I don't really think I could go without eating meat..
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I don't really think I could go without eating meat..
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Originally Posted by Jordy
Meh, don't your mates understand the concept of fruit and vegetables? :P
And to lethal: I didn't think I'd give up meat but I just quit cold turkey (boom-boom) overnight and a year later i'm happier/healthier so meh , but each has their own path :P If you want to be veggie- do it, if you don't- don't, simple as ;)
My parents are, but I'm not.
Are you actually healthier, or is it psychological that you think you are healther?
What I find amusing, is when veggies talk as if they have joined the AA and are talking about quitting alcohol, as if eating meat was destroying themselves and their families.
I was vegetarian for 3 and a half years but I gave up as with my stomach ulcer they recommended a high source of protein to kill of this certain type of bacteria (h pylori) So I just gave up for health reasons.
Alas you talk about meat like it can do nothing wrong to you :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by GommeInc
And no, it's not in my mind- I've been healthier ;)
It can't? As long as it is:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzie.
Cooked properly.
Fresh (not gone mouldy etc etc)
Meat is ok and good for you. Let me guess, you're one of these vegetarians who has deluded themselves into thinking meat causes more problems than it solves and that we are not made for it, because to solve the problem of a further argument, we are built to eat meat more than we are to eat greens e.g. digestion and teeth and it carries more nutrients than vegetables, unless you get these genetically modified rubbish, which goes to show that natural food like meat is better than modified, boost, unnatural food like vegatables is not as good.
You speak about vegatables, fruit, pasta etc as if they are the only thing we should eat, and that they are way better than meat. Go read a magazine or website about how much better meat is for us than vegetables, granted that they do comment about mixing the two.
Well, I like chicken on an occasion (especially for Sunday dinner) lol :)
There is so many flawed points in that argument I really can't be bothered to pick it apart as you clearly are bias and wont ever change your view- and before you say- no i'm not bias, I know meat carries nutrients but there's also cons to it too. Same as vegetables, as I've said before I seriously don't give a **** if you want to eat meat or not, but anytime someone states their views you seem to want to attack them, is this possibly a subconscious reaction to your denial?Quote:
Originally Posted by GommeInc
"look on any website or magazine", you do know some of the top health websites/organisations approve of a vegetarian/vegan lifestyle?
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It is the position of The American Dietetic Association (ADA) that appropriately planned vegetarian diets are healthful, are nutritionally adequate, and provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases.
no, sorry - i belive his argument was valid. unless you point out his flaws.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzie.
I think I did? :rolleyes: Also i'd mention that gomme's opinions aren't flawed as they are opinions, but his opinions of vegetarians I find flawed (that made no sense but i'm tired -.-)Quote:
Originally Posted by velocity
Also been looking up some reports about vegetarianism on some websites (no I don't buy into all of the peta stuff- I like to not blindly follow something- which some vegetarians/supporters of meat do)
Seems to show that vegetarianism (well balanced of-course) can improve health because of the low saturated fats, whilst meat gives much nutrients as I've said there are cons such as the saturated fats/too much clogs arteries etc, such as the same as some vegetables that have been sprayed with pestisides etc.
Here's a quote from the american dietry association on their report on vegetarianism=
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Vegetarian diets low in fat or saturated fat have been used successfully as part of comprehensive health programs to reverse severe coronary artery disease (3,4). Vegetarian diets offer disease protection benefits because of their lower saturated fat, cholesterol, and animal protein content and often higher concentration of folate (which reduces serum homocysteine levels) (5), antioxidants such as vitamins C and E, carotenoids, and phytochemicals (6). Not only is mortality from coronary artery disease lower in vegetarians than in nonvegetarians (7), but vegetarian diets have also been successful in arresting coronary artery disease (8,9). Total serum cholesterol and low-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels are usually lower in vegetarians, but high-density lipoprotein cholesterol and triglyceride levels vary depending on the type of vegetarian diet followed (10).Vegetarians tend to have a lower incidence of hypertension than nonvegetarians (11). This effect appears to be independent of both body weight and sodium intake. Type 2 diabetes mellitus is much less likely to be a cause of death in vegetarians than nonvegetarians, perhaps because of their higher intake of complex carbohydrates and lower body mass index (12).Incidence of lung and colorectal cancer is lower in vegetarians than in nonvegetarians (2,13). Reduced colorectal cancer risk is associated with increased consumption of fiber, vegetables, and fruit (14,15). The environment of the colon differs notably in vegetarians compared with nonvegetarians in ways that could favorably affect colon cancer risk (16,17). Lower breast cancer rates have not been observed in Western vegetarians, but cross-cultural data indicate that breast cancer rates are lower in populations that consume plant-based diets (18). The lower estrogen levels in vegetarian women may be protective (19).A well-planned vegetarian diet may be useful in the prevention and treatment of renal disease. Studies using human being and animal models suggest that some plant proteins may increase survival rates and decrease proteinuria, glomerular filtration rate, renal blood flow, and histologic renal damage compared with a nonvegetarian diet (20,21).
