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Originally Posted by Inseriousity.

Things that could be improved

- Preparation
I was shocked to learn that it was being done as it went along. This explains a lot of the huge gaps between tasks. All the tasks should've been thought out beforehand really.

- Team work
Where were all the moderators? It is sad that 99% of the event was placed on Phil's shoulders. If the moderators got involved more, there could've been a lot more done. Also general management (sam in particular but anyone could've pitched in I suppose) could've helped out a bit when it became apparent that Phil was struggling to maintain momentum alone.

- Audience participation
A lot of potential to use the audience here. Jungle Discussion forum, more involvement with secret tasks (someone ordered to do what the audience decides, for instance). I've always personally been against doing the 'limited events' - events that are limited to a certain number of people - I prefered hosting the events that anyone could join at any time but the success of the Mole means there is room for both. Would be better to give outsiders a reason to get involved too though.

- Skype
Other camp used Skype to chat tactics giving them a distinct advantage and allowing others - hi zebbadi ;) - to see our tactics and feedback to the other team with no knowledge that its been received.

- Dingo Dollars
Could've had a seperate forum that you forced 2 people into to do small challenges just like the real show. It's a good way to isolate people and get a different perspective than it would when they're all together in one.

Things I liked

- The beginning.
Unlike Kardan, I thought it was a good system and the flaw that he points out was fixed straight away when you realised that Kardan had access to the task early.

- Battleships.
I really enjoyed this task as well. It lasted a long time, sure it was luck-based but being luck-based isn't necessarily an inferior thing imo. It was fun and a task that meant the teams had to work together. As I mentioned teamwork earlier, I think it's only fair that I point out Calum helped out with this task.

- Secret tasks
Sure they were all crowded together but they were good. Liva's random argument, Martin talking bout random topics just to get the answers to his questions, Ross' forgiveness thread and kyle being wtf

- Team plasto
We were the best team woooo.

- Doing the event
I agree with Kardan completely here. It is great that this event was put on after a long time of inactivity in this area. It is good that Phil took that risk and I hope to see many more in the future.

Congratulations Liva, a well deserved victory :D

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I'm only up to this part on the thread - I informed SMODs and Phil before it began that he'd have AGMs there if he needed help (as he said he was busy with work or whatever), but I think he thought/did cope with himself, Elliott and nick.

I got in with this a lot more than I did Big Brother, as I never watched BB previous to the event that took place (I still have on my signature picture 'BlackTux To Win HxFBB 2010' lmao!)

Anyway, as I haven't read the full thread yet, and Phil might have replied by now - a lot of planning did go into this, when he got SMOD/acting SMOD he posted the idea in the forum and asked for help from me, Nick and Chris mainly for feedback and ideas. Then as far as I was aware the tasks were planned or so I thought? I remember because Calum told me that he was coming up with tasks and this was a good while before it started too. Not sure what fully happened there.

What I think would have been good, would have been getting say one of the GM members to double check and proof read the tasks if this wasn't done (I'll assume) that they were in the forum threads, which I would have looked at more with mentions/quotes.

It was a real shame people felt the need to cheat and the majority who did to be honest just made themselves get evicted for it too. Audience participation more would have been good, as it led to the spam threads turning into heated debates instead which was a shame too.

However, I think it was a lovely event overall, balancing the good and bad a bit and I think it's nice to see something different.

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Originally Posted by Sianness

ooh alo. I think my opinion involving not the right people, was mainly down to pure surprise about who did get in, though some of them worked there wasnt really any fresh habbox faces (i dont know if anyone relatively new bothered to apply though). As a lot of people were saying, it wasn't particularly interesting to watch in the end, which is down half to the people who were put in and half to the little amount they had to do.

Some improvements for next time (as I think a next time is plausable);

- create tasks that they have to do each day, try to add more roleplay into it? (not heavily, but just to imitate being in a jungle more.

- A lot more audience participation, giving us chances to control what happens within the jungle, not just by voting.

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Oh yeah forgot about that. the jungle theme could've been used more. not really a big deal if its not especially as the tasks were rushed but tasks with a jungle theme (instead of battleships, perhaps poisonous snakes. same game, jungle themed).

liva was fairly new (in the sense people are like 'whos that'), perhaps there could've been more but hx is quite lacking in the newcomers atm!

