Malaysia Airlines MH370 - Missing Plane

[xxMATTGxx]

are you talking about today? i honestly think it could be the first time, reporters have been standing outside the house for days now and they say there was always police there, but this is the first time they're reporting them going inside and spending 4 hours there

Yeah I'm talking about today, they said they were doing it / done or not that long after the press conference by the Prime Minister earlier on this morning.

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[Jurv]

i've been following this from the start and it's so frustrating that pretty much NOTHING has been found

i really do hope it gets solved, i'd hate to be related to one of the passengers in this sort of sitaution

[Derrener]

not sure if this has already been posted but http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26591056

[Kardan]

I suppose now that there's a possibility it's been flew back to mainland Asia, there's an increased chance that the plane landed somewhere remotely and any survivors still haven't made contact with the outside world.

[wixard]

I suppose now that there's a possibility it's been flew back to mainland Asia, there's an increased chance that the plane landed somewhere remotely and any survivors still haven't made contact with the outside world.

how many passengers were there? i think around 230. to keep that many people alive with food/water supplies and without detection would be extremely hard! i feel if it was hijacked, all passengers were killed my depressurisation in the cabin but your guess is as good as mine

perhaps they've kept a handful alive? also i realise you're not saying they're all alive just quoting you because you mentioned survivors

[Kardan]

how many passengers were there? i think around 230. to keep that many people alive with food/water supplies and without detection would be extremely hard! i feel if it was hijacked, all passengers were killed my depressurisation in the cabin but your guess is as good as mine

perhaps they've kept a handful alive? also i realise you're not saying they're all alive just quoting you because you mentioned survivors

Well, the hijacker might have landed in the middle of nowhere. I'm sure there's plenty of places in Asia where you won't find technology for miles and miles. I'm not saying it's happened, I reckon it's still very highly unlikely, just now it's slightly more plausible then before. But yeah, still anyone's guess.

[xxMATTGxx]

Expert Was Needed to Disable Malaysia Airlines Jet Systems

Intresting article and also has a nice simple video that will explain certain parts for everyone as well.

http://online.wsj.com/news/article_email/SB10001424052702304914904579439653701712312-lMyQjAxMTA0MDEwNDExNDQyWj

[buttons]

6:06 pm
BREAKING


Reports coming out of China that Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah's wife and three children had moved out of the family home the day before flight MH370 disappeared.








http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/mh370-live-first-pictures-child-3245935#ixzz2w3kREfZK
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[wixard]

6:06 pm
BREAKING


Reports coming out of China that Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah's wife and three children had moved out of the family home the day before flight MH370 disappeared.








http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/mh370-live-first-pictures-child-3245935#ixzz2w3kREfZK
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that's not breaking i heard that this morning!
just find it a bit odd that the info is only coming to light now, somethings not right about it
i feel the malaysian government would have known about that the second the plane disappeared and they got in touch with family so i'd like to think it's not relevent

[scottish]

I wonder if they know where they've gone and found them or what..

[lemons]

hmm we could be in for breakthrough soon

[buttons]

yeah maybe they just waited until confirmed it was a hijacking before posting potential motives etc, didnt mention who the 2 fake passports were of until they knew it was just people hoping to migrate
always known the pilot has a simulator at home but are posting that as new news too
also noticed they had been posting about the co pilot and what his family were saying about him even before they were talking about hijacking by the pilot(s), haven't heard anything from pilots family yet don't thinki?

[Shockwave.2CC]

I do hope it is found safe and well soon


Just seen this on facebook and thought it was so disrespectful

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1/1146689_839018946113523_56389346_n.jpg

[wixard]

pitbull solved the mystery

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/03/13/missing-malaysia-airlines-pitbull_n_4956648.html


no disrespect intended obviously

[scottish]

I seen that about Pitbull a few days ago.

People will make up any old **** these days.

[scottish]

Dramatic new information is emerging tonight.

We can reveal that Captain Shah was a fervent support of Malaysia's opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim.

Fears are now growing that he may have hijacked the plane HIMSELF to carry out an anti-government protest.

Read our full exclusive story here.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysian-airlines-fears-over-3247649

[wixard]

Dramatic new information is emerging tonight.

We can reveal that Captain Shah was a fervent support of Malaysia's opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim.

Fears are now growing that he may have hijacked the plane HIMSELF to carry out an anti-government protest.

Read our full exclusive story here.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysian-airlines-fears-over-3247649

god the mirrors starting to piss me off, we knew this information ages ago because it's posted publicly on his facebook page

[Ardemax]

The Mirror really needs to take a long hard look at itself.

[buttons]

god the mirrors starting to piss me off, we knew this information ages ago because it's posted publicly on his facebook page
what his profile page?
again prob coincidence as why try to fly 4-7 hrs away (gd know how many hours they're saying now) to protest
may as well just refuse to fly rather than put other people's life at risk

[wixard]

what his profile page?
again prob coincidence as why try to fly 4-7 hrs away (gd know how many hours they're saying now) to protest
may as well just refuse to fly rather than put other people's life at risk

yeah his facebook profile has a few public posts where he is extremely vocal about his support for the political opposition
i don't think it has anything to do with this plane though

[scottish]

Seems odd that that happened as well as his family moving etc though.

Anyone know if authorities found his family or if they've disappeared?

[buttons]

is this old news also?

11:20 pm
The Telegraph reports that the supergrass said he met the Malaysians – one of whom was a pilot – in Afghanistan.


He said he had given them the explosive device to use to take control of an aircraft.


11:16 pm
BREAKING:


Claims have emerged of a plot by Malaysian Islamists to hijack a passenger jet in a 9/11-style attack.


The Telegraph reports that an al-Qaeda informant told a court last week that a group of Malaysian men had planned to seize an aircraft by blasting open the cockpit door with a shoe bomb.


The paper reports that security experts are treating the evidence from a convicted British terrorist as “credible”.






http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-live-3239624#ixzz2w51dvIau
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sounds like **** :/

[scottish]

mm, anythings possible I suppose.

Surely if it was an extremist group they would have claimed it at the start and there'd be demands or a terrorist attack, not just steal the plane? (with regards to 9/11 style attack, surely they'd try to cause mass damage, not just run away?)

Might be denied in a few hours though, only time will tell..

[buttons]

plus why would pilot need explosive device to take control of plane they're already in control of lol
unless they're meaning a passenger who is also a pilot but they'd probably have searched the passengers to see if any had flying experience
so yea probably denied soon

[xxMATTGxx]

I hope this week they actually find the plane so we can start looking for the proper answers and not this whole load of speculation floating around. (Not blaming you guys) just some of the stuff that gets reported by the media is like utter ********.

There is just so many questions unanswered - Even the ones about the government in the first place.

[scottish]

That's the media for you though, anything that'll get them viewers will get posted. As **** as it is..

[xxMATTGxx]

That's the media for you though, anything that'll get them viewers will get posted. As **** as it is..

Yeah I know, just sucks.

[Stephen]

I just want them to find the plane so they can start making the film :¬:

[scottish]

Another bizarre theory is that cyber hackers may have taken over control of the plane using a mobile phone.

Dr Sally Leivesley, a British anti-terrorism expert, told the Daily Express that hackers could have changed the plane's speed, altitude and direction by sending signals to its flight management system.


Think they're posting anything now..

[scottish]

Police believe one of the passengers on the missing plane had undergone flight training, according to the Sunday Times.

The paper also reports that an American expert in interpreting radar data, Scott Dunham of the National Transportation Safety Board, has been flown to Malaysia to assist with the search.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-live-3245935#ixzz2w5UR9qRJ
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Must be checking the passenger info now.