So do you? So why can't I? And you can't name any flaws because you simply don't know any and you are pretty much hypocritcal in your argument, saying I am biased when you are very biased in your attitude towards meat. I eat meat and vegetables, fruit and so forth, and I know what both are like, why youa re just taking it from pure hate towards meat eating and websites and articles, which aren't 100% correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzie.
Vegetables and fruit contain alot of products that are not as digested as meat in the human body. FACT. Most parts of meat are nutrients and therefore used by the body. FACT. You need to consume more vegetables to reach the same level as nutrients as meat, therefore you either eat more making yourself larger and produce alot more waste or eat a regular amount and take in half the nutrients. FACT.
Your article is aload of hoo-har which you quoted from the internet. As I stated, meat isn't fatty unless you cover it in fat "/ I agree that living off an all meat diet is a bit strange and not healthy, but living off a diet of meat, vegetables and fruit is, and living off a diet of just vegetables and fruit isn't as healthy as a diet with meat, because you don't have as much nutrients as meat.
You seem to be in denial you vegetarian biased fool. Wake up and smell the bacon. Meat can be eaten by humans and IS good for you. There are pros and cons in everything, even vegetarianism. Low immune is one of them and stomach problems, like someone in the thread has said.
I used to eat meat, I have nothing against it- my familly eat meat= flawed argument there.Quote:
Originally Posted by GommeInc
Websites and articles which aren't 100% correct? You're saying that the leading health association in America is wrong?
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That makes no sense. FACTQuote:
Vegetables and fruit contain alot of products that are not as digested as meat in the human body. FACT.
Do you eat your meat raw? It loses alot of it's nutrients when it's cooked- FLAWEDQuote:
Most parts of meat are nutrients and therefore used by the body. FACT.
That is so flawed. In vegetables there isn't saturated fats or cholesterol (or barely any), secondly can I ask why obescity is a-lot lower in vegetarians than meat eaters?Quote:
You need to consume more vegetables to reach the same level as nutrients as meat, therefore you either eat more making yourself larger and produce alot more waste or eat a regular amount and take in half the nutrients. FACT.
Your argument is opinion and alas is bias, yet I seem to re-call you calling me bias? :rolleyes::rolleyes: Flawed.
Completely disregarded this part as you called the leading health association "hoo-har" =lol.:rolleyes:Quote:
Your article is aload of hoo-har which you quoted from the internet. As I stated, meat isn't fatty unless you cover it in fat "/ I agree that living off an all meat diet is a bit strange and not healthy, but living off a diet of meat, vegetables and fruit is, and living off a diet of just vegetables and fruit isn't as healthy as a diet with meat, because you don't have as much nutrients as meat.
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Low immunity? It's recommended to eat lots of fruit and vegetables to stay healthy and keep your immunity in check..:rolleyes:Quote:
You seem to be in denial you vegetarian biased fool. Wake up and smell the bacon. Meat can be eaten by humans and IS good for you. There are pros and cons in everything, even vegetarianism. Low immune is one of them and stomach problems, like someone in the thread has said.
Meat can be eaten indeed, but I see it as a survival mechanism from when vegetation was scarce- do you know how long it takes to digest meat?
Stomach problems? Food that is EASIER to digest gives stomach problems? *looks at my stomach* hmm..
And to think, a nice slab of meat that takes longer to digest- clogs up your colon and arteries is sure yum right?
Also thanks for calling me a "fool", I also liked your pun "wake up and smell the bacon", petty insults and puns wont win an argument me dear.
It's American? Besides, there are hundreds of websites saying eating meat and vegetables is healthier than just meat alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzie.
You obviously can't read. FACT :P.There are alot of waste materials in vegetables, which are just ejected from the body and not used. There is a smaller amount of nutrients in vegetables than there are in meat as a whole, therefore, more for your body to take in and less to throw out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzie
What you said has nothing to do with my argument. Also, you can eat beef raw, chicken slightly raw and pork slightly raw. My argument is that meat as a whole has more nutrients in, not that cooking meat holds the same/more nutrients. Also, vegetables lose nutrients when cooked, but more people don't mind eating vegetables raw than they would some meat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzie
I never said anything about the cooking habits of the 21st Century? Meat doesn't carry alot of fat when cooked in the right oils. So again, your criticism doesn't go with my argument? Meat carries more nutrients than vegetables when cooked properly, as in, little oil (like a tea spoon of olive oil). You can cook it in pretty much anything. Also, I think people would agree that they prefer flavour over health, especially when it is trivial amounts of fat which can keep you going. What's wrong with fat anyway? You do realise you need a bit of fat in with your diet?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzie
Secondly, loads of people seem to have a habit of soaking meat in litres of oil, thinking it is nicer. I prefer small amounts so that the flavour is a bit natural, and it is a bit healthier too.