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Originally Posted by Inseriousity.

Oh yeah forgot about that. the jungle theme could've been used more. not really a big deal if its not especially as the tasks were rushed but tasks with a jungle theme (instead of battleships, perhaps poisonous snakes. same game, jungle themed).

liva was fairly new (in the sense people are like 'whos that'), perhaps there could've been more but hx is quite lacking in the newcomers atm!

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Oh, I like that idea - I think that'd really emphasised the jungle theme a bit more.

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Originally Posted by Samanfa

I'm only up to this part on the thread - I informed SMODs and Phil before it began that he'd have AGMs there if he needed help (as he said he was busy with work or whatever), but I think he thought/did cope with himself, Elliott and nick.

I got in with this a lot more than I did Big Brother, as I never watched BB previous to the event that took place (I still have on my signature picture 'BlackTux To Win HxFBB 2010' lmao!)

Anyway, as I haven't read the full thread yet, and Phil might have replied by now - a lot of planning did go into this, when he got SMOD/acting SMOD he posted the idea in the forum and asked for help from me, Nick and Chris mainly for feedback and ideas. Then as far as I was aware the tasks were planned or so I thought? I remember because Calum told me that he was coming up with tasks and this was a good while before it started too. Not sure what fully happened there.

What I think would have been good, would have been getting say one of the GM members to double check and proof read the tasks if this wasn't done (I'll assume) that they were in the forum threads, which I would have looked at more with mentions/quotes.

It was a real shame people felt the need to cheat and the majority who did to be honest just made themselves get evicted for it too. Audience participation more would have been good, as it led to the spam threads turning into heated debates instead which was a shame too.

However, I think it was a lovely event overall, balancing the good and bad a bit and I think it's nice to see something different.

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Well how much exactly did Elliott and Nick get involved? By sounds of things, Phil was practically juggling Ant, Dec and Keith singlehandedly 99% of the time (we know that they must've used it a little if someone accidently voted on Dec). Perhaps pride meant Phil didn't reach out for help or maybe he did, I won't be able to answer that, but either way if it was apparent to everyone outside of the event that someone needed to jump in and provide a bit of assistance - even if it was something simple like chatting with the contestants more - then it could've been recognised by yourself too.

I know that you have a lot of forums so these things can get missed though so I understand the mentions point but a closer eye on things in future should aid the planning process.

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Originally Posted by scottish

Again I agree, there should have been a few days before anyone had been getting any exemptions or getting kicked out, what's the point getting put in if you're basically out the next day. I also believe exemptions should have been a rare thing rather than one person getting one a day, but then I suppose you wanting each group to vote for something so gave them that.

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I think there were a total of three maybe four exemptions throughout the competition and I don't think that's too many. I don't tihnk leaving it a few days would have been a very good idea because then the task would still be going on now and would be for another two days.

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Originally Posted by scottish

RNG tasks are fine if they're a one-off so maybe like 1 or 2 in the entire event (1 or 2 if there was multiple events a day, not the way it turned out), I doubt they've planned enough to know what would have happened if your team has won the second day, so the exemption would have probably been useless.

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Was supposed to say this in my first reply. I actually had a plan laid out for the two/three days before the camps merged and I had it so if buttons team had won and her exemption was pointless, she would have kept the immunity for the first eviction that otherwise applied to her and as a twist we would have asked her to choose one person from her own team to join LL in the eviction @Kardan; tagging you because you asked this and forgot to answer soz)

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Originally Posted by scottish

I'd like to see the voting statistics (for every vote) but also specifically for that period where Cassie was begging for votes via skype and asking HxL DJ's to beg in the staff forums to see how much it actually impacted her voting and see if the punishment was actually fair (say she had 30 and next person has 5, hardly fair with a 50% reduction :P). I highly doubt anyone else did as no-one from the other group speaks to Empired so it's most likely just Empired trying to stick up for Cassie so she doesn't look as pathetic.

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I will be releasing the polls but I will not be releasing who voted in each and who they voted for.

