Some or maybe most of the conspiracy theories may be found here :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories
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Some or maybe most of the conspiracy theories may be found here :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories
key word: melted. the steal doesnt have to MELT in order for it to lose strength.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulMacC
and i hate the people who say "it was just like a planned demolition!" -- have you ever seen a planned demolition? they fall from the bottom to the top. thats a pretty big difference.
People don't have 100% Proof of what happened... What happened, happened and people died so RIP to the people that died, and I'm not going to take part in this discussion as I'm in 2 frames of mind about it...
I never knew Nush was blamed for this anyway lmao.
I believe (obv) that terrorists blew up the twin towers,
but im not so sure about the Pentagon. It does seem strange about no footage, cctv confiscation etc.
it's actually an irritatingly popular view. people like to believe in conspiracies. it makes people feel like they know something other people don'tQuote:
Originally Posted by Dude
Did you see what crashed into them?Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulMacC
Also, I don't mean to sound disrespectful or anything when I say this, but people just need to leave it be.
Yes it happened and it was a huge tragedy, but it was 6 years ago.
People just need to drop it and leave it in the past, I'm not saying people can't mourn for family/friends but it has too much press coverage and there is no need to make threads on forums 6 years later saying "What do you think really happened?" (Not saying that this thread is saying that but I have seen others)
There is no need to bring up this subject every year, which it has been, it can cause upset with the families and friends who lost people in this tragedy.
I live in NC, I don't understand what you are saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by CustomHabbo
Its theory, and it shouldn't make you mad. I respect your opinion, the theorys are peoples opinions.
2500°F is the melting point of steel.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulMacC
Jet fuel: Maximum burning temperature: 980 °C (1796 °F)
Yet the fire burned for 69 days (I believe) after 9/11.
There were pools of melted steel under the buildings, also traces of thermite.
Thermite burning temp: 4500 °F
Yes, but not melted. How did they get melted? Yet they were weakened at the top. Why did they collapse floor by floor till they got to the bottom?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan2nd
Yet the jet fuel can't burn that high.. yet explosions were heard as each floor collapsed.
Not that hot read above how high jet fuel can burn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan2nd
We know a plane hit the tower, but does that mean that was the ONLY cause of the buildings to collapse?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan2nd
I find it annoying when people say "It was 6 years ago, put it behind you". Yes it was 6 years ago, but its part of our history and always will be. Infact, its such a big part of our history that I did a case study on it for my History GCSE. Its like saying "Jeez, World War 2...it was over 62 years ago, forget about it!!".
yeah, well we don't forget history. Some of it is interesting. Someday Iraq will look back at this when they are at peace and feel awful. Just as The USA and Common Wealth countries (Includes England too) feel bad about the slavery.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammeth.
Because it is build to withstand the most deadly attacks and it is highly guarded and all secure and what-not.Quote:
Originally Posted by velocity
Oh so when an airplane crashes parts cant fall off and hit other parts now? Since when?Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulMacC
OF COURSE THEY WOULDN'T RELEASE IT. I wouldn't. Why does anyone hold information. They can't release it it wouldn't be proper.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulMacC
flash means nothing. Unless you're saying the tower was built as well as the pentagon. The building may of caused the flash. Not to mention the fuel on board, angles, many things could change this.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulMacC
Oh gee, the most guarded location in the world, where it is very strong and the plane would of burnt to chrips and no debree was found. Golly:eusa_wall.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulMacC
Some people have sick minds to believe the government did this. Obviously not seeing as people would of found out stopped it or told the world.
I think a airplane flying into them didn't keep them up.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulMacC
Obviously:rolleyes:.
I'm from Texas, and the way we look at it is still severe. It's a part of American history. You can't just "let it go". It's like losing a family member. We have to get over the fact that it happened, but we can't just let it go as easy as other countries seem to do. The fact that 9/11 happened is the reason why we are in this war now. I have family members and friends fighting for our country and we should just let that go? Two of my friends died should we let it go? I can only imagine the terror on their faces. The very thought of it makes me tear up. If you lost someone in 9/11 you can't just let it go. People that didn't lose a soul say oh well let's move on. It's too hard to let it go. Yes it's the past, but the past has a way of creeping up on us like it always does. If a parent dies it's too hard to let go. It's like a drug. You want to stop thinking about it, but it's hard to stop thinking about the losses when someone brings back 9/11. I do recognize that they died for what they believe in and they are in a better place now. That is the only sign of happiness in the situation for me. For those of you who don't believe there is a God, disregard that last comment. For those of you who do... You will see me some day with my friends and family in the place where I belong.
