Australian PM, Tony Abbott, threatens to deport disruptive asylum seekers

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...who-swear.html

Tony Abbott threatens to deport asylum seekers who swear

Australia’s prime minister threatens to deport asylum seekers who spit, swear or “irritate people”

Tony Abbott, Australia’s prime minister, has been accused of creating a “climate of terror” for asylum seekers after introducing a code of behaviour which threatens to deport those who swear, spit, irritate people or spread rumours.

Mr Abbott’s government revealed in December that asylum seekers who arrive by boat and are in Australia on temporary visas would have to sign a new code of conduct that bans harassment, bullying and disruptive behaviour.

Now a draft set of rules, leaked to refugee advocates, spells out the precise requirements for asylum seekers, saying they must not “irritate” people, “disturb someone”, spit or swear in public, or “spread rumours… or exclude someone from a group or place on purpose”.

“Antisocial means an action that is against the order of society,” the document says.

“This may include damaging property, spitting or swearing in public or other actions that other people might find offensive. Disruptive means to cause disorder or to disturb someone or something.”

Since his election last September, Mr Abbott has adopted a hard-line refugee policy aimed at stemming the flow of boat people who cross from transit camps in Indonesia. He has deployed the navy to tow back boats to Indonesian waters, though this led to a rift with Jakarta after navy vessels intruded into Indonesian territory.

Boat arrivals appear to have come to a virtual stop, but the government has faced growing criticism of its approach, which includes deporting all arrivals to offshore detention centres on remote Pacific islands.

The Asylum Seeker Resource Centre, which released a leaked draft of the new behaviour code on its Facebook page, said the rules aimed “to create an environment for asylum seekers where Australia is a horrible place to live”.

“No other industrialised nation criminalises everyday behaviour,” Kon Karapanagiotidis, a spokesman, told The Telegraph. “The idea that spitting in public or getting a parking fine is enough to get you sent to an off shore detention centre is extraordinary. It is an abuse of power and creates a climate of terror for asylum seekers.”

The office of the immigration minister, Scott Morrison, referred to the minister’s comments in December. At the time, he said the code “sets out clear standards of behaviour and expectations relating to values that are important to Australian society”.

This guy is spot on, the more I hear about him the more I like him.

Not only is he tough in the first place on preventing illegals entering Australia (the article says arrivals are virtually zero since the tow-back policy began) but he's also harsh on those who have been granted the very special right to remain in Australia out of the kindness of the Australian people. And these rules make perfect sense: they have been granted the privilege of staying in Australia for a short while, they are guests. Therefore, when you are in the house of a guest you are expected to be on your BEST behaviour otherwise you are out. The same rules should be applied to a country, and Prime Minister Abbott gets it. A great deal of immigrants, especially those from the third world, bring with them the most disgusting habits that we don't want in first world nations. Imagine if such a rule was attempted in Britain? Human rights this, human rights that - but what about the human rights of the people living HERE?

Wouldn't it be nice to have a real small-c conservative minded government here in Britain too?

Thoughts?

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Define 'Disgusting Habits'

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tbh you're the one who's disgusting, op

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Define 'Disgusting Habits'

Poor personal hygiene, female genital mutilation, gang rape of young girls, forced marriages, lack of respect for those who happen to be women or homosexual, lack of tolerance for other points of view - religion for example, no respect for property, knife and gun crime, gang culture......

All third world behaviour that the Australians don't want in Australia and that I don't want in Britain.

tbh you're the one who's disgusting, op

And motherhood and apple pie, I know I know.

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Poor personal hygiene, female genital mutilation, gang rape of young girls, forced marriages, lack of respect for those who happen to be women or homosexual, lack of tolerance for other points of view - religion for example, no respect for property, knife and gun crime, gang culture......

Should we kick out anyone who smells bad then?! I wouldn't call gang rape a habit, That's a crime which is not exclusive to any ethnicity. I would question the judgment of anybody who refers to gang rape as a bad habit...

All third world behaviour that the Australians don't want in Australia and that I don't want in Britain.

Is that implying these problems are exclusive to only those born outside of the uk?

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Should we kick out anyone who smells bad then?!

Well put it this way - if I suddenly found myself living amongst a few thousand people who didn't speak my language, looked down on my lifestyle, changed all my local shops, brought crime with them..... poor personal hygeine would be the least of my worries. But it'd still piss me off and wouldn't make the area a very nice to live in, would it?

Abbott's proposals are very sensible - adapt and integrate with us, and follow the basic rules of western civilisation and you are welcome to stay. If not, then you leave. There is no climate of fear being created - the only people who have anything to fear are those who refuse to submit to our basic customs and expectations as a civilised society.

That's a crime which is not exclusive to any ethnicity. I would question the judgment of anybody who refers to gang rape as a bad habit...

Those rapes are far far higher with certain cultures than others as you know very well. Just as we all know that certain cultural groups have strangely high unemployment rates and certain religious/cultural groups have a knack of forced marriage.

So let's stop this pretence that everybody and every culture is equal because it's very tiresome. Even the Labour Party, probably the most untruthful organisation ever invented, now agrees that we need to 'tackle' these kinds of issues within certain 'communities'. Myself? I wouldn't allow them in in the first place as I don't see why we should have to put up with third world behaviour.

Is that implying these problems are exclusive to only those born outside of the uk?

No, but they are very very very much more common in those non-British and non-western cultures, yes.

