Foreign languages in HxHD

Seems kinda pointless to be honest. Speaking in another language is pointless in a room as no-one is going to understand you anyway, but that is not to say it should be banned, seeing as it's Habbo and if I remember correctly it only stays on screen for a matter of seconds. If it's spammed on screen, I assume you've already got a rule for that? And if it's to offend another user, I again, assume you already have a room that which revoles around the words "Do not be rude (to other people)" :rolleyes:

Banning it when there are already rules in place is unproductive.

This has to be the stupidest rule ever enforced. -_-
I was in the help desk a few days ago and spoke a bit of spanish then was told to stop by Garion or I would receive a kick.
Yet there were genuine spanish users in the room speaking spanish too.. What does this rule say to them? It doesn't show Habbox as much of a international multicultural fansite!

Such rules really put me off coming to the help desk in future and i'm sure they put other people off too.

The need to attract foreign users hugely out weighs the need to stop a few english users from throwing harmless insults in another language.

I spoke in french the other day and I never got told off? I too think it will put off foreign users if they are told to stop speaking their own language, however I also think this rule hasn't been enforced as strictly as it's been made out on here? If it has then it might not be the rule that's the problem but the inconsistant application of it.

This rule is under review and I apologise for the delay in getting back to you, Roxy has came online to a lot of work so we are awaiting her response but she has a lot to do before she gets onto this part of her list.

Between the discussion we (Garion, Matt, Roxy and I) had, and what you guys think, we're going to remove the rule altogether :)

Keep in mind, if this causes trouble we'll be required to reinforce it, which we don't really want to do!

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Originally Posted by HotelUser

Between the discussion we (Garion, Matt, Roxy and I) had, and what you guys think, we're going to remove the rule altogether :)

Keep in mind, if this causes trouble we'll be required to reinforce it, which we don't really want to do!

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Just use the rules you already have dammit! If they're spamming it up, kick 'em and if they're being rude kick'em. :P

I think this rule is a symptom of 'somebody with nothing to do creating something to do in which to occupy their time with'. A silly rule (glad its being reviewed) and I doubt most people know the rules of the hotel itself, let alone the rules of the Habbox Help Desk. I have noticed over the past couple of years (and no this is not a criticism of the staff of the help desk, more a change in the hotel itself) that staff in the Help Desk spend more time enforcing HxHD 'rules' than giving advice and help.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

I think this rule is a symptom of 'somebody with nothing to do creating something to do in which to occupy their time with'. A silly rule (glad its being reviewed) and I doubt most people know the rules of the hotel itself, let alone the rules of the Habbox Help Desk. I have noticed over the past couple of years (and no this is not a criticism of the staff of the help desk, more a change in the hotel itself) that staff in the Help Desk spend more time enforcing HxHD 'rules' than giving advice and help.

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Dan, scroll up--the rule has been changed :P

About your latter comment, A year or two ago I would not have hesitated to agree. However we're nowhere near as strict now, with bans lasting several hours. We get far more help queries now due to a number of things, the removal of Habbo X's, Habbo Helpers, introduction of the traders pass, the merge, Habbo IDs, etc. When Nvrspk tried to make the help desk a more lounge oriented room in attempt to combat what you said, it completely failed :P

Glad to see it's finally dealt with. Too many long winded rules are never good and make it less user friendly and more dreary.

Thanks for listening :)!

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Originally Posted by Grig

Glad to see it's finally dealt with. Too many long winded rules are never good and make it less user friendly and more dreary.

Thanks for listening :)!

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Hopefully what happened tonight after we lifted the rule isn't an indication of what's to come. There was some trouble from several users and even one staffmember. I would hate for them to ruin it for everyone else, which would of course result in this rule being reinstated.

Good riddance.

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Originally Posted by Colin

Good riddance.

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Something told me you'd take on that mindset :)

I totally agree to banning foreign languages in all Habbox.com rooms.

You are not allowed to speak in foreign languages on the forum, as it blocks most people out of the conversation, so why should it be allowed in Habbox.com rooms?

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Originally Posted by SMStoPAYPAL

I totally agree to banning foreign languages in all Habbox.com rooms.

You are not allowed to speak in foreign languages on the forum, as it blocks most people out of the conversation, so why should it be allowed in Habbox.com rooms?

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I agree, yesterday like 3 people were swearing in foriegn languages

nice 1 hxhd lol...........