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Originally Posted by scottish

Again, I agree with you that having too many RNG tasks is just silly in something like this. As well as the method that was used (using prize already in the pot rather than having a pot). I believe it should have worked something a long the lines of you have 50 of everything in the pot, leave it or bet it. Bet it you win 2x, whatevers left end of day you have it in your prize pot including what you had before. So you can bet but you're not losing rewards you have already achieved.

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Only one of the tasks was RNG and I agree I should have put a seperate prize. That was a bad call on my behalf but I'll keep that in mind if I ever do something like that again.

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Originally Posted by scottish

Again with the comment I made before, at least the SMOD's should be testing (maybe a few more people from before the event started that you could trust to do it), but then again that would require preparation where as this all seemed last minute rush rather than carefully thought through. I don't see why it had to be rushed either, @e5; posted saying the plan originated in January, so you've had 3 months to come up with ideas for tasks and plan it out, and instead you're rushing the tasks the night before the day you have to post it. This is why the 'jungle' was dead essentially, there was nothing to do and when there was it was wrong.

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Yeah there was little preperation in terms of tasks, I'll happily admit to that but I don't want people to think the idea was just rushed. I spoke about this in my other reply so won't say much here. The thread was out three motnhs ago, there was just very little contribution.

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Originally Posted by scottish

Yup, short of talking the tasks were the main thing in the jungle, having 1 a day just made the environment of the jungle dead. When there was tasks there was a lot of discussion and it was going fine (except with errors, and of course the Lodge Lake group who kept everything to Skype).

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While the lack of tasks contributed to that, I couldn't do anything about the lack of interaction between campmates. As I said in my last reply, HxBB has four tasks throughout the competition but at the same time, the forums were constantly active with the housemates?

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Originally Posted by scottish

It should have been advertised within the hotel (HxHD, events, etc), it should have been advertised on Habbox.com (banned, page about it, etc), it should have been advertised on the forum (community announcements, a notification at the top, etc). Not sure if it was any of those but I certainly didn't see any, so if it was there wasn't enough.

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All the mods had signatures, there were teaser in Spam about 12 hours before to get people talking and there were Forum Notices during the week and of course, the application thread in Habbox Announcements.

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Originally Posted by scottish

Again I agree, it's completely unfair on the other team if one team is received information the other team isn't, I'd go as far as saying that's cheating and should have been punished for it, but yeah. They shouldn't have contact with anyone really outside of the competition regarding the competition (even with your own team).

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Both teams received the information in this case.

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Originally Posted by scottish

Also, with regards to the 'secret visitor' or whatever, how did that come about?

It just seemed to be completely random then he just randomly got stuck in?

Should have been more audience participation on that behalf as well, maybe the winner of some public task got put in rather than just random, and they had to do something for you to win the chance to be put in, rather than just randomly planting you in.

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I assume you mean GoldenMerc here? I had decided that previously going by who people put for "Who you do not want to be in The Jungle with" and who applied.

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Originally Posted by scottish

Also another thing under the preparation, the groups and forums.

Soon as the groups got merged to the Base Camp forum, the forum wasn't set up and @Phil; had to rush and mess about to get the perms working so public people couldn't post but jungler's could. This should have been set up wellllll in advance and just hidden the forum from everyone until the right time. As it was a massive screw up at the time allowing any of us to post in it, then you removed it, re-added it then the jungler's couldn't post in other peoples or view other peoples. Then you eventually fixed it.

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Ugh yeah, that was a complete mess-up. Surprised Aiden didn't mention that one :P as I said, i'm obviously only in the role like three weeks so still getting used to the permissions and stuff and apologies for that.

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Originally Posted by Kardan

Nah, I was too busy stressing about the test (that I did fail :P)

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Sorry to hear you failed :(

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Originally Posted by Kyle

Not much was really said about it and the run up was more of a brisk walk. Creating a few graphics does not equal creating a hype. Personally, I have signatures disabled so IDK if it was being advertised in those like the normal big events (HXSS etc) are but it would be nice to have seen more images and links to the event all over the site.

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Aside from signatures, there was the teaser posted in spam before applications went open and Forum Notices were posted. What more would you suggest for advertising forum wise?

