BNP Members vote to allow non-whites to join

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Originally Posted by Tash.

I really love how you twist what I wrote. If you actually bothered to get off your high horse and read what I wrote I was agreeing with you. I don't think that any political party should be recruiting people based on their gender, age, race, colour etc. I did say that was wrong and stupid. What I meant was, and I think you know this but chose to try and make me look hypocritical, they are not saying "oh you're white, you can't join". In fact if they did say that there would be absolute uproar. Yet for some reason the BNP have gotten away with it for years. Finally, something has been done about it.

I fail to see how my view on anything turns people to extremism, you know relatively little on my views so lets not get into this argument again please :) If you want to however, I have a few choice assumptions I could attach to your views.

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I have pointed out how your points have been hypocritical and how your opinion on this is conflicting with itself; you tried to make an excuse for the Tory/Labour Party by saying "But the Labour Party and the Conservatives are not excluding people. The BNP were/technically still are. They were doing this based on the colour of a persons skin, which is generally accepted as being racist. You can disagree if you like, I don't mind, but it is racism however you look at it." and then futher went on to say "No she isn't racist, she's just not very bright." - I wonder if you'd make the same exception for the BNP & Nick Griffin who you have labelled as racist in this discussion yet it seems that when the Conservative Party & Labour Party have racial rules then its pretty well fine.

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How are Labour and the Conservatives both as racist as the BNP?

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So do you not accept that either this rule that the BNP had was not racist, or do you still stand by the fact that the BNP are racist by having this rule (but that would also mean you are agreeing with the fact the Labour & Conservative Party are also racist) - which is it?

Also I didn't twist anything, you tried to slide away from the points I brought up and are hesitant in accusing the Labour & Conservative Parties of any real wrongdoing whereas you pounced on the BNP in this thread over their racial membership rule. Afterall, you did say when you opened your first line "I read what you wrote, I just disagree." - showing that you don't really agree with me, you still disagree and it was only when I went futher on and pushed and pushed that you finally did a U-turn and said "If you actually bothered to get off your high horse and read what I wrote I was agreeing with you."

On extremism and the issue at large, it is your exact opinion of 'one rule for the BNP and another for Labour/Conservatives' that turns people towards the extremist BNP and until you fight these flaws, then they will continue to gather support from disaffected people who look at what you are saying and just think "we can see the hypocrisy in the ruling elite (Lib/Lab/Con) - maybe what the BNP are saying is true afterall".

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Indeed.

While I do not agree with membership of something or somebody being considered job/role based on their sexuality, race or any other factor, I find this stinks of hypocrisy from the ruling elite and futher deepens support for the British National Party. Labour spent taxpayer money according to Nick Griffin on a team of lawyers to chase this issue down and Nick Griffin has yet again averted their attempts and i'm glad of that.

..and why does it stink of hypocrisy?

Because the Conservatives have black-only/women-only candidate shortlists in force and so does the Labour Party. Not to mention the legislation the Labour Party has brought in over the past decade which places people based on their minority background in a job/position rather than based on their qualifications. It was also recently revealed that the Labour Party purposely engineered the social/racial makeup of this country on purpose to try and basically get under the skin of the right-wing in this country and to support Labour voting strategy.

One rule for the ruling elite, another for the BNP and anyone who has a view that doesn't tow the offical line which was only proven a few years back when 'cast-iron' Dave called UKIP racist, despite the fact UKIP do not even have any policies based on race unlike the two ruling parties and the BNP. I'm suprised here why Labour supporters on this forum and Conservative supporters also aren't calling for their parties to re-consider their actions because if the BNP are racist, then the Labour Party and the Tories are sure as hell as equally racist.

As for me, i'll continue to support UKIP because I find them the decent party out of the whole lot of them who actually want a Britain based on what you have done, not who you are - to hell with the rest of the hypocritical crooks.

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Let me get this straight. You would have flamed Labour if they didn't spend money trying to ensure racism doesn't take place on a political level, and when they do prevent racism, you flame them for wasting money.
Oh myyy! Labour can never do ANYTHING right in your eyes.
Now that's hypocrisy!

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

You support it one way, but not the other way - I find that hypocritical and quite disgusting because I hate the notion that anyone can be chosen for a job based on their race, disability, sexuality or any other factor related.

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I thought UKIP wanted to prevent asians/blacks coming to this country for so many years and therefore prevent them from getting a job. This means that UK based companies cannot hire blacks/asians. That means you are contradicting yourself.
Now that's hypocrisy!

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Let me get this straight. You would have flamed Labour if they didn't spend money trying to ensure racism doesn't take place on a political level, and when they do prevent racism, you flame them for wasting money.
Oh myyy! Labour can never do ANYTHING right in your eyes.
Now that's hypocrisy!

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Actually I wouldn't, because I dont support spending taxpayer money on something like this aka politically motivated court action against a political party, especially when the ruling party and its opposition also have 'racist' shortlist rules. So no, no hypocrisy from me at all!

Of course Labour can never do anything right, I wish they'd prove me wrong for the good of the country but the fact is they are just a bunch of crooked, shallow totally incompetant liers would I wouldn't trust if you paid me to - not to mention their stinking hypocrisy over this very issue which you seem determined to fly past and continue on about something totally not even related.

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I thought UKIP wanted to prevent asians/blacks coming to this country for so many years and therefore prevent them from getting a job. This means that UK based companies cannot hire blacks/asians. That means you are contradicting yourself.
Now that's hypocrisy!

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Sorry but firstly UKIP is not me (-:undertaker:-) and secondly that isn't even UKIP policy so I have really no idea what on earth you are on about? :S - However I would like to know of your support now for the Labour Party concerning this issue as I have kindly and helpfully pointed out the hypocrisy of it all which you are desperately trying to divert by making it up as you go along. (as shown above).

So do you still support the BNP not being allowed a racial membership policy but continue to allow the Conservatives & Labour to have a racial candidate shortlist policy implemented?

I look forward to the answer. :)

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Actually I wouldn't, because I dont support spending taxpayer money on something like this aka politically motivated court action against a political party, especially when the ruling party and its opposition also have 'racist' shortlist rules. So no, no hypocrisy from me at all!

Of course Labour can never do anything right, I wish they'd prove me wrong for the good of the country but the fact is they are just a bunch of crooked, shallow totally incompetant liers would I wouldn't trust if you paid me to - not to mention their stinking hypocrisy over this very issue which you seem determined to fly past and continue on about something totally not even related.

Sorry but firstly UKIP is not me (-:undertaker:-) and secondly that isn't even UKIP policy so I have really no idea what on earth you are on about? :S - However I would like to know of your support now for the Labour Party concerning this issue as I have kindly and helpfully pointed out the hypocrisy of it all which you are desperately trying to divert by making it up as you go along. (as shown above).

So do you still support the BNP not being allowed a racial membership policy but continue to allow the Conservatives & Labour to have a racial candidate shortlist policy implemented?

I look forward to the answer. :)

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You said UKIP wanted to prevent immigration for 5 years or so. No point lying as I can find the post.

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Originally Posted by Saurav

You said UKIP wanted to prevent immigration for 5 years or so. No point lying as I can find the post.

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So when you said "I thought UKIP wanted to prevent asians/blacks coming to this country for so many years and therefore prevent them from getting a job. This means that UK based companies cannot hire blacks/asians. That means you are contradicting yourself." you now admit you were making it up to give it a racist edge and make it look as though I was contradicting myself, which I haven't been? - Indeed UKIP policy is to stop immigration for 5 years (you got it right there) with a blanket ban while we sort out the current mess but it is not how you worded it, where you said they would stop blacks and asians coming to this country and gaining employment - hence why i'm led to believe that you make it up as you go along.

Glad we got that out of the way, anywho you still haven't answered my question; So do you still support the BNP not being allowed a racial membership policy but continue to allow the Conservatives & Labour to have a racial candidate shortlist policy implemented?

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

So when you said "I thought UKIP wanted to prevent asians/blacks coming to this country for so many years and therefore prevent them from getting a job. This means that UK based companies cannot hire blacks/asians. That means you are contradicting yourself." you now admit you were making it up to give it a racist edge and make it look as though I was contradicting myself, which I haven't been? - Indeed UKIP policy is to stop immigration for 5 years (you got it right there) with a blanket ban while we sort out the current mess but it is not how you worded it, where you said they would stop blacks and asians coming to this country and gaining employment - hence why i'm led to believe that you make it up as you go along.

Glad we got that out of the way, anywho you still haven't answered my question; So do you still support the BNP not being allowed a racial membership policy but continue to allow the Conservatives & Labour to have a racial candidate shortlist policy implemented?

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I am sorry, but:

No asians/black in this country for 5 years
is the same as:
I thought UKIP wanted to prevent asians/blacks coming to this country for so many years and therefore prevent them from getting a job. This means that UK based companies cannot hire blacks/asians. That means you are contradicting yourself.

If you don't allow asians/black for 5 years, it mans UK based companies cannot hire them - as in from different countries.

if any non-white people joined, they'd be frowned upon within their community straight away.

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Originally Posted by Saurav

I am sorry, but:

No asians/black in this country for 5 years
is the same as:
I thought UKIP wanted to prevent asians/blacks coming to this country for so many years and therefore prevent them from getting a job. This means that UK based companies cannot hire blacks/asians. That means you are contradicting yourself.

If you don't allow asians/black for 5 years, it mans UK based companies cannot hire them - as in from different countries.

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No that is not the same, UKIP policy is to stop immigration with a blanket ban (that includes whatever colour there is, whether your green, purple, white, red, black or all the colours of the rainbow). I shall explain the meaning of blanket ban because you seem determined to make it out as though UKIP have a racial immigration policy, which they do not. Anyway it means it covers everyone which means that unlike the BNP, Labour and the Conservatives they are not basing their policy on race, sexuality or disability.

I shall ask for the third time now; So do you still support the BNP not being allowed a racial membership policy but continue to allow the Conservatives & Labour to have a racial candidate shortlist policy implemented?

Oh my, I'm sure the non-whites are over the moon now they can join the BNP:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

No that is not the same, UKIP policy is to stop immigration with a blanket ban (that includes whatever colour there is, whether your green, purple, white, red, black or all the colours of the rainbow). I shall explain the meaning of blanket ban because you seem determined to make it out as though UKIP have a racial immigration policy, which they do not. Anyway it means it covers everyone which means that unlike the BNP, Labour and the Conservatives they are not basing their policy on race, sexuality or disability.

I shall ask for the third time now; So do you still support the BNP not being allowed a racial membership policy but continue to allow the Conservatives & Labour to have a racial candidate shortlist policy implemented?

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Ban all non-British. Same thing. I thought you "hate the notion that anyone can be chosen for a job based on their race, disability, sexuality or any other factor related. "