Also it's stupid as if i went into a room full of people speaking foreign i wouldn't stay to get help i'd go to the better help desk that speaks english

It's hard to post about this without being racist :(

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Originally Posted by SMStoPAYPAL

I totally agree to banning foreign languages in all Habbox.com rooms.

You are not allowed to speak in foreign languages on the forum, as it blocks most people out of the conversation, so why should it be allowed in Habbox.com rooms?

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Hardly, it would be a minority speaking it and when posted on a forum it lasts longer than 1 minute as is with Habbo :S If anything it comes under pointless posting on the forum, as it's exactly that - pointless to post in another language.

The majority of the ppl who use dif languages are english speaking staff, its annoying as **** nuf said.

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Originally Posted by Richie

The majority of the ppl who use dif languages are english speaking staff, its annoying as **** nuf said.

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yeh out of everyone that i've seen speaking in a foreign language i've seen every one of them speaking english.

What are we meant to do if Habbo merges all the foreign hotels too? (rumoured in the news & rumours section).

Lol some kid here atm going about saying suck my ****, and walking up to ppl n says ***** in spanish

lmao..

gd decision on the whole rule thing.... :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by scottish

Lol some kid here atm going about saying suck my ****, and walking up to ppl n says ***** in spanish

lmao..

gd decision on the whole rule thing.... :rolleyes:

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Then alert a member of staff.

The thing is only a very few amount of people will understand, so it really isn't a big deal. Equally if someone is being rude in a different language you can still report them to the Habbo Moderators.

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Originally Posted by Nixt

Then alert a member of staff.

The thing is only a very few amount of people will understand, so it really isn't a big deal. Equally if someone is being rude in a different language you can still report them to the Habbo Moderators.

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It is a big deal, just because people don't understand doesn't mean people can be rude in HxHD

Erm when was the last time you were on habbo? :S If you knew anything about habbo you'd know habbo mods do not ban unless its VERY severe. If you reported someone for being rude you will get a staff says notice saying use ignore.

I don't see why it should be allowed

It's a UK based fansite, everyone in the room speaks english, so allowing this is basically just asking people to be rude in other languages as i see no other reason behind it..

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Originally Posted by scottish

It is a big deal, just because people don't understand doesn't mean people can be rude in HxHD

Erm when was the last time you were on habbo? :S If you knew anything about habbo you'd know habbo mods do not ban unless its VERY severe. If you reported someone for being rude you will get a staff says notice saying use ignore.

I don't see why it should be allowed

It's a UK based fansite, everyone in the room speaks english, so allowing this is basically just asking people to be rude in other languages as i see no other reason behind it..

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I was on Habbo yesterday. I go on Habbo daily. I know that if you report people for being rude, and they continue to do so, they get dealt with as far as I have seen.

If you believe someone is being rude, then tell a member of staff and they will be dealt with in the way they would be if they were rude using the English language.

The use of languages will not be banned.

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Originally Posted by Nixt

I was on Habbo yesterday. I go on Habbo daily. I know that if you report people for being rude, and they continue to do so, they get dealt with as far as I have seen.

If you believe someone is being rude, then tell a member of staff and they will be dealt with in the way they would be if they were rude using the English language.

The use of languages will not be banned.

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I can assure you that is ********.

I've reported people for being rude, advertising c2c, etc and none of them have been banned, i get the 'Use ignore' or 'We highly advise you do not go on webcam for anyone' auto messages and the fat ***** do absolutely nothing. I don't really expect more from 12 year old moderators getting paid $1.50 an hour so

Explain why it shouldnt be banned, i see no reason behind it other than you WANT people to be rude in other languages

There is absolutely NO need to speak in any other languages in HxHD when EVERYONE speaks english or close to it (two norwegian people came in speaking partially english so clear they can do so)

My reasoning is that there is also no reason to stop people using different languages. People from a different country may wish to utilise the room as a place to discuss something in their own language (this does, and I have seen it, happen). Equally, if people want to converse in a different language for whatever reason, I don't see any justified reason to stop them.

Stopping languages results in even worse behaviour, individuals who do not believe they should be banned (which is a significant majority over those who don't) will attempt to campaign against it by violating the rule in HxHD. This results in more people getting into trouble and getting banned that is strictly necessary.

Of course there is the problem that people use different languages to be rude, but in this event, I can only see two reasonable outcomes:
1) No one really understands, and therefore no one cares.
2) Someone does understand, then they can report this to the staff who can deal with it.

No real problem there as far as I can see.

I think the use of foreign languages is just a silly fad - a silly fad that will only be prolonged as long as individuals continue to complain about it.

