iPhone - Good idea? [Closes 10/02/07]

Its stupid. They just make a ugly phone, stick an 'i' to it, and think everyone would buy it. :rolleyes: People would follow blindly and buy it as they like the apple brand.

Ugly, stupid. aint gonna buy it.:eusa_wall

Apple is getting sued over it now because of its name. Cisco owns the trade mark for the name and has done so since the year 2000.

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?p=2886771

I wonder whats next. What a bad start for its reputation.

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Originally Posted by ---MAD---

Apple is getting sued over it now because of its name. Cisco owns the trade mark for the name and has done so since the year 2000.

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?p=2886771

I wonder whats next. What a bad start for its reputation.

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Heard that in the news today.


Well the iPhone is just like a PDA, but better. I dont see why they shouldnt invent one? They are expanding their business and if one of their business fail, they can rely on another one of their business.

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Originally Posted by ksoz

Heard that in the news today.


Well the iPhone is just like a PDA, but better. I dont see why they shouldnt invent one? They are expanding their business and if one of their business fail, they can rely on another one of their business.

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Yeah true, but people believe they should stick to what Macs and ipods :).

WHAT?

Hold on, music on a phone is too advanced? Where have you been? We've had music on phones for years now. You can get MP3 player phones. Phones built to play music. I think it's a brilliant idea. I'm buying one.

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Originally Posted by ---MAD---

Yeah true, but people believe they should stick to what Macs and ipods :).

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It doesnt matter what people believe. I agree its over priced when its just like a PDA, but some people will still buy it.

No one thought anyone could compete with Microsoft .. but Apple are now arent they.

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Originally Posted by ksoz

It doesnt matter what people believe. I agree its over priced when its just like a PDA, but some people will still buy it.

No one thought anyone could compete with Microsoft .. but Apple are now arent they.

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No not really, microsoft are way ahead, and that why apple are keen for new ideas so that they can try to get on top of the market.

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Originally Posted by Papershop

No not really, microsoft are way ahead, and that why apple are keen for new ideas so that they can try to get on top of the market.

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But Apple are slowly expanding. Like I said in my post above, iPhones, iTunes etc are there to help Apple.
If one business fails, Apple can rely on other businesses.

I'm not a fan of apple and I'm not going to buy any products of apple, but just because it's over prized it doesn't mean they should stick to what they're doing now.

Everything (everything good or better) is over prizes at the beginning, some noobs who want to have to latest of the latest will buy it, no matter what it costs, then when those people bought it, the price will drop.

I bet tons of people will buy it. :(

Is this even a debate? How would providing advancements in the cell phone industry be a bad thing? There is huge potentential for other companies as well, not just for Apple. The cell phone industry is a very fast-paced world, and other cell phone makers quickly assimilate any new technology. With these new features, other phone companies will be able to provide the same products for probably a cheaper price, and in turn, drive Apple's costs down as well. There is some new technology in the iPhone, but it's nothing to be 'wowed' about. The only thing Apple did was find a better solution to something that already existed, and they just happened to be the first to do so. Is that a bad thing?

The trouble is though that other companies will probably only try to be the iPhone and not surpass its capabilities. Which is what happened with the MP3 industry. Many companies tried imitating the iPod without improving on performance, so they kinda paved Apple's way to great success in the music industry. Because of this, the market is filled with all these crappy products that have very little of what consumers want. I'm not saying that every company or product is like this, but with most companies it's more of hit or miss, and if they miss, they pull. Apple tries to hit everytime with the FIRST product, making it less wasteful. Saying that the iPhone will flop because of the price is pretty stupid. Some of the first iPods cost around $500 and they sold by the truckloads.

And how just sticking 'to what they know' be a solution? If business worked like that, they wouldn't be able to expand and make more profit. Sure, there are those exclusive companies that will do just fine with only one industry, but when a general consumer electronics company like Apple or Sony doesn't expand, any financial issues it may face in the future can be the end of the company very quickly. But that should be common sense, in my opinion.

its a good idea, no doubt about that
its the praticality of it, i think they should have created a touchscreen iPod instead tbh
and they should've been more genourous with the memory, 4gb and 8gb? should at least have memory card support if they're gonna put small amounts of memory in it

Music tbh cause people have been slating the idea and its too expensive.

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Originally Posted by curiosity

its a good idea, no doubt about that
its the praticality of it, i think they should have created a touchscreen iPod instead tbh
and they should've been more genourous with the memory, 4gb and 8gb? should at least have memory card support if they're gonna put small amounts of memory in it

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Storage on the iPhone is flash-based, so bigger quantities of storage would just raise the price even more. Flash storage is faster and comsumes less power, so it was a good solution for the phone. But I agree, they should've had support for other flash storage.

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Originally Posted by :Hazel

Music tbh cause people have been slating the idea and its too expensive.

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it's not too expensive if you consider the prices of other phones on the market?

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Originally Posted by ---MAD---

Yeah true, but people believe they should stick to what Macs and ipods :).

