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19-08-2009, 04:25 PM
lick

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Originally Posted by Mickword

I agree, you can be 'born' gay or bi, you have to turn like that, through you experiences and you child hood stuff like that!

do what things? having bum sex with a male? i dont think so.. i still think your born like that
21-08-2009, 11:59 AM
GordonBanks

Lip balm is the only known cure for homosexuality.

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21-08-2009, 01:10 PM
luce

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Originally Posted by Clowgon

I disagree with this theory. For me personally it was down to the social environment that i grew up in.

There's all sorts of theory's out that that suggests why people are gay but there's a lot that i don't agree with, there's some that could be a possibility.

Do you agree that people are born Gay?

Nature or Nurture argument really. Personally i think it's nurture because everyone is born straight it's human nature :)
03-09-2009, 08:12 PM
kuzkasate

Well when I was like in Year8-9 we took the mick out of this gay teacher. And some teacher walks up to us and goes "You never know if your gay unless you experience it."

But why WOULD you experience it unless you are gay? Your not exactly going to have bum fun to see if you like it and see if your gay... if you agreeded to bumfun that already makes you gay :S
03-09-2009, 08:31 PM
Technologic

All I know is i'm gay. I don't care why or how, i quite like it.
03-09-2009, 09:22 PM
GommeInc

Sexuality is a difficult subject to talk about, especially with genetics and social factors (though arguably, proven as genetic). Loads of straight males may have, or have had, sex with another man as part of experimentation or because they were in a bad state of mind. Some men take rejection by a woman badly, and find themselves doing crazy things - buying stuff they don't need, going crazy by turning reclusive and having sex with more than one person of which may involve the same sex.

I disagree with the genetic AND the social sides, simply because the world is not black and white, so neither should sexuality. Some men or women may find comfort in someone of the same sex, and "magic" might happen - whether it be a one night stand or the F buddy. It's technically what is considered "gay" or "bi", but some people only seek feelings in just one person of the same gender, bringing in a debate of "Is this gay? He/she only slept with him/her once, does this make him gay?" The answer is simply no. It's the same argument with phobias, some people who are scared of spiders may not necessarily be scared of all spiders, or spiders in a certain comfort zone, but they will still be considered to have a fear of spiders in general to save having to write out the complications. It's like some claustophobic(sp?) people are frightened of enclosed spaces in general, but in some instances they may not be if for example, the enclosed room is of comfort to them. Although not necessarily the same, it follows the same basic principal. Homosexuality and bisexuality, even heterosexuality, develop and change over time - people who have sex with lots of women, or have strong feelings for women, may find themselves gay in the future as time develops, though arguably they always have that "air" to them :P

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Originally Posted by Cutbrakes

Well when I was like in Year8-9 we took the mick out of this gay teacher. And some teacher walks up to us and goes "You never know if your gay unless you experience it."

But why WOULD you experience it unless you are gay? Your not exactly going to have bum fun to see if you like it and see if your gay... if you agreeded to bumfun that already makes you gay :S

I love your signature, it's so appropriate for this thread :P

Anyway, you can experience sex with another man if you're straight, some people (not all) experiment and may like it. The world is freaky in those cases - a man may have a girlfriend, but find himself having sex with a man, possibly through drink or if a mentally testing argument broke out between him and her :P
04-09-2009, 10:36 AM
ifuseekamy

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Originally Posted by Cutbrakes

But why WOULD you experience it unless you are gay? Your not exactly going to have bum fun to see if you like it and see if your gay... if you agreeded to bumfun that already makes you gay :S

Look up prison rape, apparently **** sex is a way of asserting dominance.
04-09-2009, 11:49 AM
RandomManJay

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Originally Posted by Cutbrakes

Well when I was like in Year8-9 we took the mick out of this gay teacher. And some teacher walks up to us and goes "You never know if your gay unless you experience it."

But why WOULD you experience it unless you are gay? Your not exactly going to have bum fun to see if you like it and see if your gay... if you agreeded to bumfun that already makes you gay :S

Some people are never sure about their sexuality, either through their experience or simply sexual confusion, also just because you agree to have sex with the same sex doesn't make you gay, it depends if you are physically aroused by it before, during or after it, if you aren't then you're not. People agree to do these things because of curiosity of what it would feel like, not because they're sexually aroused by it, why do some people engage in sadomasochism when it isn't their fetish, to see what its like, if they enjoy it, fine, but it they don't, at least they tried it so they know they don't like it.