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Originally Posted by Nixt

My reasoning is that there is also no reason to stop people using different languages. People from a different country may wish to utilise the room as a place to discuss something in their own language (this does, and I have seen it, happen). Equally, if people want to converse in a different language for whatever reason, I don't see any justified reason to stop them.

Stopping languages results in even worse behaviour, individuals who do not believe they should be banned (which is a significant majority over those who don't) will attempt to campaign against it by violating the rule in HxHD. This results in more people getting into trouble and getting banned that is strictly necessary.

Of course there is the problem that people use different languages to be rude, but in this event, I can only see two reasonable outcomes:
1) No one really understands, and therefore no one cares.
2) Someone does understand, then they can report this to the staff who can deal with it.

No real problem there as far as I can see.

I think the use of foreign languages is just a silly fad - a silly fad that will only be prolonged as long as individuals continue to complain about it.

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Becuase 99% of the time it's simply to break a rule, no-one ive ever seen in HxHD has been unable to speak english or very close to it, so the rule is just advertising being rude in foreign languages as staff cannot be ****** to translate everything, and translators often fail as i've proved to hoteluser as someone was being rude, hoteluser translated at it came out as crap... Habbox is a UK based fansite, not a Norweigan based fansite. If half of HxHD couldnt speak english i'd see a point but as EVERYONE can speak english the rule is simply ******ed. Also it doesn't encourage the purpose of the room, HELP DESK. If you go into a room full of people speaking in some weird foreign language you wouldn't stay, you'd go to the next help desk and actually get help rather than being isolated from the conversation as you don't speak that language.

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Stopping languages results in even worse behaviour, individuals who do not believe they should be banned (which is a significant majority over those who don't) will attempt to campaign against it by violating the rule in HxHD.

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Do you realise how stupid that statement is? lol...

Oh people don't like the rule about being rude, lets all be rude and get the rule removed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No you ban the people who abuse the rule and move the **** on... the help desk obviously has crap management if you remove rules because people abuse them lmfao......

At your list of 2 crap refer to the whole hoteluser lost in translation thing in first paragraph

The time I have spent in HxHD recently, which is relatively often, has not indicated to me this is a massive problem. I have not received any massive complaints from David or any members of HxHD staff saying it has become a massive issue. It is generally quite easy to tell when someone is taking the piss, foreign language or not.

Regarding my reference to people campaigning against the rule by breaking it, I meant in the context of the fact that the rule is pointless or flawed. Which this is. It just makes no sense and creates an authoritarian atmosphere we want to avoid. Find me another room on Habbo that has banned foreign languages? It makes no sense to do it. It is a minor annoyance that will fade in time, when trolls find another way to annoy people.

Your opinion is duly noted but the rule will not be re-added. This decision was made on the basis of thorough discussion between myself, Roxy, Matt and David. It will remain our decision.

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Originally Posted by Nixt

The time I have spent in HxHD recently, which is relatively often, has not indicated to me this is a massive problem. I have not received any massive complaints from David or any members of HxHD staff saying it has become a massive issue. It is generally quite easy to tell when someone is taking the piss, foreign language or not.

Regarding my reference to people campaigning against the rule by breaking it, I meant in the context of the fact that the rule is pointless or flawed. Which this is. It just makes no sense and creates an authoritarian atmosphere we want to avoid. Find me another room on Habbo that has banned foreign languages? It makes no sense to do it. It is a minor annoyance that will fade in time, when trolls find another way to annoy people.

Your opinion is duly noted but the rule will not be re-added. This decision was made on the basis of thorough discussion between myself, Roxy, Matt and David. It will remain our decision.

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It's not a MASSIVE issue however there is an issue..

And no it's not, evidently...

It does make sense to do it, why the **** did hxf ban it for ages if it made no sense to do it? :S

It prevents people being rude so that staff can actually do their job (if their not afk)

also why was it added then removed

very professional lmao

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Originally Posted by scottish

It's not a MASSIVE issue however there is an issue..

And no it's not, evidently...

It does make sense to do it, why the **** did hxf ban it for ages if it made no sense to do it? :S

It prevents people being rude so that staff can actually do their job (if their not afk)

also why was it added then removed

very professional lmao

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The issue is minimal as you say, so there is no need to overreact to it by creating a whole rule regarding it which creates a flare up in rule breaking. The rule on foreign languages on the forum was repealed as it was considered pointless. Again, it was an over reaction to events at the time, that is why I removed it when I completely rewrote the forum rules a while back.

I apologise that you feel that the events were unprofessional. However, as humans it is only natural mistakes are made or reactions to certain situations as they happen are seen as unnecessary in retrospect. When the rule was introduced it was done so because it seemed like a pressing issue, however upon reflection it was removed. This is not unheard of and I don't think it really affects you massively and neither does it affect anyone's overall view of Habbox.

If you are unhappy with the behaviour of individuals in HxHD then please report it to a member of HxHD staff. If you are seriously unhappy with the repeal of this rule, I will say that there are plenty of other rooms on Habbo that you are free to spend your time in if you have such a considerable aversion to people using foreign languages - as this rule will not be reinstated.

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Originally Posted by Nixt

The issue is minimal as you say, so there is no need to overreact to it by creating a whole rule regarding it which creates a flare up in rule breaking. The rule on foreign languages on the forum was repealed as it was considered pointless. Again, it was an over reaction to events at the time, that is why I removed it when I completely rewrote the forum rules a while back.

I apologise that you feel that the events were unprofessional. However, as humans it is only natural mistakes are made or reactions to certain situations as they happen are seen as unnecessary in retrospect. When the rule was introduced it was done so because it seemed like a pressing issue, however upon reflection it was removed. This is not unheard of and I don't think it really affects you massively and neither does it affect anyone's overall view of Habbox.

If you are unhappy with the behaviour of individuals in HxHD then please report it to a member of HxHD staff. If you are seriously unhappy with the repeal of this rule, I will say that there are plenty of other rooms on Habbo that you are free to spend your time in if you have such a considerable aversion to people using foreign languages - as this rule will not be reinstated.

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Every issue should be addressed not just MASSIVe issues. In no way did i state it was minimal.

Now you're sounding like the idiots in the past ~ DONT LIKE IT DONT COME HERE?????????? That has to be one of the most downright idiotic statements made by management

And it doesn't matter i'll just continue to be rude as i'm sure plenty of others are.

Also if this rule isn't going to be implemented i suggest staff just completely ignore foreign languages, as i've been told off twice for saying 'lol says hoteluser and rnb in the same sentence to make them wonder what im saying' in norwegian and czech, apparently for being rude, which it in no way is rude, so either ban foreign languages, or do nothing about them as clearly the staff are failing miserably at any handling of this.

Complaints about individual members of staff can be made either in the Complaints About Habbox Staff thread or by PMing myself or their relevant Manager. Evidence to back up your complaint is preferred.

If you believe a member of HxHD staff is warning you unnecessarily, this is the appropriate procedure to follow. Thanks :).

If unnecessary warnings is against staff rules i don't see how there are any HxHD staff left..

Evidently because no one has complained about it, which leads me to believe it is not as big an issue as you may be making out.

I got warned for saying 'rothes' earlier......... lmfao as did faboosh

Naming a town in Scotland is an offence, if I am honest. Jk ;)

If you are warned wrongly, all you have to do is PM the relevant individuals with evidence and it will be looked into and dealt with. There is nothing more I can say.

this rule is clearly failing

for the last 2 hours some kids have been provoking me and being rude to me in foreign languages, hoteluser has sat there and done absolutely **** all yet when i'm rude back i get a warning

Learn to do your god damn job hoteluser

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Originally Posted by scottish

I got warned for saying 'rothes' earlier......... lmfao as did faboosh

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its true i was there. how is it that certain members (moto and take-out) are aloud to swear to us in french and not get one single warning whereas we get warnings for just saying hello or something. . .????

Yeh thats pissing me off

they've been rude for about 2 hours

I said his grandmother raped his dad or something and got warned

Yet he's telling people to **** their dad etc for 2 hours and not received one warning... lol

Well I do have some sympathy with your there Scott, if that's the case. They are just taking advantage of another language to be rude.

When I was there you guys were just arguing with the member, rather than attempting to bring this to the attention of the staff. When you did start trying to bring it to our attention, the majority of it was "THE STAFF ARE ****, THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING" and other similar insults.

If you want something to be dealt with, politely inform the staff (if they have not noticed) and allow them a brief bit of time to translate. It will then get dealt with.

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Originally Posted by scottish

Yeh thats pissing me off

they've been rude for about 2 hours

I said his grandmother raped his dad or something and got warned

Yet he's telling people to **** their dad etc for 2 hours and not received one hour... lol

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ino its not fair at all i got warned for spamming the word HotelUser because i wanted his attention since he was ignoring me and then they other 2 ***** were telling me to go **** my mother and all that crap. . and yet they never even got a warning or anything said to them