Then you'd be wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by bikini
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Then you'd be wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by bikini
Whether that may be the case or not, I don't do the main competition for the staff, I do it for the community. Just so you see they aren't getting a small reward for the "same efforts, I'll post last weeks staff posts here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richie
General Management and Department Managers don't get rewarded so don't include those. All of the top posters of each department hit more then 1/4 of the limit (100) the community are asked to hit. For doing this, they get 1/5 of the amount of Tokens (that's if the winner of the community opted for the Token reward) or 1/20 (if the winner of the community opted for VIP).
It's not like they are doing 5-10 posts and getting rewarded for it. In times like that where it has been low, I haven't even given them a prize because it's so low.
Neigh...Quote:
Originally Posted by Richie
Not really backing it up, more less just trying to see your comparison is invalid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Empired
And I never said I was disagreeing at all. I just am pointing out things.. just like everyone one else is.Quote:
Originally Posted by scottish
So people with as little as 27/28 post count are being rewarded, yet if we get 99 we wouldn't be..Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil
Yes. One requirement is post more than anyone in your department. One requirement is hit 100 posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by scottish
Is there REALLYYYYY a massive issue if staff get a little bit of something for their efforts. Staff that work hard at this site and don't get anything in return, staff that have to fund their own prizes etc.
Well yeah because one is easy to obtain the other isn't. If staff are getting something for their efforts regardless of the overall (if they got over 100 they'd get the 'normal' peoples prize too) then so should normal members.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil
With regards to how much work etc they put in they get rewarded via Staff of the Month or whatever other schemes run by department managers/AGMs, no need for a forum one too.
50 tokens is such a small prize that it's hardly noticed anyway. The competition is more to reach number one of your department, friendly competition. It's only in place to encourage staff members to post outside of staff forums anyway.
Then extend that reward to normal users to encourage them to post full stop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yupt
I've made the rewards bigger for encouragement.Quote:
Originally Posted by scottish
Oh Jesus you're making it out as if its such an awful thing, people choose their roles, its voluntary. Yes I agree they give away furni which I hope people are grateful for but competitions for certain departments aren't mandatory and if they are, they knew that before signing up. A bit of furni here and there is nothing for the endless amount of fun / interactions you have with other staff members. That's speaking from experience, no matter how many competitions I did in the past, my enjoyment at certain departments out weighed that majorly. I understand 50 tokens over something that you may see as so little but it's always the same, its what actually harms this website at times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil
Given 50 tokens to staff and not others who may post more / help with activity and for what? It just makes it out to be a 'click'. Another example of a 'click' is staff spam threads (dunno if they still exist or what), but they gave/give staff more reason to stay in their shell. It'd be nice to see some new faces in actual spam.
4god people getting so antsy about 50 tokens lmao
Phil just say whoever gets the top poster outside of staff can have 50 stupid tokens too then they can stop crying
The only thing that's being made out to be an awful thing in this thread is a bit of staff encouragement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richie
I don't know about any other department but the mod staff spam thread still does exist and it is absolutely dead and Ibelieve that's also the case in most other departments. How do you propose we could see more people in spam?
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Omg thank GOD someone agrees I thought I was losing my mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyingJesus
Yeah I literally just said that in the managers chat but I'm seeing how far this CATASTROPHE will actually go
You can make the reward 300 months of VIP, it's not going to encourage someone when it's a very high target, and failure to meet that target gets you absolutely nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil
If you're giving staff it for doing very easy stuff, why not make the rules 100+ posts OR the top person?
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principle, could be 5 tokens and I'd still complain, could be 5k tokens and I'd still complain.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyingJesus
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enable post count everywhereQuote:
Originally Posted by Phil
and as far as you make it go before you give into our demands!1
Would you like 50 Tokens for being top? They get 50 for being top of their staff usergroup, whoever is top of posting stats gets 50 for being top of that usergroup? All happy then?Quote:
Originally Posted by scottish
They already have other incentives Phil, as Scott pointed out. I'm not being a **** but it's not your job to give incentives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil
I think people still avoid spam as they think its still full of nasty people, even the likes of flyingjesus/scott have turned down their **** level. I think if managers actually started posting, chatting about regular things, banter related topics, others within that department would join in. I never really see many managers post in spam, maybe the odd time, which is a shame.
I know it's not my job to give incentives but it is part of my job to encourage posting. Recent feedback said staff need to be encouraged to post because they're not doing itQuote:
Originally Posted by Richie
No, I think it should be 100 top, 90 2nd, 80 3rd, 70 4th 60 5th or something like that. So top 5 will be rewarded rather than 1. And obviously scale the reward as it's a lot harder to compete with what 150 active users than what 4 active staff membersQuote:
Originally Posted by Phil
Sure that just defeats the purpose of trying to get 100 posts then
So does giving staff rewards for 28 posts.
Scrap rewards from the staff posts, continue to post/announce them for the sole purpose of showing how well specifics done.
If they want rewards they can join the actual group designated for that purpose and have the same rewards as normal members do.
If it's not encouraging your staff (and normal members) then it's failing and you need to deal with that as it's obviously an issue.
Okay so scrap rewarding the staff and then question why they're not being encouraged to post?
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Would anyone else viewing like to pitch in here? I'm sure there's not only two opinions.
They are being encouraged to post, using the same method every other member of the forum/community is having to use..
Scott it was you that said before that staff aren't posting around enough and they need to be encouraged to do so, that's what I'm doing and now it's a problem.
Ultimately it's 50 tokens, someone's making a mountain out of a molehill.
If you were giving away VIP this might be an issue however 50 tokens is the equivalent of 1/80th of a month of VIP. This is just one of many avenues habbox uses to encourage posting, I see no reason why we shouldn't be pursuing this avenue.
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To be fair, it might be dead at the moment, but some people have thousands of posts in that thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil
However, we have removed spam threads in the past and that achieved absolutely nothing in terms of posting activity.
Ohh of course, don't get me wrong! The thread is just over five years old and has 50k replies in it. Back when I was staff a few years ago they were so popular and couldn't be kept up with but in the most recent year or two they have just gone dormantQuote:
Originally Posted by Chippiewill
See the countless posts stating it's not about the reward, it's the principle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chippiewill
And I disagree with the principle. It seems this isn't conclusive and doesn't matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by scottish
This is a non-issue.
When you're staff you get certain advantages (part of a team, staff rewards etc) but you also get certain disadvantages (unable to commit so freely to big events/comps, management/member expectations, professionalism) just as members get certain advantages (free to participate in bigger events, freedom to speak your mind etc) and disadvantages (can be quite isolating, no staff of the month etc).
Ultimately, it balances out in the end.
Are you honestly that bored and so offended at the fact that staff get a little bit extra to thank them for their time and effort towards Habbox. When you think about it, staff get very little in return for the amount of time they put in. Yes there is SOTM and the occasional scheme that allows staff to enter, but it's a forum based incentive for god sake. It's not like they're giving out a throne each week to someone who makes the top posts in their dept. If that was the case, i'd expect you to be up in arms about it. 50 tokens is literally nothing. Look at the token shop..... 1000 tokens to get 5c. Community members are at such a disadvantage that the 50 tokens a week on offer to staff if they get the most posts is completely outrageous. Staff are clearly raking in the $$$ -.-
If you want the privilege of participating in this scheme why not become staff and join in? It's not like it's an exclusive club or anything that only a few people are allowed to join. The opportunity to become staff is open for everyone and there's literally nothing stopping you from becoming staff and participating in it. If anything i'd have seen this as a good way of Habbox saying thanks to it's staff and providing them with motivation to post a bit more. If staff didn't post at all I'm sure there'd be a few questions asked about why they weren't.
I swear Phil can't do anything right these days lol. Give it a rest.
Who said you need to be bored to create a thread giving feedback? or offended for that matter? For the 18th time, it's the principle, for the 18th time I couldn't care less if it was 5 tokens of 5000 tokens. Read.Quote:
Originally Posted by mdport.
Because I have no interest in becoming staff?
Who said Phil done anything wrong? I'm sure the scheme was probably in place before Phil became Forum Manager, no-ones called out Phil for doing anything wrong? lol.
Tbh this thread was originally created out of confusion, i didn't know if the thread was posted as a glitch or what, then phil confirmed there's two comps so a discussion started. Anyone can come into a thread and be like 'BLA BLA HX STAFF DO LOADS, I DO LOADS, I WANT TOKENS' but the fact remains it isn't needed and unfair regardless of the value of tokens that are given.Quote:
Originally Posted by mdport.
The principle of rewarding staff that volunteer their time to a Habbo fansite seems fine to me? I don't see a problem with it. If you aren't interested in becoming staff then fair play. But why ruin it for those who dedicate quite a bit of time to Habbox and stop them from getting a small reward????Quote:
Originally Posted by scottish
Pretty sure Phil brought it back a few months ago (or I just wasn't paying attention to it). He seems to be copping it from you guys when I think it's a perfectly fine incentive and a good idea to try and increase staff activity outside of their staff forums.
It's not ruining anything? It would be putting staff and normal users alike in a similar competition rather than having two with the same purpose but rewarding one group more and rewarding (for the most part) none in the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by mdport.
It's stupid you're all arguing OH BUT 50 TOKENS IS NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! then 5 minutes later WHY RUIN IT FOR THE STAFF? If you're claiming the reward is nothing then what's the issue in taking a more sensible approach to the competition and joining them?
I'm not sure who brought it in and didn't state Phil had or target him for bringing it in. If 'copping it from you guys' is the same as replying to feedback then he sure is.
You said you didn't want 50 tokens :(Quote:
Originally Posted by scottish
It was in place before I was manager back when Chippiewill was staff. I brought it back when there was feedback about encouraging posting and added the tokens bit
Staff and the Community are different though, that's kinda the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by scottish
Staff provide you with Events/Articles/Graphics/Content etc. Community members aren't dedicating their time to produce such work (if you want to call it work?). So including a scheme for staff is a way of saying thanks & acts as motivation, doesn't it?
As Mike said, staff are excluded from entering certain competitions during the year. As an example, the quick quizzes on the forum's Christmas day (where each quiz was worth 2 weeks of VIP and there was about 6 of them), the forum staff were excluded from that. I'm sure other big events that have been held - staff have not been allowed to enter (like graphics staff, they aren't allowed to enter the photography competition are they?). No one complains when staff aren't allowed to enter certain things simply because they're staff - so having small little things on the side where community members can't enter.... I'd have said it balances out quite nicely.
WAA WAA STAFF GET 50 TOKENS FOR BEING TOP POSTER IN THEIR GROUP
Ok we'll add 50 tokens to the top poster each week then
NO I WANT MORE THAN THAT AND SCALE IT TO BE ABSOLUTELY PERFECTLY REFLECTIVE OF HOW MANY USERS THERE ARE PER WEEK WITH COMPLEX MATRICES TO ENSURE THAT PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING FOR THE SITE DON'T GET TO THINK THEY'RE BETTER THAN ME
Literally how this is going. If it's about "the principle" rather than the amount then accept the 50 for top poster because that's all that anyone's getting, it's not a big deal and there are already other rewards for other stuff. Whining for 8 pages about 50 tokens when we have issues like the complete lack of Christmas VIP song this year (which is a great community effort.. usually) and low client/community presence makes you look like the petty child that you are
I thought you meant personally :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Phil
I'd like top 5 people to be rewarded, so it'll encourage people to go for top 5 as well as the overall. The whole system needs an overhaul tbh as it's clearly not working as people are in no way aiming to get it.
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and evidently members need motivation to post too, which currently is 100 posts for 1 week VIP or nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by mdport.
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you could adopt a scaling different each week respective of how many users there are, good idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyingJesus
The idea is for more than 1 person to be rewarded, otherwise it isn't everything or nothing. If it's 8 threads it's because people are replying, make a christmas VIP thread if you feel it requires feedback, as well as other issues.
I don't think the prize of the posting stats is behind the lack of activityQuote:
Originally Posted by scottish
I think the whole scheme is failing as it's not motivating anyone to post to obtain any reward, which is the sole purpose for its existence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil
So the whole thing needs to be reworked in my opinion, both rewards and the criteria.
Just out of curiosity, why was it originally removed? @Phil;
It's unfair that staff have more rewards than non-staff!
Let's give more rewards to non-staff than staff!