Elka just posted an announcement but moved it quickly, hmm.
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Elka just posted an announcement but moved it quickly, hmm.
Yeah. In all fairness, I hadn't seen the rule until now because I didn't even look last night.
Ok, that's cool. I think that should be made more clearer in the rules then maybe?
Isn't that rule in the rules section? I swear I've seen it before...
B13. Do not make off topic posts - Off topic and random posts are not allowed. Your post must be related to a post made earlier in the thread or about the thread itself.
Seems clear enough.
I must've missed it, but I have read the rules like... 50 times over!
Well, I've apologised now and the point is made.
Not very clear really, it goes on a bit and sorta contradicts itself.
Yeah.
Well, at least now I have seen the thread and can apply it in my moderating. :P
Moderators can interpret posts wrongly, but I think it's there job to assess what they think is acceptable and whats not, and most of the time I think that their edits are justified ;)
No one is perfect
Well at the risk of sounding like a broken down record again in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by GommeInc
That rule was clarified in late 2006.
The rule was meant to provide a relaxing of off-topic to allow a thread to naturally progress and evolve as a discussion. Something I know you are in favour of. Sierk, the GM along with a lot of the staff felt it was too strict before. The main criteria though was that a post should positively and constructively contribute to the thread so a chit chat in the middle of it (such as is allowed in the spam forum) is still not allowed and in my view shouldn't be as it destroys the purpose of the thread. That's my memory of the explanation of this rule and I agree that it could be amended to make it clearer. :)
what was with that announcement a while ago lol. it as confusing to read and gone now hasnt it? someone said it ahs anyway.
http://www.habboxforum.com/showpost....61&postcount=7
why was that edited by someone else aswell as minty? lol
huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by kk.
Minty is Thaddeus.
I guess he accidently put his old name in the edit. :P
The forum moderators are doing their job. They don't want people to start abusing people even if it is a little bit, because if this happened to anyone, most probabally, the forum would not have many users.
have you read the whole thread?
it's not abusing them it's pointing out that they are implementing certain rules incorrectly.
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Originally Posted by MrIntelligent
yeh but you dont put your name in manually do you? it just puts it in :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Enrique
maybe its an error on the forum if he had a name change?
No, you have to type your name.Quote:
Originally Posted by kk.
Edit: Oh i see, he TYPED his name thus it wouldnt "get updated". Where as the Edit note when editing any post auto updates as its using varibles.
" Last edited by $username : 30-03-2008 at 10:16 PM."
oh right, why type your name when it does it autopmatically, and does it only give the option to moderators because i dont have it :P
Have what?Quote:
Originally Posted by kk.
the "edited by hollywood (forum moderator) reason" is manually inputted everytime. ;]
The onlything vB does is the
" Last edited by Thaddeus : 30-03-2008 at 10:16 PM."
Which will auto update when ever a post gets edited by anyone unless its turned off.
you styarted off by saying you type your name. I know it automatically puts your name in but you said that which confused me lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Hollywood
so who's thaddeus?
all i wanted to know was why it said thaddeus when he hasnt edited the post in anyway?
he's minty.
minty edited the post with the username minty - after minty got a name change to thaddeus, so the ''last edited'' automatically changed to thaddeus but the actually post edit didn't because that is manually changed.Quote:
Originally Posted by kk.
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Originally Posted by kk.
Thats what i was trying to explain, just didnt seem to be working! :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Sam
Apprantly Minty was hacked by the same guy who hacked my msn and he said he infracted about 10 people or someinth on Minty's account? lol
If he was then he'll be banned..Quote:
Originally Posted by e5back2k7
http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=43717
Maybe he doesn't know yet? :S I'm just passing on what was said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hollywood
His msn was, I believe.
But it doesn't link to habbox or habbo, I think.
I can definitely confirm that this is not true.Quote:
Originally Posted by e5back2k7
All infractions and warnings are checked by the Super Moderators and if a hacker did get onto a Moderator account and subtly started impersonating Staff by issuing infractions, the issue would be highlighted immediately.
Also, in the time it would take Thaddeus to realise he had been hacked (which he hasn't) the hacker wouldn't have had enough time to read the Moderator Guide and start genuinely moderating effectively. Even trialists who are trying their best to stick the guide as effectively as they possibly can make a few mistakes so a totally new person getting onto a Moderator account is likely to start making mistakes left, right and centre. :P
LOOOL :redface_bQuote:
Originally Posted by Hollywood
my bad. i didnt realise what you were saying lol
and nick, its pretty obvious how to moderate :P. Expecially if you have done it before :)
I am sort of offended from that comment about me not lasting as a mod. There is no evidence of that being anywhere near true, besides, I wouldn't want to be a slave for people who can't operate a normal community. There are no real mistakes in moderating, you have two decisions to decide from every time you read a post. NO one ever said moderating was easy, if you make a mistake you should know what or who you have to deal with. You are dealing with people your age, maybe younger or older.Quote:
Originally Posted by mynameisCALLUM
Even though mods admitted they made mistakes, what is really the benefit out of that? They will probably make the same mistake again, again, again and again until they end up fired. If I were you, I'd fix that grey area since you seem to be defending mod's mistakes.
