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This isn't a "how many user notes do i have" thread :P
You replied to previous users so i'll ask aswell.
Its a two-digit number and is also known as a very unlucky number. Have a guess. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by scottish
how many do i have!!?!!
I've received maybe 3-4 pm's and have 13 user notes? lmao
Is there anyway i can request to see the usernotes? as i'd love to know why i have 13 :)
I hardly think that is correct to be honest looking at what usernotes you have.Quote:
Originally Posted by scottish
Maybe he is telling a fib, like when he said he was forced to view that thread when he was in "feedback" and no-one else was forced until they viewed the Teen forum. :rolleyes::PQuote:
Originally Posted by MattGarner
lmao, no.
I think i've received one from catzsy and one from :Mobile
I received 2 PM's which were ignored as it was complaints about rick roll/mass alerts as at the time it wasn't against the rules so they wouldn't be usernotes.
thats about it i think?
So any way i can see them? o.0
If members were allowed to view their own usernotes then they would already be able to do soQuote:
Originally Posted by scottish
I think people are forgetting usernotes go back to when they first joined. In this case, yours go back to October last year. Obviously you're not going to remember every PM you've had since then.Quote:
Originally Posted by scottish
I'm sorry but that can't be correct. The usernotes on your profile seem all correct and you should of have PM's for nearly all of them. Not just ones from Catszy and :Mobile because they weren't moderators at the end of 2008.Quote:
Originally Posted by scottish
Correct to be honest. I don't see this coming available any time soon but lets see what Nvr says really. :).Quote:
Originally Posted by mat64
I can't see viewing your own usernotes being implemented or working well. I doubt nvr's going to allow it (lol) and it'd just make people moan even more than they do currently when they get an infraction.
Viewing your own usernotes is of no benefit to you, I can't see why anyone would want to see them? Maybe you could be able to see how many you have, idk?
Usernotes are all valid, else they'd be removed, because they're looked at when you report an infraction or warning. I don't see why people want to see their usernotes when it just holds a record of their behaviour on the forum. It's like a behaviour system at school, would you demand to see that. Because every school I've been to certainly don't let you.
I read the first few posts in the thread up to FlyingJesus' but not past that because they got too long, so sorry if what I say has been said before!
When I designed the system, the theory was for usernotes to only be used as a record for previous rulebreaking. So, for example, if Jake got a PM pointing out to him that calling another member an idiot isn't acceptable, it would be noted in the usernotes with either a copy/paste of the PM or just "User PM'd about insulting other members" (usually a copy/paste because its quicker). On that basis a user should know about most usernotes they have because they'll have received a PM on the same topic. The only ones they won't know about are ones that say "watch out for this guy, he's a known troll, if he kicks off temp ban him" or something like that, and a user generally doesn't get too many of them before being banned.
So if you've managed to accumulate 23 usernotes (there's only like 10 infractable rules so that's pretty impressive!) you've either done a lot to piss off management (which you should know about!) or there's some weird stuff going on!
I don't think I have any, well I've recieved no PMs anyway. I'm such an angel. :eusa_whis
Regardless of the rule, PMs should be sent with all usernotes. That way, the rule-breaker has the chance to change and no-one can say "Hey I didn't know about that! That's unfair!" so it's a win-win situation. It only takes 2 minutes to send a PM, after all :)
They're all for rulebreaks. :P PM's and Warnings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Professor-Alex
Yes, i can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbie!
Oh my bad, i may have received an additional one from Yoshi in 08 for calling someone an idiot which i also received a warning for, other than that nothing? o.0Quote:
Originally Posted by MattGarner
Could i possibly see them (c+p or something)
Do I have any usernotes and if yes what for? ;)
You have 4.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeyFusion
lmao, what for?Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbie!
I'm not posting them because that would be posting private information :P. I doubt I'm allowed to tell you via PM either.
i don't think you can really talk for the rest of the mods on the team, because by the obvious lack of communication between everyone, how would you possibly know that all mods do this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbie!
