The very air we breathe. Now under EU jurisdiction.

[Agnostic Bear]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12296617

The UK government has just weeks to convince EU officials that it will meet European clean air standards in London, if it is to avoid a court case.

The European Commission is assessing UK data for London and will decide in a month's time whether to give the UK an extension until mid-June to comply.

Last June the Commission gave the UK a "final warning" over air pollution in Greater London and Gibraltar.

Tiny airborne particles, called PM10, are above EU limits in those two areas.

The UK is at stage two of a six-stage infringement process, EU Environment Commissioner Janez Potocnik told reporters in London on Thursday

Excellent. The thought police are starting to set up shop in the EU. This truly is fantastic news.

[-:Undertaker:-]

It doesn't suprise me in the slightest and sadly while the Liberal Democrats, Conservatives and the Labour Party are in power it is only going to get worse and worse and will seep into more and more areas of government as the EU makes vast power grabs to complete the project which is essentially the creation of a centralised European superstate.

All we need to do is wake people up to what is happening, forget tribal voting habits and just simply vote for some common sense. Do we need the EU regulating the air? no. Do we want the EU to continuously fine us on issue after issue? no. For that matter, do we even want the EU? my guess is no so lets end this ridiculous thing once and for all.

The amazing thing is, the EU hasn't had its accounts signed off for the last 16 years (which in other words suggests serious fraud and corruption within the European Union with suspected billions upon billions missing from the books) - yet we'll still pay it, amazing.

[Chippiewill]

How is our air being made cleaner a bad thing exactly?

It's one thing to criticise the EU over stupid policies but this one actually makes sense.

-blah blah blah-

Could you please stop arguing for arguing's sake and actually come up with a good reason as to why our air quality should decrease.

[JoeyK.]

How is our air being made cleaner a bad thing exactly?

It's one thing to criticise the EU over stupid policies but this one actually makes sense.



Could you please stop arguing for arguing's sake and actually come up with a good reason as to why our air quality should decrease.

From what I understand, it's a matter of national sovereignty. Same reason why I dislike the UN.

[Chippiewill]

From what I understand, it's a matter of national sovereignty. Same reason why I dislike the UN.

Why is he posting something that's not news in a thread about news, all he's said is that they're unelected or whatever and it actually has nothing to do with a air pollution. He's complaining despite the fact that they're doing something right and at this point it's gone beyond disliking the EU because they have bad policies or are unelected or whatever it is, it's now at the point where he is complaining about the EU for the sake of complaining.

I don't really think it makes a difference if it's the EU or some badly conceived government department regulation air quality. At least it's being dealt with.

It doesn't suprise me in the slightest and sadly while the Liberal Democrats, Conservatives and the Labour Party are in power it is only going to get worse and worse and will seep into more and more areas of government as the EU makes vast power grabs to complete the project which is essentially the creation of a centralised European superstate.

All we need to do is wake people up to what is happening, forget tribal voting habits and just simply vote for some common sense. Do we need the EU regulating the air? no. Do we want the EU to continuously fine us on issue after issue? no. For that matter, do we even want the EU? my guess is no so lets end this ridiculous thing once and for all.

The amazing thing is, the EU hasn't had its accounts signed off for the last 16 years (which in other words suggests serious fraud and corruption within the European Union with suspected billions upon billions missing from the books) - yet we'll still pay it, amazing.

I have hi-lighted what is actually relevant and he hasn't even given a valid reason.

[JoeyK.]

Why is he posting something that's not news in a thread about news, all he's said is that they're unelected or whatever and it actually has nothing to do with a air pollution. He's complaining despite the fact that they're doing something right and at this point it's gone beyond disliking the EU because they have bad policies or are unelected or whatever it is, it's now at the point where he is complaining about the EU for the sake of complaining.

I don't really think it makes a difference if it's the EU or some badly conceived government department regulation air quality. At least it's being dealt with.


I have hi-lighted what is actually relevant and he hasn't even given a valid reason.

"The European Commission is assessing UK data for London and will decide in a month's time whether to give the UK an extension until mid-June to comply."

This line is news. That alone gives it justification to be in this section. I don't see why you're so happy to let an unelected board control how you live, though - even if it seems 'right' on the surface. Politics are hardly ever completely clear, and can reveal some quite disturbing things in terms of personal rights when you look into them. The Patriot Act in the US is a great example.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Why is he posting something that's not news in a thread about news, all he's said is that they're unelected or whatever and it actually has nothing to do with a air pollution. He's complaining despite the fact that they're doing something right and at this point it's gone beyond disliking the EU because they have bad policies or are unelected or whatever it is, it's now at the point where he is complaining about the EU for the sake of complaining.

I don't really think it makes a difference if it's the EU or some badly conceived government department regulation air quality. At least it's being dealt with.

I have hi-lighted what is actually relevant and he hasn't even given a valid reason.

Because you don't understand my stance - I don't oppose the European Union based upon its policies, I oppose it because it is unelected and we have never been told the truth and been given the chance to vote on what this really is. So i'm afraid the EU being unelected does have everything to do with it, as does cost as I pointed out that the EU hasn't had its accounts signed off for 16 years so I ask why would we even consider giving our money over to a bunch of conmen/crooks? If we were truly sovereign, we would be accountable to ourselves and not an unelected foreign power.

As for air quality - surely this is something we can carry out ourselves considering we have what is the oldest democracy on the planet? or are we incapable of this and so we need to have an army of unelected eurocrats (which we mainly fund) do it for us, set their own rules and then fine us if we don't follow their rules? This isn't on - families and business are struggling and this place still gets its piece of pie - wrong wrong wrong.

[AgnesIO]

Just out of interest, Mr Undertaker, do you really think leaving the EU would solve immigration problems? Do you really think are government would stop spending money on ridiculous things?

[-:Undertaker:-]

Just out of interest, Mr Undertaker, do you really think leaving the EU would solve immigration problems? Do you really think are government would stop spending money on ridiculous things?

Well it would solve one half of the immigration problem as we've seen in recent years the influx from Eastern Europe which no elected government can change here unless we leave the European Union - so thats a fact, not an opinion hence why you see now when the government discusses immigration they say 'non-EU immigration' and the reason is because they have no control over EU immigration anymore. So yes, it would give us room to decide ourselves what immigration policy we have.

The spending part, no I can't gurantee that at all. But leaving the European Union would give us much more money to spend (and if we are going to waste money, i'd much rather waste it on the people here [afterall it is their money] rather than have them paying for new sewers in Budapest, subsidising French farmers and new roads in the Irish Republic).

The EU is the biggest problem this country has, once we get it off our backs - we can either go left or right and thats another debate, but at least then this country and its people can make the decision on how it wants to run itself. The whole point of the EU is to create a European superstate there's no doubt about it - either you're against it or you're not, let the people make the final call on the future of this country.

[AgnesIO]

Well it would solve one half of the immigration problem as we've seen in recent years the influx from Eastern Europe which no elected government can change here unless we leave the European Union - so thats a fact, not an opinion hence why you see now when the government discusses immigration they say 'non-EU immigration' and the reason is because they have no control over EU immigration anymore. So yes, it would give us room to decide ourselves what immigration policy we have.

The spending part, no I can't gurantee that at all. But leaving the European Union would give us much more money to spend (and if we are going to waste money, i'd much rather waste it on the people here [afterall it is their money] rather than have them paying for new sewers in Budapest, subsidising French farmers and new roads in the Irish Republic).

The EU is the biggest problem this country has, once we get it off our backs - we can either go left or right, but at least then it is the people deciding.

Do you dislike EVERYTHING about the EU?