Islamic countries and forced marriages.
Somalians and unemployment.
India, the subcontinent and rape.
Asia, Arabia and financial fraud.
Africa with gang violence and rape.

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Poor personal hygiene, female genital mutilation, gang rape of young girls, forced marriages, lack of respect for those who happen to be women or homosexual, lack of tolerance for other points of view - religion for example, no respect for property, knife and gun crime, gang culture......

Okay sooo different ill practices from all over the world but every third world country represents them apparently, you're gross op

Well put it this way - if I suddenly found myself living amongst a few thousand people who didn't speak my language, looked down on my lifestyle, changed all my local shops, brought crime with them..... poor personal hygeine would be the least of my worries. But it'd still piss me off and wouldn't make the area a very nice to live in, would it?

Nice. Bet the Aboriginals relate to this

Those rapes are far far higher with certain cultures than others as you know very well

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Islamic countries and forced marriages.
Somalians and unemployment.
India, the subcontinent and rape.
Asia, Arabia and financial fraud.
Africa with gang violence and rape.

The West and shameless racism.
The West using the internet as a tool to spread outrageous stereotypes

So let's stop this pretence that everybody and every culture is equal

Is this where you deny being racist and use the excuse of the existence of your non white friends

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Okay sooo different ill practices from all over the world but every third world country represents them apparently, you're gross op

Third world countries represent those things much more than western nations, yeah absolutely. If I happened to have a boyfriend, would I want to live in a western country or Africa/the Middle East or Asia? Think about it son.

Nice. Bet the Aboriginals relate to this

Absolutely true, and that's why i'm making the argument against mass immigration. Why repeat the wrongs of the past?

The West and shameless racism.
The West using the internet as a tool to spread outrageous stereotypes

The statistics there say they don't include unreported rapes/crimes. Considering how many third world countries accept the rape of women (married and unmarried) as a normal thing rather than a crime, those statistics don't surprise me in the slightest.

If something is accepted as normal practice within a country, then it's not going to be reported to the Police and even if it is, then it's going to be brushed aside. And that's even if the victims want to go to the Police in the first place (assuming they have a functional police force) due to the fact that in many of these countries to get anything done you need to bribe the Police.

Is this where you deny being racist and use the excuse of the existence of your non white friends

You are beyond reason when it comes to these sorts of things, didn't you argue with FlyingJesus (Tom) a while back that only white people could be racist or something? It was something bonkers like that.

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Third world countries represent those things much more than western nations, yeah absolutely. If I happened to have a boyfriend, would I want to live in a western country or Africa/the Middle East or Asia? Think about it son.

Well SON I hope you know that whatever horse**** you came up with like female genital mutilation and gang culture (what even....) is pretty much unheard of in most of the the third world countries so quit making a rigid identity of all the third world countries SON

Why repeat the wrongs of the past?

White people not acknowledging obvious blunders of the past and being a hypocrite about it : Exhibit A

The statistics there say they don't include unreported rapes/crimes. Considering how many third world countries accept the rape of women (married and unmarried) as a normal thing rather than a crime, those statistics don't surprise me in the slightest.

Unreliable sources did not stop you to make generalizations did it....eeek

You are beyond reason when it comes to these sorts of things, didn't you argue with FlyingJesus (Tom) a while back that only white people could be racist or something? It was something bonkers like that.

Nah SON I said no one can be racist towards white people...something bonkers like that although you were just too busy being worried about being labelled a racist

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Well SON I hope you know that whatever horse**** you came up with like female genital mutilation and gang culture (what even....) is pretty much unheard of in most of the the third world countries so quit making a rigid identity of all the third world countries SON

125m women in the Third World nations have undergone Female Genital Mutilation according to the World Health Organisation (WTO) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation ... and I very much doubt those figures will include more who won't have been recorded as undergoing such a practice due to bad government records/lack of healthcare in many of those third world nations.

So don't try pull the wool over our eyes and pretend that the west has just the same problem as many third world countries in regards to rape, female genital mutiliation and so on because that's just total rubbish and I won't be having it.

[FGM] Most common in 27 countries in sub-Saharan and north-east Africa, as well as in Yemen and Iraqi Kurdistan[3]

OMG! HOW JUDGEMENTAL OF WHOEVER WROTE THAT WIKI PAGE! THOSE WAYCIST WHITE PWEOPLE.

White people not acknowledging obvious blunders of the past and being a hypocrite about it : Exhibit A

Well that's a bit of a racist statement to refer to me as a white person when in reality skin colour doesn't matter does it not? I'm an individual thank you very much, not a 'white person' just as you are an individual and I don't refer to you as a 'brown person' everytime I reply to you.

But anyway on your response itself, i've just admitted there to a terrible act in the past in the takeover of native cultures by Britain and other colonial Empires YET it's still not good enough for you is it? I think you just like ranting about how evil white people are so you can feel better about the piss poor record of most third world countries in the post-colonial era.

Unreliable sources did not stop you to make generalizations did it....eeek

I haven't made generalisations at all. The customs of many cultures speak for themselves. Homosexuality and Islam to cite one example.

Nah SON I said no one can be racist towards white people...something bonkers like that although you were just too busy being worried about being labelled a racist

Oh so you did argue that, well there you have: utter lunacy. I would ask about the slavery of white people in Eastern Europe by the Arabs under the Ottoman Empire but I somehow have a feeling that i'd be pissing in the wind even attempting try and reason with you.