Did you not read the post properly?Quote:
Originally Posted by e5
He states that all moderators should sent a PM, if they aren't sending them then they aren't doing their job properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbie!
By the way, when I say EVERY usernote, that excludes ones like 'Watch out, any more misbehaviour and temp ban' etc. The ones about breaking rules and sent PM's I always PM the user about.Quote:
Originally Posted by mat64
That's what I understood it to be ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbie!
how many do i haveeeee?
My school let us see our behaviour record so we knew what we were doing wrong. I just don't see why I have had so little warning and infractions in comparison to some people but yet I have more user notes that anybody (I gather anyway).Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbie!
We'd like to see our user notes because then we'd know what we'd done wrong, what is so hard to understand. I wasn't even aware that I had 5 user notes let alone 23 or whatever it may be.
I don't know about anything. That's the problem. One moderator tells me user notes aren't punishments and then the Assistant Forum Manager tells me I'm going to be banned due to the amount I have and should be banned already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Professor-Alex
How are members supposed to know what's going on when nobody in moderating positions knows themselves.
Weirdly, you were one of the two members I got someone to check for me to see if you had more than me :8Quote:
Originally Posted by Wootzeh
and did i
Unfortunately for me, no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wootzeh
No, you have 18.
So if every user note isn't even all that important then why is my amount being used against me? Like invincible said - they're not even punishments because I have had one added today (I think) when the moderator themselves knew it was a joke. Yet, they have to add one. So technically I have a user note for joking.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattGarner
I think every user note should either have a PM issued with it. The PM needs to be clearer. Explaining that a user note has been added to your account. Alternatively, allow us to see our user notes.
I think people are coming to a consensus that they should be wiped after a certain amount of time and everyone I've spoken to agrees with me it's stupid Garion is mentioning the user notes that I've already been banned for.
You designed the whole system :O. In my view the moderation guide is much less helpful than it used to be - everything used to be clarified down to finer points such as to what exactly was a pointless post. It was created through experience of earlier Forum Managers but added to, as time went on and a copy of all Sierks directions were there to aid interpretation but no longer, which is a pity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Professor-Alex
There are in fact 18 infractable rules none of which have changed since
I was here before. Don't forget that user notes and pms also go out for Avatars and Signatures which always have a pm first so that can add up. Also we make a user note of pointless posts/spam/double posts/bumping/posting in the wrong forum for which nothing is done unless unless it becomes a regular occurence by the member. Also infractions/warnings expire so a pm will go out again if the member hasn't broken the rule for a while. So over a period of time the user notes add up. It is not a question of pissing management off or anything weird going on.
I wondered where this came from: "User PM'd about insulting other members". I was always taught that the first rule of moderating was to make sure that you have the evidence to back up any pm/infraction/warning that you issued otherwise it wasn't worth the paper it was written on. In fact an infraction or warning are reversed if the content is removed before issuing so if you put"User PM'd about insulting other members" with a link for a post where the content has been removed it is not very helpful for those deciding on any course of action.
You also say this:
The only ones they won't know about are ones that say "watch out for this guy, he's a known troll, if he kicks off temp ban him"
These are the ones that the member really ought to know about via Pms/warnings/infractions right from the start and the automatic banning system should kick in pretty quickly in these circumstances - I do not personally see a need to mark a user note with this. I also think the word 'troll' is quite offensive in its own right and am pleased that the phrase seems to be dying out on the forum.
@Jake - you do not have a user note for joking. We are talking about spam here. Yes I do believe you didn't mean the comments to be serious but if they offend somebody else they are not a joke so it pays to be mindful of who you banter with or take the consequences.
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Originally Posted by Immenseman
This is my stand on the whole thing. It seems you are mistaken as to what a usernote is which ultimately at the end of the day is an easy way for us to log moderation activity about an individual account.
For instance.
You make a rude comment which doesnt deserve a warning or infraction but a mod still decides to PM you or you have created an offence a mod wants to pm you about it.