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Originally Posted by Kyle

The choosing of participants was a little weird and by not BCCing names in reply to applicants everybody was aware of who had applied and it was easy enough to predict who would be entering next. After seeing the distribution of participants through both camps I think we can all come to the consensus that allowing us to choose who we had with us was a bad idea. Those who were quickest at tasks picked those that they thought would also be good with tasks or more entertaining to be stuck with, leaving the other camp with slow or boring people. Picking campmates was all about self interest and what could be gained or how to disadvantage the other team (putting cornbix with them, for example) and no regard for how this could impact on the potential audience. As a result, Plasto Plateau was populated with the most active forum members and Loser Lake were given the dregs that we didn't want. Perhaps if the organiser(s) had considered this then both camps would have been a little more active/entertaining. Who knows.

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I don't think choosing who the camps had on their team was a bad idea at all? That's how they do it on the show and I actually really liked the start of the competition.

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Originally Posted by Kyle

Punishments were erratic and inconsistent. Before I go on I want to point out that I asked for @Cassiieee;s punishment to be less harsh because I felt that she would become an interesting character to watch and hadn't been allowed to reveal her true entertainment value considering who she was placed with. Ok, so... Just because you tweak a punishment to keep one user in, doesn't mean that this is a trend that should go on throughout the event. Later on in the event GoldenMerc was revealed to have been asking people for votes in a similar fashion to cassie but was given a significantly lighter punishment - taking 7 days of vip from a prize fund that as a Habbox God would not affect him if he had won. Cutting his votes in half like you did to Cassie would mean he was evicted and I would have stayed. and no, the screenshot wasn't edited, phil was there at the time. Coincidentally, this was the day that Dec has now been revealed to have voted in the event. Individuals involved in hosting the event should remain impartial in all respects and so to allow smods to vote and therefore show that they have clear favourites is a little bit iffy.

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The difference between Cassie and Ross asking for votes was that Cassie asked A LOT more people and had a thread posted in HxL, Ross only asked one. I don't think cutting his votes in half would have been as fair at that stage in the competition. When we cut Cassies in half, we weren't completely throwing her out of the competition, with Ross we would have been.

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Originally Posted by Kyle

I mentioned my thoughts on the voting system in a previous thread so feel like I should reiterate and explain my thinking. During the event, the vote was to SAVE individuals from eviction/execution/whatever you want to call it and I don't think this was a good idea. Voting to GET RID of individuals would have imho been a better way of dealing with things.

As you say, it was a popularity contest. Checks and balances can be put into place to reduce that aspect of the competition as much as possible and vote to kick would have had the benefit of meaning that those begging for votes wouldn't need to, so would instead have to rely on people actually following their activity in the jungle itself, taking votes away from preconceived notions of how a person is and onto judging them based on their more recent actions. Who's going to vote to kick Cassie, for example, when bolt/msaqua (sorry, I have nothing against you, you're just boring to watch for me and I'm not exactly gonna call myself out for being boring..) are not really contributing anything entertaining. The same 5-10 people voted for these two specifically every single week and lets be honest, it's not because they're following their activity, it's because they're "nice". Might have added a new layer of entertainment to it, too, what with individuals having to persuade the audience somebody else deserved to leave more than them.

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Okay I now see your reasoning behind this and I see where you're coming from so I will keep this in mind for the future. I didn't think of it like this and did it solely because the show did it.

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Originally Posted by Kyle

Very interested to see what users that didn't actually follow the event thought of it, and why they didn't follow it. A few people I'd specifically like some thoughts on how successful the event was from are
@Sianness; who told me that "I dont think they put the right people in",
@Yuxin; who said "what? i dont udnerstand
i dont
i dont even
i dont know what
i dont understand the jungle"... or something to that effect
@:odey:;, @TheJokerEffect; and... *takes deep breath* @NoNoNoNoDPWMH; who voted every week but didn't talk about the event.

That's all for now. Probably missed something.

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Just because they weren't talking about it on the forum doesn't mean they weren't following it :P Everyone I put in The Jungle I put in for a reason and I'm happy with who was there.

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Originally Posted by scottish

Even since the events ended, @Liva; has no VIP yet she just won something like 195 days? (isn't she also meant to get jungle VIP for so long? or is it for that 195 days?)

