into a film that I will try to rememebr) sodomy is still used as both a punishment but also as a method to exert control over young boys even though homosexuality between two adult men is considered sinful.

In one Amazon tribe I read about for example, it's considered perfectly normal to bury alive one or some of your children for cultural purposes. The Aztecs in their culture thought that cutting out the heart of a sacrifice was perfectly normal. How many examples do you require?

[The Don]

Last time I checked people from indigenous tribes weren't trying to enter this country. Start using proper examples with sources rather than talking about ancient cultures. Which countries, where the residents try and get citizenship into the uk, is the raping of young girls considered normal? Because that's what you said.


I don't recall saying every third world country had the same disgusting habits. Infact, I rather recall writing down a broad and rough list earlier pointing out what continents/geographical/cultural areas are responsible for certain acts such as child marriages, child rape, female genital mutilation and so on and so forth.



You want me to write up an entire list of each and every custom, the specific country and the sub-group within that country that are responsible for each and every third world act? No - I think you can find evidence of that for yourself.

In any case, surely if I started pointing out certain tribes/groups/countries you'd just end up calling me 'judgemental' and a racist anyway. So I can't win with you really can I, no matter what I put you'll just reply with how i'm seeing the world through my evil white eyes.



Then why mention it in the first place? LOL



What are you talking about? A load of Indian women in your own country only recently went out on a march and there have been many protests about the gang rape culture in your country and the mistreatment of women over there.

Do I have to point out the bleeding obvious to you and spoon feed you everything like a baby?

I mean, what will I be asked for next? Justification over my claims that Islamic countries treat homosexuals in a subhuman manner?



Yes, that's absolutely true. It's just how in ancient Greek culture, the rape of young boys (and girls) was an accepted practice in Greek culture. Or in Roman culture when having a sex slave was considered perfectly normal. In Islamic countries today for example (and there's a famous book on the subject that was made into a film that I will try to rememebr) sodomy is still used as both a punishment but also as a method to exert control over young boys even though homosexuality between two adult men is considered sinful.

In one Amazon tribe I read about for example, it's considered perfectly normal to bury alive one or some of your children for cultural purposes. The Aztecs in their culture thought that cutting out the heart of a sacrifice was perfectly normal. How many examples do you require?

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Last time I checked people from indigenous tribes weren't trying to enter this country.

Doing it again. Trying to twist the argument by picking out a tiny offhand example that I give and giving a response that's worthy of a giggling, 15-year old in a sixth form debate. What's noticeable though is that you haven't picked up on the homosexuality and Islam example and (haven't yet) called me an Islamophobe for making the link - or have I spoken too soon?

But anyway, let's tackle the child abuse issue.


Start using proper examples with sources rather than talking about ancient cultures. Which countries, where the residents try and get citizenship into the uk, is the raping of young girls considered normal? Because that's what you said.

Well here's a UNICEF document talking about child abuse in South-Asian countries: http://www.unicef.org/rosa/protection_7735.htm


Evidence also indicates that half of the world’s child brides live in South Asia, where 46 per cent of women aged 20-24 are first married or in union before they reach the age of 18 and that around 44 million children are engaged in child labour across the region. Sexual abuse and exploitation, as well as child trafficking and corporal punishment raise additional concerns in the region. Violence has devastating consequences for children's health, behaviours, well-being and overall development. Increasing evidence demonstrates that violence against children negatively affects societies and countries. The economic costs resulting from violence against children and the lack of consistent investment into national child protection systems can hinder the development of the region. Finally, violence intersects with the Millennium Development Goals – from eradicating extreme poverty to achieving universal primary education, from promoting gender equality and empowering women to reducing child mortality.


In South Asia, there are more child marriages than in any other region of the world: half (32, 6 million) of the 64 million young (Source: UNICEF ROSA CP 2012, with SWOC 2012 data) women 20-24 years old who have reported globally that they were married before age 18, live in South Asia.

Overall, in the region, 46 per cent of women 20-24 years old were first married or in union before they reached the age of 18 and 18 per cent of women 20-24 years old were first married or in union before they even reached the age of 15.

Significant differences in the child marriage rate exist among countries within South Asia, according to available data from national surveys: child marriage prevalence – measured as the percentage of women 20-24 years old who were first married or in union before they were 18 year old – varies from 4 per cent in Maldives to 66 per cent in Bangladesh. The country rates in ascending order are: Sri Lanka (12 per cent); Pakistan (24 per cent); Bhutan (26 per cent); Afghanistan (39 per cent); India (47 per cent); Nepal (51 per cent) and Bangladesh (66 per cent).

Bangladesh, Nepal and India, the countries most at risk of child marriage in South Asia, are among the most at risk countries in the world: with Bangladesh and Nepal on the third and fourth positions, after the West African countries of Niger and Mali. Although girls are more at risk of child marriage than boys, these countries have significant rates of men 20-24 years old who were first married or in union underage (before age 18), in ascending order: Bangladesh (5 per cent); India (10 per cent) and Nepal (16 per cent).


In Bangladesh, 47 per cent of ever-married adolescent girls (married between 15 and 19 years old) reported that they have experienced emotional, physical and/or sexual violence committed by their current or most recent husband or partner. Many socio-economic and cultural factors contribute to the incidence of partner and domestic violence. Social norms and societal attitudes that convey acceptance or justification of domestic violence make girls and women more vulnerable to become victims. National surveys show that in South Asia 52 per cent of women and 49 per cent of men aged 15-49 years old consider a husband to be justified in hitting or beating his wife for at least one of the following reasons: if the wife burns the food, argues with the husband, goes out without telling him, neglects the children or refuses sexual relations. The justification rate among men in South Asia is the highest in the world, while the rate among women is higher than in East Asia and the Pacific (36 per cent), but lower compared to the rates found in Eastern and Southern Africa (59 per cent) and West and Central Africa (57 per cent).

