Moderators editing posts

[today]

Apprantly Minty was hacked by the same guy who hacked my msn and he said he infracted about 10 people or someinth on Minty's account? lol

If he was then he'll be banned..

http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=43717

[e5back2k7]

If he was then he'll be banned..

http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=43717

Maybe he doesn't know yet? :S I'm just passing on what was said.

[Tristan]

His msn was, I believe.
But it doesn't link to habbox or habbo, I think.

[Nick-]

Apprantly Minty was hacked by the same guy who hacked my msn and he said he infracted about 10 people or someinth on Minty's account? lol

I can definitely confirm that this is not true.
All infractions and warnings are checked by the Super Moderators and if a hacker did get onto a Moderator account and subtly started impersonating Staff by issuing infractions, the issue would be highlighted immediately.
Also, in the time it would take Thaddeus to realise he had been hacked (which he hasn't) the hacker wouldn't have had enough time to read the Moderator Guide and start genuinely moderating effectively. Even trialists who are trying their best to stick the guide as effectively as they possibly can make a few mistakes so a totally new person getting onto a Moderator account is likely to start making mistakes left, right and centre.

[kk.]

Thats what i was trying to explain, just didnt seem to be working!

LOOOL :redface_b
my bad. i didnt realise what you were saying lol

and nick, its pretty obvious how to moderate . Expecially if you have done it before

[:....:mike:....:]

Mike, I don't think you would last as a mod though. These guys give up their time for the forum and make decisions of their own back, if they're wrong, well it's just a mistake. Yes this rule needs reviewing, but I think everyone has put their point across.



Why are you doing this? Only 3 mods have posted and kept posting through new replies and have all semi admitted that the rule does need reviewing and there is a grey area about what to do in the case of the posts we are all discussing.

I am sort of offended from that comment about me not lasting as a mod. There is no evidence of that being anywhere near true, besides, I wouldn't want to be a slave for people who can't operate a normal community. There are no real mistakes in moderating, you have two decisions to decide from every time you read a post. NO one ever said moderating was easy, if you make a mistake you should know what or who you have to deal with. You are dealing with people your age, maybe younger or older.

Even though mods admitted they made mistakes, what is really the benefit out of that? They will probably make the same mistake again, again, again and again until they end up fired. If I were you, I'd fix that grey area since you seem to be defending mod's mistakes.

I love this guy ^ Have some rep

What do you want me to do mike, carry on repeating myself all night? That sort of attitude is exactly why there's such a divide between staff/moderators and members. WE ARE NOT TRYING TO WORK AGAINST YOU. We don't enjoy looking for fights, I sure as hell don't enjoy typing those massive long essays that I'll bet very few people read. We post in this thread to explain some points which need to be cleared up, defend ourselves against attacks (or admit the mistakes) and try to discuss the issue with members so we can reach some sort of consensus as to where the problem is and how best to solve it. We are not trying to win any wars against you, and we are not "giving in" simply because we've said our pieces and can't say a whole lot more.

We're trying to work with you to keep the forum fun to use. The sooner you drill that into your cranium the sooner we can start to put some of the issues right.

I respect you Alex in a sense that you are a good guy but sometimes you dance on my last nerve when you post because you are always trying to find a backdoor to every problem. Why not go forward to find a method to fix this instead of always looking the other way. Admitting to your mistakes is like being given another chance, maybe too many chances most of the time. Moderators a human, we get that...but that isn't the point. If the users want a community that works with proper rules, then they should get it. They should not have to deal with moderators, with smods, with staff but they should have to deal with management because those are the people who will make changes. Why not all the mods bug out of feedback threads so that management can deal with these more closely.

Thanks

And yeah, the not working against members is yet to be realised with many people. Have some rep back on Callum. (more to offer) for all your points in this thread, aswell as some other people .

I don't know why or how but what was with the change of heart? Now you are favoring mods for their mistakes vs them making you look like a complete idiot to the community.

"The village just called, they want their idiot back"

You know, I don't exactly try to sound rude, it just comes when I am frustrated about something. I try my best to sound polite.

Not that I am a rude person, just happens for me.

Every forum has a negative person not naturally negative but someone who doesn't exactly appreciate all the moronic responses that favor the wrong side.

It's not really abusing their powers, it's doing what they think is right as the rule that was posted 2006 was a long time ago and alot of moderators were not here in 2006. At the end of the day, they're doing their job to their ability, if they don't know the rule (which many members aswell don't) then it should be reminded.

They do things in a sense that it doesn't flow with the forum, all of this red text and infractions, it is all just a game to them. They try to be on top of the game on a daily basis. At the end of the day, they end up getting fired because they are too judgmental and will always find a way to use their power to look good in instances where a specific post/thread has no real rule breaking. It isn't their responsibility to be looking for previous rules hidden in the forum someplace. They are given a guide which should be updated every so often.

All i can say on this topic also is infractions.I don't enjoy giving out then,Members may think i do but i really do not.It causes divides between staff and members i think.Also when i hand a infraction out it actually causes more work for me as i have to type out all the details etc.Also people saying about me in spam forum etc editing all i can say is i try my best,Alot of people in there have jokes and sometimes is very hard for me to decide if it is a joke or a real insult.

