If no-one used the forum well then you wouldn't be here to moderate boooooyaaaa!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarah
If no-one used the forum well then you wouldn't be here to moderate boooooyaaaa!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarah
That's a pee-poor reason though. Although it is correct, using that as an excuse in any context like this means that whoever is in charge of such a department hasn't got brains to write up a reason. It's an anti-social approach, you may as well say: "We don't value the lives and opinions of our members, we only like you as a number", and I am sure you don't want another uprising where previous discussions over that have led to Management/Staff/Individuals being blasted for not being creative enough to give a reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alkaz
Now then, although there is no rule for this, you COULD of said:
"Yes, you are correct there is no rule regarding this. However, we ask that you do not add multiple events to the calendar as this makes it look untidy and may annoy other members. We shall let you off for now, but we would like to ask you do not repeat this and we'll create a rule which ensures it doesn't happen in the future. Thanks."
It's better than the "we have in our TOC that we can ban you **** whenever we like, so shurrup."
So I'm with Agnostic Bear here, mainly because something so simple could of been handled alot better.
The rules are set out in a dead forum. Get your facts right dear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarah
And what pissed me off is Jamesys stinking attitude in this thread. No ******* wonder this forum is dying. The staff are too much up their own ass and love themselves too much.
Hypocrite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saurav
Also the point is, regardless of whether or not the rule was clear it only takes common sense to realise that spamming the calender isn't allowed.
i think there are bigger issues to look at. threads like this should just be closed. habbox isn't a democracy, you shouldn't always be able to complain over a pm.
ironic? probably.
Regardless, they are entitled to an opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by immense
I think the niceties that come with a PM are ultimately dependent on the context of the situation and the individual involved. Sarah has indicated that you had already been reminded of the rule and you are an experienced knowledgeable member with an idea of what is or is not acceptable. In the event that a member knows they aren't to do something, I think a slightly harsher PM makes sense as they have chosen to ignore what is obviously against the rules.
In the event you were an ignorant, new member you would have been dealt with differently, I am sure. But you are not - you were aware and will therefore be dealt with more harshly than you would have been otherwise.
That's exactly why (@ Skizzling) when ever I sent staff warning PMs, they were often quite firm because staff should be fully aware they shouldn't be behaving in certain manners. It's all contextual, and the context of this situation seems to me that a harsher PM is fully justified.
Exactly, in fact I think we've been demanding context dependant punishment for ages. As soon as we get it everyone moans that it's not fair / it's too harsh. Puzzling at best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nixt
It had nothing to do with Jamesy's message which was for "spamming":Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarah
Now I thought nothing of this message as it wasn't too harsh so I just dealt with it, it was "just right".Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarah
However it had nothing to do with setting an alert over 6 years, only "inappropriate" content. My point still stands that I should never have received such a harsh message from Jamesy.
(also no jerking it guys)
also i feel i should point out in large text that i have not, nor will i read the rules, there are too many and too much to read, i'm not talking 10 minutes out of my day to read rules which i have never encountered problems with
If you choose not to read the rules it's totally your problem - she's talking about inappropriate postings on the calendar, however she does establish there is a guide thread and you obviously failed to read it, so it's really your own fault that you have had to be repeatedly contacted regarding abuse of VIP features which ultimately leads to harsher PMs.
Just my opinion anyway.
I can see where you're getting at there, but why would I go into the VIP forums? It's completely dead and has no use to me, I don't need to change my name or request features. Maybe if I was linked then sure, but being told about it then balls to it, I only have 3 categories un-collapsed anyway. (General, tech + this one)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nixt
You obviously learnt nothing, hence the stricter punishment.Quote:
Now I thought nothing of this message as it wasn't too harsh so I just dealt with it, it was "just right".
You've probably learnt by now you will never beat management by saying you stand by your point.Quote:
However it had nothing to do with setting an alert over 6 years, only "inappropriate" content. My point still stands that I should never have received such a harsh message from Jamesy.
Sign of immaturity Exhibit #AQuote:
(also no jerking it guys)
a) There are not too manyQuote:
-some stupid large text-
b) If you don't read them you are STILL liable, just like if you accept T&Cs without looking at them
c) If you don't take ten minutes then you take much longer replying to this mess of a thread.
It isn't difficult to work out that spamming the calendar is NOT allowed, just like most of the rules.Quote:
I can see where you're getting at there, but why would I go into the VIP forums? It's completely dead and has no use to me, I don't need to change my name or request features. Maybe if I was linked then sure, but being told about it then balls to it, I only have 3 categories un-collapsed anyway. (General, tech + this one)
Generally you get linked to the rules you have violated so I'd guess there was a failure there. Nevertheless if you fail to read the rules / terms that you agree to when signing up or get VIP / Donator then you will be dealt with a lot more harshly as you repeat offences. Abuse of VIP features is an umbrella term but all the violations pretty much come down to common sense. You've violated the rule on more than one occasion and as such you are dealt with more harshly. The fact you haven't read the rules is not really a defence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agnostic Bear
Perhaps a compromise:
Add the VIP rules to the Forum Rules in their own section. Just because they are VIPs doesn't mean they will go straight to the VIP forums to read a thread :P Afterwards you may decide to delete the thread, but that depends if you want all VIP information to be kept in one place, but it does seem relying on the VIP rules thread hasn't worked, even though common sense would suggest spamming the calendar feature would elad to this.
The message was a bit snotty though. He has pretty much donated towards keeping Habbox afloat. A message that gives the facts as well as a solution would of been better, not blasting at him like he's committed an illegal offense :P
Perhaps a link to the VIP rules could be provided in the current "Forum Specific Rules". Adding the whole list bulks the overall rules up unnecessarily, but a link would make them readily available.
That could work too. I didn't see the Forum Specific Rules bit at the bottom of the Forum Rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nixt
That or, potentially, under the user account rules you could have "Do not abuse VIP features" and just link to the thread as an explanation.
Mind you, it's never really been a problem before.
Never been a problem because no one decided it would be "fun" to spam the VIP calender with unneeded and pointless events that not just cover one or a couple of days but like a month or even more. I think it would be pretty much common sense you don't use a feature to spam pointless stuff on, you wouldn't do it in one of the forum sections so there is no need for the calender either. I suppose we could make the VIP rules much clearer to the members of this forum and there is actually nothing wrong with the PM what so ever or that the events were deleted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nixt
People such as your self killed Habbox. Sent harsh PMs to dedicated VOLUNTEERS, they got fed up with your harsh PMs for small mistakes when you broke bigger rules (so it was just ironic and ******ed anyway), so moved to other fan sites which are more relaxed. Well done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nixt
On the topic of MODS and their PM's
I got this, it is like my first warning in months, I would get more emotion out of a robot...
Just because you say its friendly doesn't mean it actually is, it would be nice if they didn't have to stick to some sort of robotic format
Quote:
Hello Emotional,
You're post found here breaks the following rule:
A7. Please observe the correct posting protocol:
Do not multiple post within the 15 minute edit time of your original threads
Do not multiple post after the the 15 minute edit time without posting valid additional information.
Do not pointlessly bump old threads
Please do not bump old threads unless you're post will contribute to the topic and strike up new discussions.
This is a friendly warning. Please do not let this happen again.
I don't think you'll find many members of staff - if any - who would object to my management as AGM (Staff). My PMs were always polite but firm, because they were expected to adhere to the rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saurav
I said this in a different thread: it says that it is a friendly PM. No it's not. It looks very robotic I'm afraid. I thought they were meant to be very personal and down to earth rather than "I-am-mod-bot-2000". I'd rather them show what's happened but also have a personal tone- like those visitor messages when a thread needs to be moved. Some of them are very nice and just a note rather than showing a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by emotional
I wouldn't say the warning PM sent was overharsh at all. I think it's fair considering what the user did to receive it. It should be blatantly obvious not to do something like spam the VIP calendar so you shouldn't be surprised to get a forceful PM telling you not to abuse the service. You should be greatful to keep your VIP in the first place :P
It's a big change from what it used to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex3213
should put like dont be a cheeky sod on the end
would be great
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Originally Posted by immense
doesn't sound right :/Quote:
I'm sure I need not point out that spamming the VIP calendar with pointless events recurring every day for an extended period of time is abusing your VIP features. I have now deleted them and I do not wish to see them replaced after this PM.
If you abuse your privileges once more in this way they will simply be removed.
dont be a cheeky sod
dont see the problem tbh
anyway, this thread is silly. i got a pm about bumping a thread in spam and i don't agree with it but hey it's a pm who cares. people need to stop thinking their opinion matters - in the nicest way possible. lol im so cheeky.
Just going over this thread now - I think your response to that PM is ridiculous. Don't do it again, simple. How else is he going to PM you? Give you a nice little cuddle and a cup of tea, tell you it's all alright? People actually use the features on this forum and it's not fair if they just get abused.
Additionally, the forum is not dying, you're just getting in a sulk because you broke a rule.
oh dear lord. all this faff over a calender no-one ******* looks at anyway.
times are hard.
Actually even mgmt admitted it was dying. Just that Jake returned and spammed the hell out of it to make it look active.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dean
( .__.) you're obviously not going over this thread as I said nothing about the forum dying and nobody uses the calendar. Go you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dean
@AB - Saurav said this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saurav
what i do best bbz, i am bein paid gd wage to do this?? they took me from polska plz help me returnQuote:
Originally Posted by Saurav
p.s. if the forum was dead nobody would reply to my threads. one got 250+ replies.
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I don't believe the forum is dead, there are plenty of users online at peak times and many people post.
What makes me laugh the most is the whole "Oh moderators should use their common sense" take on things yet as soon as they're warned for something not in the rules which blatantly should be, they're accusing the moderator of being wrong. Although as it happens it's in the rules anyway but I don't think HxF can ever win now you're even being accused of sending condescending PMs lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Don
I am sure Jamesy would have appreciated it if you didn't break the rules in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agnostic Bear
But you still did.
You haven't read the thread. Please do so, tia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Milestone
I read the first few pages, but got horribly bored.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agnostic Bear
Okay, this is just going round in circles now and is full people all saying the same thing, technically it's a complaint about one of our managers and should have been moved from the off but some replies have been very interesting.
If you don't want the Forum Manager, or any other member of the Forum Team to get pissed off with you then don't break the rules, it's simple really. If you had broken a minor rule which we thought you probably didn't know of, you would have been politely contacted regarding it, informing you it was against the rules and how you should avoid doing it again.
However, let's be honest and I'm pretty sure everybody who has replied to this thread agrees, spamming the calendar with events is not something that you could just think was acceptable, and if you did at some point think that it wasn't against the rules then I worry for you, I really do.
In my eyes you were extremely lucky that it was missed that you'd abused VIP features before, as now you'd be VIPless.
Thread closed.