And it goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and i'm only just a quarter of the way through.

[karter]

What are you talking about? A load of Indian women in your own country only recently went out on a march and there have been many protests about the gang rape culture in your country and the mistreatment of women over there.

Do I have to point out the bleeding obvious to you and spoon feed you everything like a baby?

Rape's a problem in every country not just India or any other third world country THAT is the bleeding obvious truth. Linking rape with a subcontinent is such a stupid move


Then why mention it in the first place? LOL


Because 'Not repeating the mistakes' roughly translates to not giving any Asians/Africans the opportunities and benefits White Australians enjoy, they themselves being 'immigrants'. Using a ****** excuse of destruction of Aboriginal culture to avoid immigration is weak and pathetic


I don't recall saying every third world country had the same disgusting habits. .

You just mentioned third world and disgusting habits, putting the blame on every third world country.


In any case, surely if I started pointing out certain tribes/groups/countries you'd just end up calling me 'judgemental' and a racist anyway. So I can't win with you really can I, no matter what I put you'll just reply with how i'm seeing the world through my evil white eyes

Well besides the obvious truth that you are pretty judgmental and racist....You did mention about homophobia in Islam and most of the Islamic countries which I agree upon. I'd take you seriously if you controlled your language because it oozes out hate and internal prejudice

[The Don]

Yes of course there are rampant problems in third world countries due to the extreme levels of poverty and lack of education, does that mean majority of people there think it's ok or normal to rape young girls? No I do not. Suggesting its a bad habit as you did in your initial post is laughable.


Doing it again. Trying to twist the argument by picking out a tiny offhand example that I give and giving a response that's worthy of a giggling, 15-year old in a sixth form debate. What's noticeable though is that you haven't picked up on the homosexuality and Islam example and (haven't yet) called me an Islamophobe for making the link - or have I spoken too soon?

But anyway, let's tackle the child abuse issue.



Well here's a UNICEF document talking about child abuse in South-Asian countries: http://www.unicef.org/rosa/protection_7735.htm







And it goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and i'm only just a quarter of the way through.

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Rape's a problem in every country not just India or any other third world country THAT is the bleeding obvious truth. Linking rape with a subcontinent is such a stupid move

It is. But it's much more common and culturally acceptable in certain third world countries than it is in the western world.


Because 'Not repeating the mistakes' roughly translates to not giving any Asians/Africans the opportunities and benefits White Australians enjoy, they themselves being 'immigrants'. Using a ****** excuse of destruction of Aboriginal culture to avoid immigration is weak and pathetic

Nobody is against sensible immigration my dear, the issue is that we don't want our home cultures here to be swamped like the aboriginal cultures were once swamped by European cultures. Is that simple enough to understand?


You just mentioned third world and disgusting habits, putting the blame on every third world country.

I didn't blame every third world country, infact I haven't even made up a list of what countries I regard as being a part of the third world so it's you who is making the assumptions. All I did was list the continents where this sort of third world behaviour is found. But if you take a look at the UNICEF report I quote above, you can see it lists Bangladesh, India, Pakistan as problem countries regarding child abuse and poor social attitudes to child abuse. I could name some others in regards to homosexuality to take just one example: Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Jordan, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Uganda, the Sudan and so on and so forth.


Well besides the obvious truth that you are pretty judgmental and racist....You did mention about homophobia in Islam and most of the Islamic countries which I agree upon. I'd take you seriously if you controlled your language because it oozes out hate and internal prejudice

I'm not here to talk like a baby. I'm here to say it how it is - which is that many cultures in the third world ARE backwards on so many issues and that we do not want their cultural precepts here in our western nations arriving via mass immigration. And for the millionanth time, this has nothing to do with race as if you read carefully what I say instead of projecting your own insecurities onto my posts you'll see that I support immigration from non-western countries provided those coming are made to conform to western customs and values.

That's actually one of the reasons I want out of the European Union so that we can introduce a strong but sensible immigration system which would treat migrants from mainland Europe and across the world the same in terms of skill requirements as opposed to what we have now which is a system that favours immigration from the European continent even if those migrants do not have skills that we require.


Yes of course there are rampant problems in third world countries due to the extreme levels of poverty and lack of education, does that mean majority of people there think it's ok or normal to rape young girls? No I do not. Suggesting its a bad habit as you did in your initial post is laughable.

No, it's the cultural outlook of many of these places. You could argue for example that in many ways the poor development and education levels are caused by the culture (for example Islamic schools barring females which then prevents females for standing up for themselves as individuals with rights) or alternatively the other way around. To my mind it's that both come hand in hand.

And bad habits, disgusting habits, vile crimes - call them whatever you please. I do not want those customs in my country. Period.

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Rape is culturally acceptable in the Indian subcontinent? Good to know tell me more


Nobody is against sensible immigration my dear, the issue is that we don't want our home cultures here to be swamped like the aboriginal cultures were once swamped by European cultures. Is that simple enough to understand?

But British immigration was not sensible immigration either so who made them the supreme to decide what's sensible immigration and what's not? The fact that White Australians excuse themselves from immigration but are loud speakers against it is not so simple enough to understand yep.


I'm not here to talk like a baby. I'm here to say it how it is - which is that many cultures in the third world ARE backwards

So that's that then. I should also say how it is - that West is just a plastic collection of product buyers and lack of culture, they're just cultureless consumers feeding off others and constantly cribbing