[Community Polls] For and Against displayed in first post

[RyRy]

K, kinda saw where this would help in this thread: http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=817081&p=8295193#post8295193

Before posting these community polls, can you open PMs for users to pitch their "for" and "against" ideas so we get a clearer picture of what it's about and why it'd benefit us or why it'd be a bad idea? That post I've quoted has no bad repercussions to it yet people aren't understanding actually what's going on with it, so yeah... things like that might help in the future if forum management are willing to do it.

It's not a big thing, but it'd be nice.

[Inseriousity.]

Decisions already super slow and now you want to add a consultancy period into it as well :P
Whole point of feedback forum is that people say their side, other people say the opposite side and then management make a decision based on the argument rather than the numbers on either side (which are not necessarily representative of the whole forum but the arguments for/against a decision would be similar regardless of how many). Making a decision is always going to annoy someone on the side you didn't agree with but it's going to happen sooner or later. I'd choose sooner.

[Phil]

At the start of the thread I thought I had explained what was proposed pretty well :P

[scottish]

In this case, there was no reason against it, so there shouldn't have been a poll from the start. But god forbid staff actually have to code :P

and in future if you do a poll, don't make it Yes or No, because then the results are absolutely useless as people who don't care vote either one when that's not their actual stance on the poll.

[RyRy]

At the start of the thread I thought I had explained what was proposed pretty well :P

I just think having pros and cons shown by members might've been better, not knocking you.


Decisions already super slow and now you want to add a consultancy period into it as well.
Whole point of feedback forum is that people say their side, other people say the opposite side and then management make a decision based on the argument rather than the numbers on either side (which are not necessarily representative of the whole forum but the arguments for/against a decision would be similar regardless of how many). Making a decision is always going to annoy someone on the side you didn't agree with but it's going to happen sooner or later. I'd choose sooner.

Yeah I know, it's one of those suggestions which isn't a big deal if it didn't happen but something that management should consider in the future for the bigger issues. :p

okay i think i broke the forum by quoting you mike i cant unedit the quotes LOL

[Phil]

In this case, there was no reason against it, so there shouldn't have been a poll from the start. But god forbid staff actually have to code :P

and in future if you do a poll, don't make it Yes or No, because then the results are absolutely useless as people who don't care vote either one when that's not their actual stance on the poll.

Before I posted the thread I posted the options in the Feedback thread asking if they options were okay and FlyingJesus; who actually came up with the idea said that they were okay. I can't help that people who don't care vote.

Also, I didn't think it necessarily needed a poll either but Chris said as it would effect all users, there needs to be a poll.

[FlyingJesus]

Absolutely zero actual arguments against the change and only a difference of 2 votes, and that's still 21 people with a reason for vs 0 with a reason against

[Inseriousity.]

1 with a reason against. I thought Joe's point was well reasoned even if the conclusion of that meant the idea had to go more radical haha :)

[Kyle]

Make the change for Christ sake


~~from phone

[scottish]

That would require common sense Kyle; :P

[Empired]

I know you're all annoyed that the change wasn't implemented but I'm sure a lot of people don't want the new system for a reason they just haven't posted. You're all very vocal in Feedback but a lot of others might not be. Just because they don't want to voice their opinions doesn't mean they don't have the right to have one.

Although it seems like the majority of people posting want the new change, that's probably just because the people who don't don't vocalise their ideas as much. It's their community just as much as it is ours. I, too, would have liked to see the change implemented but we've been outvoted.

This isn't me criticising your outspokenness btw. I think it's good to be vocal on the forum but we can't force people to speak up. Trying to get them to speak up would just make them even more quiet if I think about it.

It's interesting that the vote was so close though. Maybe it would be sensible to vote again in 6 months time and see if anything has changed? I wouldn't suggest it if it had been 16 to 34 votes or something but 21 to 23 is very close.

[FlyingJesus]

Utterly daft that things go to poll at all rather than just being rationalised and decided upon by the merit of the argument, Habbox has never been intended as a democracy

[Kyle]

I know you're all annoyed that the change wasn't implemented but I'm sure a lot of people don't want the new system for a reason they just haven't posted. You're all very vocal in Feedback but a lot of others might not be. Just because they don't want to voice their opinions doesn't mean they don't have the right to have one.

Although it seems like the majority of people posting want the new change, that's probably just because the people who don't don't vocalise their ideas as much. It's their community just as much as it is ours. I, too, would have liked to see the change implemented but we've been outvoted.

This isn't me criticising your outspokenness btw. I think it's good to be vocal on the forum but we can't force people to speak up. Trying to get them to speak up would just make them even more quiet if I think about it.

It's interesting that the vote was so close though. Maybe it would be sensible to vote again in 6 months time and see if anything has changed? I wouldn't suggest it if it had been 16 to 34 votes or something but 21 to 23 is very close.
The majority of people either voted no because they don't care (no option provided for that... Huge oversight) or that they didn't fully understand the implications of the change. Some that voted no actually suggested more radical changes which inherently showed support for the proposal's intentions but had additional demands that they felt would not be met with the suggestion in it's current form, like including -reps, which has already been established as a bad idea.

Feedback has always been very one sided and in this particular case there was no valid opposition aside from speculation that could be easily debunked by looking at the way this system works on other platforms -- which I have personally done during my own research and posted about in the proposal thread.

The bottom line here is that negativity is only perpetuated when it is visible, as can be seen by the display of +reps whose number grows exponentially regardless of the post's content and very often is aimed at another user. The proposal had not one single downfall; there was no risk of bandwagoning because -reps still weren't visible, it was simply a mechanism to allow users to contribute to a post's status if they felt that it was undeserved.

Phil and nick were happy for the change to take place after reading the thread. The culture of complacency and God's shortage of spinal cords when it has come to members of habbox management meant that the change went to a poll instead. I'm still a bit lost for words on that one -- why are we polling a change that is built to prevent negativity? There is literally no valid rebuttal other than e5's "I don't think it's a good idea" or other members' suggestions for more radical approaches of displaying all rep or abolishing -rep entirely. It's a sad day when management can't see that an idea is a good one and implement it and instead decide to veto it entirely because two people more don't want it but haven't posted their logic.


~~from phone