I KNOW I WILL GET ROASTED AFTER THIS MESSAGE SOOO GIVE ME YOUR BEST SHOT :P
I agree with you. The United States is showing everyone who died respect by fighting in a way. Though England has had deaths, 52 from the bombing I think. And familys have been destroyed by this, it was not as big as the tower. Seeing a plane fly into a tower isn't that fun either so people who've seen this happen have been through a lot. Little children that've seen a plane fly into a building have certainly seen move than me. And probably most of you on the forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Destiny
I hate getting in to these sort of discussions. I have my opinion on it all and I stick by it, it was all planned..
I did mourn for the families that lost their relatives, friends, etc.
But, I stand by my opinion as I said.
I have read and read loads and loads of stuff about it, everything I have read, adds up...especially the attack on the Pentagon.
I agree with Paul too.
The planes hit the 72nd floor or something? Yet, the building collapsed at the bottom? It happened with both towers.
With the Pentagon, the room that was 'attacked' was evacuated and cleared as there was 'building work' on it.
The builders were also on their break at the time of the attack..
Flame me if you want, I don't care.
Tbh its the people who died not the event that i will remember.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wrong-Name
As I can tell that was directed slightly towards my message I'll reply. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Destiny
I wasn't saying that everyone has "let it go" or should, but for the people who did not loose friends/families and bring up this topic I believe it to be rather pathetic, as it would upset people who have lost family/friends.
(Such as yourself Destiny)
I have a few friends that were in the army when the war started, and one of my cousins luckily they all came back.
I myself know it is extremely hard to get over a loved one passing away, it is terrible. You think about them practically everyday and you are right you can never get over loosing them, but in time the memories of them you have will start to fade away, they will never fade away fully.
How can you believe a government would plan something this harsh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wrong-Name
Obviously, obviously obviously they would not could not do it.
Don't you think other countries would of investigated this and found out thus doing something? And maybe it was the design of the building that caused them to break at the bottom.
You make it seem like we bring it up everyday. We don't bring up the Civil Wars everyday. "I believe it to be rather pathetic, as it would upset people who have lost family/friends.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cwmbran
(Such as yourself Destiny)" I don't bring this up every day... When it comes up it is just something we start to discuss. People may or may not get where I'm coming from, but your just making it seem like I go to school depressed and making people feel bad about their losses. If you know me, I usually make fun of people to make them feel bad, not mention their losses :eusa_danc I don't find it pathetic, but what is pathetic is asking to put something behind us. It's a reason of opinion whether a person wants to put something behind us. I did accept the fact that they are gone and yes the memories will begin to fade, but 9/11 we can't just put behind us we are still in it. CWMBran your still my buddy xD
HIT ME
Another on topic response:
9/11 is obviously not a set-up. All of you are wasting your time doing research ohh the flames have to be orange, or the towers are steel. BULL CRAP. It's real. You are wasting your time on research.
I think the towers collapsed because all the tower above the floor which was hit would've fallen down on what was below it causing a domino effect.
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Originally Posted by Destiny
no it's not. even the president says that 9/11 had absolutely nothing to do with iraq. none of the terrorists on 9/11 were from iraq, saddam had no connections with bin laden, and he wasn't threatening the united states with WMD's
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedStratocas
We went into Afganistan because of 9/11 which lead into Iraq.
Half of new york believe bush planned it (CNN survay).
That's what I'm saying, and apparently I'm wrong? We aren't in the war just off 9/11 alone. We are in the war because of the contribution it made. I guess I'm off this thread for a while. I don't want to seem pathetic anymore right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dentafrice,
yeah, but to say we're in iraq because of 9/11 isn't really true. it was connected to a few degrees.Quote:
Originally Posted by Destiny
and many washington insiders say the iraq war was being planned before 9/11 even happened.