So are you? Saying you are healthier without meat and so on. I am working off fact and personal opinion, and what people prefer, flavour etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzie
I think we should agree on one thing, that the whole vegetarians vs. meat and vegetable eaters argument is an argument which goes in one big circle, with no real answer.
Because they arguing about fat in meat, which is aload of rubbish. They are arguing about how the meat is cooked, not the meat itself "/Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzie
So why do vegetarians get sick so easily? Looking at my friends, and a few other I know, they get sick extremely easily, while my friends who eat meat, don't get as sick as easily. My friend who uses this forum, Mentor, barely eats any vegetables and I don't even think he eats fruit, he is still alive and barely gets sick?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzie
Longer, because the body uses more of the nutrients from it. Vegetables digest quicker, because only a small amount is used by the body. Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzie
It's easy to digest, because it goes straight through you :rolleyes: And the stomach problems could be caused by the lack of digestion or the lack of healthy nutrients which you seem to believe and dis-believe to exist in meat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzie
As stated, it only takes longer to digest because your body uses more of it, if your body doesn't use most of it, then what is your feeble excuse for meat not taking long to digest? And you are over-exaggerating alot... I think you're missing the points I have said, it is what you have cooked the meat in, which causes the problems. Meat contains very little, and that small amount of fat isn't bad for you either, because fat is something your body needs "/Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzie
Neither does your lack of knowledge on the bodies digestion, m'dear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzie
So you're being racist now? Charming.Quote:
Originally Posted by GommeInc
Ahh Yeap, all the vitamins and minerals just get ejected along with the food used? Where the hell do you get this stuff :SQuote:
You obviously can't read. FACT :P.There are alot of waste materials in vegetables, which are just ejected from the body and not used. There is a smaller amount of nutrients in vegetables than there are in meat as a whole, therefore, more for your body to take in and less to throw out.
Steamed vegetables/raw vegetables= even more nutrients=yup.Quote:
What you said has nothing to do with my argument. Also, you can eat beef raw, chicken slightly raw and pork slightly raw. My argument is that meat as a whole has more nutrients in, not that cooking meat holds the same/more nutrients. Also, vegetables lose nutrients when cooked, but more people don't mind eating vegetables raw than they would some meat.
Eating meat raw can actually make you ill, depending on a few factors.
Taste over health? You see this is where i've lost any respect for you, what if chemical waste "tasted nice" would you drink that too?Quote:
I never said anything about the cooking habits of the 21st Century? Meat doesn't carry alot of fat when cooked in the right oils. So again, your criticism doesn't go with my argument? Meat carries more nutrients than vegetables when cooked properly, as in, little oil (like a tea spoon of olive oil). You can cook it in pretty much anything. Also, I think people would agree that they prefer flavour over health, especially when it is trivial amounts of fat which can keep you going. What's wrong with fat anyway? You do realise you need a bit of fat in with your diet?
The right type of fats are good, last I heard saturated fats weren't...
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Secondly, loads of people seem to have a habit of soaking meat in litres of oil, thinking it is nicer. I prefer small amounts so that the flavour is a bit natural, and it is a bit healthier too.
I am healthier not eating meat? It's a fact :OQuote:
So are you? Saying you are healthier without meat and so on. I am working off fact and personal opinion, and what people prefer, flavour etc.
What i've said from the start... I don't exactly care if you eat meat or not, it's just when you start attacking MY opinions on life that I defend myself.Quote:
I think we should agree on one thing, that the whole vegetarians vs. meat and vegetable eaters argument is an argument which goes in one big circle, with no real answer.
Mentor is like 17 or 18? Just because he's "not getting sick now" doesn't mean a lack of vegetables and fruit could prove difficulties in later life.Quote:
Because they arguing about fat in meat, which is aload of rubbish. They are arguing about how the meat is cooked, not the meat itself "/
So why do vegetarians get sick so easily? Looking at my friends, and a few other I know, they get sick extremely easily, while my friends who eat meat, don't get as sick as easily. My friend who uses this forum, Mentor, barely eats any vegetables and I don't even think he eats fruit, he is still alive and barely gets sick?