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People said that when apple came out with the iPod. That they should just stick to computers. Look at iPods now. They made this rediculously (sp?) sweet phone and no one should say that they shouldnt enter the phone market because in a few years no one will have 3 devices in their hand (ipod, phone and pda.)

People will have one device and the iPhone is a possible choice one of these smart phones.

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Originally Posted by bloc

it's not too expensive if you consider the prices of other phones on the market?

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exactally. It does more then most smart phones and is only a little bit more. But you would expect a high quality and expensive product from apple.

The iPod was a lot more expensive when it first came out. Then they greatly decreased in price and everyone has them.

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Originally Posted by BL!NKEY

People said that when apple came out with the iPod. That they should just stick to computers. Look at iPods now. They made this rediculously (sp?) sweet phone and no one should say that they shouldnt enter the phone market because in a few years no one will have 3 devices in their hand (ipod, phone and pda.)

People will have one device and the iPhone is a possible choice one of these smart phones.



exactally. It does more then most smart phones and is only a little bit more. But you would expect a high quality and expensive product from apple.

The iPod was a lot more expensive when it first came out. Then they greatly decreased in price and everyone has them.

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As far as I see it, the iPhone will just be another brand of phone on the market, like the iPod was with music. The iPod is just a MP3 Player hybrid with it's own crappy format and prone to crashing, not all, but they do love it.

I noticed my friends Black iPod Nano he got for Christmas descided it didn't want to turn off when he held down the menu. I thought they fixed the bugs in the Mini? Strange it does the same.

Just because Apple Macs are user friendly doesn't mean they're great, they make them so user friendly because they hide their open source through this. You can't personalise a Mac like a good PC, you have to buy a special program for it while with a PC, you could make a program and personalise it at the same time.

In the end, Apple is still just another brand, with flaws and big-headed leaders behind them. I'm going to stick with proper brands like Creative Zen, which actually made the technology the iPod stole (scroll technology), and I will stay with a PC because they do not brag and lie incredibly badly in adverts. And I will continue to buy proper phones, not a "fresh" looking phone, glorified b a bigheaded company behind it.

For what you get from an iPod, you can get better from Sony or Creative, the two companies with better quality in their MP3 players that Apple only dream they had.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

As far as I see it, the iPhone will just be another brand of phone on the market, like the iPod was with music. The iPod is just a MP3 Player hybrid with it's own crappy format and prone to crashing, not all, but they do love it.

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The iPod was popular because of its easy interface and appeal. Of corse the iPhone is going to be another brand of phone because that is what it is. The iPod was another brand but it happened to sell a lot better then the rest.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

I noticed my friends Black iPod Nano he got for Christmas descided it didn't want to turn off when he held down the menu. I thought they fixed the bugs in the Mini? Strange it does the same.

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Maybe because holding down the menu button turns on the back light.

If he held down the Pause/play button then it would turn off.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

Just because Apple Macs are user friendly doesn't mean they're great, they make them so user friendly because they hide their open source through this. You can't personalise a Mac like a good PC, you have to buy a special program for it while with a PC, you could make a program and personalise it at the same time.

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Most special specialized programs for macs interface can be downloaded for free off the internet. No need to buy them. But what personlaization would someone want to do to their mac? Maybe desktop and icons which you dont need another program for. The interface is already good looking.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

In the end, Apple is still just another brand, with flaws and big-headed leaders behind them. I'm going to stick with proper brands like Creative Zen, which actually made the technology the iPod stole (scroll technology), and I will stay with a PC because they do not brag and lie incredibly badly in adverts. And I will continue to buy proper phones, not a "fresh" looking phone, glorified b a bigheaded company behind it.

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That is all oppinions that the Creative Zen is more "proper" then iPod and Apple stole all of its ideas from Creative. If they actually so much technology then Creative would sue Apple and win a lot of money.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

For what you get from an iPod, you can get better from Sony or Creative, the two companies with better quality in their MP3 players that Apple only dream they had.

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My iPod is great quality. I Have had it for over 4 years and it still works.

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Originally Posted by BL!NKEY

The iPod was popular because of its easy interface and appeal. Of corse the iPhone is going to be another brand of phone because that is what it is. The iPod was another brand but it happened to sell a lot better then the rest.

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You obviously didn't catch my drift, I meant it won't be anything special or revolutionary. Not it's own seperate, unique brand, better than all the rest. It will jut be an option for people to buy, not the No.1 thing to get.

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Originally Posted by BL!NKEY

Maybe because holding down the menu button turns on the back light.

If he held down the Pause/play button then it would turn off.

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It was whatever button was at the bottom, I never paid attention as I was driving at the time. I imagined it was the Menu button because it seemed like it was that button at the time (I don't really remember things like that).

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Originally Posted by BL!NKEY

Most special specialized programs for macs interface can be downloaded for free off the internet. No need to buy them. But what personlaization would someone want to do to their mac? Maybe desktop and icons which you dont need another program for. The interface is already good looking.

