1.1. Not like any of the 3 options:SQuote:
Originally Posted by HotelUser
2. I didn't Nvrspsk4 could fire him either :S I am sure Nvr has his thoughts on the matter but I don't think either of us know the answer as to whether or not he would:)
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1.1. Not like any of the 3 options:SQuote:
Originally Posted by HotelUser
2. I didn't Nvrspsk4 could fire him either :S I am sure Nvr has his thoughts on the matter but I don't think either of us know the answer as to whether or not he would:)
LOL. If you dont know why I dont like him then dont make false assumptions. No MAD didnt fire me. All his infractions he has given me has been reversed [apart from 1 he gave a few days ago which should be reversed when I contact sierk. Its the same infraction he gave me months ago and sierk said its unfair] MAD doesnt learn is he? He is worse than the trialist MODs :).Quote:
Originally Posted by HotelUser
As I said, I hate him because he is corrupt. He lacks common sense and is rude.
There are 2 things I want to say:
1) There is a glitch when you click on "post reply" when you are offline, you can't log in until you delete your cookies.
2) If mad nor nvrspk4 can't do their job based on other peoples' point of view, I recommend setting up a costumer service agent and move on from there.
Now, I want to say that all mods (such as Habbo mods) see things in a different perspective. Basically, each mod on Habbo bans you because of their beliefs and how they understand the situation even if it was a harsh judgement. Just like Habboxforum, each mods sees a different way of punishing you, even the staff. MAD/Nvrspk4 = power users of this forum - respect them with the upmost respect you can provide them and you will get what you want at the end of the day. When you got a problem with your college professor, you comfront them with what you believe is not right and should be done to have you guys on equal grounds, so why don't you guys take the time to do that on here as well.
I don't know about you guys but infractions are just as useless as 90% of the moderators on this forum (no offence but mods are useless for any message board on the internet because of the lack of power they get). If you (the staff) can manage to keep the users happy, then keep the infractions and move on with life but if it carries on like this then don't be surprized if something happened such as someone getting fired for too many infraction errors/complaints from the users not being responded too. *ahem*
I find this topic to actually be very useless in so many directions. MAD and Nvrspk are just like Lost_Witness and Redtiz basically, they got power, they got a job, they do their best and they do what they can at their best interest and judgement.
I expected something minor such as this to be your reason to dislike MAD. If you were more polite about the matter I may of thought it was because of something else that you don't like him for. It's the fact that you yourself are rude.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saurav
I think if he disliked him we would have a cranky nvr around :P.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catzsy
I am starting to get upset at this forum. The performance of the staff and mods are slacking and I don't know who is responsible. I can assume MAD would be since he is forum manager but I won't point fingers yet. One suggestion though, based on the mod's performances, I recommend daylight (morning-lunch) mods and midnight (evening-night) mods.
So if I suck up to them I will get what I want? Thats practically what your post means.Quote:
Originally Posted by :....:mike:....:
I have tried being polite. I could give you many reasons why MAD is corrupt and lacks common sense, but if you look through my posts, you will probably find it yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by HotelUser
My opinion is that he is rude etc. Yours is that he is great. People have different opinions and dont have to agree. End of.
Whatever you say, the fact remains, I hate him.
The fact MAD gets paid to run habboxforum is probably the only reason he hasnt resigned. I am sure sierk would have fired him, but he probably cannot find a replacement :]
To add, I would have posted it in above post but it wouldnt let me in the 15 mins :s
The fact MAD gets paid to run habboxforum is probably the only reason he hasnt resigned. I am sure sierk would have fired him, but he probably cannot find a replacement :]
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Originally Posted by HotelUser
Nvr is far too professional and diplomatic to let a dislike of anybody affect his judgment or mood when it comes to performing his Habbox duties so I don't reasonably think we can say one way or the other.:)
Well I sort of meant though I didn't really say this that if he didn't like something he did he would maybe just report it to Sierk?Quote:
Originally Posted by Catzsy
I can't really be sure, I'm not him :P.
I don't suppose you have proof to back this up? Otherwise it's just an assumption based on how you dislike him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saurav
I just think they should be more strict and not hesitate to in-fract.Quote:
Originally Posted by :....:mike:....:
Give me one reason how this forum is any different then Habbo hotel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saurav
There are:
- Admin
- Moderators
- Users (the community)
- Flaws
- Updates that require the site to close temporarily
- Blogs
I am sure there is more to list.
So responding to your top reply above, just suck up just like anyone else would if they want something done or talk to them privately about some complaints that you have and see what happens after that.
Most staff here do that anyway. They suck up and get what they want.Quote:
Originally Posted by :....:mike:....:
but wer is the furni................Quote:
Originally Posted by :....:mike:....:
instead you get a jobQuote:
Originally Posted by harry!
