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Calling you white does not make somebody racist, that is a fact. Generalising entire races of people due to the actions of a few criminals is verging on racism.

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125m women in the Third World nations have undergone Female Genital Mutilation according to the World Healthy Organisation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation ... and I very much doubt those figures will include more who won't have been recorded as undergoing such a practice due to bad government records/lack of healthcare in many of those third world nations.

So don't try pull the wool over our eyes and pretend that the west has just the same problem as many third world countries in regards to rape, female genital mutiliation and so on because that's just total rubbish and I won't be having it.



OMG! HOW JUDGEMENTAL OF WHOEVER WROTE THAT WIKI PAGE! THOSE WAYCIST WHITE PWEOPLE.



Well that's a bit of a racist statement to refer to me as a white person when in reality skin colour doesn't matter does it not? I'm an individual thank you very much, not a 'white person' just as you are an individual and I don't refer to you as a 'brown person' everytime I reply to you.

But anyway on your response itself, i've just admitted there to a terrible act in the past in the takeover of native cultures by Britain and other colonial Empires YET it's still not good enough for you is it? I think you just like ranting about how evil white people are so you can feel better about the piss poor record of most third world countries in the post-colonial era.



I haven't made generalisations at all. The customs of many cultures speak for themselves. Homosexuality and Islam to cite one example.



Oh so you did argue that, well there you have: utter lunacy. I would ask about the slavery of white people in Eastern Europe by the Arabs under the Ottoman Empire but I somehow have a feeling that i'd be pissing in the wind even attempting try and reason with you.

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Calling you white does not make somebody racist, generalising entire races of people due to the actions of a few criminals is verging on racism.

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Nobody mentioned race until karter did.

I mentioned culture. Culture isn't exclusive to one race y'know. That's why I believe in multiracialism and not multiculturalism.

Xenophobic then

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Nobody mentioned race until karter did.

I mentioned culture. Culture isn't exclusive to one race y'know. That's why I believe in multiracialism and not multiculturalism.

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Xenophobic then

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If standing up for liberal and civilised rights such as tolerance for homosexuals, treating women as they deserve to be treated on a par with men, standing against the mutilation of baby girls genitals and so on makes me 'xenophobic' or 'islamophobic' then you know what? I'll accept that charge as an honour.

Nah but saying all people from Pakistan gang rape young girls because the daily mail says so is

(Exaggerating of course)

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If standing up for liberal and civilised rights such as tolerance for homosexuals, treating women as they deserve to be treated on a par with men, standing against the mutilation of baby girls genitals and so on makes me 'xenophobic' or 'islamophobic' then you know what? I'll accept that charge as an honour.

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Nah but saying all people from Pakistan gang rape young girls because the daily mail says so is

(Exaggerating of course)

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I never claimed that nor did the Daily Mail. See, this is why we can never have a sensible debate on immigration in this country because everytime soembody points out the fact that subcontinent culture has a tradition of child rape/forced marriage, people like you come in and disort the argument by saying that we think ALL AND EVERYONE from Pakistan or from that background commit this act.

Clearly that is not the case. But is it the case that from certain cultures these certain acts are considered normal and many from that said culture don't see anything wrong with such acts? Yes. So the question is, do we want those precepts or cultural customs here in 21st century Britain?

Because I don't. Stop twisting EVERYTHING we say and jumping at the chance to call me [insert]phobia everytime this subject is debated.

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125m women in the Third World nations have undergone Female Genital Mutilation according to the World Healthy Organisation:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation ... and I very much doubt those figures will include more who won't have been recorded as undergoing such a practice due to bad government records/lack of healthcare in many of those third world nations.

So don't try pull the wool over our eyes and pretend that the west has just the same problem as many third world countries in regards to rape, female genital mutiliation and so on because that's just total rubbish and I won't be having it.

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YOU'RE STILL MISSING THE POINT

Areas practised	Most common in 27 countries in sub-Saharan and north-east Africa, as well as in Yemen and Iraqi Kurdistan[3]

South Asia, Southeast Asia, South Africa not included in any of this. So the 'disgusting habits' are not practiced by each and every third world country, please move on

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Well that's a bit of a racist statement to refer to me as a white person when in reality skin colour doesn't matter does it not? I'm an individual thank you very much, not a 'white person' just as you are an individual and I don't refer to you as a 'brown person' everytime I reply to you.

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You are not making distinction between various countries AND cultures and you are outrightly terming them as disgusting so I don't care

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But anyway on your response itself, i've just admitted there to a terrible act in the past in the takeover of native cultures by Britain and other colonial Empires YET it's still not good enough for you is it?

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I am not here to CONVINCE you that british empire destroyed cultures, it's a fact and it will remain. I do not careeeee if you accept it or not. You're not doing anyone a favour by 'admitting' the most obvious stuff

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I haven't made generalisations at all.

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"Africa with gang violence"
"India, the subcontinent and rape."

With no reliable sources to prove any of the above, yeah that's a generalization

Nobody takes you seriously because you make ridiculous comments such as saying raping young girls is considered normal in some cultures.

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I never claimed that nor did the Daily Mail. See, this is why we can never have a sensible debate on immigration in this country because everytime soembody points out the fact that subcontinent culture has a tradition of child rape/forced marriage, people like you come in and disort the argument by saying that we think ALL AND EVERYONE from Pakistan or from that background commit this act.

Clearly that is not the case. But is it the case that from certain cultures these certain acts are considered normal and many from that said culture don't see anything wrong with such acts? Yes. So the question is, do we want those precepts or cultural customs here in 21st century Britain?

Because I don't. Stop twisting EVERYTHING we say and jumping at the chance to call me [insert]phobia everytime this subject is debated.

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YOU'RE STILL MISSING THE POINT

Areas practised	Most common in 27 countries in sub-Saharan and north-east Africa, as well as in Yemen and Iraqi Kurdistan[3]

South Asia, Southeast Asia, South Africa not included in any of this. So the 'disgusting habits' are not practiced by each and every third world country, please move on

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I don't recall saying every third world country had the same disgusting habits. Infact, I rather recall writing down a broad and rough list earlier pointing out what continents/geographical/cultural areas are responsible for certain acts such as child marriages, child rape, female genital mutilation and so on and so forth.

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You are not making distinction between various countries AND cultures and you are outrightly terming them as disgusting so I don't care

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You want me to write up an entire list of each and every custom, the specific country and the sub-group within that country that are responsible for each and every third world act? No - I think you can find evidence of that for yourself.

In any case, surely if I started pointing out certain tribes/groups/countries you'd just end up calling me 'judgemental' and a racist anyway. So I can't win with you really can I, no matter what I put you'll just reply with how i'm seeing the world through my evil white eyes.

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I am not here to CONVINCE you that british empire destroyed cultures, it's a fact and it will remain. I do not careeeee if you accept it or not. You're not doing anyone a favour by 'admitting' the most obvious stuff

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Then why mention it in the first place? LOL

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"Africa with gang violence"
"India, the subcontinent and rape."

With no reliable sources to prove any of the above, yeah that's a generalization

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What are you talking about? A load of Indian women in your own country only recently went out on a march and there have been many protests about the gang rape culture in your country and the mistreatment of women over there.

Do I have to point out the bleeding obvious to you and spoon feed you everything like a baby?

I mean, what will I be asked for next? Justification over my claims that Islamic countries treat homosexuals in a subhuman manner?

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Nobody takes you seriously because you make ridiculous comments such as saying raping young girls is considered normal in some cultures.

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Yes, that's absolutely true. It's just how in ancient Greek culture, the rape of young boys (and girls) was an accepted practice in Greek culture. Or in Roman culture when having a sex slave was considered perfectly normal. In Islamic countries today for example (and there's a famous book on the subject that was made into a film that I will try to rememebr) sodomy is still used as both a punishment but also as a method to exert control over young boys even though homosexuality between two adult men is considered sinful.

In one Amazon tribe I read about for example, it's considered perfectly normal to bury alive one or some of your children for cultural purposes. The Aztecs in their culture thought that cutting out the heart of a sacrifice was perfectly normal. How many examples do you require?

Last time I checked people from indigenous tribes weren't trying to enter this country. Start using proper examples with sources rather than talking about ancient cultures. Which countries, where the residents try and get citizenship into the uk, is the raping of young girls considered normal? Because that's what you said.

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I don't recall saying every third world country had the same disgusting habits. Infact, I rather recall writing down a broad and rough list earlier pointing out what continents/geographical/cultural areas are responsible for certain acts such as child marriages, child rape, female genital mutilation and so on and so forth.



You want me to write up an entire list of each and every custom, the specific country and the sub-group within that country that are responsible for each and every third world act? No - I think you can find evidence of that for yourself.

In any case, surely if I started pointing out certain tribes/groups/countries you'd just end up calling me 'judgemental' and a racist anyway. So I can't win with you really can I, no matter what I put you'll just reply with how i'm seeing the world through my evil white eyes.



Then why mention it in the first place? LOL



What are you talking about? A load of Indian women in your own country only recently went out on a march and there have been many protests about the gang rape culture in your country and the mistreatment of women over there.

Do I have to point out the bleeding obvious to you and spoon feed you everything like a baby?

I mean, what will I be asked for next? Justification over my claims that Islamic countries treat homosexuals in a subhuman manner?



Yes, that's absolutely true. It's just how in ancient Greek culture, the rape of young boys (and girls) was an accepted practice in Greek culture. Or in Roman culture when having a sex slave was considered perfectly normal. In Islamic countries today for example (and there's a famous book on the subject that was made into a film that I will try to rememebr) sodomy is still used as both a punishment but also as a method to exert control over young boys even though homosexuality between two adult men is considered sinful.

In one Amazon tribe I read about for example, it's considered perfectly normal to bury alive one or some of your children for cultural purposes. The Aztecs in their culture thought that cutting out the heart of a sacrifice was perfectly normal. How many examples do you require?

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