Being born Gay

[GommeInc]

no. however, do you think it's as easy to meet a lad (if you're gay) as opposed to a lady (for a straight guy). maybe in essex, not here in medieval devon

Awww, you poor thing And apparently it's not that hard for our generation in controlled enviroments like nightclubs, universities and the work place. Hitting someone in the street doesn't tend to be the same as an invite to bed But of course, there are still that problem, then again, meeting someone in random places seems a bit odd :S It depends if you are out, and you get paired up or meet another out gay person, although I tend to have a dislike for people who you make good friends with, then when they come out they randomly choose to act as camp as chips. Tis frustrating

[FlyingJesus]

Indeed it is the normal to be straight, thats the majority. However it is down to genes, just like having brown eyes is, having black hair is, having a well built body is, being six foot tall rather than 5 foot tall is.

Do people with downs syndrome choose to have downs syndrome? - no.

You do not choose to like females.

That logic indicates that you therefore also believe that interests and specific concerning every interest (ie fetishes, preferred teams in preferred sports, musical tastes and so on) are genetic

[GommeInc]

That logic indicates that you therefore also believe that interests and specific concerning every interest (ie fetishes, preferred teams in preferred sports, musical tastes and so on) are genetic

I don't see the logic? Genetics tend to be the cause of brown eyes, black hair, downs syndrome and sometimes aspects like height and body build :S He didn't list any interests as far as I can see, or are you quoting a different post?

Oh wait, saw the female liking That's debateable, but plausible.

[UKIP]

That logic indicates that you therefore also believe that interests and specific concerning every interest (ie fetishes, preferred teams in preferred sports, musical tastes and so on) are genetic

That isn't genetic though, how did them gay penguins end up gay then?

.. did their parents make them play with barbie dolls?

[FlyingJesus]

I'm fairly sure the argument for gay animals is a built in part of the survival instinct that's triggered by overpopulation in an area - survival of the species is the absolute primal instinct above all others even preservation of the self, and overpopulation threatens that

[UKIP]

I'm fairly sure the argument for gay animals is a built in part of the survival instinct that's triggered by overpopulation in an area - survival of the species is the absolute primal instinct above all others even preservation of the self, and overpopulation threatens that

I believe thats maybe one of the reason for homosexuality in humans too, however that will be genetically triggered thus only strengthening the genetic argument.

[Immenseman]

they're talking about this on the surgery in radio1 right nowwwwww.

[FlyingJesus]

Had meant to point out that it's likely the case for humans too although I'd say it's definitely a case against genetics - all it means is that genetically we are all capable of being gay, but of course there is absolutely no way at birth of knowing that there are far too many humans around

[Hazza]

I don't understand when people say that, why, from a gay guys point of view, would you want to be straight? Is it because you think it's "normal", if it is then what Heinous says is true that it's because you're too cowardly to admit you like the same sex because that's what you're attracted to, otherwise I really can't see why you would rather want to like the girls instead of boys as though you're ashamed :S:S:S argh cba explaining

Is not that I don't want to be, tbh I really don't mind - I'm game for anything. I like being orginal and me being gay doesn't bother me at all - its just the **** that comes with it. Like Jake said, its far less hassle to be straight, simple as.

[Heinous]

You've already made a massive mistake with everyone being born straight, we aren't born with innate sexual drive to mate with the opposite sex, that is reproductive drive which has been repressed due to our evolution, sexual drive has nothing to do with sexuality, sexual drive is the want and need for sexual gratification, not reproduction, if we were sexually active from birth, its reasonable to assume that we would try to have sex with anything that moves because our sexual drive would not have been supressed, nor maintained through the social complexities and repressed instictive drives that we have acheive through our evolution. We cannot engage this sexual drive as we are unable to mate from this age therefore our sexuality is not known as we cannot become sexually active by our triggers. When we reach the age that our sexual drive becomes active, the triggers become active and our sexuality becomes known to us, thats why people say you never know if they are straight or gay when they're a child because their sex drive isn't active yet and they aren't aroused by their triggers. Our reproductive drive is similar to this respect, considering we have reached a level in intelligence and social complexity that we are able to control our instictive drives (such as the drive to reproduce) hence we are able to decide whether or not to reproduce rather than it being instinctual like all other animals beneath us within the evolutionary chain. This suggests that there are animals within the animal kingdom which are homosexual, but as their instictive drives to reproduce are not supressed, they cannot choose whether to act on their triggers as they are required to reproduce.

Also in terms of being born as a blank slate, its known as the behavioural approach to development and that our personality and in your terms sexuality as well is defined and shaped by our environment, there has not been a successful link made between environment and sexuality (this is in terms of a mentally stable environment), also because you've suggested this approach, it means that our behaviour is capable of changing as well as our sexuality, something which has never been proven for our sexuality and is often taken as truth and fact in many Christian views as well as non-believers as an excuse to be homophobic and force others into believing that their sexuality is nothing more than being brought up incorrectly and that they should change in order to be happy.

I in no way think you're homophobic as you've said in your post, just putting forth the main reason why this approach is popular to many people as if means that homosexuals are the result of inproper factors and that it can be neutralised.

I say born straight because we're born to reproduce. Meaning of life (well, you know). Homosexuality blatantly defies that. My understanding of the human brain is vastly greater than my understanding of animal brains, sorry.

Our behavior is capable of change. People change. You've never seen the links between people being raised in a crappy environment turning out.. less advantages than those in a good environment? I also don't think there's been a proven link between genes and homosexuality.

I'm not saying "watch girl shows and you'll turn gay", but I'm most certainly not saying "once your born, your sexual taste is predetermined". Being gay seems to be a current trend. Compare the amount of open gays now, to 10 years ago, to 50, to 100, to 500. Yes, closet gayness is a factor. But it seems so many more are gay now.

Most gays I know say they would choose to be straight if they could. I even know some who are frustrated because they want to live a "normal life" and have a white wedding and children.

Then why the hell are they gay? God that's stupid.

Thats totally false. Most gay guys I know, including me, would if we could be straight so what you're saying is ******** quite frankly!

See the immediate above..

Indeed it is the normal to be straight, thats the majority. However it is down to genes, just like having brown eyes is, having black hair is, having a well built body is, being six foot tall rather than 5 foot tall is.

Do people with downs syndrome choose to have downs syndrome? - no.

You do not choose to like females.

When you were eleven did you suddenly decide one day "oh i'll like girls not boys" - you're talking absolute rubbish i'm afraid. Gay people, some of them are thrown out by their families, beat up, left by friends because they are gay - do you think they chose that?

Bullcrap sexuality is in your genes. You think if your father is homosexual, you will be too? Or is it random chance? If it's random chance, it's not really a genetics thing.

No, however, I wouldn't consider homosexuality a disability either.

How the hell would you know? I also chose to experiment with males at a certain age. Through choice.

I did what I felt was natural, that's like females. Through upbringing, I felt it was natural. If I was surrounded by gay people, I possibly would've been more prone to being gay. It's easy to throw someone elses arguement out in favour of your own?

"I think this", "NO YOU DONT YOUR WRONG". Ignorant. Yes, gay people get treated differently, usually negatively. It's unfortunate, but fact of society. Do you choose to eat because of your bowel movements, or because you like the food?

That logic indicates that you therefore also believe that interests and specific concerning every interest (ie fetishes, preferred teams in preferred sports, musical tastes and so on) are genetic