[karter]

surely if they flew over land they could've been tracked tho?? :S

[Eric]

so many theories and info flying around :S

not sure about jihadists and shoe bomb, why use a flight of a muslim country?? a flight with so many chinese which could escalate conflict with china??

[xxMATTGxx]

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surely if they flew over land they could've been tracked tho?? :S

This shows how big the world actually is and there is quite a lot of remote places. Although, if it did landed you would have thought someone who wasn't "part of it" would have spotted it.

[karter]

i dont think it could fly near indo-tibet border and not been spotted the area is highly militarized

[Matt]

I find it so weird how it flew for so many hours after dropping all communication and not one person saw anything. If it did land somewhere, how has no one come forward they saw a plane coming in to land at a small airfield or airbase that doesn't normally have commercial planes landing there. Someone must've seen something and just hasn't come forward. Maybe this week will be the week they find it.

[xxMATTGxx]

Some of the latest:


(Reuters) - India on Sunday put on hold its search for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, at the request of the government in Kuala Lumpur, which wants to reassess the week-old hunt for the Boeing 777 that is suspected of being deliberately flown off course.

India had been combing two areas, one around the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, and a second, further west, in the Bay of Bengal. Both operations have been suspended, but may yet resume, defence officials said.

"It's more of a pause," said Commander Babu, a spokesman for the country's Eastern Naval Command.

"The Malaysian authorities are reassessing the situation. They will figure whether they need to shift the area of search."

Source: http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/03/16/malaysia-airlines-india-idINDEEA2F01I20140316

[xxMATTGxx]

More updates according to AP/Sky News:

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[Eric]

600 potential runways for plane to landhttp://www.thestar.com.my/~/media/Images/TSOL/Photos-Gallery/Nation/2014/03/16/600runways.ashx

According to WNYC, the missing plane could have landed in 634 runways in 26 different countries.

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/03/16/Missing-MH370-600-potential-runways-for-plane-to-land/

[wixard]

just confirmed in the Q&A that the transponder was turned off BEFORE the pilot signed off with 'all right goodnight.'

very interesting

[Matt]

Not looking good for the Pilot.

[xxMATTGxx]

just confirmed in the Q&A that the transponder was turned off BEFORE the pilot signed off with 'all right goodnight.'

very interesting

Transponder or ACARS? I'm hearing ACARS they are two different systems.


Main points from the recent conference:


25 countries are now involved in the search effort, which is now focused on large tracts of land covering 11 countries, and deep stretches of sea.

It was confirmed police have searched the homes of the pilot and co-pilot - removing a flight simulator from the pilot's house - but the two men did not ask to fly together on flight MH370.

The plane did not take off with any additional fuel on board, other than what would be needed for a normal flight.

It is possible that the last satellite signal received from the plane was sent when the plane was on the ground.

Authorities do not believe there was any hazardous cargo on board.

The plane's ACARS transmission system was switched off before the plane's last communication with ground control.

[wixard]

oh the forum that translated the Q&A may have got confused then as it says transponder, looking at articles it seems it's being reported one or the other. most reporting ACARS first, the last communication and then the transponder

[buttons]

so all the sightings of a burning plane near the sea aren't true then
do ppl just make this up for fun

[-:Undertaker:-]

All very strange this story.

But as Matt said before, it goes to show how big the world really is. Humans are a mere speck on the face of the Earth.

[xxMATTGxx]

Nice graphic that shows what we know so far:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/rw/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2014/03/16/Health-Environment-Science/Graphics/wSEARCH15-Gb.jpg

[scottish]

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[Shockwave.2CC]

Wow the ages of the passengers range from 2 years old to 73 years old

[xxMATTGxx]

If I was at this press conference I would ask so much better questions.

[xxMATTGxx]

@ReutersAero: Malaysia airlines CEO says initial indications show co-pilot was the last person to speak to aviation controllers. #MH370

@ReutersAero: No evidence from telecom companies that passengers managed to dial out after plane re-routed to west - MAS CEO. #MH370

@ReutersAero: MAS CEO: ACARS last transmission 1:07; switched off any time between then and next transmission expected 30 minutes later. #MH370

[Matt]

Australia's been allocated a section of the Indian Ocean by WA, along with Indonesia, to search for the plane.

[wixard]

xxMATTGxx; I know nobody can really answer this but since you're following the story do you think the co pilot speaking last indicates he was the one that took control or do you think the pilot may have switched off the ACARS when he wasn't looking? the co pilot is so young!

[xxMATTGxx]

xxMATTGxx; I know nobody can really answer this but since you're following the story do you think the co pilot speaking last indicates he was the one that took control or do you think the pilot may have switched off the ACARS when he wasn't looking? the co pilot is so young!

It's one of those questions that the answer is possible or maybe. If and only if it was the co-pilot then he would have either had to lock the Captain out, got him on his side (maybe the plan was done together?) or the captain was taken out. Or there was in fact an actual hijacker who got into the cockpit.

Oh and if he did turn off when he wasn't looking a warning message would come up most likely on the The displays stating it has been.

[xxMATTGxx]

It's another theory but since we have all been posting them I may as well share this one.

http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/post/79838944823/did-malaysian-airlines-370-disappear-using-sia68

What do you all think of that? I'm going to go down the route of very unlikely but who knows.

[scottish]

Surely if there's 2 planes the radar would still detect that though?

Like if you send 6 fighter jet into the air and get them to fly together, I highly doubt it's going to show up as 1 plane?

[Chippiewill]

Like if you send 6 fighter jet into the air and get them to fly together, I highly doubt it's going to show up as 1 plane?
Close enough they'd look like 1 big plane.

[xxMATTGxx]

Surely if there's 2 planes the radar would still detect that though?

Like if you send 6 fighter jet into the air and get them to fly together, I highly doubt it's going to show up as 1 plane?

If one has a transponder on and the other doesn't then you will probably only see the one and might class the other one as a "glitch" - Maybe?

[scottish]

idk, but if you're military why not just tail a passenger flight with your transponder off, it can't be that easy surely? :p

[le harry]

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/6013265#menu102

For anyone who is taking a serious interest into the disappearance. Lots of speculation/conspiracies being thrown around however an abundance of knowledgeable posters (pilots/air traffic controllers) to confirm/disprove any conjectures.

Edit: Up to page 32 here (http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/6028287/#menu27).

[xxMATTGxx]

idk, but if you're military why not just tail a passenger flight with your transponder off, it can't be that easy surely? :p

Technically a fighter jet could do that. You need the transponder on for the TCAS on the airliner to see where the traffic is. If it's off you wouldn't know if a plane was behind you or whatever unless someone on the ground told you they were.

[scottish]

Yeah but from the ground they'd still surely see that there's multiple?

Like the passenger flight doesn't know but ground radars surely would..

[xxMATTGxx]

Yeah but from the ground they'd still surely see that there's multiple?

Like the passenger flight doesn't know but ground radars surely would..

Depending on the country and what ATC systems they have then most likely. But it wouldn't show any of the aircraft information I don't believe.

[scottish]

Yeah I figured without transponder etc it wouldn't show info, but you'd still see the dot on the radar or whatever, especially military radars I'd imagine?

Idk I've never looked into radars or that much into flying, but just seems that the theory is highly unlikely as otherwise tailing commercial planes would be a very easy way of avoiding any radars allowing you to invade any countries airspace with ease.

[xxMATTGxx]

Yeah I figured without transponder etc it wouldn't show info, but you'd still see the dot on the radar or whatever, especially military radars I'd imagine?

Idk I've never looked into radars or that much into flying, but just seems that the theory is highly unlikely as otherwise tailing commercial planes would be a very easy way of avoiding any radars allowing you to invade any countries airspace with ease.

It's why I questioned why did no one pick it up or send jets up when they confirmed they tracked an aircraft turning back on radar.
le harry; Yeah I've been reading Airliners.net and Pprune since day one. Great places to read anything on there about aviation.