The PM itself will be logged in the usernotes.
To finalise this post here is a quote from the moderation guide.
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Send the rule breaker a polite PM explaining what they have done wrong. It does however have to address the rule breaking, explain why it is not allowed and warn them of future consequences should the PM be ignored.
A usernote should be added with a copy/paste of the PM with the heading “Rule broken: [Rule].” For example, “Rule broken: insulting another forum member.” PLEASE REMEMBER IF YOU ARE REMOVING THE CONTENT OF THE POST YOU MUST COPY IT INTO THE PM AND USER NOTE AS ALL THE EVIDENCE TO BACK YOU UP IN THE CASE OF A COMPLAINT WILL HAVE BEEN REMOVED.
Based upon all that has been said this thread seems utterly pointless and seems to have escalated from a misunderstanding of what a "usernote" essentially is, which at the end of the day is a moderators log of an individual account. Think of it as your permanent record card like you have in school, I personally think the moderation system is very much effective and considering as I do deal with a vast number of the support tickets I do rely on its effectiveness in logging and recording of offences so I can deal with the tickets.
Why are you using usernotes anyway, surely a way to combat this problem (that been users apparently not knowing they have received a notification they have broke a rule) would be to just use the infractions system as it was intended in the first place. That been, warnings serve as a reminder of the forum rules and serve no weight against the member (as a PM+Usernote does at the moment) and an infraction is a punishment for continually breaking the forum rules. This is the way things used to be done and I certainly don't see anything wrong with it, you could give a member 2-3 warnings before you give them an infraction it doesn't really matter atleast then you are ensuring they get notified about a rule break, a automated message though it might be, I can only assume that PM from a moderator is only a C&P job anyway.
This way you would allow users to see what they've done and keep track of it easily, rather than having to go through their inbox. That way if they argument "You never told me I was breaking the rules" came up, you and the member can both clearly see that the warning was issued to them.
I'm not mistaken at all. If you'd actually read the entirety of the thread then you'd realise that all of your points had already been raised and been answered, clearly people are skipping corners, again. Makes a splendid change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jin
So out of 20 user notes I've had 14 PMs yet you say that I've had a PM for every user note. I see once again that somebody doesn't quite understand the system. Nvrspk4 and Mattgarner who deal with them on day to day basis have told me this isn't the case and then you come in here and say it is. This is getting stupid. How am I supposed to know as a member what the hell is going on when not even the people at the top of the ladder give a message with clarity.
You seem to keep reiterating that all user notes are logs of private messages. Once again that has been confirmed not to be the case in this thread, which you should read through before you reply with points that had already been acknowleged.
Going back to 14 PMs out of user notes. Honestly, it's not rocket science. 14 is less 6 than 20 which aids my point. PMs aren't always sent thus we don't know how we're behaving and therefore we can't alter our behaviour - whether we want to or not is irrelevant. It's the fact we're not told. I don't care if this takes an extra 30 seconds of your precious time - members should be treated as individuals because it isn't you or management that keep Hx going, people could do your jobs (regardless of what you think) - it's us, the members. You'd go a long way to remember that, for sure.
About me continuing to break rules. I have 3 infractions at the moment. That's a respectable amount and 1 warning. Sure some have expired but you need 6 to be banned. I always make sure I don't get them because the bottom line remains, I don't want to be banned. I don't know who you are to judge me personally.
I wasn't aware you knew me irl so you can't monitor my charactersitics as much as you'd like to think you can. I wasn't aware I had so many user notes. There is no way of showing. Even in the PMs I have received they haven't told me a user note would be added to my account. You can even check if that's what tickles you.
You seem to keep reiterating that usernotes are logs of PMs. Why haven't I had 23 PMs or whatever it is? Because that isn't how the system works like has been explained in this thread, which you didn't read. It's very ironic you call my posts redundant and repetitive, firstly it merely highlights your maturity. Secondly, I think you'll find you're the one reiterating the same invalid point "usernotes are logs of PMs" - not all of them are. Do you understand that?
It's all well and good telling me how it works in this thread? What about all the others users who won't make a fuss. I'm aware this thread will make me more of a target but if I can get some clarity of the issue (something which is yet to be present to me) then I can at least be happy knowing that other users will be able to understand the system more so than at the moment. It's clear I'm not alone here as every single staff member has told me different things.
- You've told me a PM is sent every time.
- Nvr said they're not always sent but usually should be.
- Matt told me it depends on the situation and offence.
- Robbie! told me they should always be sent.
- invincible told me they're not even used as punishments
The fact that over 25% of my user notes haven't been PMd to me and 60% of my infractions/warnings that I can see aren't valid seems irrelevant? That speaks volumes for you as a Habbox manager, clearly.
Clearly not. I haven't had a PM for all user notes.Quote:
You seem to have this in the wrong order. THE USERNOTE IS THE PM!
As above.Quote:
Yet again this is a log of offences commited on your account.
Funny how I've bene told this will be looked at. You're telling me I don't have more than 2 user notes for the same thing? Your reply has been sub-standard. I thought Admins were supposed to know what was going on.Quote:
We will probably take that on board. Oh wait we already do.......
Because I have 3 infractions and 1 warning and user notes that are permanent and never run out? Great stuff.Quote:
In all honestly with all that being said I still reckon your account is due a temp ban or something and considering I am the most placid person when it comes to user banning that says a lot.
You've totally contradicted yourself throughout your post. Not just yourself but other senior members of management throwing the whole situation into even more disrepute than before you replied with points that had already been answered.
This reply answers your points. You're the one confused about what user notes are, not me. It's not your fault, it's all lacking clarity and big improvements need to be made to ensure it's effective.
Amen to common sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by mat64
But the member will have been notified before via pm.
If you are suggesting that the members have such a great difficulty to remember to follow the rules that a pm doesnt do its job but we need to rely on permanently visible infractions and warnings if that is the case then I would be quite disappointed in our members.
I haven't had 23 PMs so I haven't been notified. I don't have difficulty to remember the rules. I know what they are and it's how I read them. For example, I have infractions for posting to cause arguments. However, I was replying to other posts. Sure, I played a part in an argument but that's not me breaking the rules intentionally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jin
If they were always visible then you'd constantly see them. This can even be proven. I don't have many infractions/warnings because I constantly see them. The fact remains user notes are there from September time are too long. I have been punished with a ban (I never had a caution like you said was the first step) so half of my user notes should be eradicated as I have been punished for them. Although, one moderator told me user notes aren't punishments - so what am I supposed to believe?!
He's a legend :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Catzsy
Which comes first? The PM or the usernote? If the usernote is done first, it may be that the moderator is sidetracked by other things. They are human beings, who make mistakes, just like the numerous amount of usernotes Jake has (20?!! What've you been doing :p). If 14 PMs were sent out, that means that there were 6 that weren't, which is 6 too many*
*Referring to my 'we're only humans and we make mistakes' statement, let's be generous and say 4 too many instead.
I know that it's been said that PMs aren't sent out for everything but I agree with Catzsy (the rest of her post in the quote above). If PMs were sent out, in the majority of cases, I'm sure that behaviour would improve. Immenseman is clearly just a rebel :p
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Originally Posted by Inseriousity.
The Usernote is like a record of the PM. Although if its very minor some Moderators/Super Moderators send a PM to the user giving them a little reminder rather then adding a usernote to the their profile.
If I could see everything that I had done in front of me I wouldn't exactly be proud of it. It would prompt me to be better behaved to ensure I don't break the rules. How can I have numerous usernotes on the same offence without getting a warning/infraction about it is beyond me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Inseriousity.
Maybe if the system was used properly then it wouldn't be so bad. It hasn't been and never will be. User notes should either be scrapped or allow users to see them.