Personally I don't care about the origins of sexuality, usually people do because they either don't understand it or want to justify that it is wrong or inferior to heterosexuality (sometimes not consciously I might add), sexuality is a combination of biology and social influence, but there isn't some gene that makes you gay otherwise I would be suprised they haven't found it. The main theory behind it is that the brain wires differently in a way that it impossible to identify or correct considering it is done during development, the different wiring simply means that different triggers activate certain areas of the brain, there is no right or wrong way around this, if it wasn't meant to happen, homosexuality would have ceased to exist ages ago, but homosexuals have the same stability and maturity every a mentally stable member of society. The shows that the brain is capable or operating in this way and that it is a correct form of operation. Social influence is a little more tricky as you have to separate who is mentally stable from those who aren't, for example; some people may exhibit symptoms of necrophilia or child molestation towards the same sex, although they may be homosexuals, their form of operation isn't capable of existing in our society, also these people most often then not have severe mental problems or biological causes and thus are incapable of living in a stable and moral soceity, if these problems weren't there, they would be just as stable and mature as everyone else. Other than that, the experience or introduction of homosexual tendancies can cause latent arousal triggers to become active and dominant, so the biology has always been there, just simply inactive due to the lack of social triggers.
04-09-2009, 02:11 PM
nooblah123

Im not gay but I totally agree with this,
04-09-2009, 02:32 PM
Alkaz

Arent you born with them genes and it either develops when you go into puberty or not?
My friend is gay and has GID, he never used to be, or well never said but he wasnt before so its hard to know really :(
05-09-2009, 01:17 PM
UKIP

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Originally Posted by Luccy.

Nature or Nurture argument really. Personally i think it's nurture because everyone is born straight it's human nature :)

It isn't human nature to be just straight, hence why we have gay penguins and gay animals across the board. Nobody can influence what someone is attracted to, just like when eleven year olds first hit puberty they don't think deeply about what they are going to be attracted to, they just are.
06-09-2009, 04:32 AM
Heinous

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Originally Posted by UKIP

It isn't human nature to be just straight, hence why we have gay penguins and gay animals across the board. Nobody can influence what someone is attracted to, just like when eleven year olds first hit puberty they don't think deeply about what they are going to be attracted to, they just are.

Firstly, I have to say: I have no problem with homosexuals or bisexuals.

Now that's clear. You're a *REMOVED* It is genetically NATURAL to be straight. Just because something deviates from the norm, does not mean the norm is not normal. One could compare it to disabilities of sorts (see my first point again, this isn't an insult - merely a comparison).

No. Things do influence what people like. Our various senses, and sources, dictate everything we feel. We begin essentially as a blank state. Whatever reason someone uses an excuse, or reasoning to like their own sex, or the opposite sex (or fetishes, etc), has been caused by something. Cause and effect.

I personally treat homosexuals and bisexuals as I would any other person. If they're a decent person, I treat them decently. If they're a degradation to society, I treat them poorly (on the topic of equality; same with women - want equality, but take beneficial sexism happily).

I believe it is an absolute cop out to say "I was born this way", rather than metaphorically man up and say you chose to like a specific gender. I can, and will admit, I like girls because I want to.

(Also, yes. I'm aware being born straight contradicts choosing what gender you like. But m/f relationships procreate, the purpose of life. Whereas, f/f and m/m, do not.)

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06-09-2009, 02:23 PM
RandomManJay

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Originally Posted by Heinous

Firstly, I have to say: I have no problem with homosexuals or bisexuals.

Now that's clear. You're a moron. It is genetically NATURAL to be straight. Just because something deviates from the norm, does not mean the norm is not normal. One could compare it to disabilities of sorts (see my first point again, this isn't an insult - merely a comparison).

No. Things do influence what people like. Our various senses, and sources, dictate everything we feel. We begin essentially as a blank state. Whatever reason someone uses an excuse, or reasoning to like their own sex, or the opposite sex (or fetishes, etc), has been caused by something. Cause and effect.

I personally treat homosexuals and bisexuals as I would any other person. If they're a decent person, I treat them decently. If they're a degradation to society, I treat them poorly (on the topic of equality; same with women - want equality, but take beneficial sexism happily).

I believe it is an absolute cop out to say "I was born this way", rather than metaphorically man up and say you chose to like a specific gender. I can, and will admit, I like girls because I want to.

(Also, yes. I'm aware being born straight contradicts choosing what gender you like. But m/f relationships procreate, the purpose of life. Whereas, f/f and m/m, do not.)

You've already made a massive mistake with everyone being born straight, we aren't born with innate sexual drive to mate with the opposite sex, that is reproductive drive which has been repressed due to our evolution, sexual drive has nothing to do with sexuality, sexual drive is the want and need for sexual gratification, not reproduction, if we were sexually active from birth, its reasonable to assume that we would try to have sex with anything that moves because our sexual drive would not have been supressed, nor maintained through the social complexities and repressed instictive drives that we have acheive through our evolution. We cannot engage this sexual drive as we are unable to mate from this age therefore our sexuality is not known as we cannot become sexually active by our triggers. When we reach the age that our sexual drive becomes active, the triggers become active and our sexuality becomes known to us, thats why people say you never know if they are straight or gay when they're a child because their sex drive isn't active yet and they aren't aroused by their triggers. Our reproductive drive is similar to this respect, considering we have reached a level in intelligence and social complexity that we are able to control our instictive drives (such as the drive to reproduce) hence we are able to decide whether or not to reproduce rather than it being instinctual like all other animals beneath us within the evolutionary chain. This suggests that there are animals within the animal kingdom which are homosexual, but as their instictive drives to reproduce are not supressed, they cannot choose whether to act on their triggers as they are required to reproduce.

Also in terms of being born as a blank slate, its known as the behavioural approach to development and that our personality and in your terms sexuality as well is defined and shaped by our environment, there has not been a successful link made between environment and sexuality (this is in terms of a mentally stable environment), also because you've suggested this approach, it means that our behaviour is capable of changing as well as our sexuality, something which has never been proven for our sexuality and is often taken as truth and fact in many Christian views as well as non-believers as an excuse to be homophobic and force others into believing that their sexuality is nothing more than being brought up incorrectly and that they should change in order to be happy.

I in no way think you're homophobic as you've said in your post, just putting forth the main reason why this approach is popular to many people as if means that homosexuals are the result of inproper factors and that it can be neutralised.
06-09-2009, 03:14 PM
ifuseekamy

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Originally Posted by Heinous

I believe it is an absolute cop out to say "I was born this way", rather than metaphorically man up and say you chose to like a specific gender. I can, and will admit, I like girls because I want to.

Most gays I know say they would choose to be straight if they could. I even know some who are frustrated because they want to live a "normal life" and have a white wedding and children.
06-09-2009, 06:29 PM
Hazza

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Originally Posted by Heinous

I believe it is an absolute cop out to say "I was born this way", rather than metaphorically man up and say you chose to like a specific gender. I can, and will admit, I like girls because I want to.

Thats totally false. Most gay guys I know, including me, would if we could be straight so what you're saying is ******** quite frankly!:P
06-09-2009, 06:36 PM
buttons

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Originally Posted by Hazza

Thats totally false. Most gay guys I know, including me, would if we could be straight so what you're saying is ******** quite frankly!:P

I don't understand when people say that, why, from a gay guys point of view, would you want to be straight? Is it because you think it's "normal", if it is then what Heinous says is true that it's because you're too cowardly to admit you like the same sex because that's what you're attracted to, otherwise I really can't see why you would rather want to like the girls instead of boys as though you're ashamed :S:S:S argh cba explaining :P
06-09-2009, 06:40 PM
Immenseman

because being straight is far less hassle. nobody wants to be excluded or singled out in a negative light and unfortunately gay people are singled out in that way thus i also know many gays who wish that were straight and had the urge to go out and sleep with females, rather than males. however, they aren't and don't have such urges which excludes them from activities their friends and people around them are engaging in.

anyway, i don't think you're born gay. much more to do with upbringing and what happens around you in my opinion.
06-09-2009, 08:40 PM
GommeInc

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Originally Posted by Immenseman

because being straight is far less hassle. nobody wants to be excluded or singled out in a negative light and unfortunately gay people are singled out in that way thus i also know many gays who wish that were straight and had the urge to go out and sleep with females, rather than males. however, they aren't and don't have such urges which excludes them from activities their friends and people around them are engaging in.

anyway, i don't think you're born gay. much more to do with upbringing and what happens around you in my opinion.

Bit in bold confuses me, are homosexuals handicapped? I'm sure a gay man can do the exact same things as a straight man can :P So what activities can a gay man not do with people around them? Straight orgies? Because that contradicts orgies in so many ways (considering they require more than 1 of each gender, which means 2 men or 2 women which kinda destroys the point of strict-sexuality) :P
06-09-2009, 08:42 PM
Immenseman

no. however, do you think it's as easy to meet a lad (if you're gay) as opposed to a lady (for a straight guy). maybe in essex, not here in medieval devon :P
06-09-2009, 09:05 PM
UKIP

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Originally Posted by Heinous

Firstly, I have to say: I have no problem with homosexuals or bisexuals.

Now that's clear. You're a *REMOVED* It is genetically NATURAL to be straight. Just because something deviates from the norm, does not mean the norm is not normal. One could compare it to disabilities of sorts (see my first point again, this isn't an insult - merely a comparison).

No. Things do influence what people like. Our various senses, and sources, dictate everything we feel. We begin essentially as a blank state. Whatever reason someone uses an excuse, or reasoning to like their own sex, or the opposite sex (or fetishes, etc), has been caused by something. Cause and effect.

I personally treat homosexuals and bisexuals as I would any other person. If they're a decent person, I treat them decently. If they're a degradation to society, I treat them poorly (on the topic of equality; same with women - want equality, but take beneficial sexism happily).

I believe it is an absolute cop out to say "I was born this way", rather than metaphorically man up and say you chose to like a specific gender. I can, and will admit, I like girls because I want to.

(Also, yes. I'm aware being born straight contradicts choosing what gender you like. But m/f relationships procreate, the purpose of life. Whereas, f/f and m/m, do not.)

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Indeed it is the normal to be straight, thats the majority. However it is down to genes, just like having brown eyes is, having black hair is, having a well built body is, being six foot tall rather than 5 foot tall is.

Do people with downs syndrome choose to have downs syndrome? - no.

You do not choose to like females.

When you were eleven did you suddenly decide one day "oh i'll like girls not boys" - you're talking absolute rubbish i'm afraid. Gay people, some of them are thrown out by their families, beat up, left by friends because they are gay - do you think they chose that?
06-09-2009, 09:18 PM
GommeInc

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Originally Posted by Immenseman

no. however, do you think it's as easy to meet a lad (if you're gay) as opposed to a lady (for a straight guy). maybe in essex, not here in medieval devon :P

Awww, you poor thing ;) And apparently it's not that hard for our generation in controlled enviroments like nightclubs, universities and the work place. Hitting someone in the street doesn't tend to be the same as an invite to bed :P But of course, there are still that problem, then again, meeting someone in random places seems a bit odd :S It depends if you are out, and you get paired up or meet another out gay person, although I tend to have a dislike for people who you make good friends with, then when they come out they randomly choose to act as camp as chips. Tis frustrating :P
06-09-2009, 09:20 PM
FlyingJesus

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Originally Posted by UKIP

Indeed it is the normal to be straight, thats the majority. However it is down to genes, just like having brown eyes is, having black hair is, having a well built body is, being six foot tall rather than 5 foot tall is.

Do people with downs syndrome choose to have downs syndrome? - no.

You do not choose to like females.

That logic indicates that you therefore also believe that interests and specific concerning every interest (ie fetishes, preferred teams in preferred sports, musical tastes and so on) are genetic
06-09-2009, 09:26 PM
GommeInc

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

That logic indicates that you therefore also believe that interests and specific concerning every interest (ie fetishes, preferred teams in preferred sports, musical tastes and so on) are genetic

I don't see the logic? Genetics tend to be the cause of brown eyes, black hair, downs syndrome and sometimes aspects like height and body build :S He didn't list any interests as far as I can see, or are you quoting a different post?

Oh wait, saw the female liking :P That's debateable, but plausible.
06-09-2009, 09:52 PM
UKIP

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

That logic indicates that you therefore also believe that interests and specific concerning every interest (ie fetishes, preferred teams in preferred sports, musical tastes and so on) are genetic

That isn't genetic though, how did them gay penguins end up gay then?

.. did their parents make them play with barbie dolls?
06-09-2009, 09:57 PM
FlyingJesus

I'm fairly sure the argument for gay animals is a built in part of the survival instinct that's triggered by overpopulation in an area - survival of the species is the absolute primal instinct above all others even preservation of the self, and overpopulation threatens that
06-09-2009, 10:06 PM
UKIP

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

I'm fairly sure the argument for gay animals is a built in part of the survival instinct that's triggered by overpopulation in an area - survival of the species is the absolute primal instinct above all others even preservation of the self, and overpopulation threatens that

I believe thats maybe one of the reason for homosexuality in humans too, however that will be genetically triggered thus only strengthening the genetic argument.
06-09-2009, 10:15 PM
Immenseman

they're talking about this on the surgery in radio1 right nowwwwww.
06-09-2009, 10:19 PM
FlyingJesus

Had meant to point out that it's likely the case for humans too :P although I'd say it's definitely a case against genetics - all it means is that genetically we are all capable of being gay, but of course there is absolutely no way at birth of knowing that there are far too many humans around
06-09-2009, 10:35 PM
Hazza

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Originally Posted by buttons

I don't understand when people say that, why, from a gay guys point of view, would you want to be straight? Is it because you think it's "normal", if it is then what Heinous says is true that it's because you're too cowardly to admit you like the same sex because that's what you're attracted to, otherwise I really can't see why you would rather want to like the girls instead of boys as though you're ashamed :S:S:S argh cba explaining :P

Is not that I don't want to be, tbh I really don't mind - I'm game for anything. I like being orginal and me being gay doesn't bother me at all - its just the **** that comes with it. Like Jake said, its far less hassle to be straight, simple as.
07-09-2009, 05:24 AM
Heinous

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Originally Posted by .Sarcastix.

You've already made a massive mistake with everyone being born straight, we aren't born with innate sexual drive to mate with the opposite sex, that is reproductive drive which has been repressed due to our evolution, sexual drive has nothing to do with sexuality, sexual drive is the want and need for sexual gratification, not reproduction, if we were sexually active from birth, its reasonable to assume that we would try to have sex with anything that moves because our sexual drive would not have been supressed, nor maintained through the social complexities and repressed instictive drives that we have acheive through our evolution. We cannot engage this sexual drive as we are unable to mate from this age therefore our sexuality is not known as we cannot become sexually active by our triggers. When we reach the age that our sexual drive becomes active, the triggers become active and our sexuality becomes known to us, thats why people say you never know if they are straight or gay when they're a child because their sex drive isn't active yet and they aren't aroused by their triggers. Our reproductive drive is similar to this respect, considering we have reached a level in intelligence and social complexity that we are able to control our instictive drives (such as the drive to reproduce) hence we are able to decide whether or not to reproduce rather than it being instinctual like all other animals beneath us within the evolutionary chain. This suggests that there are animals within the animal kingdom which are homosexual, but as their instictive drives to reproduce are not supressed, they cannot choose whether to act on their triggers as they are required to reproduce.

Also in terms of being born as a blank slate, its known as the behavioural approach to development and that our personality and in your terms sexuality as well is defined and shaped by our environment, there has not been a successful link made between environment and sexuality (this is in terms of a mentally stable environment), also because you've suggested this approach, it means that our behaviour is capable of changing as well as our sexuality, something which has never been proven for our sexuality and is often taken as truth and fact in many Christian views as well as non-believers as an excuse to be homophobic and force others into believing that their sexuality is nothing more than being brought up incorrectly and that they should change in order to be happy.

I in no way think you're homophobic as you've said in your post, just putting forth the main reason why this approach is popular to many people as if means that homosexuals are the result of inproper factors and that it can be neutralised.

I say born straight because we're born to reproduce. Meaning of life (well, you know). Homosexuality blatantly defies that. My understanding of the human brain is vastly greater than my understanding of animal brains, sorry.

Our behavior is capable of change. People change. You've never seen the links between people being raised in a crappy environment turning out.. less advantages than those in a good environment? I also don't think there's been a proven link between genes and homosexuality.

I'm not saying "watch girl shows and you'll turn gay", but I'm most certainly not saying "once your born, your sexual taste is predetermined". Being gay seems to be a current trend. Compare the amount of open gays now, to 10 years ago, to 50, to 100, to 500. Yes, closet gayness is a factor. But it seems so many more are gay now.

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Originally Posted by ifuseekamy

Most gays I know say they would choose to be straight if they could. I even know some who are frustrated because they want to live a "normal life" and have a white wedding and children.

Then why the hell are they gay? God that's stupid.

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Originally Posted by Hazza

Thats totally false. Most gay guys I know, including me, would if we could be straight so what you're saying is ******** quite frankly!:P

See the immediate above..

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Originally Posted by UKIP

Indeed it is the normal to be straight, thats the majority. However it is down to genes, just like having brown eyes is, having black hair is, having a well built body is, being six foot tall rather than 5 foot tall is.

Do people with downs syndrome choose to have downs syndrome? - no.

You do not choose to like females.

When you were eleven did you suddenly decide one day "oh i'll like girls not boys" - you're talking absolute rubbish i'm afraid. Gay people, some of them are thrown out by their families, beat up, left by friends because they are gay - do you think they chose that?

Bullcrap sexuality is in your genes. You think if your father is homosexual, you will be too? Or is it random chance? If it's random chance, it's not really a genetics thing.

No, however, I wouldn't consider homosexuality a disability either.

How the hell would you know? I also chose to experiment with males at a certain age. Through choice.

I did what I felt was natural, that's like females. Through upbringing, I felt it was natural. If I was surrounded by gay people, I possibly would've been more prone to being gay. It's easy to throw someone elses arguement out in favour of your own?

"I think this", "NO YOU DONT YOUR WRONG". Ignorant. Yes, gay people get treated differently, usually negatively. It's unfortunate, but fact of society. Do you choose to eat because of your bowel movements, or because you like the food?

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

That logic indicates that you therefore also believe that interests and specific concerning every interest (ie fetishes, preferred teams in preferred sports, musical tastes and so on) are genetic

<3
07-09-2009, 09:00 AM
RandomManJay

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Originally Posted by Heinous

I say born straight because we're born to reproduce. Meaning of life (well, you know). Homosexuality blatantly defies that. My understanding of the human brain is vastly greater than my understanding of animal brains, sorry.

Our behavior is capable of change. People change. You've never seen the links between people being raised in a crappy environment turning out.. less advantages than those in a good environment? I also don't think there's been a proven link between genes and homosexuality.

I'm not saying "watch girl shows and you'll turn gay", but I'm most certainly not saying "once your born, your sexual taste is predetermined". Being gay seems to be a current trend. Compare the amount of open gays now, to 10 years ago, to 50, to 100, to 500. Yes, closet gayness is a factor. But it seems so many more are gay now.

We are still animals, and of course we were created to reproduce, but the need to create offspring isn't active anymore, we choose when and whether to have children, our instincts don't drive us to do it otherwise every year we would all gather to mate and have our offspring 9 months later. This ability to suppress out basic insticts is a part of our evolution, creation of stable language, social complexes and overall intelligence, this is what sets us aside from all other animals as they have not reached this level in their evolution to suppress the very instincts which have given us the choice to mate.

I never suggested for a minute that genes has anything to do with homosexuality (read my first post), I do agree that society can influence homosexuality, but not in the way that is thought to be, our sexual triggers are in built within us during our development into an unborn baby while our sexual drive isn't active. The premise that everyone is born heterosexual is simply taken from years and years of homosexuality being considered being a choice considering heterosexuals didn't choose to become homosexuals, so the choice becomes whether to be heterosexual naturally or choose to homosexual to defy the norm and be different, not the choosing of being one or another or either or both. No one knows what they are going to be sexually aroused by until they reach the age that they are capable of become sexually aroused, so essentially your sexuality is always there, just not present until you can get sexually aroused. We do not choose our triggers, our minds would be unable to choose them at the age puberty begins, even as an adult we would be unable to choose them as they are the very foundation of what actives our suppressed sexual drive.

I'll just say a couple of things which have influenced the increase in people coming out:

- As you say it, it is a current trend.
- Homosexuality is now more accepted than it was 40 years ago when it was legalised, there are still many people who refuse to come out because of the fear that is still present in society.
- Technoligical influence, this is basically the same but to a degree different. You can be anyone you want on the internet, even your true self, if people who don't even know you accept you, then it makes you more confident with those you do know you and you are more comfortable about coming out.

It is true that homosexuality is a trend of the modern age, but 20 years ago it was even more popular, and even then the amount of people who have came out has increased even while the trend has died down almost entirely. You can't simply that we choose our sexuality, otherwise a lot of homosexuals would change, and many have tried, but in the end it doesn't work, either its through the nurture arguement, which puts the blame on anyone else but you, the choice arguement which puts all the blame on you, or your biological development during pregnancy which puts the blame on no one. These arguements are still out, but whats difficult is deciding whats simply assumption to what is logically plausable.

No one knows the true origins of our sexuality, but puttng that you have chosen to be attracted to women only compells me to ask you to test out your theory, try to be sexual attracted to men, just once, make that choice and see if it works, if you can do that, then obviously you can go back to women in a snap, I can tell you, I've known people who have tried in both sexualities, but in the end have failed.
07-09-2009, 10:43 PM
UKIP

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Bullcrap sexuality is in your genes. You think if your father is homosexual, you will be too? Or is it random chance? If it's random chance, it's not really a genetics thing.

No, however, I wouldn't consider homosexuality a disability either.

How the hell would you know? I also chose to experiment with males at a certain age. Through choice.

I did what I felt was natural, that's like females. Through upbringing, I felt it was natural. If I was surrounded by gay people, I possibly would've been more prone to being gay. It's easy to throw someone elses arguement out in favour of your own?

"I think this", "NO YOU DONT YOUR WRONG". Ignorant. Yes, gay people get treated differently, usually negatively. It's unfortunate, but fact of society. Do you choose to eat because of your bowel movements, or because you like the food?

Ohh my god.

You think if your father is homosexual, you will be too?
- Have gay guys all sprouted wombs because i'm pretty sure to have kids you need to be straight, of course their are exceptions which i'll get onto now.

If it's random chance, it's not really a genetics thing.
- Genetics are random, like the random fact that you could have brown eyes or blue eyes, could be hairy or not hairy, could have darker skin or lighter skin.

Do you choose to eat because of your bowel movements, or because you like the food?
- We like food because as clever species we can make that choice, however its instinct to eat otherwise we wouldn't do it, just like its instinct to be attracted to girls or guys - all of which is influenced by genes.
07-09-2009, 11:06 PM
Hazza

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Then why the hell are they gay? God that's stupid.

Are you that stupid that you think you can turn around and go "Right, I'm straight now!" - If you are then god help you. :rolleyes:
08-09-2009, 03:14 AM
Heinous

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Originally Posted by UKIP

Ohh my god.

You think if your father is homosexual, you will be too?
- Have gay guys all sprouted wombs because i'm pretty sure to have kids you need to be straight, of course their are exceptions which i'll get onto now.

If it's random chance, it's not really a genetics thing.
- Genetics are random, like the random fact that you could have brown eyes or blue eyes, could be hairy or not hairy, could have darker skin or lighter skin.

Do you choose to eat because of your bowel movements, or because you like the food?
- We like food because as clever species we can make that choice, however its instinct to eat otherwise we wouldn't do it, just like its instinct to be attracted to girls or guys - all of which is influenced by genes.

No because your theory of being "born gay" would mean that in the past, there's been gays who for whatever reason, "acted straight". Which can very well lead to children. My point stands though.

Hmm, no they aren't. If your parents both have hazel eyes, VERY likely you will too. People who have heart complications in their family? More prone to it. If two black people have a child, the baby is going to be black. So don't be so stupid as to say genetics are random.

Yes, but my comparison was food = sexuality, bowel movements = 'negative' side effects for gays, and eating out of instinct = reproducing out of instinct. WHY WOULD SOMEONE CHOOSE TO BE GAY BECAUSE OF ALL THE PREJUDICE?

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Originally Posted by Hazza

Are you that stupid that you think you can turn around and go "Right, I'm straight now!" - If you are then god help you. :rolleyes:

Oh, you're Christian?

You're really so gutless that you think that because you like a certain gender, it was pre-determined at birth/conception, and you will forever like that gender, because you have absolutely no control over your mind or body?
08-09-2009, 09:53 AM
Black_Apalachi

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Originally Posted by infrequent

In psychology we were taught that it's to do with how you were brought up and nothing to do with being born either 'gay' or 'straight'

We weren't taught a definitive answer one way or the other though? It's all part of the nature/nurture debate and there's support and criticisms of each.

Weren't you taught about that Brian/Brenda fella? When he was born, he needed some sort of laser surgery or something on his penis but the doctor somehow accidentally removed (most of) his penis. Anyway, his mother decided to then bring him up as a girl (don't ask me why lol :P). So she changed his name from Brian to Brenda and bought him girl's toys and clothes. However he never fitted in with anyone and once he grew up he chose to change back to Brian and live like a man and eventually got married to a woman.

So this supports the nature debate as even though this guy was brought up as a girl from practically birth, his own feelings and instincts led him to go back to living as a male and being attracted to females.

On the other hand, there was a guy in my year at school (who was a bit weird tbf) but although he'd never had a girlfriend, he was seemingly straight. It got to sixth form, and he asked a couple of different girls out (apparently he was really needy about it, like 'pleeeaseeee' :rolleyes:) but later on after no success, he suddenly claimed to be "bi". Then eventually he announced he was gay and now whenever I see him he's always reminding people of how he's "gay". Every so often on Facebook I see he has some random "boyfriend" but they just look as weird has he does really.

I think in this case, he has clearly chosen but then again, I think it's a bit of an unlikely case anyway as it seems he just turned to another solution to being rejected all the time. So although very weakly, this supports the nurture side as his "decision" was affected by his environment and personal experiences.

By the way, do any gay people notice that with other gay people where they always seem to have to remind people that they are gay? And there's also that voice that a lot of gay people seem to have. I know this doesn't apply to all but I'm just wondering what others think of it?
08-09-2009, 10:53 AM
ifuseekamy

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Originally Posted by Robald

I think in this case, he has clearly chosen but then again, I think it's a bit of an unlikely case anyway as it seems he just turned to another solution to being rejected all the time. So although very weakly, this supports the nurture side as his "decision" was affected by his environment and personal experiences.

Just sounds like a typical closeted gay. Put it this way, do you think changing your sexuality on your social networking profile means that you'll suddenly be turned on by and get an erection from looking at men? (assuming you're straight of couse).
08-09-2009, 11:04 AM
Black_Apalachi

No lol. I don't think that's what I said but OK :P.
08-09-2009, 11:13 AM
RandomManJay

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Originally Posted by Robald

By the way, do any gay people notice that with other gay people where they always seem to have to remind people that they are gay? And there's also that voice that a lot of gay people seem to have. I know this doesn't apply to all but I'm just wondering what others think of it?

I'm not actually gay, but I have noticed it with some people, like they were expecting a bigger response to them coming out and when they didn't get it they think either they don't believe them or they simply don't know or forgot etc. so they feel compelled to tell everyone over and over again (lol). I've also noticed it usually occurs when they're seen to be obviously gay but never come out until later on in life when people have already accepted the possiblity that they are and have gotten used to it. Also some gay people sort of go from one extreme to the other when it comes to coming out, like they're repressing their sexuality so much that they hide their natural behaviour and when they come out, they go to this uber-gay persona, its a little annoying to be honast cause its like they think there is the image of homosexuality which much be fulfilled when to be honast there isn't one these days, also I don't think many homosexuals want to go out with a man whose so feminine it would be like ******** a woman with a penis.
08-09-2009, 03:22 PM
FlyingJesus

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Originally Posted by UKIP

Genetics are random, like the random fact that you could have brown eyes or blue eyes, could be hairy or not hairy, could have darker skin or lighter skin.

Genetics is a science, you can predetermine to quite some degree how they will pan out. Two parents with black hair are unlikely to produce a blonde baby because that is a recessive gene, and random differences in genes are not all that common. There is no way to say that gene pooling is a random thing

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Originally Posted by UKIP

We like food because as clever species we can make that choice, however its instinct to eat otherwise we wouldn't do it, just like its instinct to be attracted to girls or guys - all of which is influenced by genes.

Instinct as far as I'm aware is an innate brain function rather than a genetic property

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Originally Posted by Robald

Weren't you taught about that Brian/Brenda fella? When he was born, he needed some sort of laser surgery or something on his penis but the doctor somehow accidentally removed (most of) his penis. Anyway, his mother decided to then bring him up as a girl (don't ask me why lol :P). So she changed his name from Brian to Brenda and bought him girl's toys and clothes. However he never fitted in with anyone and once he grew up he chose to change back to Brian and live like a man and eventually got married to a woman.

So this supports the nature debate as even though this guy was brought up as a girl from practically birth, his own feelings and instincts led him to go back to living as a male and being attracted to females.

Actually it's in support of neither as it was a medical mistake - he still had the chemical makeup of a male despite not having a penis. There's no proof that bringing up a boy in female way (ie: in dresses playing with dolls) will make anyone gay, it's just stereotyping that suggests gay males are effeminate
15-09-2009, 11:25 AM
VirtualG

I think saying that you are being born straight or gay is pretty nieve. Humans, like all animals, have a natural instinct to reproduce and keep your blood line going although Humans, along with bottle nose dolphins (The only other animal out there) enjoy intercourse and maybe attracted to the same sex for whatever reason. I, therefore, believe it's a much larger "nurture" factor rather than nature. And by nurture I mean your surrounding environment and how it influences you, not just how you were brought up eg. A sailor maybe be straight but after seeing nothing but men for a year he may get some urges... Saying that someone is born one way or another is not right then. If you were gay and then cought amnesia you would probably become straight again as you do not remember the events that influenced you one way or another and would most likely be straight as that what the majority of the population is and is expected to be so you would naturally assume your apart of that majoritye, unless a male streaker just ran past and you got bumpy :P Ohh, and saying that it's genetics cant really be correct as gay people cant have children togther naturally so therefore they cant pass on the gene unless they have a test tube baby or they had a child before being gay, and how often will that happen?

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