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Found this on Airliners.net in regards of Primary VS Secondary Radar



• Primary radar is based on the original military usage. It sends out a strong (KW to MW) signal and looks for a reflection from something.
• Primary radar provides distance and location. Comparing returns speed can be determined. Strength of return can indicate size.
• Stealth a/c and ships are designed to absorb or miss-direct the reflection so primary radar cannot see them.
• Primary radar does not depend on the transponder, so turning off a transponder will not make an a/c disappear from primary.
• Primary radar is less prevalent than secondary - and more typically military tho ATC's do use it.
• Secondary Radar is really not Radar in the defined sense. It is directional communication.
• In secondary radar a directional signal is sent out (much less powerful than primary). Any a/c with a transponder that receives it will respond (the transponder responds) with information about the aircraft.
• Combined with the direction of the outgoing beam, the time of flight information and returned information, the a/c location and identity (and other info depending on the mode) is returned.
• Secondary radar is the primary method used by ATC.
• If the transponder fails or is turned off - secondary radar will not see the a/c.
In the case of MH370:
• The transponder was turned off - so the a/c disappeared from secondary (ATC) radar.
• A target was tracked west, then northwest using primary radar. That target was correlated with SATCOM pings help determine it was MH370.
scottish;

[scottish]

Ah, well the primary radar would detect the SIA86 (iirc) flight, and see that it's a lot bigger than a typical 777 surely? So figure somethings up

Unless they ignore primary radar at ATC (in which case military should then notice it)

[xxMATTGxx]

Ah, well the primary radar would detect the SIA86 (iirc) flight, and see that it's a lot bigger than a typical 777 surely? So figure somethings up

Unless they ignore primary radar at ATC (in which case military should then notice it)

I would assume so if that's how it would show up. Hopefully they will find something out sometime soon :/

[Calum0812]

I believe primary radar is used by normal airports in the UK, but it's used as a backup (incase someone doesn't get their transponder correctly) so I'm confused why over there it is military only

[scottish]

Think mattg posted said secondary is used primarily, not that secondary isn't used at all by them?

[Calum0812]

Think mattg posted said secondary is used primarily, not that secondary isn't used at all by them?
He's correct, most airports use secondary radar to identify aircraft and correlate them, but most UK airports that have any sort of traffic going through them will have at least primary radar so they can see what's flying about. Secondary radar gives a bit more info like their callsign, altitude, speed etc whereas primary just gives the blip. I believe primary and secondary work together but don't quote that aha

[scottish]

He's correct, most airports use secondary radar to identify aircraft and correlate them, but most UK airports that have any sort of traffic going through them will have at least primary radar so they can see what's flying about. Secondary radar gives a bit more info like their callsign, altitude, speed etc whereas primary just gives the blip. I believe primary and secondary work together but don't quote that aha

My post failed, what I meant was "Thing mattg posted said secondary is used mainly by the ATC, not that primary isn't used at all"

So the other airports in Malaysia will use the primary I'd imagine.

[Calum0812]

My post failed, what I meant was "Thing mattg posted said secondary is used mainly by the ATC, not that primary isn't used at all"

So the other airports in Malaysia will use the primary I'd imagine.
Sorry it's been a long day haha

Possibly but I'm very confused how an aviation network could work efficiently with just primary radar. If they have no level read out for the aircraft, they can't separate them from other aircraft efficiently, so they have to plan for them to be at every level (so like 0ft to 40,000ft or something) which would cause so much hassle in busy airspace round London because they rely on separation by levels, speed and lat & lon. Obviously they can get the pilot to report their level. idk. I am not hugely familiar with ATC services outside the UK and the ones inside I only understand basic principles of.

I heard somewhere only the military of Malaysia has access to primary radar meaning if they switched the transponder off, they wouldn't show up on civilian radar at all - strange...

[scottish]

Yeah, but I'd imagine if they checked the primary radar (obviously not built into the secondary radar if it's dropped it) then it would have been on there (as military tracked it it obviously did appear on it) but whether or not the airport had used primary and if not why not is still to be answered.

[Calum0812]

Yeah, but I'd imagine if they checked the primary radar (obviously not built into the secondary radar if it's dropped it) then it would have been on there (as military tracked it it obviously did appear on it) but whether or not the airport had used primary and if not why not is still to be answered.
Not sure about En Route. As I said to Matt the other day, if this accident had happened in UK airspace we'd know a lot more about it. Feels like info is being kept back - very weird

[xxMATTGxx]

Not sure about En Route. As I said to Matt the other day, if this accident had happened in UK airspace we'd know a lot more about it. Feels like info is being kept back - very weird

Yeah if a commercial airline lost contact or suddenly "disappeared" in UK airspace from radar we would easily send a couple of RAF Typhoons up for sure just to idenity the target and to make sure they weren't hijacked etc etc. We have done it in the past!

http://www.ihateryanair.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/typhoon02.jpg

[Calum0812]

Yeah if a commercial airline lost contact or suddenly "disappeared" in UK airspace from radar we would easily send a couple of RAF Typhoons up for sure just to idenity the target and to make sure they weren't hijacked etc etc. We have done it in the past!

http://www.ihateryanair.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/typhoon02.jpg
Isn't it said we have one of the best airforces in the world though? Sad really, just needs to be justified what happened to all of those people. A 777 can't just DISAPPEAR with 200 and odd people on...

[xxMATTGxx]

Isn't it said we have one of the best airforces in the world though? Sad really, just needs to be justified what happened to all of those people. A 777 can't just DISAPPEAR with 200 and odd people on...

Well one of the best but it's not like Malaysia don't have the equipment in terms of fighter jets.

[Woutou]

Last words before transmission went off was from the co-pilot he said'' Alright, Goodnight'' Pretty creepy

[scottish]

That's been known for like 6 days, what's creepy about it?

[karter]

how is goodnight creepy

[xxMATTGxx]

From the earlier conversation we was having - It is most unlikely/highly impossible:

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[Calum0812]

From the earlier conversation we was having - It is most unlikely/highly impossible:

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I know I should be asleep...
TCAS relies on the transponder being on. If they switched their transponder off, they'd have been invisible to the other aircrafts TCAS. However. To fool primary radar into thinking they were the same aircraft, you'd be looking at a couple of hundred feet together - not likely.

[xxMATTGxx]

I know I should be asleep...
TCAS relies on the transponder being on. If they switched their transponder off, they'd have been invisible to the other aircrafts TCAS. However. To fool primary radar into thinking they were the same aircraft, you'd be looking at a couple of hundred feet together - not likely.

Yeah I know that but to do that in night time would be somewhat amazing.

[buttons]

what u guys think of this? is likely they dropped in order to see better and couldn't see and that's why they went a different route?


America's former head of air security believes the crew of missing flight MH370 died heroically trying to save the plane from a fire.


Billie Vincent, former head of security for the Federal Aviation Administration throughout the 1980s, has dismissed theories of a terror attack or suicide mission.


Instead he believes the pilots struggled to save their aircraft after a blaze in the cargo hold until they were eventually overcome by smoke.


Latest updates on search for missing jet
Mr Vincent, who was an expert witness in the Lockerbie bombing trial, said: “The data released thus far most likely points to a problem with hazardous materials.


“This scenario begins with the eruption of hazardous materials within the cargo hold – either improperly packaged or illegally shipped – or both.”


Mr Vincent believes a fire started in the cargo hold and gradually destroyed the plane’s communications systems.


He says toxic fumes would have quickly overwhelmed the passengers and cockpit.


Mr Vincent guesses that one of the pilots managed to put on an oxygen mask and tried to turn the plane back to Kuala Lumpur.