ok, im going to take up your offer. & flame.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wrong-Name
so, the building fell from the bottom? no, thats impossible, it came down on itself; as the top gave way (where the aircraft had 'sliced' through) & put more force on the steel that was already weakened by the extreme heat it was exposed to. therefore crashing down as planned by the designer of the towers. yes, the towers were DESIGNED to fall down in a perfect 'fold' in order to protect the buildings around it and prevent further damage. can you imagne the extent of the damage if it had toppled sideways?
also, the 'builders were on their break'?
oh, so that automatically means there MUST have been something planned, just because a few people were not in an area? no, its just speculation. people pick up on the small pointless things that happen in a situation that cant be explain to try and prove their point, as they have no solid evidence therefore are subjected into using the 'little things' that can be interprited in many ways. its like saying "oh, the fire department were out on call, that means they MUST have been ready & waiting for something to have gone on!"
i too, have read a lot about it, its all a load of complete crap. everything they say can be proven wrong with simple core piece of evidence. people just choose to think theres something else that went on, because their scared of the truth, and have something to rely on when questioned.. mm, yh. just basically summed everything ive said in the thread up in this post huh?
We got frigging einstein on this threadQuote:
Originally Posted by PaulMacC
Who cares who did do it its in the past keep it tht way and nothin more will happen imo.
And i also agree with the kid above. Things which add up dont always add up correctly. Look at the bermuda triangle.
Tht aint exactly figuired out is it.
i'm sick of all of these **-filled conspiracies too, i've been studying them for a while now and there's no way any of them could be true.
and loose change, don't even get me frigging started on it, some parts of it make me mad, especially the bit where Dylan says "Who calls themselves by their full name when talking to their mother", when analyzing someones FINAL call to their parents, like he was to judge what others do... if you get me, if you've seen it, then you should, sorry if we're on a totally different topic now, but I haven't got the time to read through the recent posts on this thread because I have to go out..
I have mixed opinions on this.
But isnt it strange that the month leading up to the attacks they had 3 or 4x more test evacuations/drills.
Could be coincidence i guess?!
Another thing that is strange that as soon as the attacks happened all the Bin ladens family living in US took the only plane to leave US soil away.This was organised by the government/FBI
Surely the FBI would want to talk to family members and interroaget them?
ALSO:
There was also an unusual amount of trading in airline and insurance stocks in the days before September 11 and conspiracy theorists suggest that these can be best explained as the actions of people with foreknowledge of the attacks.
The collapse of the World Trade Center was a surprise to many structural engineers No steel-framed skyscraper had ever before or since collapsed due to fire or other local damage, yet it occurred three times on September 11, 2001.
Suspicions were additionally fueled by a lack of video footage of the impact of the jetliner, since many assume that the Pentagon must be subject to intense camera surveillance for security reasons. In addition to the Pentagon's own security cameras, these people also noted that security camera footage from a nearby Citgo gas station, a local Double Tree Hotel and from the Virginia Department of Transportation was swiftly confiscated by the US government
Some conspiracy theorists who question the common account of United Airlines Flight 93 crashing as a result of an attempted cockpit invasion, have speculated that it was shot down by US fighter jets.his idea was promoted by author David Ray Griffin in his book The New Pearl Harbor, who cited Paul Thompson. Thompson and other conspiracy theorists note that debris from Flight 93 was found 3 miles from the crash site and suggest that this may be evidence of a shoot-down.There are also some eyewitness reports of debris falling from the sky like confetti.
Theres the things that are weird but with any big story there is sure to be conspiracy. Im on neither side of the argument but just putting a few "spanners" in the works
terrorists did it...
great minds think alike. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by harry!
okay, you know what?
if bush did it i'm pretty sure some sort of fbi agent or something would've figured it out by now.
you can't change anything by telling people on the forum.
stop saying stuff about it unless you were there & can prove every last detail of it.
seriously.
bequiet.
i'm pretty sure the people who lost loved ones are tired of hearing this too.
it's annoying.
all these conspiracies & stuff.
STOP!
like, seriously.
it wouldn't take 6 years to figure out oh, bush did this.
there had to be some investigating going on to know that this, infact, was an act of terrorism.
through this investigation, IF, it was bush there would be something pointing to him.
& also, his team & stuff would fully know he had something to do with it.
like body guards, etc.
seriously.
there are plenty of investigators out there that, no offence, are smarter than you & actually know what they are doing.
they know how to investigate & through their investigation, they found it was an act of terrorism, sadly.
now it's horrible that this happened but by you creating rumors about all this stuff isn't making this easier for those who lost loved ones.
it's being brought up on the news, forum, etc. & some people just want to stop hearing about it & try & cope with these horrific acts.