Rep blocks are furni!Quote:
Originally Posted by harry!
Also, This thread is getting old like the ''Better modators need/hired or w/e,
They don't work for furniture they work because they like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by harry!
Managers get paid if I'm not mistaken, though it is something like 5 pounds a month or something.
No they don't. Many staff don't 'suck up' to get what they want. Your accusation is ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saurav
I am deeply, deeply, deeply offended. You know me this long and you can't even get the number right? :( :'( :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Catzsy
But that's sort of loving what they do. They love the power that comes with the job. Though you're right, some people are in it for the prestige.Quote:
Much as I respect and value you at Habbox this is not altogether true. Some work at Habbox because they love it and want to contribute others just want power and to look big. Presenting one face on the forum and then showing a spiteful and vitriolic face off the forum as the example above shows.
Our policy basically is that once that staff member goes on MSN they are no longer acting as a member of staff, nor are they representing Habbox. The only time their actions are called into questions are when they make a statement asserting the power of their Habbox position. So, for example, if I were to say to you on MSN, "You will never work at Habbox again if you do not get me a brownie this instant" you could report me for that. However its nearly impossible to get proof that you can be 100% sure is not altered in any way, because it is very easy to alter MSN proof.Quote:
I could quote many others as well. People use MSN etc as a tool to discredit and flame people too but I appreciate this is beyond the control of Habbox but a a member of staff in the highest position at Habbox should be seen as setting an example on and off the forum to be given respect. Respect has to be earned on and off the forum. Thanks :)
To be fair, the issue of public relations was raised, and MAD did make a conscious effort to improve, so he did try, and sierk did advise him. Whether he succeeded is not my place to judge.Quote:
Originally Posted by CatzsyThere is an obvious flaw in this arguement. People behave very differently towards the people they work for (ie Sierk) than to the people that work for them. Also nobody has ever disputed that he is extremely well organised and on the ball as far as the technical aspect of the post is concerned and has been good for the forum in that respect. Can't fault him for that -its the staff and public relations skills that he seems to lack which is pretty essential to both of the posts he holds. Obviously it is only Sierk that could fire him. I am sure NVR will speak for himself:)Quote:
Originally Posted by HotelUser
Thanks, I appreciate that...if I translated it correctly :eusa_dancQuote:
Originally Posted by :....:mike:....:
I would, and when MAD was becoming GM, sierk asked me what I thought. I gave some suggestions, he passed them on to MAD, who tried to improve based on the suggestions. So there is a suggestion structure, and MAD does usually take what is said into consideration, if you use the correct channels, state it nicely, and the criticism is constructive, not destructive.Quote:
Originally Posted by HotelUser
You mean when you're working offline? I didn't think you were able to post while working offline :S Sorry, can't help you on that one :PQuote:
Originally Posted by :....:mike:....:
All that does is set up an extra level of bureacracy, which will filter out even more suggestions, shoot down even more people, and make it take even longer to get things done. Sorry for shooting this down so vehemently, but in my opinion Habbox is already too much of a bureacracy, and it takes so long to get things done, I think adding another level would be counterproductive. Of course, that's only my opinion, and is up for debate.Quote:
2) If mad nor nvrspk4 can't do their job based on other peoples' point of view, I recommend setting up a costumer service agent and move on from there.
You're absolutely right in that respect. Its their morals versus the rules in most cases, what doesn't seem to apply is that they should contest the rule before the fact, not after the fact. Even so, some people forget what its like to see the grass on the other side :PQuote:
Now, I want to say that all mods (such as Habbo mods) see things in a different perspective. Basically, each mod on Habbo bans you because of their beliefs and how they understand the situation even if it was a harsh judgement. Just like Habboxforum, each mods sees a different way of punishing you, even the staff. MAD/Nvrspk4 = power users of this forum - respect them with the upmost respect you can provide them and you will get what you want at the end of the day. When you got a problem with your college professor, you comfront them with what you believe is not right and should be done to have you guys on equal grounds, so why don't you guys take the time to do that on here as well.
I think the major difference is that users know exactly what they're getting. The usernote system more often than not resulted in the user not being told, but the evidence was concrete when someone was banned, IE: 21 usernotes, and barely anyone complained. I think the thing is that the infraction system is far too open to controversy, and the current rules allow users to denounce mods, infractions, question the rules, get things reversed on technicalities, etc. etc.Quote:
I don't know about you guys but infractions are just as useless as 90% of the moderators on this forum (no offence but mods are useless for any message board on the internet because of the lack of power they get). If you (the staff) can manage to keep the users happy, then keep the infractions and move on with life but if it carries on like this then don't be surprized if something happened such as someone getting fired for too many infraction errors/complaints from the users not being responded too. *ahem*
I actually gained respect for Hotel Staff once I had been a moderator for 6 months :P You're actually right...sort of...in that people don't understand the difficulty of what they propose, or how ludicrous statements are, etc. etc.Quote:
I find this topic to actually be very useless in so many directions. MAD and Nvrspk are just like Lost_Witness and Redtiz basically, they got power, they got a job, they do their best and they do what they can at their best interest and judgement.