He puts the plane’s rapid ascent and descent down to the crew simply not being able to see properly until they manage to stabilise at 23,000 ft.


Mr Vincent added: “The airplane then continues flying until no fuel remains and crashes – most likely into the ocean as there has been no report of any Emergency Locater Transmitter (ELT) signal which can be received by satellite if the crash were on land.”


And Mr Vincent, who played a key role in negotiations after the hijackings of US planes during the 1980s, insists it is unlikely the aircraft was sabotaged.


He said: “There is no indication that either of the pilots was criminally involved in the disappearance of this aeroplane.


“Neither has Malaysia released any data indicating anything amiss in the security clearance of the passengers for this flight.


“The one question raised about the two passengers travelling on stolen passports has been cleared indicating that they were planning on illegally claiming refugee status in another country, probably Germany.


“I have yet to see anything released about the nature and content of the cargo carried in the cargo hold of MH370.


“Hazardous cargo can be legally carried on passenger aircraft. However, the amount and type of such hazardous materials are strictly controlled.”






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[lemons]

on kissfm they said the families of the passengers are threatening to go on hunger strike unless they find out more info

[wixard]

buttons; I'd absolutely love to believe that story and really don't want to put a black mark on either pilots name but the fact is they switched off their systems before last communication, why woild they do that

[Calum0812]

@buttons (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=42203); I'd absolutely love to believe that story and really don't want to put a black mark on either pilots name but the fact is they switched off their systems before last communication, why woild they do that
I think the source is suggesting the fire would've taken out said systems (stored in the avionics gay forward of the cargo hold I believe)

[Kardan]

what u guys think of this? is likely they dropped in order to see better and couldn't see and that's why they went a different route?


America's former head of air security believes the crew of missing flight MH370 died heroically trying to save the plane from a fire.


Billie Vincent, former head of security for the Federal Aviation Administration throughout the 1980s, has dismissed theories of a terror attack or suicide mission.


Instead he believes the pilots struggled to save their aircraft after a blaze in the cargo hold until they were eventually overcome by smoke.


Latest updates on search for missing jet
Mr Vincent, who was an expert witness in the Lockerbie bombing trial, said: “The data released thus far most likely points to a problem with hazardous materials.


“This scenario begins with the eruption of hazardous materials within the cargo hold – either improperly packaged or illegally shipped – or both.”


Mr Vincent believes a fire started in the cargo hold and gradually destroyed the plane’s communications systems.


He says toxic fumes would have quickly overwhelmed the passengers and cockpit.


Mr Vincent guesses that one of the pilots managed to put on an oxygen mask and tried to turn the plane back to Kuala Lumpur.


He puts the plane’s rapid ascent and descent down to the crew simply not being able to see properly until they manage to stabilise at 23,000 ft.


Mr Vincent added: “The airplane then continues flying until no fuel remains and crashes – most likely into the ocean as there has been no report of any Emergency Locater Transmitter (ELT) signal which can be received by satellite if the crash were on land.”


And Mr Vincent, who played a key role in negotiations after the hijackings of US planes during the 1980s, insists it is unlikely the aircraft was sabotaged.


He said: “There is no indication that either of the pilots was criminally involved in the disappearance of this aeroplane.


“Neither has Malaysia released any data indicating anything amiss in the security clearance of the passengers for this flight.


“The one question raised about the two passengers travelling on stolen passports has been cleared indicating that they were planning on illegally claiming refugee status in another country, probably Germany.


“I have yet to see anything released about the nature and content of the cargo carried in the cargo hold of MH370.


“Hazardous cargo can be legally carried on passenger aircraft. However, the amount and type of such hazardous materials are strictly controlled.”






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Mr Vincent guesses

That says it all really, although it is a different theory to what everyone else is saying - but is there even evidence of hazardous materials on board the plane?

[Calum0812]

That says it all really, although it is a different theory to what everyone else is saying - but is there even evidence of hazardous materials on board the plane?


“I have yet to see anything released about the nature and content of the cargo carried in the cargo hold of MH370"
I guess not, hopefully they'll release this kind of info soon

[scottish]

Aren't the systems that were turned off in different locations though?

I'm sure there was an image showing where each part is, and there's like one in the wing, one at the back?

So if it was smoke surely it would maybe take out one but not multiple?

Nice theory (well as nice a theory as you can get) instead of jumping on the hijacking/pilot though.

[GommeInc]

Does anyone else find these theories sensationalist and somewhat offensive? Accurate information is more likely to come from Malaysian Authorities. Why the media is asking people from different jurisdictions about their "ideas" is absurd.

[scottish]

probably for new stories and everyone thinks Malaysian authorities are hiding info, so useful to get outside views on the event.

I don't mind stories like that where they're guessing what happened or from experts, but when they have people claiming they know what happened it's counterproductive and annoying.

[GommeInc]

probably for new stories and everyone thinks Malaysian authorities are hiding info, so useful to get outside views on the event.

I don't mind stories like that where they're guessing what happened or from experts, but when they have people claiming they know what happened it's counterproductive and annoying.
Agreed, and they seem to be chucked into real expert views which invalidates their expert opinions. They should just focus on experts, not authorities from other countries completely unlinked to the event. Having a 10 minutes interview where the crux of their answer is "I don't know - it's unprecedented" wastes time that could be spent on good journalism.

[xxMATTGxx]

Aren't the systems that were turned off in different locations though?

I'm sure there was an image showing where each part is, and there's like one in the wing, one at the back?

So if it was smoke surely it would maybe take out one but not multiple?

Nice theory (well as nice a theory as you can get) instead of jumping on the hijacking/pilot though.

Which systems in question? Transponder and ACARS are in the cockpit.

[wixard]

surprised nobody has posted about the maldives sighting yet

http://www.haveeru.com.mv/news/54062

take it with a pinch of salt, 10 days later and they're only saying it now?


on a more reputable note perhaps (although who knows at this stage) is thailand saying they spotted a plane, but never alerted malaysia because they didn't specifically ask...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/thailand-gives-radar-data-10-days-after-plane-lost/2014/03/18/1eb2d682-ae9c-11e3-b8b3-44b1d1cd4c1f_story.html?Post+generic=%3Ftid%3Dsm_t witter_washingtonpost

[scottish]

Which systems in question? Transponder and ACARS are in the cockpit.

Wasn't it you who posted something showing a diagram of the plane, and to turn one thing off it was a two man job because he'd have to leave the cockpit and go to the back of the plane

Also, is the transponder on the black box, or is that only used in case of emergency (like when submerged in water)? as surely a fire wouldn't take that out as it's meant to be like everything-proof including bomb proof..

[xxMATTGxx]

Wasn't it you who posted something showing a diagram of the plane, and to turn one thing off it was a two man job because he'd have to leave the cockpit and go to the back of the plane

Also, is the transponder on the black box, or is that only used in case of emergency (like when submerged in water)? as surely a fire wouldn't take that out as it's meant to be like everything-proof including bomb proof..

The two man job option if it did take place would to be disable satellite communication which isn't located in the cockpit. The transponder and ACARS is the cockpit and is in the pilots reach. The transponder is on the cockpit pedestal and isn't attached to the black box (black box are normally in the tail section of the plane)

Black box isn't a piece of equipment the pilots use when flying the aircraft. It's basically a digital voice/data recorder and records what the plane is doing, what's happening and what is said. And yeah the black box is protected and can withstand impacts of equivalent to 3,400 times the force of gravity and temperatures up to 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit.

[scottish]

Yeah I know pilots don't use it, but there's GPS tracking on it isn't there, is that only activated in the event of it being submerged in water/crash detected? or is the GPS always on?

Ah, so the fire must have spread over the whole plane to get the sat communication disabled then?

So if it was a fire it would have had to knock out communications before the pilots noticed, then spread across the full plane to take out all of the stuff to knock it off radar?