"why do vegetarians get sick so easily"- this is personal opinion, or the person who is claiming to be a vegetarian isn't eating a healthy balanced diet.
No, you're wrong there: vegetables can be broken down quickly whereas meat which is incredibly dense (not nutrients dense before you play that card) takes ages to be broken down by the acids in your stomach.Quote:
Longer, because the body uses more of the nutrients from it. Vegetables digest quicker, because only a small amount is used by the body. Why?
read above /\Quote:
It's easy to digest, because it goes straight through you :rolleyes: And the stomach problems could be caused by the lack of digestion or the lack of healthy nutrients which you seem to believe and dis-believe to exist in meat.
You've repeated yourself about three times now. Read above answers..Quote:
As stated, it only takes longer to digest because your body uses more of it, if your body doesn't use most of it, then what is your feeble excuse for meat not taking long to digest? And you are over-exaggerating alot... I think you're missing the points I have said, it is what you have cooked the meat in, which causes the problems. Meat contains very little, and that small amount of fat isn't bad for you either, because fat is something your body needs "/
Yet you seem to not even understand the simple explanation of denseness=more time to be broken down concept..Quote:
Neither does your lack of knowledge on the bodies digestion, m'dear.
Tut tut.
It seems you're not actually arguing with me to accept any thing i've said , your whole underlying principle is "lol meat is bad cos my friends said so!!!"
Whereas I've given solid evidence that leading a vegetarian diet is healthy (read the link I provided from an actual health association)
I see no reason to keep wasting my "energy" (because I don't get enough nutrients- guffaw) on a pointless argument where you're seeming to spout personal opinions instead of providing actual factual evidence. Peace out m'dear. ;)
Who says I was? You could look into more. There are loads of American based dietary websites, most of which are based around aload of hoo-har about fats when meat itself doesn't carry alot, as I keep stating, the fats in meat are good for you. Saturated fats are in the oil, the meat however, has a type of fat which your body uses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzie.
Now this is where you make up crap based on no scientific theory or knowledge. Take celery for example, the string bits are not used and are bad to digest. Take sweetcorn, the skin is hard to digest and what's inside is very minuscule, even in a pan full "/Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzie.
It depends on the sort of person you are. Obviously not everyones body is built the same so someone can eat raw(er) meat than another person.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzie.
You have a boring life... Would you eat dirt if it was good for you? ;) Meat doesn't hold alot of saturated fats, is this one of your made up stories in la-la land? The fats in meat are used in the body for the good reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzie
And my cousin who doesn't eat meat is extremely unhealthy and moans about her weight. She doesn't each chocolate but she eats alot of fruit and veg. :o Fact! Vegetables make people mentally depressed and large.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzie.
I dislike the fact that your ideas are strongly opinionated and don't stand on strong foundations that are based on scientific theories, knowledge and experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzie.
So you don't believe in obese children then? And 17-18 years is quite good, all that FAT and lack of nutrients... Sarcasm there ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzie.
Perhaps it is your personal opinion that my facts are personal opinions, because you have nothing solid to defend yourself with? And what is a balanced diet? You seem to think raw/steamed fruit and veg is a diet at the moment. A balanced diet is fruit, veg and meat, because you get good nutrients from all of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzie.
Now you're going against physics aswell as biology! Parts of a vegetable cannot be broken down and come out nearly whole e.g. sweetcorn, celery string etc. You are also making up stuff again, not all meat is dense. Chicken is extremely nutritious and healthy and is broken down reasonably fast. Beef on the other hand takes a while to break down because it is a tough meat, thus dense ;) BUT, the meat is nutritious depending on what sort of cut it is. Braised steak contains 1g of saturated fat in a 3oz steak which is 7% of the recommended intake, not alot is it and in fact, it is good by a well known dietary plan called Weight Watchers "/ Also take into account that it holds 24% of your recommended cholesterol. So are you suggest meat eaters guzzle down tons of the stuff? Why make up such rubbish?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzie.
A 3oz braise steak also holds 36% of selenium which is good for you might I add:
"This nutrient is an important part of antioxidant enzymes that protect cells against the effects of free radicals that are produced during normal oxygen metabolism. The body has developed defenses such as antioxidants to control levels of free radicals because they can damage cells and contribute to the development of some chronic diseases. Selenium is also essential for normal functioning of the immune system and thyroid gland."
I make up rubbish do I? Seems not "/ Notice immune system. 36% to help protect you? Not bad...
Oh look, 26% of Niacin:
"Niacin, also known as nicotinic acid or vitamin B3, is a water-soluble vitamin whose derivatives such as NADH, NAD, NAD+, and NADP play essential roles in energy metabolism in the living cell and DNA repair."