There's no community announcement (only posted in the thread where the final contestants were getting eliminated one by one) or anything else to state the events or, that there's even been a winner or anything?

Considering that forum will soon be removed, there should be at least a CNB regarding it.

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There will be an announcement (hopefully tomorrow). I'm going to be getting interviews from the final three first.

I've done up to Post #26

@Phil; - I figured that Jen would have kept her exemption until it applied, it just occurred to me whilst looking back that it may not have applied if we hadn't lost :P

And I'm quite happy with your response I must say, I just think it's a shame about you pretty much organising this on your own.

I mean, I know how important it is to have support, and I definitely couldn't do the Mole without Char's help, so for you to try and run this mostly on your own is pretty impressive - but sadly, that shows in the quality of the event.

And looking at Samanfa's reply, it seems that AGM at least didn't know the full extent of what was happening, and that there wasn't much contribution from anyone else. And that seems to be a theme that runs through most of Habbox lately, not just the forum, and not just this competition - and it's a shame. Things like this will only be successful if contributions are made and people put the effort in - but you can't do it alone Phil.

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And I didn't mention the forum permissions issue near the start of the competition because it was just a small technical issue and I thought it would just be teething issues (I would have thought that the forums would have been set up before hand and just hidden away).

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Also, I still think it's a shame that we won't get to see who voted for who, since I imagine the only people that would get upset with people are Cassie and Bolt - but they should both be old and mature enough to accept the results.

It also means I don't get a chance to thank the people that voted for me, since I don't particularly have any friends on here (I don't have anyone on Skype, FB, or anything) - so for me to get some votes at least was rather impressive for me.

But at least we get voting numbers I suppose.

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I think there were a total of three maybe four exemptions throughout the competition and I don't think that's too many. I don't tihnk leaving it a few days would have been a very good idea because then the task would still be going on now and would be for another two days.

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Yeah all of which was at the start though, I'm sure it was day after day? then after the camp died down obviously you can't really use exemptions when there's only 5 people left or it'd be a bit silly. No you can run multiple tasks then the eviction after a few days so the participants and audience can see how much each person is participating in the tasks and vote accordingly, rather than more of a popularity content.

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Was supposed to say this in my first reply. I actually had a plan laid out for the two/three days before the camps merged and I had it so if buttons team had won and her exemption was pointless, she would have kept the immunity for the first eviction that otherwise applied to her and as a twist we would have asked her to choose one person from her own team to join LL in the eviction @Kardan; tagging you because you asked this and forgot to answer soz)

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Ah okay so a little bit of planning surfaces..

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I will be releasing the polls but I will not be releasing who voted in each and who they voted for.

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That's a start at least..

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Only one of the tasks was RNG and I agree I should have put a seperate prize. That was a bad call on my behalf but I'll keep that in mind if I ever do something like that again.

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There was like 3 from that I remember. But yeah good.

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Yeah there was little preperation in terms of tasks, I'll happily admit to that but I don't want people to think the idea was just rushed. I spoke about this in my other reply so won't say much here. The thread was out three motnhs ago, there was just very little contribution.

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If there's little contribution then perhaps you should have contracted them directly to get a response and if that failed then contact AGMs or other departments to get their input rather than try to solo it all.

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While the lack of tasks contributed to that, I couldn't do anything about the lack of interaction between campmates. As I said in my last reply, HxBB has four tasks throughout the competition but at the same time, the forums were constantly active with the housemates?

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That's down to picking of the contestants too, like picking foreign people who are say 7 hours difference, is obviously going to be a massive impact on their activity. For that reason imho everyone should have been active at UK times (not specifically UK only people, but if you know they're active at peak UK times then yeah). When tasks were up it was a lot more active, so that would have an impact on the discussion but also the picking of appropriate people were obviously flawed too.

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All the mods had signatures, there were teaser in Spam about 12 hours before to get people talking and there were Forum Notices during the week and of course, the application thread in Habbox Announcements.

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I seen the application thread once in new posts I believe, then I seen none of the others, and I'd consider myself fairly active..

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Both teams received the information in this case.

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As posted above, they did not.

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I assume you mean GoldenMerc here? I had decided that previously going by who people put for "Who you do not want to be in The Jungle with" and who applied.