Amen .Quote:
Originally Posted by lAdmire
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Originally Posted by piddle2k6
Duh! It was diving down vertically a few seconds before impact suprisingly 757's/747's are not designed to be dived completely vertical into the ground so it's very likely that the tail wings and other parts were ripped of the plane causing this "Confetti" you talk about...
Also what are you on about with this Bin ladens family crap? Post some evidence of the fact they were flown out of the country...
How can people believe something this wrong out of a government like the USA has? The United States Government does not just go around nocking down buildings here and there. No, wrong, they don't!
You might aswell burn your nations flag if you think this is how governments such as the states act. Some places governments may do something like this but the United States is certainly not one of them.
The States government does not do things like this.
They can not just kill innocent people. They can't; they didn't; they wont.
It shocks the life out of me, that some people still believe in this. You have to have a little faith in people and governments!
There are many countries in the world too that would wonder about this, Canada, England, Scottland, France, Russia, China, Poland, Switzerland, Germany and so on and so on. Don't you think if they even thought it was the USA that did this for a second, they wouldn't look into it or something?? And don't say they don't want to argue with the USA because if they did do this, there would be atleast 5 countries around that would wonder about it. And if those 5 countries investigated it they could do something. Yet they didn't because it is not true that the USA did it.
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Originally Posted by piddle2k6
The government did not do this. Of course they don't want people seeing the pentagon get hit. embarrassment.
This whole 9/11 debates make me do this :eusa_wall.
AS i said im neither side. Just throwing in some ideas.
anyway this from wikipedia
The New York Times reported that members of the bin Laden family were driven or flown under Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) supervision to a secret assembly point in Texas and then to Washington from where they left the country on a private charter plane when airports reopened three days after the attacks.[166] The official 9/11 commission later concluded that "the FBI conducted a satisfactory screening of Saudi nationals who left the United States on charter flights" and that the exodus was approved by special advisor Richard Clarke after a request by Saudi Arabia who feared for the safety of their nationals. On June 20, 2007 the public interest group Judicial Watch released FBI documents that it says suggested that Osama bin Laden himself may have chartered one of the flights. Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton accused the FBI of conducting a "slapdash" investigation of the flights.
And these also say the same thing.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/...in313048.shtml
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/...758358,00.html
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Originally Posted by piddle2k6
Yeah he was also revoked of his citizenship though from Saudi Arabia for smuggling weapons. Why would they let him in the states in the first place?
i dont know. u tell me?
Maybe because bush had links with the bin ladens through business
terrorists did it...
lie. there were no more flights after the attacks happened, there's no way they could have left.Quote:
Originally Posted by piddle2k6
stocks are controlled by the masses. if stocks were falling because the people who owned stock knew it was going to happen, there are many many many many many people who knew it was going to happen. it would have slipped right away. not to mention that many of those people have no connection whatsoever to the government.Quote:
ALSO:
There was also an unusual amount of trading in airline and insurance stocks in the days before September 11 and conspiracy theorists suggest that these can be best explained as the actions of people with foreknowledge of the attacks.
it may have had to do with the fact a multi-ton steal structure filled with jet fuel slammed itself into the building. and everyone who says "but steal doznt melt at da same temp as fuel burnz! LOLZLZL!" -- it doesn't have to melt. steal weakens by about 60% at the temperature the fuel burns.Quote:
The collapse of the World Trade Center was a surprise to many structural engineers No steel-framed skyscraper had ever before or since collapsed due to fire or other local damage, yet it occurred three times on September 11, 2001.
there is no evidence that this is true. loose change claimed it, and like many things, didn't back it up. they just said it happened, and unfortunately people believed it with no evidence.Quote:
Suspicions were additionally fueled by a lack of video footage of the impact of the jetliner, since many assume that the Pentagon must be subject to intense camera surveillance for security reasons. In addition to the Pentagon's own security cameras, these people also noted that security camera footage from a nearby Citgo gas station, a local Double Tree Hotel and from the Virginia Department of Transportation was swiftly confiscated by the US government.
Do you want to know what I think caused 9/11?
Terroists.
Know what? I think you're right :P!Quote:
Originally Posted by mattmeister