Wow, that stuff seems unhealthy doesn't it?
Oh, and 14% of Iron, now that is also good for red blood cells and also 14% of riboflavin, which is pretty much the same as Niacin. The only slight bad thing is the 14% of phosphates which are used in process foods, but this is very low in organic beef.
32% of Zinc, now that's good for healthy muscle tissue and can slow down the chances of getting flu "/
You would have to eat an equivalent of 6 bags of peanuts before reaching the amount in meat.
Seems like I have won that pathetic argument that beef is bad for you. Dense, yes. Unhealthy, no.
You can't understand fact, read above. Don't bother saying "But too much of this is bad for you" because 3oz of braised steak is alot and the % is recommended intake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzie
This goes regardless to my claim that meat is healthier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzie
My friends think meat is bad? Also, I would rather be right than go with your deluded theory that meat is bad. Beef is said to be the unhealthiest meat, yet it has alot of immune boosting nutrients inside plus more "/Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzie.
And I am using solid proof from Wikipedia and health experts such as weight watchers to go against your pathetic attempts to say meat is bad for you "/Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzie.
Tata my deluded vegetarian friend who has deluded himself into thinking vegetables are better than meat adn believe that fats exist in meat when I pretty much destroyed that theory with proof that cooked braised steak is incredibly healthy and doesn't have "artery clogging" substances in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzie.
Good bye now, your lack of energy from your vegetables seems to make you tired. Thankfully I had a yummy, energy boosting pasta and beef bolognaise for dinner, and I have much energy in me!
Fact: The human body needs the protein and fats obtained in meat. Depriving your body off these essential things cannot in any way be healthy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzie.
Ah man.. *recovers from rolling on the floor laughing* Thanks for giving me a laugh gomme. Too tired to give a quote to quote answer but I'll give you some "facts" about me eating vegetables: I have chronic fatigue syndrome/m.e= ate meat for 2 years of it and felt very bad, although cfs/m.e goes up and down once I started eating vegetables my m.e improved (I've gone back to guitar lessons/can concentrate better doing work etc) and i've been healthier immunity wise- only had one flu in a year.
Can I ask what you think of the enviromental aspects of eating meat also?
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My friends think meat is bad? Also, I would rather be right than go with your deluded theory that meat is bad. Beef is said to be the unhealthiest meat, yet it has alot of immune boosting nutrients inside plus more "/
Oh and here you take my words out of context:
I don't believe meat is bad except if taking in excess which is what alot of the western countries are doing- something like 2/3x the amount recommended=thus obescity/heart problems etc.
Plus the whole factory farming: where pigs are sometimes fed their own species either through canabilism or it being mixed with-in their foods which can spread disease such as mad cow/bird flu/e-coli etc.
I respect your opinions to eat meat (obviously you have no respect for others): I just think the world would be alot better if we didn't eat meat OR didn't eat it at the amount we do now- it'd reduce water pollution from the livestock/global warming from the pollution from mainly sheep/cows, obescity, e-coli, clogged colon, etc etc.
Also you keep contradicting yourself: you keep saying that vegetarians are sickly and weak, then you go on to say that they get fat easier... ^_^
Anyway, I was going to reply but your replies were so funny I thought I should commend you on giving me a laugh.
You do know you can just get as many proteins from vegetables right? Also vegetables are lower in saturated fats (way lower) and high in fiber aswell as vitamins, hmmm ..Quote:
Originally Posted by Cola
Oh and one last note:
This woman must be very ill and sickly being a vegetarian... right?
http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/-china...26/1610597.htm
(also in the guinness world records)
You see that's not hear say/not opinion it's fact.
Since I stopped being vegetarian Ive lost 1 stone (when I was vegetarian I was a stone overweight) So now im back to my average weight. If you think about it meat eaters get all the protein from vegetables ect. aswell as from meat therefore they can be healthier. But really it depends what you eat as some vegetarians may eat lots of fried vegetables where as a meat eater might eat lots of lean meat ect. or a vegetarian eats healthy and a meat eater eats lots of fried meats. As when I stopped being vegetarian I eat all the same foods as I did as a vegetarian and just added meat. so im getting protien from both therefore Im healthy than I was before.
Scientists have proven that the humans species needs a balanced diet. Sugars, fibre, carbs, fats. All useful. All needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzie.
Pork Loin Chop: 25g of protein
5 cans of baked beans: 25g of protein
(Approx)
All obtainable in a vegetarian diet- the only thing that is slightly harder to get is b12- but the body barely needs it anyway as the more b12 you take in the less you use.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cola
Because obviously all vegetarians eat is beans...right?Quote:
Pork Loin Chop: 25g of protein
5 cans of baked beans: 25g of protein
(Approx)
But obviously all us people eat is pork chop. It works both ways. I never said all vegetarians eat is beans. I just used beans as a simple example.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzie.