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I meant for out of personal use. Companies like to personalise their systems, with special programs that can be used as a Database for example, which don't neccessarily connect to the internet, which I am guessing would not get them a good program unless they took the effort of downloading it onto a memory stick.

With a computer, companies can use personalised programs to do their services, like O2 has Windows for their phone database amongst other companies. I've only ever seen a Mac used at the National Portrait Gallery in London, but they don't exactly need much and the slideshow program used did the job enough.

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Originally Posted by BL!NKEY

That is all oppinions that the Creative Zen is more "proper" then iPod and Apple stole all of its ideas from Creative. If they actually so much technology then Creative would sue Apple and win a lot of money.

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Considering Creative got rated second out of 3 companies for quality, style etc. It kinda is fact. iPod was third due to tinny quality, a terrible sound system which cannot predict how the music should sound like, and it uses a format that isn't high quality.

Sony came first out of Creative and Apple. I don't have the Sony MP3 player so I can't exactly say I love Creative and think they should be the best when it was recorded that Sony was better.

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Originally Posted by BL!NKEY

My iPod is great quality. I Have had it for over 4 years and it still works.

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Whether it works or not isn't the question. It also depends on what you consider is good quality.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

You obviously didn't catch my drift, I meant it won't be anything special or revolutionary. Not it's own seperate, unique brand, better than all the rest. It will jut be an option for people to buy, not the No.1 thing to get.


It was whatever button was at the bottom, I never paid attention as I was driving at the time. I imagined it was the Menu button because it seemed like it was that button at the time (I don't really remember things like that).


I meant for out of personal use. Companies like to personalise their systems, with special programs that can be used as a Database for example, which don't neccessarily connect to the internet, which I am guessing would not get them a good program unless they took the effort of downloading it onto a memory stick.

With a computer, companies can use personalised programs to do their services, like O2 has Windows for their phone database amongst other companies. I've only ever seen a Mac used at the National Portrait Gallery in London, but they don't exactly need much and the slideshow program used did the job enough.


Considering Creative got rated second out of 3 companies for quality, style etc. It kinda is fact. iPod was third due to tinny quality, a terrible sound system which cannot predict how the music should sound like, and it uses a format that isn't high quality.

Sony came first out of Creative and Apple. I don't have the Sony MP3 player so I can't exactly say I love Creative and think they should be the best when it was recorded that Sony was better.


Whether it works or not isn't the question. It also depends on what you consider is good quality.

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I do agree that Windows are better for most companies dealing with large databases. But this thread is about iPhones and we are kind of getting off topic.

Here is a cool video I found that shows a lot of stuff the iPod can and cant do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgW7or1TuFk

for anyone who doesnt know about it and wants to be in the debate I would recomend watching that video first to get a back ground.

Looks cool to me. Would be funny if in the future it was a huge hit and everyone had iPhones and we looked back at this thread.

For me. I like the phone, but yea it is overpriced. If they can get no one to come in to buy it then maybe they will lower prices. With that money you can get so much more like a PS3 or a wii and something else lol. But I do like the design of it. But maybe we should give them a chance to expand like other products.

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Originally Posted by Pitch

Shameful imo. They overcharge for ipods, and i would never even consider buying one of their products after the scandal that was uncovered. However, most markets nowadays are conquered by the over-priced, un-designed junk that people try to use as a status symbol. Point of a £300 phone? To beat the jones's thats it, id rather spend £100 or less, get it decent and then spend the rest on good times, or save it for my car (YAY!). Apple as a company are struggling, even with iPod, the mac isnt making enough so theyre trying to expand, which is understandable but pointless. They should just advertise iPod and iMac more, lower the prices, or build them in bigger bulk to lower prices. Its not as bad as windows terrible attempt at a phone/mp3, but it isnt far off. Nokia, siemens and whoever else are decent,, samsung, will catch on, undercut them on price and woohoo > another billion wasted.

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100% disagree. Apple make the most popular mp3 player in the world, and Im sure most people agree? You can get ipods for less then £90 and its peoples choise if they want the cheaper ipod, with less song, or the expensive ones for more songs

OK, so Microsoft are the dominate ones for computers, but you can't say that Mac is a failure. They are extreamly popular for office work and graphic design...where Microsoft is more home use.

For a business to survive, it needs to expand its market mix, which basiclly means increase its number of products. Eventually, people will get bored of ipods and Macs. This happens with any product and it is what you call the decline stage of what is called the product life cycle. All Apple simply need to do is create a new product, which is what they are doing arnt they?

And as for the bit where Apple is strugling, a company with a Revenue of $19.3 billion is not about to be put into the ground any time soon...

Apple are simply jumping on the waggon of the mobile comunications market. They may not dominate it, but I think they will be a major player in that market...afterall, it is Apple!

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Originally Posted by BL!NKEY

I do agree that Windows are better for most companies dealing with large databases. But this thread is about iPhones and we are kind of getting off topic.

Here is a cool video I found that shows a lot of stuff the iPod can and cant do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgW7or1TuFk

for anyone who doesnt know about it and wants to be in the debate I would recomend watching that video first to get a back ground.