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Okay, I think there should have been better audience interaction and that picked from there, but fair enough.

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Ugh yeah, that was a complete mess-up. Surprised Aiden didn't mention that one as I said, i'm obviously only in the role like three weeks so still getting used to the permissions and stuff and apologies for that.

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Even so you could have reached out to people who are more experienced with perms/forums and ask them to deal with it, even the likes of mattg you said was at work when you were on, leave a message for him so he can do it (then again this is down to prep, as it lacked that then yeah)

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Originally Posted by Phil

Aside from signatures, there was the teaser posted in spam before applications went open and Forum Notices were posted. What more would you suggest for advertising forum wise?

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A teaser posted in spam says a lot really... Not even worthy of postcount and out of view of nonmembers!
Hype around the event doesn't just include advertisement though and although it is being labelled a "forum event" the other departments could well have done so much more to help out. Take habwrecked 2009 in the hotel for example, it was an event much like this where users were confined to a public space but there were additional rewards available for those not actually involved including team supporter badges (totally could've been a thing!) and furniture prizes, all for attending events tailored to the island theme. Same with habwrecked 2010, although I don't know whether the audience side of that was as successful because I was a contestant and ludus wasn't exactly known for being proactive, more of a rely-on-nonstaff kind of guy. I do know that there was a video comp though for people to compile a video of events that had happened throughout the day and submit it for a badge. These kind of things - expanding the event outside of the "watch and vote" and into the "GET INVOLVED" territory.

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Originally Posted by Phil

I don't think choosing who the camps had on their team was a bad idea at all? That's how they do it on the show and I actually really liked the start of the competition.

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Another instance of you saying "they do it in the show? it works there?" but the show isn't a forum. it's a real life situation where individuals are there right next to eachother so it would be awkward to just sit and say nothing. The fact is that lodge lake wasn't active and plasto plateau was, and that was down to the people in each team. A more even distribution of personality would have been nicer. Even @zebbadi; couldn't stay away from Plasto Plateau... cos there was nothing going on in Lodge Lake.

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Originally Posted by Phil

The difference between Cassie and Ross asking for votes was that Cassie asked A LOT more people and had a thread posted in HxL, Ross only asked one. I don't think cutting his votes in half would have been as fair at that stage in the competition. When we cut Cassies in half, we weren't completely throwing her out of the competition, with Ross we would have been.

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If one individual has been punished for doing something then that punishment should remain a consistent reminder - a deterrent, if you like - for others not to do the same thing. Cassie asked for votes on a wide scale, yes, but it's still asking for votes, and GoldenMerc did it too. Stage of competition does not come into it, don't see why it should matter that he would have lost, he shouldn't have cheated? It's just a case of rulebending to keep people in and tbh neither instance should have been tolerated.

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Originally Posted by Phil

Just because they weren't talking about it on the forum doesn't mean they weren't following it :P Everyone I put in The Jungle I put in for a reason and I'm happy with who was there.

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No use having a forum event if people aren't going to discuss it. The joy of being able to see who has visited threads means it's quite obvious that people aren't following an event and just voting for the sake of saving their pal because they don't show up in the "members who have read this" list, lol.

oh and i'd love to know your reasoning behind putting each member in the jungle. can we collectively interview kiosk keith?

Hello. :D
Oh god, it's gonna be awks when you post the vote numbers. :s


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Originally Posted by Inseriousity.

Well how much exactly did Elliott and Nick get involved? By sounds of things, Phil was practically juggling Ant, Dec and Keith singlehandedly 99% of the time (we know that they must've used it a little if someone accidently voted on Dec). Perhaps pride meant Phil didn't reach out for help or maybe he did, I won't be able to answer that, but either way if it was apparent to everyone outside of the event that someone needed to jump in and provide a bit of assistance - even if it was something simple like chatting with the contestants more - then it could've been recognised by yourself too.

I know that you have a lot of forums so these things can get missed though so I understand the mentions point but a closer eye on things in future should aid the planning process.

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I used ant a fair bit but maybe not as much as I could have. I did an eviction with Phil, and replied to lots of bud telegraphs. I wasn't around enough to get mega involved as I do work full time, but tried my best to get involved when I could.