Yet you're the one who gave the pork=bean example? :eusa_wall:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cola
Pork is a hell of a lot more complex compared to beans.. :S
Hey, in all fairness (and I was gonna put this in my last post but ran out of editing time. Doh.) soya beans have 17g of protein and 3 ounces of extra-lean roasted ham has the same. I would also have to eat 6 slices of bacon for the amount of protein in those soya beans. (I'd still choose the bacon though, lol.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzie.
Valid point, but you've got to take in the bulk size and weight also, normally with soy beans you'd mix in with many other vegetables too= thus balancing out the portion size.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cola
What confuses me is Gomme said vegetarians get fat.. Vegetables have barely any calories hence even if I did eat more to balance out the proportions I'd still be consuming less calories; in all honesty I've been loosing weight since being vegetarian (and in a balanced slow process, not like loosing a stone in a week)
I think the main ideal here is both paths are healthy if well balanced and you take in all aspects of the food groups, some could argue that it is unethical to consume the flesh of animals when we can live fine without it, others could argue that (in a religous aspect) that God placed animals here to feast on and other such things, it's going around in circles to be honest.
The main thing that gets me angry is about all the factory farms- especially veal cows, they just get put in a box till slaughter so the meat is "tastier", those type of things really irritate me.. but alas.
Apparently, celery has so little calories that your body actually uses more calories digesting it that you obtain from eating it. Just a bit of random info there. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzie.
Yeah it's mad :PDidn't know it used calories more than it took in heh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cola
Saw on a program that people suffering from obesity are being given vegetarian diets because of the low calorie/high nutrients aspect of it, but for people who eat a lot of meat I guess It'd be very hard to stick too.
I could live with a vegetarian diet. Potatoes are vegetables right? Roasted, mashed, boiled. Yum yum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzie.
Indeed they are, and living as a vegetarian is **** easy to be honest, same meals just without the meat and a lil more veg *shrug*Quote:
Originally Posted by Cola
Mash em boil em stick em in a stew... :O
meats the nicest type of food in the world
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Originally Posted by -=Jack.B=-
I'd have to disagree= pizza= heaven :D
Ive been vegetarian for over 10 years, I cant even remember what meat tastes like. There is a hell of alot less fat genrally in vegetables than meat so we are genrally lighter. If your really like the taste of meat that much you could eat quorn I hate the stuff but it tastes like meat but its much healthier.
Yeah- quorn has the texture of meat, I had it once and thought i was eating real chicken but *shrugs*Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozzie
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Originally Posted by glitterbomb
Since Birth =) so 18
Tis great being veggie. get great college nicknames like veg.
Evil Mars stealing my choclate!
No stealing MY chocolate! :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Lycan
R.I.P Maltesers and Galaxy :|
wait wait wait, YOUR? choclate.
PFft
I get to loose Marsbars, Twix, Revels, Planets (which i just started to love)
And you decide to tell me now about your illness after our argument? I think you're the fool who should be considered the laughing stock. My argument is against vegetarians who do not have any problems with them other than the delusion of thinking meat is bad for them and it is very VERY unhealthy. Also, loads of people don't catch flu for your information, it is why getting the fly vaccination is very pointless among the majority of people. The only people who need it are people with low immune e.g. me and the elderly "/ Another fact, you over-read. This maybe mean, but I think you using your illness in an argument is just an attempt for a sympathy and has made you deluded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzie.
That is barely touches the environment? Eating beef = less cows = less CO2. Eating vegetables = more CO2 = environment issues are the only factors I can think of. Also, the argument is about vegetarianism, not with environmentalism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzie.
You do the same for my words too "/ Besides, 2/3x the recommended amount must be over-exaggerated, as that would be about 90z of beef in comparison, which is a hell of alot "/ The argument you are having is again, which I keep blooming mentioning and you keep over-looking, is what you cook the meat in. Jesus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzie.
They haven't done this in years, it got banned I think 3 years ago and is illegal I believe. Besides, if this is true, there would only be a very small amount of it in meat products, because of this ruling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzie.
EDIT: Why are you pointing out American facts when you and I are British? Keep to your own nation, because I could argue about vegetables and fruit made in other countries which could be worse "/
Like insects traveling in bananas from Africa wiping out other insects like bees etc.
I don't have respect for people who think eating meast is bad/unhealthy like you. Because you are the minority with your illness meaning the remainder of vegetarians are either deluded or simply don't like meat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzie.
