iPhone - Good idea? [Closes 10/02/07]

[Djcafc.]

no i think its pointless but it looks quite nice but im against it really

[Browney]

The iPhone will be a success.

The fact is, anything with an i infront of it will be a success.

The debate whether this is a good idea is abit flawed. Even if it's a bad, poorly made product you'll still be popular for having one. It could be terrible but it will be the must-have-gadget this year.

[GommeInc]

I think Apple have done a great job with their Ipod series includin the original,the ipod nano, the ipod video their ipod shuffle wasnt a good idea in my opinion but ive looked at the phones specification a nice 2mega pixel camera

You cang et 3 mega pixel camera, and Sony are the creators of Cyber Shot. The iPhone will most like have crappy quality pictures. Apple have done a sufficient job with their iPods, but hardly anything to brag about. They're still known for worst quality music out of Sony and Creative and still crash for no reason (won't turn off etc).

]Touch sensitive screen and fast easy access to the internet makes this a good mobile in my opinion, im hoping they provide a stylus and a better screen different from the ipod nano im asking for this because the ipod nano screen scratches to easily unless you have your own case any ipod nano owner would agree with me there lol.

Other than the touch screen, there is nothing different about it. On my Sony Ericsson you connect to the internet by pressing just one button? So the iPhone is no different in comparison unless they have invented a way to connect to the internet in less than 1 way? I bet the snob of an Apple boss my lie about that. He lied about half his adverts, no neccessarily him, but most hte company is pretty snobbish.

You would think for the amount you pay for a rubbish iPod Nano, they would make a scratch proof screen? My Creative Zen Vision: M screen sratches, but that comes with spare screens which cost next to nothing.

]I think this is a great phone overall maybe a tiny bit over priced but probably not intended for the younger audience will probably be used as a business phone as shown on the ipod nano site. You may say look at the price so what they have the freedom to sell their products for what they want and ive had no problems with an apple product in the past...

Other than the touchscreen it is a normal phone, although you could consider the built in iPod a different MP3 player if you want. But other than that, there is nothing different? The iPhone I hope will be built by business men and women, the phone is far to thin for children, teenagers etcwho will probably wrestle with it in their pocket. Snap and it's gone, like the previous iPod Nano.

The iPhone will be a success.

No, it will just be another brand/option you can buy when it comes to buying a phone. Hardly a success.

The fact is, anything with an i infront of it will be a success.

The fact is, iPod use a crappy Apple format which is no way as good as MP3/WMA. The quality of sound is far tooo inferior to any real MP3 player in existence, the headphones are probably the main cause of it.

The debate whether this is a good idea is abit flawed. Even if it's a bad, poorly made product you'll still be popular for having one. It could be terrible but it will be the must-have-gadget this year.

Popular? Wow, you must live a sad life if all the things you buy are there just to make you popular :s

[Browney]

No, it will just be another brand/option you can buy when it comes to buying a phone. Hardly a success.

A success is a well selling phone. If you think there will be spares when they first come out well i'm afraid you're mistaken.

The fact is, iPod use a crappy Apple format which is no way as good as MP3/WMA. The quality of sound is far tooo inferior to any real MP3 player in existence, the headphones are probably the main cause of it.

If you read my post you will have noticed that is what I said. No matter how crappy it is, iPods were/still are popular.

Popular? Wow, you must live a sad life if all the things you buy are there just to make you popular :s

Well, most people I know would buy expensive, ill fitting Nike trainers to cheap, snug "crap" brand trainers. And I never said I would buy one to make me popular did I? Infact my post was quite neutral in realation to your biased posts.

I'm gonna stop arguing now. Carry on if you like.
To me it's just a gadget and I can't understand why everyone is getting so worked up.

[GommeInc]

A success is a well selling phone. If you think there will be spares when they first come out well i'm afraid you're mistaken.

There will be spares when they are sold, just like any other phone. The iPhone is, just another phone. Only differences are, it's the first Apple phone and it has a touchscreen.

If you read my post you will have noticed that is what I said. No matter how crappy it is, iPods were/still are popular.

Because they're cheap to make and over glorified. So they have billions space and give them away free when one is broken. If they bothered fixing the bugs, then maybe they wouldn't have to give them away free?

Well, most people I know would buy expensive, ill fitting Nike trainers to cheap, snug "crap" brand trainers. And I never said I would buy one to make me popular did I? Infact my post was quite neutral in realation to your biased posts.

My post was neutral too, I never said you as in you, Cola, I meant you as in "Those who are dumb enough to think expensive things make you popular."