I respect you Alex in a sense that you are a good guy but sometimes you dance on my last nerve when you post because you are always trying to find a backdoor to every problem. Why not go forward to find a method to fix this instead of always looking the other way. Admitting to your mistakes is like being given another chance, maybe too many chances most of the time. Moderators a human, we get that...but that isn't the point. If the users want a community that works with proper rules, then they should get it. They should not have to deal with moderators, with smods, with staff but they should have to deal with management because those are the people who will make changes. Why not all the mods bug out of feedback threads so that management can deal with these more closely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Professor-Alex
I don't know why or how but what was with the change of heart? Now you are favoring mods for their mistakes vs them making you look like a complete idiot to the community.Quote:
Originally Posted by mynameisCALLUM
"The village just called, they want their idiot back"
Every forum has a negative person not naturally negative but someone who doesn't exactly appreciate all the moronic responses that favor the wrong side.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thetan
They do things in a sense that it doesn't flow with the forum, all of this red text and infractions, it is all just a game to them. They try to be on top of the game on a daily basis. At the end of the day, they end up getting fired because they are too judgmental and will always find a way to use their power to look good in instances where a specific post/thread has no real rule breaking. It isn't their responsibility to be looking for previous rules hidden in the forum someplace. They are given a guide which should be updated every so often.Quote:
Originally Posted by mynameisCALLUM
Your job isn't to decide how people perceive the post, it is your job to decide whether it is directly at someone or not. IF someone reports the post, then you will know definitely that the post/thread was offensive to them. That is how mods make the same mistakes repeatedly.Quote:
Originally Posted by hayd93
Please let us know how you did it that way we don't start to pick up pitch forks and start a riot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elkaa
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Originally Posted by GommeInc
What if you make the same mistake over and over again? What will happen then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs.McCall
I think most mods think they can do the job but deep down, they are awful and can't figure out what the heck they need to do when editing a post that they cannot decide on. That is when abusive edits come in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Giano
You make it seem like knowing the material as a moderator is hard, we all see what mods do. Maybe not the modCP stuff but most of the other stuff and it turns out they spend more time issuing warnings and infractions without re-assessing the issue before taking action. It seems we can all do that without hesitation. So, even if someone hacked minty, it wouldn't be hard to be him. All you do it edit posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick-
Unfortunately, it is my nature to be intuative and often try to think around problems as opposed to running at them head on. What you have to realise is that as long as there is a set of rules, people will disagree with them, and people will inerpret them differently. Court cases can go on for years because one party interprets a law slightly different to another party, both of which are perfectly reasonable interpretations.Quote:
I respect you Alex in a sense that you are a good guy but sometimes you dance on my last nerve when you post because you are always trying to find a backdoor to every problem. Why not go forward to find a method to fix this instead of always looking the other way. Admitting to your mistakes is like being given another chance, maybe too many chances most of the time. Moderators a human, we get that...but that isn't the point. If the users want a community that works with proper rules, then they should get it. They should not have to deal with moderators, with smods, with staff but they should have to deal with management because those are the people who will make changes. Why not all the mods bug out of feedback threads so that management can deal with these more closely.
The wise move in this case would be to work with the forum rules we have, none of which are difficult to follow, and use them to our advantage. That's what they're there for. In this case, the problem can be easily avoided by either sticking to the topic and PMing the user your "additional" message, making sure your post as something to do with the topic (which it should do if it replies to a previous post in the thread) or otherwise make 200% sure that your post can't possible contrevene any plausible interpretation of the rules. You'll see members that have been here a long time (usually ruby upwards) doing just that, and receiving no edits at all.
An as for "moderators should bug out of feedback threads" when its kinda aimed at us, I think we have a right to comment on the criticisms being made.
I didn't understand 95% of what you were talking about. I did however pick out that people have two sides of a story and that people should use the PM system to send messages if a message was not relevant to the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Professor-Alex
I agree, people will always have a different side of a story but they must meet at a point where they will both agree on. But admitting to your mistakes isn't enough to convince everyone that you did something wrong. I certainly am not convinced that moderators won't do these stupid edits again just to get the attention.
As for your comment to "moderators should bug out of feedback threads", I think you guys should post in these threads but don't try to change someone's point of view just to save your butt.