My cousin is a vegetarian, and I respect her because she has admitted she doesn't like meat and it makers her ill. Granted vegetables are making her look a bit chubby, but I think she has always been like that.
Here is a phrase for you to learn for homework:
"Don't make up crap."
Because you seem to do this alot, and when I prove you wrong (which I have), you later note that you have a reason to eat more (a good one, which I might add).
Why would it be a better place? You do realise cows pump out alot of CO2? Again, you make up rubbish "/ And you clogged colon rubbish, is rubbish yet again as I proved with my beef example (which is/was the "unhealthy" meat) that it has very little fat in which can do the body harm and again, I repeat, your argument revolves around what the meat is cooked in, not what the meat has in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzie.
Pick out the contradiction please? You can be:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzie.
Fat and weak. Weak and sickly. Fat and healthy (as in, don't get ill). Healthy and weak etc etc.
Laughing, the first sign of someone losing an argument. I bet you weren't actually laughing, being on this forum for this amount of time, I have come to know that loads of people use the excuse of laughing, to cover up posting replies to arguments, because they simply cannot find a problem with them and therefore over look them, like you have done so much in this argument, and I don't find it funny "/ I find it quite sad "/Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzie.
Urrrgh, you are very annoying to argue with, because you don't listen/read or remember anything in the argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzie.
Actually, you can't unless you eat a specific type of vegetable which has high protein. Other vegetables/fruit you have to guzzle down to get the same amounts.
Also, saturated fats aren't a problem in meat, as I used in the example, the recommended amount of saturated fats is about 20g, and in meat, you get about 1 or 2g maximum, in about 2ozs. "Don't make up crap."
Also, as I was going to state, but got lost in your stupid saturated fat argument, you seem to think if you eat meat, you only eat meat. Loads of people eat a variety of meat, vegetables and fruit. Does bread ring a bell? How about wholemeal? That has alot of fibre in and loads of people eat it, strangely enough people who eat meat too. "/
Wow, you actually post something which is actually worth something!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzie.
But alas, you post information which is outside of this country, again "/ In china, they have different eating habits and way of life than here in Britain. So your "proof" isn't exactly a solid ground to claim knowledge on, because you are discussing around the grounds of another culture different to our own "/
Here are 2 ladies, Charlotte Hughes and Jessie Nicholls, they lived over 100 in the UK, and they apparently had a varied diet, of which included meat "/
At least my knowledge, facts and proof revolve around our culture :rolleyes:
Re-read what you wrote. You can't remember what meat tastes like yet you suggest quorn because it tastes like meat?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozzie
Also, it doesn't. It is tasteless, crunchy and gave me violent stomach pains. Why eat genetically modified fungus?
na am not a vegetarian
Gomme , I really can't be bothered to waste energy on you for a long reply, because you'll say the same thing over again just arranged differently >_>
But anyway:
I didn't see the need to mention I was ill before? But you was insinuating that a vegetarian diet was unhealthy- it's proved the complete opposite for me thankyou very much.
"Urrrgh, you are very annoying to argue with, because you don't listen/read or remember anything in the argument."
Actually I read your views and some I have agreed with, I think the above could be said for you- I give you sufficicient evidence but you've given pathetic arguments such as "well they're from another country LOL so this is invalid", you seem to be showing slight racism..
You do know that the actual meat can harm you right? You keep revolving around what the meat is cooked in- yes that does have negatives, but it was the actual MEAT i was talking about.
You also keep saying that because cows are polluting that's why we eat them, exscuse me.. are you that thick? Factory farms keep processing animals every year for food- thus they give out tons of c02/methane/waste, if we had an average cow population that wasn't being overprocessed then they'd be giving off a hell of alot less..
You do know that the pollution caused by cows and sheep are greater than car/lorry pollution combined? It was in a report by the UN.
Here is a phrase for you to learn for homework:
"Don't make up crap."
"Because you seem to do this alot, and when I prove you wrong (which I have), you later note that you have a reason to eat more (a good one, which I might add)."
I don't think you've proven me wrong yet.. it's just self opinionated, none is actual facts, I've given you a few links, shown you reports to disprove that vegetarianism is unhealthy, given you a link to a 120 year old woman who lived on a vegetarian diet (yes she comes from another country- but still lives a vegetarian lifestyle- FROM BIRTH which I may add)
I also as I've said above, saw no reason to say about my illness, I don't exactly like spouting off, in itself is considerable evidence that eating vegetables has made me feel healthier- which it has.
I see you've missed my part when I said I didn't want to have a pointless conversation anymore?
You're basing most of your argument on self-made "facts" *cough* and self-opinions, a vegetarian lifestyle IS healthy, and CAN give health benefits.