[xxMATTGxx]

Yeah I know pilots don't use it, but there's GPS tracking on it isn't there, is that only activated in the event of it being submerged in water/crash detected? or is the GPS always on?

Ah, so the fire must have spread over the whole plane to get the sat communication disabled then?

So if it was a fire it would have had to knock out communications before the pilots noticed, then spread across the full plane to take out all of the stuff to knock it off radar?

It sends out ultrasound pulses at an interval once every second for 30 days which they haven't been able to trace.

A fire could technically do that but with the pings from the SAT a fire seems more unlikely to have taken place if it was able to fly for X amount of hours afterwards. Although if a fire did take place there is a number of fire detection systems on board a commercial airliner.

I've also taken a screenshot of where the transponder actually is in the Boeing 777 from Flight Simulator (based of the real plane) it's pretty much in the middle of the two pilots for anyone who is interested:

http://mattgarner.net/uploads/2014-03-18_18-32-31.png

[Calum0812]

Although if a fire did take place there is a number of fire detection systems on board a commercial airliner.
Backup systems, extinguishing systems, alert systems, prevention systems. You name it, most modern airliners have it. The 777? One of the most up-to-date aircraft flying

[scottish]

Few updates it seems

http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article3258295.ece/BINARY/malaysia.jpg

"Tomnod, an online satellite image website, has been invited millions of people around the world to scour their images in search of flight MH370.

This image was found by a university student in Taiwan.

It appears to show a plane underneath cloud over a jungle."

"Thailand said earlier today a re-examination of its military radar data showed it HAD picked up the plane re-tracing its route across Peninsular Malaysia.

The Thai military had previously said it had not detected any sign of the plane.

What happened next is less certain."

The disappearance has, unsurprisingly, been the number one topic of conversation at the International Society of Transport Air Trading conference in San Diego this week.

The annual gathering has drawn around 1,600 people connected with the industry.

What do they think happened to flight MH370?

"The people that I deal with are looking at this with great concern - it appears considerable efforts may have gone into cloaking the aircraft," said Robert Agnew, chief executive of aviation consultant Morten Beyer & Agnew, referring to reports that the plane's primary means of communicating with air traffic control were intentionally disabled.

"We are speculating on what was actually done in the cockpit. If this is a planned terrorist activity, could others know the process and copy it?," he asked.

Philip Baggaley, an analyst at Standard & Poor's, said: "The disappearance of MH370 has been a topic of private conversation here.

Baggaley said the consensus is that someone in the crew or among the passengers with close knowledge of how to disable communications systems took the plane over.

"They mostly guess that it crashed in the Indian Ocean, rather than landed safely at a new destination, because the plane probably would have been picked up by military or other radars if it flew over land," he said.

There are some holdouts. One aviation consultant, who asked not to be named, was adamant that Asian militaries know more about the missing plane than they have acknowledged.

"I find it hard to believe the military intelligence in the region doesn't know where that plane is," the consultant said. Those countries all spy on each other."

Malaysia has allowed some countries to take control of the search efforts after confusion over instructions.

There are now around 25 countries involved in the vast operation to search the two northern and southern "corridors".

But some officials said their aircraft and ships have been left sitting doing nothing while they await guidance from Kuala Lumpur.

Instructions on how to proceed are “not very clear” a senior South Korean military official in Seoul told the Wall Street Journal.

Malaysia has now ceded some control and will allow countries to make their own decisions.

The Aviation Safety Network says at least 88 aircraft have gone missing since 1948 - and NEVER been found.

They've compiled this Google spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/a/trinitymirror.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtJ5lIkXTREydHN3Z1FZd3h6Nm9DWXg2VjJCMHpVd UE&usp=sharing#gid=2) of various passenger, cargo and military planes that have vanished all over the world.

Among these, is the story of airliner with 107 US military personnel on board that disappeared over the Pacific Ocean in 1962.

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BREAKING NEWS

People living in the Maldives claim to have seen a "low flying jet" going over one of the islands on the morning of the disappearance of flight MH370.

Local website Haveeru says several residents report the sighting at around 6.15am on March 8.

They said that it was a white aircraft, with red stripes across it – which would roughly match a Malaysia Airlines aircraft.

"I've never seen a jet flying so low over our island before. We've seen seaplanes, but I'm sure that this was not one of those. I could even make out the doors on the plane clearly," said an eyewitness.

"It's not just me either, several other residents have reported seeing the exact same thing. Some people got out of their houses to see what was causing the tremendous noise too."

The BBC is reporting that the search for flight MH370 is being hampered by 'red tape' in Indonesia.

The authorities are refusing to let planes over their territory, it is claimed/

The BBC's Rupert Wingfield Hayes in Kuala Lumpur said scheduled search flights on Tuesday were abandoned because of the international bureaucracy.

Berita Harian, a Malaysian newspaper, is reporting that Captain Zaharie Shah's homemade flight simulator had software for five practice runways around the Indian Ocean.

The simulator was taken away from the pilot's upmarket home last Saturday.

It has been reassembled at police headquarters so it can be examined by investigators.

According to Harian, software on the simulator included practice landings at runways in the Maldives, three in India and Sri Lanka and another belonging to a US military base in Diego Garcia.

"All have a runway length of 1,000 metres," a source told the Malay daily.

The UK military is ready to consider requests for help in Malaysia in its search for the missing jet.

Chief of Defence Staff General Sir Nick Haughton spoke to his counterpart in Malaysia, the Ministry of Defence said.

A spokesman said that Gen Houghton did not offer the use of any specific piece of equipment or military unit, but made clear Britain was ready to help if it was feasible to do so. No request has yet been received from Malaysia.

A Hull student is among the passengers missing following the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

Yue Wenchao, 26, who is on a postgraduate course at the University of Hull Business School, was studying in the UK and was visiting his girlfriend.

He was originally from inner Mongolia and went to Hull in in September 2012, after graduating from the North China Electric Power University in the same year.

It is believed that he was on his way to Beijing to visit his girlfriend. On March 7 he wrote next to a picture of her: "See u in Beijing!"

Mr Hussein criticises foreign press which he says is stirring up politics.

He re-iterated that the issue is "above politics" and the countries involved are focused on the search operation.

He said: "It is the foreign press which has brought that up. If I am not mistaken, it was The Daily Mail and CNN who said brought politics into this."

Malaysia today rejected criticism from U.S. government officials that it has not been sharing as much information as it could with foreign governments about the disappearance of flight MH370.

Two U.S. security officials said yesterday that the Malaysia had still not invited the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) to send a team to Kuala Lumpur to assist in the probe into the disappearance of Malaysian Airlines Flight MH370.

"I have been working with them," Malaysia's Defence and Acting Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said when asked if the country had requested FBI help.

"It's up for the FBI to tell us if they need more experts to help because it's not for us to know what they have."

While Malaysia's police special branch has been providing some information to U.S. law enforcement and intelligence agencies, U.S. sources said, the FBI is only collaborating with Malaysian authorities via an agent, known as a "legal attache", assigned to the American Embassy in Kuala Lumpur.

The FBI and other U.S. law enforcement agencies, such as elements of the Department of Homeland Security, indicated some time ago they were eager to send teams to Kuala Lumpur, but will not do so unless formally invited.

Asked if any FBI staff had travelled from outside Malaysia, Hishammuddin said: "Once I have spoken to one FBI representative, I assume the whole FBI would be behind it."

The FBI has extensive experience in investigating plane crashes, including the crashes off the U.S. east coast of TWA 800 and Egyptair 990.

In the case of Egyptair 990, the FBI helped air safety investigators establish that the crash was caused by a suicidal co-pilot.