What he means is that as long as you treat us with respect, we will offer you the same respect ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Saurav
But, does combating rudeness with rudeness get you anywhere? If he is indeed rude (I'm not going to debate *that* point as I don't know the specifics), then does being rude back do you any good, or put you in the right? I can understand you are upset, but it might not be the best way to go about it if you wanna achieve real results.Quote:
I have tried being polite. I could give you many reasons why MAD is corrupt and lacks common sense, but if you look through my posts, you will probably find it yourself.
My opinion is that he is rude etc. Yours is that he is great. People have different opinions and dont have to agree. End of.
Whatever you say, the fact remains, I hate him.
I am sure that if MAD was really doing that bad of a job sierk would find a replacement. After all, we do have J1MI who always does a terrific job :)Quote:
The fact MAD gets paid to run habboxforum is probably the only reason he hasnt resigned. I am sure sierk would have fired him, but he probably cannot find a replacement :]
Thanks. I do try my best to not let personal biases interfere with the job, once again I can't say whether I succeed or not, because I don't really have a very unbiased opinion in that sense, because nobody is a terrific judge of themselves :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Catzsy
Personally, its harder to get anywhere in my departments if you suck up in place of work. If you're genuine and work hard, you have the best chance of getting to high places. If you suck up and work hard, you'll get recognition, and somewhat slower promotions, because suckups tend to do badly in a managerial capacity. If you suck up, and don't work, you'll probably end up getting fired even faster than an inactive person, if that's at all possible. Most managers here can identify suckups immediately :) Whether they choose allow them to suck up successfully depends on the manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saurav
I've worked with them both quite closely and there is nothing wrong with them
I know this is a bit off-topic :)
[Quote Nvrspk4] am deeply, deeply, deeply offended. You know me this long and you can't even get the number right?
I am so sorry but all I am guilty of is a typo error! Please don't put me in the naughty chair! :( ;):O
Another off topic: Why do you do quotes like that? :S Sorry if it sounds rude but you can just click the quote button and it does it all for you and even does the /quote to close it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catzsy
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomlegend
QUOTE=HotelUser;3967163]Another off topic: Why do you do quotes like that? :S Sorry if it sounds rude but you can just click the quote button and it does it all for you and even does the /quote to close it.
Hmm well I am techless but I don't see it matters :S
We wish! :P I dont get paid simply out of choice. The oppurtunity is there, dont get me wrong, but Im a volunteer and volunteers dont get paid from where I come from :PQuote:
Originally Posted by HotelUser
Anyway, I think the people who post badly are either just trying to get their opinion across, but seem a bit too forceful - or dont understand the situation fully. Im not a big fan of Mad I have to say, but thats personal rather than Habbox so I wouldnt ever **** him off about his work with Habbox. Nvr and I get on like a house on fire...:rolleyes:
u r nasty to mad ent u sammy boi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammeth.
i seen da msn logs rememba!?!
& u said u hate nvr too. y u lie?
Yes, exactly!! You don't flame on about MAD in public. You just told us politely what you think, which is fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammeth.
:P Well I don't care really but when I try and quote what you quote it looks weird. Because if somebody quoted me, they would only see what I see and the other quotations in my post would be gone, but it doesn't see your quotation close by using [./.Q.U.O.T.E.] (no dots :P) so it leaves the other quotes in your post. I think vB does that to make post shorter or something, but to be honest I am not sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catzsy
Hmm ;)..Quote:
Originally Posted by Hollywood
mayb he jus dun post bout him in public bout like flaming him n all. his personal life on da msn is his person life, yh!
lol @ kids of other people
thats so untrue. Me and Nvr are like The Cheeky Girls. Or Sam and Amanda. Or Ashley and Mary-Kate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hollywood
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Originally Posted by Sammeth.
Very true! :D:eusa_clap:eusa_danc:eusa_clap
Or Jekyll and Hide (Hyde?).
I call Jekyll :eusa_danc :eusa_whis
Hyde :PQuote:
Originally Posted by nvrspk4
I dont wanna be Hyde!! Im not mad and crazy :( *beats you up*Quote:
Originally Posted by nvrspk4
If I can still get it right, I think it's £2.00 a month for Mangers and £1.00 a month for Assistant Managers and sierk gives you the choice of either having the money going into your paypal or just spend it on VIP
Well I doubt people would work for just the money then :P. That would be silly. Besides, they don't even need to get paid really, that is a bonus.Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-