You can buy comfy, snug clothes for 1/3 the price of expensive crap. 2/3 of brand named goods are buying the name, rather than how much it costs to make plus extra for profit. I too don't see why people go buying expensive stuff which probably aren't comfy or just as comfy are cheaper brands.

[Frodo13.]

If you read my post you will have noticed that is what I said. No matter how crappy it is, iPods were/still are popular.

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True. Apple control 70% of the U.S MP3 Market

[Mentor]

Not really. Opera does Small-Screen Rendering. It doesn't really show the whole website. The site is processed through a server and made smaller. Sure, all the content of the website is there, but the website itself is not the same if you were to view it on a regular computer browser.

This is what I mean:

Safari on iPhone:


Opera's Mobile Browser + Opera Mini:


That was the closes example I could find. Both browsers are on The New York Times website, but as you can see, the content is very different when juxtaposed. What I mean by that is, the one on the iPhone is much better. Websites do not adjust to the phone. Instead the browser adjusts to the websites. Also, because of the accelerometer in the iPhone, websites can be viewed at either 480×320 or 320×480, which is currently not possible on phones today.

iPhone browser with wide resolution:


Mozilla's mobile project is called 'Minimo', and in my opinion from what I've seen, (other than its tabbed browsing) it makes Opera's mobile browser look godly.

Minimo on Wikipedia, with tabbed browsing:

So actually having text large enough to read isnt important to you? well you can have the pretty pictures, actualy being able to use the content is personaly more useful to me "/

Although if you actualy look at the high end of the maket you could just get a pda with phone capabiltys, there a bit bulky, but the functonalty is somewhat massive, from being able to work as a tomtom though the abilty to make power point presentaions and word documents "/

That means squat. People don't generally care what's superior when it comes to technology. Why is the iPod so popular if its technologically inferior? The iPod is more widely recognized and so is the software it uses. Superior or not, the public prefers it.

Well first off, what public are your refering to, your useing the stats for the US. World wide market share wize ipod only has a 10.3% ... guess which contary makes up nearly all of that stat... yes the US.

Does that remind you of an ipod? becuse its not, probably made in the same sqeat shops but brough, branded and distributed by a different company.
Ipods just a brand name lumped on a collection of produces, apple doesnt actualy make em, any more than microsoft made the zune, or AOL made its yet to be named producet (the most advanced media player yet, basicly its got zunes network, just without all the limitions and drm **** shoved on top, looks ugly as hell but whipes the floor with its competion in functionalty terms.

Not to mention your argument was its technilgy supporior, now you say thats not important?

so that pretty much leaves everyone without a gmail account out of that convenience, right? And again, it's third-party.

Most apple uses use gmail anyway since the apple email product is such a horrific mess along with the idisk and other range of usless products bundled with it.

How did I say it was inferior? "/ I may have compared to to today's technology, but haven't labeled it inferior. All I have done so far is point out how the iPhone will change the way things are done compared to today's mobile phones. It isn't inferior, but also isn't superior. Some technology is new or improved, but for the most part, its features are more user-friendly than whats currently available out of the box from cell phone manufacturers.

o.0 saying somthing is better = saying its superior. saying somthing is supeior = calling the competion inferior. in all instances this was not acheaved "/

The iPhone will be a success.

The fact is, anything with an i infront of it will be a success.

The debate whether this is a good idea is abit flawed. Even if it's a bad, poorly made product you'll still be popular for having one. It could be terrible but it will be the must-have-gadget this year.

Chances are they wont be able to sell it of anyway due to the blatent copyright and patent infingments "/

A success is a well selling phone. If you think there will be spares when they first come out well i'm afraid you're mistaken.

Well seeing as you havent actualy travelled to the future and the popularty of the iphone is nill compartivly to there other produts id say most companys wont even stock them, and those that do will have plenty of em left over.

[BL!NKEY]

You cang et 3 mega pixel camera, and Sony are the creators of Cyber Shot. The iPhone will most like have crappy quality pictures. Apple have done a sufficient job with their iPods, but hardly anything to brag about. They're still known for worst quality music out of Sony and Creative and still crash for no reason (won't turn off etc).

The iPhone isnt marketed as a high quality camera phone. The sony Cyber Shot is. The iPhone will still have good quality pictures because 2 mega pixels are fine for a normal camera phone. Apple does have stuff to brag about with their iPods. They have 70% of the market and have taken the mp3 market by storm. You say later that the quality of their music (they still use mp3) is because of their headphones which you could always buy different higher quality headphones. Most people dont want apple to send expensive headphones in the box because that would raise the price. And the iPhone has new headphones so you cant say they will be bad.