Your job isn't to decide how people perceive the post, it is your job to decide whether it is directly at someone or not. IF someone reports the post, then you will know definitely that the post/thread was offensive to them. That is how mods make the same mistakes repeatedly.

I've looked into this and sorted it.

Please let us know how you did it that way we don't start to pick up pitch forks and start a riot.

... How? You can't control moderators? Or can you? Hmmm... Better not of touched the off-topic rule or death will follow.

I must've missed it, but I have read the rules like... 50 times over!

Well, I've apologised now and the point is made.

What if you make the same mistake over and over again? What will happen then?

Moderators can interpret posts wrongly, but I think it's there job to assess what they think is acceptable and whats not, and most of the time I think that their edits are justified
No one is perfect

I think most mods think they can do the job but deep down, they are awful and can't figure out what the heck they need to do when editing a post that they cannot decide on. That is when abusive edits come in.

I can definitely confirm that this is not true.
All infractions and warnings are checked by the Super Moderators and if a hacker did get onto a Moderator account and subtly started impersonating Staff by issuing infractions, the issue would be highlighted immediately.
Also, in the time it would take Thaddeus to realise he had been hacked (which he hasn't) the hacker wouldn't have had enough time to read the Moderator Guide and start genuinely moderating effectively. Even trialists who are trying their best to stick the guide as effectively as they possibly can make a few mistakes so a totally new person getting onto a Moderator account is likely to start making mistakes left, right and centre.

You make it seem like knowing the material as a moderator is hard, we all see what mods do. Maybe not the modCP stuff but most of the other stuff and it turns out they spend more time issuing warnings and infractions without re-assessing the issue before taking action. It seems we can all do that without hesitation. So, even if someone hacked minty, it wouldn't be hard to be him. All you do it edit posts.

[The Professor]

I respect you Alex in a sense that you are a good guy but sometimes you dance on my last nerve when you post because you are always trying to find a backdoor to every problem. Why not go forward to find a method to fix this instead of always looking the other way. Admitting to your mistakes is like being given another chance, maybe too many chances most of the time. Moderators a human, we get that...but that isn't the point. If the users want a community that works with proper rules, then they should get it. They should not have to deal with moderators, with smods, with staff but they should have to deal with management because those are the people who will make changes. Why not all the mods bug out of feedback threads so that management can deal with these more closely.

Unfortunately, it is my nature to be intuative and often try to think around problems as opposed to running at them head on. What you have to realise is that as long as there is a set of rules, people will disagree with them, and people will inerpret them differently. Court cases can go on for years because one party interprets a law slightly different to another party, both of which are perfectly reasonable interpretations.

The wise move in this case would be to work with the forum rules we have, none of which are difficult to follow, and use them to our advantage. That's what they're there for. In this case, the problem can be easily avoided by either sticking to the topic and PMing the user your "additional" message, making sure your post as something to do with the topic (which it should do if it replies to a previous post in the thread) or otherwise make 200% sure that your post can't possible contrevene any plausible interpretation of the rules. You'll see members that have been here a long time (usually ruby upwards) doing just that, and receiving no edits at all.

An as for "moderators should bug out of feedback threads" when its kinda aimed at us, I think we have a right to comment on the criticisms being made.

[:....:mike:....:]

Unfortunately, it is my nature to be intuative and often try to think around problems as opposed to running at them head on. What you have to realise is that as long as there is a set of rules, people will disagree with them, and people will inerpret them differently. Court cases can go on for years because one party interprets a law slightly different to another party, both of which are perfectly reasonable interpretations.

The wise move in this case would be to work with the forum rules we have, none of which are difficult to follow, and use them to our advantage. That's what they're there for. In this case, the problem can be easily avoided by either sticking to the topic and PMing the user your "additional" message, making sure your post as something to do with the topic (which it should do if it replies to a previous post in the thread) or otherwise make 200% sure that your post can't possible contrevene any plausible interpretation of the rules. You'll see members that have been here a long time (usually ruby upwards) doing just that, and receiving no edits at all.

An as for "moderators should bug out of feedback threads" when its kinda aimed at us, I think we have a right to comment on the criticisms being made.

I didn't understand 95% of what you were talking about. I did however pick out that people have two sides of a story and that people should use the PM system to send messages if a message was not relevant to the thread.

I agree, people will always have a different side of a story but they must meet at a point where they will both agree on. But admitting to your mistakes isn't enough to convince everyone that you did something wrong. I certainly am not convinced that moderators won't do these stupid edits again just to get the attention.

As for your comment to "moderators should bug out of feedback threads", I think you guys should post in these threads but don't try to change someone's point of view just to save your butt.

[The Professor]

As for your comment to "moderators should bug out of feedback threads", I think you guys should post in these threads but don't try to change someone's point of view just to save your butt.

We're not trying to change peoples' points of view, we're trying to offer solutions and advice about the problems. I don't quite see what there is to have a point of view about anyway, we've established the problem and the reason for the problem.

[:....:mike:....:]

We're not trying to change peoples' points of view, we're trying to offer solutions and advice about the problems. I don't quite see what there is to have a point of view about anyway, we've established the problem and the reason for the problem.

I don't see anything about solving the problem?