Looks cool to me. Would be funny if in the future it was a huge hit and everyone had iPhones and we looked back at this thread.

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In that video they make it seem that they've never had e-mail, contact or internet combo phones...

Wow, you're live on the internet... They've been able to do that for years. They make it seem like it's a new thing... The only impressive thing about it is the touchscreen capabilities? They've had MP3 players in phones for a few years now, not to mention internet, e-mail etc.

I think Apple have done a great job with their Ipod series includin the original,the ipod nano, the ipod video their ipod shuffle wasnt a good idea in my opinion but ive looked at the phones specification a nice 2mega pixel camera, touch sensitive screen and fast easy access to the internet makes this a good mobile in my opinion, im hoping they provide a stylus and a better screen different from the ipod nano im asking for this because the ipod nano screen scratches to easily unless you have your own case any ipod nano owner would agree with me there lol. I think this is a great phone overall maybe a tiny bit over priced but probably not intended for the younger audience will probably be used as a business phone as shown on the ipod nano site. You may say look at the price so what they have the freedom to sell their products for what they want and ive had no problems with an apple product in the past...

to be quite fair, the first to advance from the usually mobile phone is logically the company who will succeed better. Because any other phones produced which are "like" the new iphone, will be seen as just cheap rip offs.

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Originally Posted by Papershop

to be quite fair, the first to advance from the usually mobile phone is logically the company who will succeed better. Because any other phones produced which are "like" the new iphone, will be seen as just cheap rip offs.

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other than touchscreen the iphone is pretty much inferior to normal phones you could have got a few years back, never lown what you can get now "/ And thats not even talking about the top of the range ones with the iphone aria prices "/

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

In that video they make it seem that they've never had e-mail, contact or internet combo phones...

Wow, you're live on the internet... They've been able to do that for years. They make it seem like it's a new thing... The only impressive thing about it is the touchscreen capabilities? They've had MP3 players in phones for a few years now, not to mention internet, e-mail etc.

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Yes, these capabilities have been on mobile devices for quite a while now, but the iPhone improves on areas where no improvement had been made. For example, the internet browser. Although Internet connectivity has been possible, the actual experience is limited. The iPhone uses a mobile port of the Safari browser which allows the user to access the Internet in its entirety, not some shrunken down version of websites. The browser also allows for multiple website browsing. Kinda like having tabs on your mobile browser. As far as MP3 goes, the iPhone is basically a widescreen iPod when the iPod functionality is enabled. Yes, other phones have had mp3-playing capabilities before, but again, the support was limited while having a full featured iPod on the phone will only improve the experience. The e-mail function on the iPhone is a desktop-class e-mail client which makes for improved e-mail capabilities on a mobile device. They're not making it seem like these things are new, but showing how their product can do these things (and more) in a more user-friendly fashion.

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Originally Posted by HUGECOOL

Yes, these capabilities have been on mobile devices for quite a while now, but the iPhone improves on areas where no improvement had been made. For example, the internet browser. Although Internet connectivity has been possible, the actual experience is limited. The iPhone uses a mobile port of the Safari browser which allows the user to access the Internet in its entirety, not some shrunken down version of websites.

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And most mobile phones use opera, which is also a full internet browser, theres also a version of firefox(cant remember project code name) you can install on to them if you felt like it o.0

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The browser also allows for multiple website browsing. Kinda like having tabs on your mobile browser.

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Operas had tabs way before any other browser, sames true one the phones :rolleyes:

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As far as MP3 goes, the iPhone is basically a widescreen iPod when the iPod functionality is enabled. Yes, other phones have had mp3-playing capabilities before, but again, the support was limited while having a full featured iPod on the phone will only improve the experience.

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In what way, sony phones run the walkman software which is superior to ipods in compatablty and format useage anyway?

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The e-mail function on the iPhone is a desktop-class e-mail client which makes for improved e-mail capabilities on a mobile device.

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normal phones will even run gmail, way better than any apple crap, and thats compairng phone gmail to actual apple email apps.

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They're not making it seem like these things are new, but showing how their product can do these things (and more) in a more user-friendly fashion.

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Yet, in every case you stated its inferior to whats already avaible?

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Originally Posted by 01101101entor

And most mobile phones use opera, which is also a full internet browser, theres also a version of firefox(cant remember project code name) you can install on to them if you felt like it o.0

Operas had tabs way before any other browser, sames true one the phones :rolleyes:

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Not really. Opera does Small-Screen Rendering. It doesn't really show the whole website. The site is processed through a server and made smaller. Sure, all the content of the website is there, but the website itself is not the same if you were to view it on a regular computer browser.

This is what I mean:

Safari on iPhone:
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/397...576404oyx8.jpg

Opera's Mobile Browser + Opera Mini:
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/5...e9478dokb5.png

That was the closes example I could find. Both browsers are on The New York Times website, but as you can see, the content is very different when juxtaposed. What I mean by that is, the one on the iPhone is much better. Websites do not adjust to the phone. Instead the browser adjusts to the websites. Also, because of the accelerometer in the iPhone, websites can be viewed at either 480×320 or 320×480, which is currently not possible on phones today.

iPhone browser with wide resolution:
http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/869...93d4ccmkc9.jpg

Mozilla's mobile project is called 'Minimo', and in my opinion from what I've seen, (other than its tabbed browsing) it makes Opera's mobile browser look godly.

Minimo on Wikipedia, with tabbed browsing:
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/2414/minimocj4.jpg

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In what way, sony phones run the walkman software which is superior to ipods in compatablty and format useage anyway?

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That means squat. People don't generally care what's superior when it comes to technology. Why is the iPod so popular if its technologically inferior? The iPod is more widely recognized and so is the software it uses. Superior or not, the public prefers it.

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normal phones will even run gmail, way better than any apple crap, and thats compairng phone gmail to actual apple email apps.

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so that pretty much leaves everyone without a gmail account out of that convenience, right? And again, it's third-party.

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Yet, in every case you stated its inferior to whats already avaible?

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How did I say it was inferior? "/ I may have compared to to today's technology, but haven't labeled it inferior. All I have done so far is point out how the iPhone will change the way things are done compared to today's mobile phones. It isn't inferior, but also isn't superior. Some technology is new or improved, but for the most part, its features are more user-friendly than whats currently available out of the box from cell phone manufacturers.

about the 'overpriced' thing.

i'm guessing you'll probably be able to get it for nothing if you get it on contract though?

no i think its pointless but it looks quite nice but im against it really

The iPhone will be a success.

The fact is, anything with an i infront of it will be a success.

The debate whether this is a good idea is abit flawed. Even if it's a bad, poorly made product you'll still be popular for having one. It could be terrible but it will be the must-have-gadget this year.

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Originally Posted by Max=]

I think Apple have done a great job with their Ipod series includin the original,the ipod nano, the ipod video their ipod shuffle wasnt a good idea in my opinion but ive looked at the phones specification a nice 2mega pixel camera

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You cang et 3 mega pixel camera, and Sony are the creators of Cyber Shot. The iPhone will most like have crappy quality pictures. Apple have done a sufficient job with their iPods, but hardly anything to brag about. They're still known for worst quality music out of Sony and Creative and still crash for no reason (won't turn off etc).

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Originally Posted by Max=

]Touch sensitive screen and fast easy access to the internet makes this a good mobile in my opinion, im hoping they provide a stylus and a better screen different from the ipod nano im asking for this because the ipod nano screen scratches to easily unless you have your own case any ipod nano owner would agree with me there lol.

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Other than the touch screen, there is nothing different about it. On my Sony Ericsson you connect to the internet by pressing just one button? So the iPhone is no different in comparison unless they have invented a way to connect to the internet in less than 1 way? I bet the snob of an Apple boss my lie about that. He lied about half his adverts, no neccessarily him, but most hte company is pretty snobbish.

You would think for the amount you pay for a rubbish iPod Nano, they would make a scratch proof screen? My Creative Zen Vision: M screen sratches, but that comes with spare screens which cost next to nothing.

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Originally Posted by Max=

]I think this is a great phone overall maybe a tiny bit over priced but probably not intended for the younger audience will probably be used as a business phone as shown on the ipod nano site. You may say look at the price so what they have the freedom to sell their products for what they want and ive had no problems with an apple product in the past...

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Other than the touchscreen it is a normal phone, although you could consider the built in iPod a different MP3 player if you want. But other than that, there is nothing different? The iPhone I hope will be built by business men and women, the phone is far to thin for children, teenagers etcwho will probably wrestle with it in their pocket. Snap and it's gone, like the previous iPod Nano.

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Originally Posted by Cola

The iPhone will be a success.

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No, it will just be another brand/option you can buy when it comes to buying a phone. Hardly a success.

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Originally Posted by Cola

The fact is, anything with an i infront of it will be a success.

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The fact is, iPod use a crappy Apple format which is no way as good as MP3/WMA. The quality of sound is far tooo inferior to any real MP3 player in existence, the headphones are probably the main cause of it.

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Originally Posted by Cola

The debate whether this is a good idea is abit flawed. Even if it's a bad, poorly made product you'll still be popular for having one. It could be terrible but it will be the must-have-gadget this year.

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Popular? Wow, you must live a sad life if all the things you buy are there just to make you popular :s

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

No, it will just be another brand/option you can buy when it comes to buying a phone. Hardly a success.

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A success is a well selling phone. If you think there will be spares when they first come out well i'm afraid you're mistaken.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

The fact is, iPod use a crappy Apple format which is no way as good as MP3/WMA. The quality of sound is far tooo inferior to any real MP3 player in existence, the headphones are probably the main cause of it.

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If you read my post you will have noticed that is what I said. No matter how crappy it is, iPods were/still are popular.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

Popular? Wow, you must live a sad life if all the things you buy are there just to make you popular :s

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Well, most people I know would buy expensive, ill fitting Nike trainers to cheap, snug "crap" brand trainers. And I never said I would buy one to make me popular did I? Infact my post was quite neutral in realation to your biased posts.

I'm gonna stop arguing now. Carry on if you like.
To me it's just a gadget and I can't understand why everyone is getting so worked up.

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Originally Posted by Cola

A success is a well selling phone. If you think there will be spares when they first come out well i'm afraid you're mistaken.

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There will be spares when they are sold, just like any other phone. The iPhone is, just another phone. Only differences are, it's the first Apple phone and it has a touchscreen.

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Originally Posted by Cola

If you read my post you will have noticed that is what I said. No matter how crappy it is, iPods were/still are popular.

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Because they're cheap to make and over glorified. So they have billions space and give them away free when one is broken. If they bothered fixing the bugs, then maybe they wouldn't have to give them away free?

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Originally Posted by Cola

Well, most people I know would buy expensive, ill fitting Nike trainers to cheap, snug "crap" brand trainers. And I never said I would buy one to make me popular did I? Infact my post was quite neutral in realation to your biased posts.

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My post was neutral too, I never said you as in you, Cola, I meant you as in "Those who are dumb enough to think expensive things make you popular."

You can buy comfy, snug clothes for 1/3 the price of expensive crap. 2/3 of brand named goods are buying the name, rather than how much it costs to make plus extra for profit. I too don't see why people go buying expensive stuff which probably aren't comfy or just as comfy are cheaper brands.

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If you read my post you will have noticed that is what I said. No matter how crappy it is, iPods were/still are popular.

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True. Apple control 70% of the U.S MP3 Market

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Not really. Opera does Small-Screen Rendering. It doesn't really show the whole website. The site is processed through a server and made smaller. Sure, all the content of the website is there, but the website itself is not the same if you were to view it on a regular computer browser.

This is what I mean:

Safari on iPhone:
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/397...576404oyx8.jpg

Opera's Mobile Browser + Opera Mini:
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/5...e9478dokb5.png

That was the closes example I could find. Both browsers are on The New York Times website, but as you can see, the content is very different when juxtaposed. What I mean by that is, the one on the iPhone is much better. Websites do not adjust to the phone. Instead the browser adjusts to the websites. Also, because of the accelerometer in the iPhone, websites can be viewed at either 480×320 or 320×480, which is currently not possible on phones today.

iPhone browser with wide resolution:
http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/869...93d4ccmkc9.jpg

Mozilla's mobile project is called 'Minimo', and in my opinion from what I've seen, (other than its tabbed browsing) it makes Opera's mobile browser look godly.

Minimo on Wikipedia, with tabbed browsing:
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/2414/minimocj4.jpg

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So actually having text large enough to read isnt important to you? well you can have the pretty pictures, actualy being able to use the content is personaly more useful to me "/

Although if you actualy look at the high end of the maket you could just get a pda with phone capabiltys, there a bit bulky, but the functonalty is somewhat massive, from being able to work as a tomtom though the abilty to make power point presentaions and word documents "/

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That means squat. People don't generally care what's superior when it comes to technology. Why is the iPod so popular if its technologically inferior? The iPod is more widely recognized and so is the software it uses. Superior or not, the public prefers it.

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Well first off, what public are your refering to, your useing the stats for the US. World wide market share wize ipod only has a 10.3% ... guess which contary makes up nearly all of that stat... yes the US.
http://www.made-in-china.com/image/2...yer-HYF18-.jpg
Does that remind you of an ipod? becuse its not, probably made in the same sqeat shops but brough, branded and distributed by a different company.
Ipods just a brand name lumped on a collection of produces, apple doesnt actualy make em, any more than microsoft made the zune, or AOL made its yet to be named producet (the most advanced media player yet, basicly its got zunes network, just without all the limitions and drm **** shoved on top, looks ugly as hell but whipes the floor with its competion in functionalty terms.

Not to mention your argument was its technilgy supporior, now you say thats not important?

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so that pretty much leaves everyone without a gmail account out of that convenience, right? And again, it's third-party.

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Most apple uses use gmail anyway since the apple email product is such a horrific mess along with the idisk and other range of usless products bundled with it.

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How did I say it was inferior? "/ I may have compared to to today's technology, but haven't labeled it inferior. All I have done so far is point out how the iPhone will change the way things are done compared to today's mobile phones. It isn't inferior, but also isn't superior. Some technology is new or improved, but for the most part, its features are more user-friendly than whats currently available out of the box from cell phone manufacturers.

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o.0 saying somthing is better = saying its superior. saying somthing is supeior = calling the competion inferior. in all instances this was not acheaved "/

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The iPhone will be a success.

The fact is, anything with an i infront of it will be a success.

The debate whether this is a good idea is abit flawed. Even if it's a bad, poorly made product you'll still be popular for having one. It could be terrible but it will be the must-have-gadget this year.

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A success is a well selling phone. If you think there will be spares when they first come out well i'm afraid you're mistaken.

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Well seeing as you havent actualy travelled to the future and the popularty of the iphone is nill compartivly to there other produts id say most companys wont even stock them, and those that do will have plenty of em left over.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

You cang et 3 mega pixel camera, and Sony are the creators of Cyber Shot. The iPhone will most like have crappy quality pictures. Apple have done a sufficient job with their iPods, but hardly anything to brag about. They're still known for worst quality music out of Sony and Creative and still crash for no reason (won't turn off etc).

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The iPhone isnt marketed as a high quality camera phone. The sony Cyber Shot is. The iPhone will still have good quality pictures because 2 mega pixels are fine for a normal camera phone. Apple does have stuff to brag about with their iPods. They have 70% of the market and have taken the mp3 market by storm. You say later that the quality of their music (they still use mp3) is because of their headphones which you could always buy different higher quality headphones. Most people dont want apple to send expensive headphones in the box because that would raise the price. And the iPhone has new headphones so you cant say they will be bad.

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Other than the touch screen, there is nothing different about it. On my Sony Ericsson you connect to the internet by pressing just one button? So the iPhone is no different in comparison unless they have invented a way to connect to the internet in less than 1 way? I bet the snob of an Apple boss my lie about that. He lied about half his adverts, no neccessarily him, but most hte company is pretty snobbish.

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The iPhone has a full web browser which is better. Everything is intuative (sp?). To zoom in you pinch your fingers together on the screen and move them apart. To zoom out you pinch in. To rotate the picture you rotate the phone. About the adverts. Most of them had points behind them. Apples crash less then pcs and dont get viruses as easily. They can also run XP so there wasnt much he lied about. Maybe bring up a ad and I can explain how it isnt lying.

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You would think for the amount you pay for a rubbish iPod Nano, they would make a scratch proof screen? My Creative Zen Vision: M screen sratches, but that comes with spare screens which cost next to nothing.

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You cant make something scratch proof. Maybe scratch resistant. The new iPod Nano has a better screen. Also the iPhone is smudge resistant. They probably worked harder on making it scratch resistant because it will be touched more.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

Other than the touchscreen it is a normal phone, although you could consider the built in iPod a different MP3 player if you want. But other than that, there is nothing different? The iPhone I hope will be built by business men and women, the phone is far to thin for children, teenagers etcwho will probably wrestle with it in their pocket. Snap and it's gone, like the previous iPod Nano.

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I agree that it would be great for business men and women but I know some teenegers who could be careful with it. I wouldnt snap and mess around with it if i got one.

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No, it will just be another brand/option you can buy when it comes to buying a phone. Hardly a success.

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You are true it will be another option. The future will tell if it is going to be popular. You cant say it wont this early.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

The fact is, iPod use a crappy Apple format which is no way as good as MP3/WMA. The quality of sound is far tooo inferior to any real MP3 player in existence, the headphones are probably the main cause of it.

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As I said earlier you can put MP3s on iPod. About how the sound quality is far inderior to any real MP3 player in existance? I am sure there are hundreds of MP3 players that have worse sound quality. Or do you only count real MP3 players as Sony, creative and Apple? And the headphones can be switched with higher quality headphones if you are really picky about your quality.

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Popular? Wow, you must live a sad life if all the things you buy are there just to make you popular :s

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You shouldnt buy things just to make you popular because there are many good uses out of stuff besides people comming up to you and being like woa you have the new iPhone let me see.

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There will be spares when they are sold, just like any other phone. The iPhone is, just another phone. Only differences are, it's the first Apple phone and it has a touchscreen.

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How can you be so sure about this. How do you know that there will be spares. A lot of people have been waiting for this and I think there will be a big rush to get them. Depends on how many Apple make. If they have a lot already made or if they are going to release them while they are still making the bulk of them. Like what happened to 360 wii and PS3

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Because they're cheap to make and over glorified. So they have billions space and give them away free when one is broken. If they bothered fixing the bugs, then maybe they wouldn't have to give them away free?

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How are you sure that they will have bugs? And they wont have to give them away for free. If they had bugs they could be fixed with a softwear update probably because the phone only has one button and one touch screen.

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My post was neutral too, I never said you as in you, Cola, I meant you as in "Those who are dumb enough to think expensive things make you popular."

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It is bad morally for that statment to be right. But in most places if someone drove to school in a super expensive car and walked out with the newest designer clothes they people would pay more attention to them.

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You can buy comfy, snug clothes for 1/3 the price of expensive crap. 2/3 of brand named goods are buying the name, rather than how much it costs to make plus extra for profit. I too don't see why people go buying expensive stuff which probably aren't comfy or just as comfy are cheaper brands.

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Because they like to have the newest and most expensive things. That is how some humans are. More people notice them if they have the designer clothes. Welcome to the world.

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So actually having text large enough to read isnt important to you? well you can have the pretty pictures, actualy being able to use the content is personaly more useful to me "/

Although if you actualy look at the high end of the maket you could just get a pda with phone capabiltys, there a bit bulky, but the functonalty is somewhat massive, from being able to work as a tomtom though the abilty to make power point presentaions and word documents "/


Well first off, what public are your refering to, your useing the stats for the US. World wide market share wize ipod only has a 10.3% ... guess which contary makes up nearly all of that stat... yes the US.
http://www.made-in-china.com/image/2...yer-HYF18-.jpg
Does that remind you of an ipod? becuse its not, probably made in the same sqeat shops but brough, branded and distributed by a different company.
Ipods just a brand name lumped on a collection of produces, apple doesnt actualy make em, any more than microsoft made the zune, or AOL made its yet to be named producet (the most advanced media player yet, basicly its got zunes network, just without all the limitions and drm **** shoved on top, looks ugly as hell but whipes the floor with its competion in functionalty terms.

Not to mention your argument was its technilgy supporior, now you say thats not important?


Most apple uses use gmail anyway since the apple email product is such a horrific mess along with the idisk and other range of usless products bundled with it.

o.0 saying somthing is better = saying its superior. saying somthing is supeior = calling the competion inferior. in all instances this was not acheaved "/



Chances are they wont be able to sell it of anyway due to the blatent copyright and patent infingments "/


Well seeing as you havent actualy travelled to the future and the popularty of the iphone is nill compartivly to there other produts id say most companys wont even stock them, and those that do will have plenty of em left over.

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Ok first off is you can zoom in on the text so that isnt a problem. You can rear earlier in my post on how you zoom in. I have never seen a world wide iPod stat. Where did you get the 10.3%

I agree that it might not be a big in like Japan because they are way ahead of us and are a totally different market.

But I find 10.3% to be too small.

Apple isnt trying to get other companies to knock off their design. And they dont use sweat shops. They actually regulate their shops to make sure the workers have good working conditions. Stop making up stuff. Apple doesnt make them but they design them.

And you have traveled to the future and seen that iPhones didnt sell well and are on the shelfs?

No one knows. I am just getting in to this thread because it will be funny to look back on if the iPhone becomes a huge hit like the iPod.

Personally i belive its great, its a smartphone done properly it has everything you could need. Gommeinc and mentor why are you completely baised against it, its obviously going to be good it has all you could need. As for .AAC its the same as .Mp3 it just allows apple to make sure its not ripped off.

I wont be buying it because im not going to waste £400 on a phone but i can still see its pretty damn good.

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So actually having text large enough to read isnt important to you? well you can have the pretty pictures, actualy being able to use the content is personaly more useful to me "/

Although if you actualy look at the high end of the maket you could just get a pda with phone capabiltys, there a bit bulky, but the functonalty is somewhat massive, from being able to work as a tomtom though the abilty to make power point presentaions and word documents "/

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Double-tapping the screen with your fingers zooms in on the website, making both text and graphics easier to view. The zoom feature can be done multiple times according to user preference. So yes, content is important to me because I'd rather browse through the full content of a website the way they were supposed to be viewed, not some miniturized crap that doesn't even make accessing the Internet through my phone worth my while.

Heres an idea; find how the product works first, then come back to debate about it. Obviously, you haven't even seen how the phone works, let alone know how its features function or how they will probably improve the way things are done on today's cell phones.

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Well first off, what public are your refering to, your useing the stats for the US. World wide market share wize ipod only has a 10.3% ... guess which contary makes up nearly all of that stat... yes the US.
http://www.made-in-china.com/image/2...yer-HYF18-.jpg
Does that remind you of an ipod? becuse its not, probably made in the same sqeat shops but brough, branded and distributed by a different company.
Ipods just a brand name lumped on a collection of produces, apple doesnt actualy make em, any more than microsoft made the zune, or AOL made its yet to be named producet (the most advanced media player yet, basicly its got zunes network, just without all the limitions and drm **** shoved on top, looks ugly as hell but whipes the floor with its competion in functionalty terms.

Not to mention your argument was its technilgy supporior, now you say thats not important?

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No that wasnt my argument at all, lol. In fact, it seems more like you started your own argument (about iPod marketshare apparently) and concluded it. o_O And are you talking about market share in consumer electronics a whole or in the mp3-player market, because the percentages vary widely.

I was saying that the iPod is more widely recognized along with the software it uses (iTunes), so if someone were to buy a phone and were already familiar with the software the iPod uses, chances are they'll buy it for its ease of use not because its technologically superior. Plus the marketing strategy Apple uses also helps. ;)

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Most apple uses use gmail anyway since the apple email product is such a horrific mess along with the idisk and other range of usless products bundled with it.

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I don't personally use Apple's email client because I've never used client-based email. But please provide some insight as to why Apple's email client is a horrific mess. Obviously, you've used it long enough to experience all the flaws it has, otherwise, I'd say you were just quoting some anonymous entity based on their opinion. "/

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o.0 saying somthing is better = saying its superior. saying somthing is supeior = calling the competion inferior. in all instances this was not acheaved "/

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The improvements of the iPhone are isolated to certain areas. I'm not calling the competition inferior. Maybe the features they have, but not their products as a whole.

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Yes. Thats why the iPod was never sold because its UI belonged to someone else. :rolleyes: