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Yes, I can't honestly think of one thing I like about the EU - it is utterly incompetent so even when it appears to be making the 'right choices' it doesn't get them right at all and finally everything it does has no mandate from the people as it is unelected.Quote:
Originally Posted by Milestone
Even if it was competent and even if it did mostly do things I agree with I would still be against it as it is unelected and has no mandate.
You are against the easy travel across Europe too?Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
I am yes, that doesn't really affect the UK as much as i'm aware as we are an island we usually have to show our passports anyway (as we do when we fly also). The easy travel across the European Union; it has caused problems mainly since the poorer countries of Eastern Europe joined such as Romania as when poorer people can move to a wealthier area they will do so, in mass droves. I don't blame the poor such as the Roma people but I blame the politicians who thought of this scheme in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Milestone
One example of the Roma gangs; http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8226580.stm
I travelled to Turkey not long ago, and the waiting time at the airport was just the same as when I arrived in Spain via the air - there really is hardly any difference just that in Europe (when on the ground) the borders are often just open but then you still have police who pull people over entering the country as my geography teacher had when the German police pulled him over when he crossed the border.
And besides, I think the Germans have a right to patrol their own borders as do the French, Belgians and Spanish.
its not about policies but how the EU dictates our countrys business through an unelected body because of our participation in the european union. for example, did you know the majority of our laws are infact made in belgium? if these policies came from the UK government i'd be backing them because it shows concern for the welfare of the country - and i'm sure the EU have more important things to sort out like, oh i don't know, the failing economies of portugal, italy, greece and spain, rather than a bit of smog in the air which probably doesn't even affect us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chippiewill
If the EU stopped sending immigrants to this country, maybe our population would be lower and our pollution would be less?
The only thing that I fear if we ever quit the EU is if scotland turn around and want to quit the UK and join the EU.
It is elected, unless of course you re referring to Van Rompuy, in which case I think you'll find he has basically no power and is elected just as much as David Cameron is.Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
Well clearly we can't, because there is a major air problem in parts of the UK and from what I can tell they're only ensuring that we meet the standard which we set our ourselves. It's like having a personal trainer encouraging you to do better.Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
The European Union is not elected, the Council of Europe (Herman Van Rompuy) is not elected by the people and nor is the Commission (the government), the 'parliament' is elected by the peoples however it is not a real parliament as it has no real parliamentary powers hence why Mrs. Thatcher famously referred to it as an Assembly and not a parliament. David Cameron on the other hand is elected, his seat is elected by a portion of the electorate and his party is elected by the British people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chippiewill
So i'm afraid, no - the European Union is not elected.
In that case the EU is doing a pretty piss poor job (as usual) if air quality is still not what they want it, and again I ask - who asked them to set our air quality standards? the people certainly didn't. It is similar to the climate change targets they set, utterly ridiculous and unachievable - made that way in order to fine us. If the EU was given the go-ahead by the people, and if the EU was elected then you may have a point as it would then have legitimacy - but it doesn't have that legitimacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chippiewall
You have just swerved on a massive debate on the EU, when the issue is also pollution in London. If the city of London cannot control their pollution problem, then let the EU do so because if not for pressure, pollution would get worse and at the end of the day these regulations do the country a favour in terms of environmental issues. That's not to say I'm all for the EU politically.
The EU only does it because they now have that power, we've lost it. At least when you set your own policies you can decide what is right for you, rather than have a uniform policy placed on all of Europe which has differing climates and differing industries of which both affect air quality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grig
That's debateable at the best of times. The only countries I know that are happy to let you go through their borders are the Netherlands, Germany, France and Belgium. If you're going through Italy to Spain, Italy to Slovenia or anywhere with mountains, you're stopped and have to be checked, or that's the understanding I get from border controls surrounding Italy at least. Maybe the EU just doubt Italy? :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Milestone
The EU don't need to bother intervening with the pollution levels in London. We're already reducing the lelves and we can't do it any faster, the EU are just pointlessly getting involved and getting some money out of, literally, nothing :P It's not our fault all our old buildings, roads and transport systems were kept intact when Germany went on a rampage and destroyed half of Europe allowing new, "economical" buildings to be built :P
*pushes the war button*