Tuition fee rises will not affect Welsh Students!

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

No reply to my post. :P There is a great deal of difference between having it cushy and being expected to pay this amount. It is estimated that tax evasion costs this country 70 billion a year and put that against benefit fraud of 1billion a year it certainly puts that into perspective.
Link:
http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2...venue-customs/

Why don't they try sorting that out as opposed to hammering the students with such draconian increases?

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I agree we should try and sort that out but people never offer these solutions to begin with. They just go "sgslghjshgng £9k a year?!?!?! Has the PM gone insane? agfasdhfasg it's so much im gunna die lets smash up some windows and walk out of school". THEN they come up with the ideas. Maybe it should be the other way round and things might get done.

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Originally Posted by R0BB13G

I'm not sorted for University? lol. I'm going to be paying the debts like everyone else. I just think compared to around the world people are complaining about nothing. It's £9k a year? So what. Want to pay £50k a year? No didn't think so. It's like someone saying "I'm starving" and complaining they haven't had anything to eat for a few hours, but people in 3rd world countries haven't had anything to eat for days and they're not complaining. It's the simple fact we've got used to our cushy everyone gets everything for free and if we don't we make a fuss. We need to get out of that it's no good to anyone.

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Everything is relative:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_relativity

Therefore everything thing should be compared on a basis of what is around us. What is around me is what I base everything against, so moderately affordable university fees is what I have now (Relatively) and barely affordable university fees is what I shall have (Relatively).

Also by 'sorted' I meant that you'll actually be able to make it through university.

Here are a few sample things which also explain why you're wrong:

Complaint (Example only): "The moderators on this forum suck"
You could say: "get what you're given and be grateful"

Complaint (Example only): "I don't like fruit"
You could say: "get what you're given and be grateful"

Complaint (Example only): "It is an outrage that university fees are increasing"
You could say: "get what you're given and be grateful"

Complaint (Example only): "Justin Bieber haters should die"
You could say: "get what you're given and be grateful"

Complaint (Example only): "This TV broke, garrgh!"
You could say: "get what you're given and be grateful"

Complaint (Example only): "I don't like this food"
You could say: "get what you're given and be grateful"

If people never complained then nothing that is broken or wrong could be fixed. If you can address this statement with a sensical argument then FINE, however, so far you have lacked the ability to. Your statement serves no purpose and I have plainly stated why it is so.

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Originally Posted by R0BB13G

I agree we should try and sort that out but people never offer these solutions to begin with. They just go "sgslghjshgng £9k a year?!?!?! Has the PM gone insane? agfasdhfasg it's so much im gunna die lets smash up some windows and walk out of school". THEN they come up with the ideas. Maybe it should be the other way round and things might get done.

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LOL! No it's the ideas that come first then those ideas are abused by the minority of people who aren't really that bothered about the ideas but want to have some "fun" causing a riot, abusing police and all in the name of 'freedom of speech'. I agree with freedom of speech but it's going to be open to abuse, a bit like everything in life really.

Unfortunately Chippie and Rosie, every argument you post here is going to get a 'Try living in America' or 'Doesn't mean you have to smash windows!'.

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Originally Posted by R0BB13G

I'm not sorted for University? lol. I'm going to be paying the debts like everyone else. I just think compared to around the world people are complaining about nothing. It's £9k a year? So what. Want to pay £50k a year? No didn't think so. It's like someone saying "I'm starving" and complaining they haven't had anything to eat for a few hours, but people in 3rd world countries haven't had anything to eat for days and they're not complaining. It's the simple fact we've got used to our cushy everyone gets everything for free and if we don't we make a fuss. We need to get out of that it's no good to anyone.

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9k a year in such a developed country that does not NEED to charge so much is ludicrous.

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Originally Posted by Pyroka

What the hell are you talking about?

If English fees go up, and Welsh fees stay same, where do you think English students will go to? And which students will be affected due to that?

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English students must pay full price.

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Originally Posted by Ajthedragon

English students must pay full price.

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-sigh-

It's lovely when people do not read a thread properly.
Just, cannot, win..

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Originally Posted by R0BB13G

It's not a cop out. And in this case "get what you're given and be grateful" is very applicable..but it's not in all cases I admit. People need to actually just be quiet and get on with their lives, or if they don't like it, do something proper about it, not go around smashing windows. It's not a big increase, and the Welsh assembly have decided to spend their money on this. Personally I'd rather have good health care than cheaper Universities.

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Yes, we should just be a lovely, un-questioning, obedient little workforce that doesn't speak out against anything that seriously affects us and continually allow the government to squeeze us. You know, there's a word for that.

Not all of us were born with a silver spoon stuck up our arses and as such will have to carry the burden of debt for quite some time. Add to that the fact that getting work after graduating is not easy and the future looks bleak. Your argument that 'the USA has it worse' is invalid. It doesn't make what is happening to the English people any more fair. Tell me, if someone robs two neighbours, taking £5000 from one and £10000 from the other, does this mean that the person who lost £5000 should 'deal with it'? Of course not. We have every right and perfect reason to complain about this unnecessary change, especially when it doesn't affect the Welsh and the Scottish get a free ride. While you may be the kind of person who is willing to be bullied into paying more you are in a shrinking minority.

I'd like to point out to chippiewill, shar and whoever is is stupid enough to take offence at the word 'poor' that you are way too sensitive. Admittedly, I can think of circumstances where poor can be used as an insult but that has not happened in this thread, nor has anyone actually been called poor..

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Originally Posted by Chippiewall

UKIP can't be in power for the next election, so there's no point voting for them expecting them to change this. Labour is the only one which may play a part in preventing this, therefore voting for them is strategic.

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When voting, the whole point of voting is to vote for what you believe in - rather than voting for the expected winner. See now, your second part is exactly what i'm on about and why we keep getting treated like dirt by successive governments; you all sit here and complain, I provide examples on how the offical 'opposition' are just as bad and have a track record in telling lies yet you are still prepared to vote for them.

If you voted for Lib/Lab/Con then you voted for it, will you continue voting for it? that's the question.

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Originally Posted by Milestone

9k a year in such a developed country that does not NEED to charge so much is ludicrous.

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I would agree in a way, although I think we are looking at this the wrong way; right now everybody expects to be sucking at the teet of the state for almost everything, and its our own money - we are the ones funding this ourselves. The obvious solution is a much smaller government which, rather than taking money in taxes in the first place - you keep your money in your own bank account rather than having it taxed from you by the government, and then government wins votes from you when it gives you 'free' this, 'free that'.