End of.
Because you fail to get it into your skull :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzie.
Maybe because your illness requires you to not eat meat and that you have probably adapted to eat non-meat products. Besides, we could get into the stats with your body weight, age etc.Quote:
I didn't see the need to mention I was ill before? But you was insinuating that a vegetarian diet was unhealthy- it's proved the complete opposite for me thankyou very much.
Your "sufficient evidence" is from another country. IF it was in this country, maybe I would bother reading it. Different countries report different statistics.Quote:
"Urrrgh, you are very annoying to argue with, because you don't listen/read or remember anything in the argument."
Actually I read your views and some I have agreed with, I think the above could be said for you- I give you sufficicient evidence but you've given pathetic arguments such as "well they're from another country LOL so this is invalid", you seem to be showing slight racism..
Also, race isn't vegetarianism. Stay with the argument.
It can't be, because you are saying it is full of fat, when in reality it isn't. And how can it harm you? Again, you never mention with fact or anything in this case "/Quote:
You do know that the actual meat can harm you right? You keep revolving around what the meat is cooked in- yes that does have negatives, but it was the actual MEAT i was talking about.
How do you know it is over processed? The meat that isn't eaten by humans is donated to Zoos and Bird/Owl Sanctuaries FACT, because my brother has worked for the nearby Zoo and Owl Sanctuary which gets meat:Quote:
You also keep saying that because cows are polluting that's why we eat them, exscuse me.. are you that thick? Factory farms keep processing animals every year for food- thus they give out tons of c02/methane/waste, if we had an average cow population that wasn't being overprocessed then they'd be giving off a hell of alot less..
Stanway Sainsbury's.
Marks Tey The Food Company.
Colchester Sainbury's.
Tiptree Co op
And hundreds of shops in Colchester.
Stonham Owl Sanctuary gets meat from local farms who give them chicks, mice, rats pheasant etc etc. And guess what, I am getting these facts from the UNITED KINGDOM, not from CHINA or the US.
You are probably revolving your argument around the US again for your idea of over-processed meat. Let them deal with their problems, while we deal with ours and our over-processed meat is alot less than over their in the US, and we deal with over-processed meat alot easier.
Way to point out the obvious. And again, you are getting stats that do not 100% revolve around the UK.Quote:
You do know that the pollution caused by cows and sheep are greater than car/lorry pollution combined? It was in a report by the UN.
I have proved you wrong with:Quote:
Here is a phrase for you to learn for homework:
"Don't make up crap."
"Because you seem to do this alot, and when I prove you wrong (which I have), you later note that you have a reason to eat more (a good one, which I might add)."
I don't think you've proven me wrong yet.. it's just self opinionated, none is actual facts, I've given you a few links, shown you reports to disprove that vegetarianism is unhealthy, given you a link to a 120 year old woman who lived on a vegetarian diet (yes she comes from another country- but still lives a vegetarian lifestyle- FROM BIRTH which I may add)
Meat being unhealthy - Your argument is with the eating habits of people, not the meat itself. You seem to hink large amounts of cooking oil is found in meat, when it is actually found in bottles for around a pound in Tescos.
My arguments are not self-opinionated, fool. I get my facts from websites and books that are UK based. Your evidence comes from other countries, where eating habits are different and in some way people way of digesting food and habits around and out of eating are different in other countries.
So? You are a bit different to any other vegetarian. You can't eat meat, which I understand and it has made you healthy. BUT that doesn't mean the same for other vegetarians.Quote:
I also as I've said above, saw no reason to say about my illness, I don't exactly like spouting off, in itself is considerable evidence that eating vegetables has made me feel healthier- which it has.
Most of my argument is on real facts and only a minor part of it is opinion. Stop trying to think you are winning by mentally deluding yourself into actually believing I am making it up.Quote:
You're basing most of your argument on self-made "facts" *cough* and self-opinions, a vegetarian lifestyle IS healthy, and CAN give health benefits.
And what I find extremely annoying is that you miss out most of my points because you are too "chicken" to even bother finding answer, because you simply can't. You have not once posted proper facts that are linked to the UK. Your proof comes from other countries which are different and VERY different in most cases, but because it is the only way you can fight back, you actually think it reflects the lifestyles of the UK.
Arguing with you is pointless, because you're too stubborn to believe the proper facts. Beef has little fats in, but you think it doesn't. You think vegetables digest quicker than meat, but it doesn't. We're more meant to eat meat, because our digestive tracks and even our teeth suggest that we do. It takes longer for celery to get digest and you can even look for further proof with something like eating grass, which can kill you, because it is extremely hard to digest.