Other than the touch screen, there is nothing different about it. On my Sony Ericsson you connect to the internet by pressing just one button? So the iPhone is no different in comparison unless they have invented a way to connect to the internet in less than 1 way? I bet the snob of an Apple boss my lie about that. He lied about half his adverts, no neccessarily him, but most hte company is pretty snobbish.

The iPhone has a full web browser which is better. Everything is intuative (sp?). To zoom in you pinch your fingers together on the screen and move them apart. To zoom out you pinch in. To rotate the picture you rotate the phone. About the adverts. Most of them had points behind them. Apples crash less then pcs and dont get viruses as easily. They can also run XP so there wasnt much he lied about. Maybe bring up a ad and I can explain how it isnt lying.

You would think for the amount you pay for a rubbish iPod Nano, they would make a scratch proof screen? My Creative Zen Vision: M screen sratches, but that comes with spare screens which cost next to nothing.

You cant make something scratch proof. Maybe scratch resistant. The new iPod Nano has a better screen. Also the iPhone is smudge resistant. They probably worked harder on making it scratch resistant because it will be touched more.

Other than the touchscreen it is a normal phone, although you could consider the built in iPod a different MP3 player if you want. But other than that, there is nothing different? The iPhone I hope will be built by business men and women, the phone is far to thin for children, teenagers etcwho will probably wrestle with it in their pocket. Snap and it's gone, like the previous iPod Nano.

I agree that it would be great for business men and women but I know some teenegers who could be careful with it. I wouldnt snap and mess around with it if i got one.

No, it will just be another brand/option you can buy when it comes to buying a phone. Hardly a success.

You are true it will be another option. The future will tell if it is going to be popular. You cant say it wont this early.

The fact is, iPod use a crappy Apple format which is no way as good as MP3/WMA. The quality of sound is far tooo inferior to any real MP3 player in existence, the headphones are probably the main cause of it.

As I said earlier you can put MP3s on iPod. About how the sound quality is far inderior to any real MP3 player in existance? I am sure there are hundreds of MP3 players that have worse sound quality. Or do you only count real MP3 players as Sony, creative and Apple? And the headphones can be switched with higher quality headphones if you are really picky about your quality.

Popular? Wow, you must live a sad life if all the things you buy are there just to make you popular :s

You shouldnt buy things just to make you popular because there are many good uses out of stuff besides people comming up to you and being like woa you have the new iPhone let me see.

There will be spares when they are sold, just like any other phone. The iPhone is, just another phone. Only differences are, it's the first Apple phone and it has a touchscreen.

How can you be so sure about this. How do you know that there will be spares. A lot of people have been waiting for this and I think there will be a big rush to get them. Depends on how many Apple make. If they have a lot already made or if they are going to release them while they are still making the bulk of them. Like what happened to 360 wii and PS3

Because they're cheap to make and over glorified. So they have billions space and give them away free when one is broken. If they bothered fixing the bugs, then maybe they wouldn't have to give them away free?

How are you sure that they will have bugs? And they wont have to give them away for free. If they had bugs they could be fixed with a softwear update probably because the phone only has one button and one touch screen.

My post was neutral too, I never said you as in you, Cola, I meant you as in "Those who are dumb enough to think expensive things make you popular."

It is bad morally for that statment to be right. But in most places if someone drove to school in a super expensive car and walked out with the newest designer clothes they people would pay more attention to them.

You can buy comfy, snug clothes for 1/3 the price of expensive crap. 2/3 of brand named goods are buying the name, rather than how much it costs to make plus extra for profit. I too don't see why people go buying expensive stuff which probably aren't comfy or just as comfy are cheaper brands.

Because they like to have the newest and most expensive things. That is how some humans are. More people notice them if they have the designer clothes. Welcome to the world.

So actually having text large enough to read isnt important to you? well you can have the pretty pictures, actualy being able to use the content is personaly more useful to me "/

Although if you actualy look at the high end of the maket you could just get a pda with phone capabiltys, there a bit bulky, but the functonalty is somewhat massive, from being able to work as a tomtom though the abilty to make power point presentaions and word documents "/


Well first off, what public are your refering to, your useing the stats for the US. World wide market share wize ipod only has a 10.3% ... guess which contary makes up nearly all of that stat... yes the US.

Does that remind you of an ipod? becuse its not, probably made in the same sqeat shops but brough, branded and distributed by a different company.
Ipods just a brand name lumped on a collection of produces, apple doesnt actualy make em, any more than microsoft made the zune, or AOL made its yet to be named producet (the most advanced media player yet, basicly its got zunes network, just without all the limitions and drm **** shoved on top, looks ugly as hell but whipes the floor with its competion in functionalty terms.

