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No what the British did 50 years ago was very wrong but peace has finally come to Ireland. It is not just the IRA - it was also protestant terrorists too. I cannot remember their name. If hatred of what happened 50/100 years ago or what happened 10 years ago cannot be put in the past I see no hope of a united ireland because it is hatred that devides it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richie
That's fair enough, but I'm talking about the IRA and why the republicans had setup an army to retrieve its country.Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
Perhaps it is, I stick by what I said though and in my opinion its not the wrong mindsetQuote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
Thats perfectly fine though, its the British.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hitman
I personally don't think it ever will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catzsy
Without doubt you are entitled to your opinion. I can see Ireland becoming united again within a decade if peace remains. Of course to Islamic terrorists you are infidels too:P.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richie
The IRA = terrorists. Anyone who sees different is out of their skull.
He is not denying they are/were.Quote:
Originally Posted by Misawa
But it is not entirely your island.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richie
The land at the north of the island belongs to the United Kingdom and not the Republic of Ireland. The point on most Irish being killed by the British is totally untrue, infact most of them came to the United Kingdom in the days of the Empire anyway because if we are to be honest; there was sod all in Ireland at the time and it was Britain who provided the jobs, food and security and was the driving force of the modern world - being from Liverpool my ancestors on one side were also Irish who came here for those exact reasons when Liverpool was the centre of the British Empire.
If you take the view of the historical Chinese, which is that an entire island belongs to one nation/those first there own it then do you accept that the British have right to claim back or take back most of Africa, North America and parts of Asia? + the Spanish & Portugese can claim back most of South America - I presume you agree with that being the case(?) because thats exactly what you are arguing for right now and its exactly what the IRA stood for.
Yeah I do and I agree with everything that I have highlighted.Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
I don't think you've thought this whole IRA thing through and you've joined the bandwagon because your a proud Irishmen.
Good for you that your proud to be Irish and all that other stuff, but the IRA are idiots who went about things the wrong way killing innocent people by blowing up city centres.
No surrender.
http://www.leafpile.com/TravelLog/No...oSurrender.jpg
Your wrong there Jordy. The majority of Catholics in Northern Ireland want to be Irish. Catholics currently have around 55% of the overall population so unless a referendum is called we'll never know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordy
I'm Catholic, I dont really care whether it is Northern Ireland or Ireland.
well in the 2001 census only 40% said they were catholic and only 45% say they are from catholic background.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulMacC
Well 71% voted for the Belfast Agreement in 1998. And in 1973 on the sovereignty referendum, 98.9% voted to stay as part of the UK (I understand there was a boycott, however it's still well above 50% assuming all the boycotters would of voted to join ROI). There has been referendums and the results are pretty clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulMacC
Northern Ireland has had huge political changes within the past 10 years. Regardless, I wouldn't vote in a referendum even if I could.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordy
Indeed such as the ridiculous system which allows Sinn Fein permanent power-sharing and the Irish government power on and over Northern Irish affairs even if they are not elected by the peoples of Northern Ireland as the devolved national government of Nothern Ireland.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulMacC
The idea that Northern Ireland "belongs" to the Republic is about as sound as the idea that the USA "belongs" to Britain.
I just want to get one thing clear.
You're not denying that the IRA are terrorists and idiots, yet if they returned you would 100% support them?
SOmething is wrong here..
Yep if that was the only way to make the British government see sense. I know my views sound ridiculous but thats just how strongly i feel about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smits
what do your parents think of your IRA beliefs?
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Originally Posted by Richie
Not just the British government who need to see sense apparently.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyingJesus
Having ideals is a fine thing, but zealously following them when it's clearly illogical and wrong is nothing to admire.
My mam doesn't agree with it but my dad would.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jayme
I obviously wouldn't want see innocent people being killed and I agree that my views are wrong but thats just how I see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyingJesus
If you agree that your views are wrong how can you stand by them? It's like saying "I know it's wrong to stamp on babies but I'll do it anyway and pretend that I agree with it"
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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus
Well il put it like this
I think its right for the IRA to fight for our country but I think its wrong that they kill innocent people, but if it all has to come as one I'd choose to follow them.
But it isn't your country
in my opinion, ireland can have their land of potatoes and greenery because it has no use to me, northern ireland can have their land of... potatoes and guiness and big green hats like the one that this man is sporting:
http://images.buycostumes.com/mgen/m...iser/18309.jpg
i am english, not british. no i did not vote english democrats i voted ukip but that's a WHOLE DIFFERENT STORY. cba, ireland have ur silly little ireland back.
It isn't mine personally :P but it does really belong to the Irish government and not the British.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyingJesus
If you know the history of your republic you'll know that it wasn't the original country - it's an offshoot of Ireland that the British allowed to be created in order to stop all-out war in the face of guerilla terrorist raids, so no it does not belong to the Irish government.
Not reading 7 pages of posts so I'll go and say ma thang.
First a nazi on the forum and now terrorists. What is this
That makes allot of sense considering the English raided Ireland as I would class a terrorist group, the British killed 200+ IRISH Civilians, at the end of the day, the IRA and the British army have blood on their hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyingJesus
Hardly a terrorist.. I'm not part of the IRA I said if they were still around I'd support them and before someone goes off on a mad one again I AGREE the IRA were in the wrong, at times.Quote:
Originally Posted by stephenHi
If you're already in charge of a country and use force to fight back against a group of radicals who've taken up arms in an attempt to take over, that isn't being a terrorist it's defending your land. You could possibly have reason to call them terrorists if they'd destroyed everything randomly and recklessly to try scaring people into bowing down to them, but trying to keep control of an area that you are already in command of isn't terrorism. Furthermore the English did not raid Ireland, they were already there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richie
They killed innocent people though.. 'not armed' even children.. how can you class that as defending your land?Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyingJesus
They could of easily went around it by forcing the people to move, giving them a chance.
I always thought what's the point of th UK governing Northern Ireland but when I was little I remember asking my dad, who was Irish, and he said the people of Northern Ireland want to be part of the UK. As far as the IRA goes, is there any substance in thinking that there's a difference between the original IRA and the modern vigilante type eejits? If not, then the IRA in general is just as bad as Cromwell and what he did to Ireland.
What so you reckon the republican insurgents would have just moved on and abandoned the mission if the British had asked them nicely?Quote:
Originally Posted by Richie
Well for one the UK is hardly comparable to Iraq. We aren't imposing some kind of dictatorship on NI. They probably have enough common sense to look beyond senseless nationalism and realise it's far more beneficial to be part of the UK than NI.
If there wasn't terrorists around they wouldn't of needed to send the army in to restore order, civilian deaths are a sad but inevitable aspect of that. If the IRA weren't there, the deaths wouldn't of happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richie
Your views are all over the place, the bottom line is, as a last resort you do support the killing of innocent british civilians and you do sympathise with the IRA, I've safely come to that conclusion after reading all your posts. What right do you have to kill people because we're not returning land to you which isn't yours? The British have been fair and democratic.
When i was young
I had no sense
I bought a flute for 50 pence
the only tune
that i could play
was **** the vale and the IRA
K then so there's nothing wrong with the EDL? Right?
Yeah I understand because like little kids would of took out machine guns and opened fire on the British.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyingJesus
As you are proving quite finely, children are capable of making the wrong decisions and getting themselves in the way of big issues that they don't understand.
Just to clarify, your saying it was okay that the British killed innocent civilians including young children?Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyingJesus
No I don't think I've ever said anything of the sort.
'What so you reckon the republican insurgents would have just moved on and abandoned the mission if the British had asked them nicely?'
that gave me the impression