We're not trying to change peoples' points of view, we're trying to offer solutions and advice about the problems. I don't quite see what there is to have a point of view about anyway, we've established the problem and the reason for the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by :....:mike:....:
I don't see anything about solving the problem?Quote:
Originally Posted by Professor-Alex
First of all, I am not stupid! The likelihood of me repeating the mistake again is slim and if I make the same mistake constantly over and over i'd be fired because that'd make me incompetent.Quote:
Originally Posted by :....:mike:....:
Which I am not :P
Editing posts is simple, the problems occur when judging which posts need an infraction and which don't. Some problems can also occur when actually issuing the infraction, if not carried out properly, the user it was issued to is entitled to an automatic reversal as a result.Quote:
Originally Posted by kk.
I'll give a fairly recent example of such a problem.
Now and again the word 'shiz' gets posted somewhere on the forum, we all know that this word isn't offensive or rude or even vulgar but its unusually close to a word that is all three of these therefore this can be construed as filter avoidance. If the rule wasn't clarified to the Moderators once this issue was raised, a new Moderator may issue an unjust infraction for this which would certainly raise a few flags in the SMod camp. ;)
Yes, previous experience is important when becoming a Moderator but, if you consider the current circumstances, a hacker isn't likely to have had previous experience of moderation on a forum with this many users and 4 million posts because they just wouldn't be dependable enough to be hired let alone maintain the position. :8
After being Staff on here for a year and a half I've seen Moderators change and learn lessons once the procedures have been made crystal clear. I had to have a couple of things cleared up after I first became a Moderator and I haven't made the same mistakes again. Now that I think about it I don't ever remember a single Moderator being fired for repeatedly making the same mistake, if mistakes are observed or are pointed out by people they are swiftly picked up on and, once the moderator is warned about them, learns to overcome them.Quote:
Originally Posted by :....:mike:....:
Also, 'No one ever said moderating was easy', doesn't that contradict what you've typed in direct response to my post? :S
It's not my place to get involved between you and Alex but I would like to point out that such a place does exist, its the complaints section. All threads created in the complaints section are answered by management who will then make changes if needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by :....:mike:....:
They do those things so that genuine rule breaking is highlighted for all, especially the rule breaker, to see. This response danced on my last nerve quite a bit too simply because its riddled with assumptions. You don't know the reason why moderators are fired, no one does, unless the ex Staff member tells someone via PM and then spreads the word, this assumption is not a valid argument to base feedback upon. Similarly, you also don't know the specifics of the Moderator Guide. FYI, it is updated frequently. It was updated yesterday, for example. I received a PM explaining the rule changes and why they were put in place. Once again, this assumption is not a valid basis for feedback.Quote:
Originally Posted by :....:mike:....:
It is not your place to tell a Moderator how to do their job. That's my job. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by :....:mike:....:
Unfortunately it's common place for people to deliberately avoid reporting an insulting post so that they can have the opportunity to fight back. That's just human nature to want to do that so not all posts are reported when someone is offended and sometimes a Moderator must step in to avoid the situation getting out of hand.
Why do you not trust the Forum Manager to sort out issues related to the very Staff he hired? :SQuote:
Originally Posted by :....:mike:....:
I am not at the liberty to say exactly how Elkaa dealt with this feedback because its a private matter but I can say that he definitely dealt with it because I was CC'ed a copy of it.
That's an unnecessary remark to make about Moderators and is not the sort of feedback we want in here. SMods are frequently PMed about uncertain situations and they are always happy to help and steer them in the right direction. Moderators are often encouraged to do so, in fact, I've been typing out the latest Moderator Report over the last 24 hours and I've said in several of the feedback comments that the SMods inbox is always open. They are encouraged on a regular basis to contact Super Moderators so that mistakes can be minimised. Yet again you've made an assumption that just isn't valid.Quote:
Originally Posted by :....:mike:....:
Actually, unless you've been a Moderator on here, you can't possibly make that sort of generalisation. You see what Moderators do externally which is essentially editing posts and PMing users about minor rule breaking. Internally, there is quite a bit more to it that you cannot possibly know about as you have not been a member of the moderation team. For the third time you've made an invalid assumption that cannot be used as the foundations of feedback. Moderators don't even have access to ModCP which proves that even the assumption that you've made is as flimsy as crêpe paper.Quote:
Originally Posted by :....:mike:....:
I would also like to refer back to your response to an earlier post that I pointed out as a contradiction of this post. No one ever said moderating was easy? I think you just did. ;)
Well, the truth is that Habbox has had trouble with its rules not being clear enough in the past. It ends up confusing everyone. Somebody should update the rules, instead of assuming everyone remembers an announcement made a back in 2006, when some users weren't even on at that time.
I was edited and warned for saying the common 4chan term, new***. I just don't know anymore.
As you have just proven, that word is filtered and has therefore been deemed as inappropriate for this forum. Just because other forums allow it, doesn't mean we have to. :)
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Originally Posted by Dr.Rdx
Thats funny, I made a thread on that and they havent warned me yet.