In the TWA 800 case, the FBI conducted a lengthy investigation that eventually helped the National Transportation Safety Board discredit theories that the plane was hit by a missile, but instead was brought down by a freak accident involving overheated fuel.

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First image I'm not sure if that's supposed to be landed or flying over, but surely if it's landed it would be smashed to bits there and if not then surely satellite is real time? unless they're going back days and scanning the images then I suppose could be a good idea of where it's headed, hope more is released on this from Tomnod

Glad to hear they're letting countries do as they wish now as I've seen a few times ships sitting about waiting on Malaysia to instruct them to do something which is wasting hours that they could be using productively, fair enough managing the 25 countries will be hard but this is step in right direction.

Regarding maldives, took them 10 days to say something about it? seems fishy.

Don't know why Indonesia are being *****s.

Regarding flight sim, the US base seems a bit odd but then again might have just been something fun to try and obviously it's going to be looked down upon now since this has happened, but I'm sure they fly to other places so only time will tell if MA actively flies to the other destinations or what..

[wixard]

thanks scott informative post

i'm starting to lose my enthusiasm for this, but i'm glad i learnt so much from a tragic accident/incident along the way
i'll continue to check this thread/other threads relating to MH370 on other forums daily

[scottish]

Yeah admittedly I've not been checking about as much, so figured I'd update the thread :p

If it has crashed though the black box will only have 19/20 days left.

The conferences don't give out much lately I don't think, just seem to be a lot of mention over the area that's being searched (2.24million nautical square miles), confirmation of ACARS disabled between 1.07 and 1.37, about more countries joining, and it's hard to manage 25 countries.

Interested to see what will come back on that Tomnod image though as that plane seems very low.

[scottish]

Mr Hussein said that radar data had been received, but that he could not release information from other countries.

He said the reports in the Maldives were not true.

In what could be a significant lead, it turns out that data has been deleted from one of the flight simulators found in the pilots home. Forensics are looking at trying to retrieve the data.

Speaking about the police investigation, he said all passengers, crew and ground staff were being investigated.

Ukraine and Russia are the only countries that have not completed background checks on their nationals.

He added that "the passengers, the pilot and the crew remain innocent until proven otherwise."

Outside the press conference, a woman thought to be a relative of a passenger has been knocked to the floor in scuffles.

Sky News has been running dramatic pictures from what appears to be the lobby of the hotel where the press conference is taking place with a press scrum following the woman.

Police pushed the media out of the way and the women were very distressed, according to Kay Burley.

Relatives unfurled a banner about an hour before today's press conference started in Mandarin.

As the press tried to move in they were bundled out of the room.

A woman in her 50s or 60s who appeared heartbroken was manhandled and taken to another room.

It is believed the relatives were trying to storm the conference but they were stopped by police.

Police were also stopping media from talking to the relatives.

Relatives of people on board the missing Malaysia Airlines plane today tried to stage a protest at the hotel where a daily press conference was taking place.

They tried to unfurl a banner for the media to see, but they were bundled into another room before being removed from the hotel.

One woman, believed to be in her 50s or 60s, was knocked to the floor amid all the confusion which was recorded by news cameras from around the world.

She screamed loudly as she was bundled away by police, up an escalator and into another room before being ushered out of the hotel by three men.

From inside the press conference, acting transport minister Hishammuddin Hussein said: "Emotions are running high".

The banner is believed to have said: "We demand the Malaysian government reveal the truth."

One woman (pictured below) repeatedly cried: "Where are they? Where are they?"

One of the main points to come out of the press conference was that files were deleted a month ago on a flight simulator at the pilot's home.

Malaysian police chief Khalid Abu said the records of simulations carried out on the machine were deleted on February 3.

However, acting transport minister Hishammudding Hussein said that pilot Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah is innocent until proven guilty of any wrongdoing.

Indonesia is believed to have finally given clearance for search planes to enter its airspace.

Aircraft from Australia, Japan and the UAE were waiting to fly surveillance aircraft but the country had been dragging its heels.

Acting transport minister Hishammuddin Hussein has said he "regrets" the scenes outside the press conference.

He has now ordered an inquiry into what happened and the handling of the grieving relatives.

We've had a couple of translations of what two women were saying as they were bundled out of the press room.

A middle aged woman shouted: "They are just saying wait for information. Wait for information. We don't know how long we have to wait.

"Why won't they give us an explanation? My son. It's been 12 days. I have been here 10 days ... every time we ask a question they don't give us answers."

She was then bundled away by police, up an escalator and into another room.

A second woman wearing sunglasses and a face mask said: "We call on the Malaysian government to give us information immediately. There is no information, just endless searching.

"We are not satisfied with the Malaysian government's conduct. We don't need the Malaysian government to take care of us. What we need is the truth. We need to know where the plane is," she said.

As she was carried away she repeatedly cried: "Where are they? Where are they?"

Annoying again, claiming they seen something and it being false.

I still somewhat doubt the flight sim will actually provide anything.

Why the hell are they stopping relatives from going to the press conference and even manhandling them...

[wixard]

as much as i feel for the relatives and the unbelievable frustration that they must be experiencing, i can understand how they might be acting up and it honestly isn't going to make the search any faster or make the malaysian government give them any more information that they may or may not have. i don't feel like the 'manhandling' is wrong, they're just trying to keep everybody safe

[scottish]

I agree that it's just ultimately going to waste peoples (officials) time in the way they're acting up, but completely disagree with the way they're being handled.

Sure at worst block them off from getting into the news conference, but never lay a hand on them, they're already grieving over potential death of their relatives don't need to be pushed about and manhandled by police as well.

If they think something is being hidden from them must be the way the official dealing with them is coming off or something too, as you're not instantly going to think oh my governments hiding something from me? well might do but don't think I would anyway

Then again could just be due to the misleading reports and stuff being given out near the start.

[Eric]

About the manhandling thing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAXbF2b7WMQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Again, it's emotional but throwing water bottles isn't going to get you any answers. Idk if they're hiding any information but even if they do, isn't it just too much to be covered up? And they wouldn't ask for help from so many countries if they're really going to maintain everything in secrecy

[merier]

i read a theory that the cockpit could have caught on fire and the pilot was just trying to get the nearest airport but crashed??

probably wrong

[scottish]

That was posted last page

[scottish]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2584399/Malaysia-confirms-new-radar-data-missing-plane-flying-country-wont-say-security-reasons.html

Malaysia confirms it has new radar data on missing plane flying over another country (but won't say where for security reasons)
Malaysia says it has 'some radar data' on missing flight MH370
Officials say they are 'not at liberty' to release data from other countries
Relatives of missing stormed press conference where news was revealed
Distressed family held up banners saying officials were 'traitors'
Pilot had programmed a remote island into his home flight simulator
FBI will help analyse any electronic files deleted from the simulator
Search deemed an 'international effort' as 26 countries look for plane
Officials are focusing search on area in southern Indian Ocean
They dismissed previous claims plane was spotted over the Maldives
Rubbished claims flight was using waypoints when last seen on radar

[MilksAreUs]

Data was also erased from the flight simulator - Sky News


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[xxMATTGxx]

Data was also erased from the flight simulator - Sky News


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Data being removed from the flight simulator or computer is normal. I think it's reported data was removed like a month before?

[scottish]

Mentioned a few times already, doubt it'll be anything.

[Blinger]

PM Abbott has made a statement that 2 objects were spotted in the southern ocean. A RAF has been sent to suss the satellite images out.

[Blinger]

Roughly 24m they reckon the debris is. It was found roughly 2500km south west of Perth from memory.

[xxMATTGxx]

I hope it's connected just so it can progress an extra step.

[xxMATTGxx]

10:50
According to the Royal Navy website HMS Echo is mid-way through an 18-month deployment to improve charts used by seafarers across the world. The British ship has been in the Gulf conducting hydrographic surveying - but will now join the search for flight MH370.

10:42
The UK Ministry of Defence has confirmed that the UK is sending HMS Echo - a coastal survey ship - to the southern search corridor.

[le harry]

doubting the debris is relevant but hoping it is. have the feeling that the australian government wanted to show they're doing their part in the search considering the international coverage... would be a very Tony Abbot thing to do.

[MilksAreUs]

Data being removed from the flight simulator or computer is normal. I think it's reported data was removed like a month before?

Oh right.


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[Matt]

Tony Abbot is just creating a hype over nothing. He's even said he thinks it could most likely be a container from a container ship. Also the fact the currents in that part of the Indian Ocean are really strong means the possible debris has been pushed East anyway.

[wixard]

more random information ive learnt due to mh370

-australias prime ministers name
-that he's a complete goon

was disappointed waking up with no push notification about the debris being confirmed/denied. skimmed through a few updates, seems like the press conference touched on nothing new and the families are leaving the hotel for a new location

[Matt]

more random information ive learnt due to mh370

-australias prime ministers name
-that he's a complete goon

was disappointed waking up with no push notification about the debris being confirmed/denied. skimmed through a few updates, seems like the press conference touched on nothing new and the families are leaving the hotel for a new location

You can say that again. I'd say he's sent them to the wrong area for a start. The amount of specialists that have said the currents in that area push East would surely indicate to him that he'd need to search the Ocean south of Australia and not in the area where the 'debris' was actually seen by satellite.

I feel so bad for the families of the people on board. They're being thrown around in every direction regarding the information being provided to them by authorities. And from the footage showing the way the press are getting on in Malaysia, makes me feel even more for them.

[lemons]

Revealed: the final 54 minutes of communication from MH370
The entire 54 minutes of cockpit communication aboard the missing Malaysia Airlines flight can be revealed, from its taxi on the runway to its final message at 1.07am of “Alright, good night”.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/10714907/Revealed-the-final-54-minutes-of-communication-from-MH370.html

[scottish]

Read that, says it can't be verified as MA won't verify it, Malaysia's Civil Aviation authority won't verify it and the prime ministers office said it wouldn't give out that information.

[xxMATTGxx]

WASHINGTON — The Pentagon says it has spent $2.5 million to help in the search for the missing Malaysian Airlines jet.

The Defense Department has been flying high-tech surveillance planes to assist in the effort. The spending also includes operating costs for ships that have assisted in the search, which has stretched across the South China Sea and into the Indian Ocean.

A Navy P-8 Poseidon plane has been searching the Indian Ocean region where satellite imagery showed objects that may be from the plane. A P-3 Orion didn’t fly Friday but is expected to rejoin the search Saturday.

A Pentagon spokesman says $4 million has been budgeted, and that amount could last into early April depending on the number of flying hours and whether other equipment is needed.


http://www.navytimes.com/article/20140321/NEWS08/303210041?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

This is just for the US Navy by the way and not the whole search by various countries

And the search continues....

[wixard]

http://www.navytimes.com/article/20140321/NEWS08/303210041?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

And the search continues....

jesus

how many days in are we? at what stage do you all reckon the families will be sent home/head back home for good? (until it's resolved)

been very quiet lately

[xxMATTGxx]

jesus

how many days in are we? at what stage do you all reckon the families will be sent home/head back home for good? (until it's resolved)

been very quiet lately

I don't think any of them will be "forced" back but some may have to go home for various reasons. It has been very quiet lately which isn't a good sign but the only real thing they can now is trying to locate it I suppose.

[xxMATTGxx]

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Oh and there is reports from yesterday that the aircraft was also carrying lithium ion batteries in the cargo hold.

[sex]

BREAKING NEWS: China says it has located a large 100ft object in the Indian Ocean on day three of the search for missing MH370

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2586716/Search-flight-MH370-continue-indefinitely-says-Australia-warned-debris-sighting-false-lead.html


Chinese authorities have found a large piece of debris during the search for missing flight MH370, Malaysia's transport minister said today
Hishammuddin Hussein said Chinese satellites had located an unknown object measuring 98ft long by 72ft wide in the remote southern Indian Ocean area where searches have been concentrated.
He made the announcement after being handed a handwritten notes during a daily press conference on updates in the search for the missing Malaysian Airlines airliner.
He gave no further information, except to say that Chinese authorities would make an official announcement 'in a couple of hours'.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2586716/Search-flight-MH370-continue-indefinitely-says-Australia-warned-debris-sighting-false-lead.html#ixzz2wgfA8tqs
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[wixard]

the light has gone now, i doubt we'll get any new information for at least another 8+ hours

[xxMATTGxx]

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[Mr-Trainor]

Malaysia says it has received new satellite images from France showing potential debris from missing flight MH370 in the southern Indian Ocean.

It's in the same area as the images we've seen from Australia and from China this week. The BBC also reports that 'more planes are joining the hunt for MH370'. It does seem as though they're getting closer to finding something now, so hopefully they do.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26705073

[karter]

well the wreckage is probably dispersed over hundreds of kilometres now (if the jet crashed in water)

[Shockwave.2CC]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/story/25048566/french-data-show-possible-debris-from-jetliner

[God]

Well this looks interesting indeed.

https://www.facebook.com/115534755190836/photos/a.242514035826240.59090.115534755190836/670569639687342/?type=1


-Mods please delete the post. The photo link thingy didnt work-

[wixard]

emergency conference called for 10pm, 2pm our time

think they've found it

[xxMATTGxx]

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If that is true then they have some sort of information for sure. Unless there wouldn't be a reason for them to fly to Australia - Who knows. But according to the recent searches then they haven't found anything so not sure.

[xxMATTGxx]

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[Kardan]

They texted the family? That seems a bit... informal.

[j0rd]

looks like it's been found too, that probably will be confirmed in tomorrow's conference

[wixard]

They texted the family? That seems a bit... informal.

i suppose it's a lot of people to contact and they're not all going to be in the same place, i'm sure some of them didn't fly out to malaysia

edit: assuming they wouldn't make such a statement without hard evidence, RIP to all those on board MH370

[xxMATTGxx]

looks like it's been found too, that probably will be confirmed in tomorrow's conference

I'm not watching it but does it sound like that they have found the wreckage?

[j0rd]

BBC made it sound like they're almost certainly found it, the conference didn't confirm it though.

here's the text that was sent out to family members:
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[wixard]

I'm not watching it but does it sound like that they have found the wreckage?

i'm not watching either but looking at twitter it appears they didn't confirm any debris and just said 'according to new data'

[xxMATTGxx]

I'm going to go with they haven't found any wreckage related to the aircraft but thanks to the confirmation of the data they know for sure the flight ended in that specific area. If they did have wreckage I would have thought they would report that today and not delay that any further.

[Eric]

'ended in southern indian ocean' he said more details will be revealed in tomorrows press conference

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[wixard]

am i right in saying that the press conference will be held at 6am or 6.30am
so late this evening our time?

or am i just making that up in my head, i'm just going by past conferences as i'd love to know more information before i went to sleep later

[xxMATTGxx]

To also inform everyone there is about 14 days left on the blackbox pingers.

[Ardemax]

To also inform everyone there is about 14 days left on the blackbox pingers.

Gonna sound stupid here, but does that mean it's gonna be nearly impossible to find after that?

[Cerys]

Gonna sound stupid here, but does that mean it's gonna be nearly impossible to find after that?

I guess It means if It's at the bottom of the sea and they sail over it or fly over,they'd have no idea that they just went over as they don't receive the signal so it'll certainly make it harder to find
But not impossible to find, it just depends on its location really :p

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[xxMATTGxx]

Gonna sound stupid here, but does that mean it's gonna be nearly impossible to find after that?


I'm not going to say it's fully impossible as we never know what we can do these days but it will be a hell of a lot harder to find the blackboxes once the pingers have stopped working.

[karter]

well the black box of the brazilian flight was found 2 years later in the atlantic ocean

[xxMATTGxx]

well the black box of the brazilian flight was found 2 years later in the atlantic ocean

They knew where the wreckage was though. So they had a good idea where they would be. We still haven't got any wreckage from this aircraft which is why it's a much harder task.

[Mr-Trainor]

They knew where the wreckage was though. So they had a good idea where they would be. We still haven't got any wreckage from this aircraft which is why it's a much harder task.
It does seem as though they're getting closer to finding something though. It also seems that they know the location where it crashed in to the sea?

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'Missing plane: How did a UK firm track the plane?' http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26723980

[le harry]

It does seem as though they're getting closer to finding something though. It also seems that they know the location where it crashed in to the sea?

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'Missing plane: How did a UK firm track the plane?' http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26723980

How did a 'uk firm'? Lol nice BBC.

[GommeInc]

Every country seems to be doing a "Look what we're doing to help!" story at the moment. Australia is literally going crazy over contributing. The PM has a bit of an ego he wants to feed, apparently.

[Eric]

PC now, 122 possible objects seen

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Obamas visiting Malaysia next month...

[xxMATTGxx]

How did a 'uk firm'? Lol nice BBC.

It has that title because the firm who looked into the data is British, therefore a British company. Whether you think it's a good title or not is your view :P

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PC now, 122 possible objects seen

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Obamas visiting Malaysia next month...

I'm going to guess this isn't helping either: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Ocean_garbage_patch


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This also shows the current wind in the area: http://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/orthographic=98.54,-23.24,777

[myles]

cant we just forget about it now?

[karter]

...wtf at memorials it's still not been confirmed if they're dead

[buttons]

still think of this everyday but don't even bothering google as it's depressing seeing nothing's found, guessing there's no new news?b

[scottish]

yeah same, usually whenever I look it's just the same cycle so gave up looking.
xxMATTGxx; will know

[xxMATTGxx]

There isn't much new really. I think it was announced that the flight simulator on the captains computer had no traces of anything bad which is normal. Everything else is about the continued search and which countries are doing what.

[buttons]

only other thing ive seen is that the copilot apparently actually said goodnight mh370 instead of alright goodnight but could just be a goodnight from mh370 kinda thing

[Zak]

Surprised they managed to lose a plane in this day and age. Really surprised they haven't found any debris either.. (even though lots of debris has been sighted).. Waiting for the conspiracy theories to start now..

[Chippiewill]

...wtf at memorials it's still not been confirmed if they're dead

If you haven't heard from them by this point then they're almost definitely dead.

[karter]

but still its kinda informal and stupid to just assume they're dead. they're still missing

[Absently]

can't believe they've still not found it can't imagine how horrible it is for family and friends poor souls :(

[mrwoooooooo]

but still its kinda informal and stupid to just assume they're dead. they're still missing

sure, maddie mccann isn't dead either

[karter]

OBVIOUSLY not saying that there might be survivors but just assuming that missing people are dead by now is stupid god get off my back

[Lee]

It's an intriguing story.. I imagine one day somebody will stumble across the plane be it 10 years from now or 10 minutes but I do hope they find it even if it's solely to get answers and solutions to prevent it happening again.

[Matt]

I'm starting to think they will never find this plane. The fact that the black box batteries run out soon means it will be almost impossible to find.

[scottish]

Didn't it take them two years to find the air france black box?

[xxMATTGxx]

Didn't it take them two years to find the air france black box?

Correct but they found wreckage well before then so they had some help on knowing where they were going to be in a way.

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Didn't it take them two years to find the air france black box?

Correct but they found wreckage well before then so they had some help on knowing where they were going to be in a way.

[Eric]

Things are getting a bit political

[GommeInc]

Things are getting a bit political
It has been since Australia got involved and the PM went on a self-righteous mission :/

[Liva]

It has been since Australia got involved and the PM went on a self-righteous mission :/

Ugh tony Abbott *vomit*


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[Daltron]

It has been since Australia got involved and the PM went on a self-righteous mission :/

He's such an embarrassment to this country :/

[Matt]

He wants to be the superhero in this situation and is trying to get as much credit as he can, for Australia

[xxMATTGxx]

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He wants to be the superhero in this situation and is trying to get as much credit as he can, for Australia

If the Australian Commonwealth is putting forth the only first world effort to find the plane out of kindness, then why not?

[Mr-Trainor]

HMS Echo arrived earlier in the area where the first two pulse signals were picked up, hopefully they'll pick up the same signal.

[xxMATTGxx]

One of the Aussie ships have also picked up the signals from the pingers. Can read about the latest press announcement by going to: http://online.wsj.com/news/article_email/SB10001424052702304819004579486333990223954-lMyQjAxMTA0MDAwNzEwNDcyWj


Now it's going to get more complex for them due to the depth of the water in those areas.

[Zak]

How long until the pings stop?

[Matt]

I hope they find it. I think this evidence of the finding the black box seems pretty solid.

[Mr-Trainor]

How long until the pings stop?
The plane went missing 8th March and I believe the pingers last around 30 days, so any time now :Slant:.

[Zak]

The plane went missing 8th March and I believe the pingers last around 30 days, so any time now :Slant:.

Gutted they don't just have a few extra days :( I hope they can find it but I doubt it now

[scottish]

The most likely will as if that is the signal then they've just turned the search radius into a fraction of what it was.

[xxMATTGxx]

The batteries are just an estimate so they could stay alive a few extra days etc.

[GommeInc]

The batteries are just an estimate so they could stay alive a few extra days etc.
Didn't one of the investigators say it's more than likely they could last to as much as 90 days? The 30 days number is just a minimum number if I recall correctly.

[xxMATTGxx]

Didn't one of the investigators say it's more than likely they could last to as much as 90 days? The 30 days number is just a minimum number if I recall correctly.

Can't say I've seen that myself personally but could be possible.

[Liva]

Surely if the plane had gone into the ocean, some sort of evidence would have washed up by now? Life jackets, luggage, wreckage -some things float, and with the natural sea rhythm you would think that something would've been washed onto a shore or beach by now?


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[-Moniquee.]

I am really gutted for the families - they literally have no answers.. Any hope would be slim by now

[Jim10767]

How the hell have they still not found it

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[lemons]

boko haram have it

[Kardan]

It's almost as if it's lost in the middle of an ocean.

[!x!dude!x!2]

Pretty sure they gave up on it ?

[Matt]

I don't think they gave up on it. I know there's still stuff coming out about it at the moment but It has been an incredibly long time. Who knows???!

[Zak]

There is no longer a signal from the black box which makes the plane a lot harder to find.

[karter]

i read that 3d mapping the ocean floor at the supposed location could take 3+ years?

[xxMATTGxx]

It's not that far off from the 3 month mark of it being missing.

[xxMATTGxx]

Update:


Malaysia ends search for MH370, officially declares disappearance of plane in Indian Ocean in March 2014 an accident.


Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-31039460


I guess we was all expecting this announcement sooner or later considering how long it has been. But now it's official.

Edit: some sources say the search continues but has been officially declared as an accident.

[scottish]

I would imagine some searches are still on going, even if they've declared it's an accident I'd imagine there'll still be an investigation open on it.

Like if you lack evidence/suspect in a murder investigation even after years it would just go to a cold case, but it would still be an open investigation (even if no-ones actively working on it)

[xxMATTGxx]

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I hope one day we will find out what really happened to flight MH370. But for now it will remain a mystery.

[Empired]

Jesus christ was it really 2014? Feels like a few weeks ago still.