Not to mention your argument was its technilgy supporior, now you say thats not important?


Most apple uses use gmail anyway since the apple email product is such a horrific mess along with the idisk and other range of usless products bundled with it.

o.0 saying somthing is better = saying its superior. saying somthing is supeior = calling the competion inferior. in all instances this was not acheaved "/



Chances are they wont be able to sell it of anyway due to the blatent copyright and patent infingments "/


Well seeing as you havent actualy travelled to the future and the popularty of the iphone is nill compartivly to there other produts id say most companys wont even stock them, and those that do will have plenty of em left over.

Ok first off is you can zoom in on the text so that isnt a problem. You can rear earlier in my post on how you zoom in. I have never seen a world wide iPod stat. Where did you get the 10.3%

I agree that it might not be a big in like Japan because they are way ahead of us and are a totally different market.

But I find 10.3% to be too small.

Apple isnt trying to get other companies to knock off their design. And they dont use sweat shops. They actually regulate their shops to make sure the workers have good working conditions. Stop making up stuff. Apple doesnt make them but they design them.

And you have traveled to the future and seen that iPhones didnt sell well and are on the shelfs?

No one knows. I am just getting in to this thread because it will be funny to look back on if the iPhone becomes a huge hit like the iPod.

[Oni]

Personally i belive its great, its a smartphone done properly it has everything you could need. Gommeinc and mentor why are you completely baised against it, its obviously going to be good it has all you could need. As for .AAC its the same as .Mp3 it just allows apple to make sure its not ripped off.

I wont be buying it because im not going to waste £400 on a phone but i can still see its pretty damn good.

[HUGECOOL]

So actually having text large enough to read isnt important to you? well you can have the pretty pictures, actualy being able to use the content is personaly more useful to me "/

Although if you actualy look at the high end of the maket you could just get a pda with phone capabiltys, there a bit bulky, but the functonalty is somewhat massive, from being able to work as a tomtom though the abilty to make power point presentaions and word documents "/

Double-tapping the screen with your fingers zooms in on the website, making both text and graphics easier to view. The zoom feature can be done multiple times according to user preference. So yes, content is important to me because I'd rather browse through the full content of a website the way they were supposed to be viewed, not some miniturized crap that doesn't even make accessing the Internet through my phone worth my while.

Heres an idea; find how the product works first, then come back to debate about it. Obviously, you haven't even seen how the phone works, let alone know how its features function or how they will probably improve the way things are done on today's cell phones.

Well first off, what public are your refering to, your useing the stats for the US. World wide market share wize ipod only has a 10.3% ... guess which contary makes up nearly all of that stat... yes the US.

Does that remind you of an ipod? becuse its not, probably made in the same sqeat shops but brough, branded and distributed by a different company.
Ipods just a brand name lumped on a collection of produces, apple doesnt actualy make em, any more than microsoft made the zune, or AOL made its yet to be named producet (the most advanced media player yet, basicly its got zunes network, just without all the limitions and drm **** shoved on top, looks ugly as hell but whipes the floor with its competion in functionalty terms.

Not to mention your argument was its technilgy supporior, now you say thats not important?

No that wasnt my argument at all, lol. In fact, it seems more like you started your own argument (about iPod marketshare apparently) and concluded it. o_O And are you talking about market share in consumer electronics a whole or in the mp3-player market, because the percentages vary widely.

I was saying that the iPod is more widely recognized along with the software it uses (iTunes), so if someone were to buy a phone and were already familiar with the software the iPod uses, chances are they'll buy it for its ease of use not because its technologically superior. Plus the marketing strategy Apple uses also helps.

Most apple uses use gmail anyway since the apple email product is such a horrific mess along with the idisk and other range of usless products bundled with it.

I don't personally use Apple's email client because I've never used client-based email. But please provide some insight as to why Apple's email client is a horrific mess. Obviously, you've used it long enough to experience all the flaws it has, otherwise, I'd say you were just quoting some anonymous entity based on their opinion. "/

o.0 saying somthing is better = saying its superior. saying somthing is supeior = calling the competion inferior. in all instances this was not acheaved "/

The improvements of the iPhone are isolated to certain areas. I'm not calling the competition inferior. Maybe the features they have, but not their products as a whole.

Chances are they wont be able to sell it of anyway due to the blatent copyright and patent infingments "/

Yes. Thats why the iPod was never sold because its UI belonged to someone else. :rolleyes: