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As Tom Baker says, we let you win because you threatened to cry.
Don't really know much about this, but from what I do know I would rather Obama :)
LOL, I said a war we started.. not a war we got involved in.. and dropped out of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shrlurp
What are you talking about we "lost in Ghana?"
We've already been to Afghanistan once, what stops us from winning again?
You started Vietnam...
And im from UK and know more about America's military history than you do?
US merked Afghanistan
The reason they went there they still havn't resolved.
Lets nuke it.
Maybe you should read this: http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/vietnam.htmQuote:
Originally Posted by Shrlurp
Technically we didn't start it, we just got involved in it, and escalated it even more.. maybe you should read up on the history of it? :rolleyes:Quote:
The war started in November 1946, when the French bombarded the port of Haiphong and killed 6,000 people.
Maybe America should stay out of other peoples business and sort it's own people out before giving a monkey about the french...
Well at the end of the day you can say what you want about the US, but they are still the most powerful nation in the world.
we should be supporting our american friends and not take sides with countries that believe in reincarnation! countries that have leaders that refuse to give its people human rights! that kill their own!
unstable countries!!!! they need watching very closely
The IRA aren't terrorists? LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Dentafrice
They didn't lose in Vietnam, they didn't win it either I know, but neither did the Northern Vietnamese.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shrlurp
Uncalled for, why do you care what homosexuals do behind doors if it doesn't affect you? I respect people's decisions if they have a decent argument or belief to not like or believe in homosexuals, however you haven't said anything yet to convince me you have a constructive and mature argument. Most people against homosexual marriages wouldn't go as far to say they should be shot anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sc0tteh
Best of luck getting codes from the UN, that task is virtually impossible and oh, nearly all the UK's nuclear weapons have expired and no longer work. Same goes for a lot of Russia and USA's weapons but they continued to make them longer than us so they still have them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sc0tteh
Countries that believe in reincarnation? Plenty of people probably feel the same about countries that believe in God. Leaders that refuse to give human rights? Oh, like abortion and same sex partnership. And killing their own...like execution, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue.Neon
lol@ joe the plumber who would actually benefit from obama's tax plan but doesnt really know what he's talking about so he thought otherwise. and how is she blue collar? joe biden is probably one of the poorest of the senators of them all. it's a beaten fact but he still takes the train to work. i hardly relate to mccain's 7 houses. im from a very stereotypical blue-collar family.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dentafrice
that wasnt my point. my point was that "experience" is a) such a broad term and b) a completely invalid deciding factor. it means nothing and just a few examples can prove that. i think it's mind-blowingly idiotic to talk about experience when it obviously means nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dentafrice
thank you for explaining how sex works. ive learned so much. until someone explains to me how a same-sex marriage would in any way effect someone completely uninvolved in it, i dont see why not make it legal. plenty of things humans do aren't "natural," including all those nice drugs and cures for things we have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dentafrice
black guy should win because he's black
First black president? woo.
Face it dentafrice, the world hates you.
dentrafice is alright, so dont even say stuff like that. he's waaaaaaaaay better than most people i have debates with about this stuff. at least he's being honest and reasonable. even though i disagree with him on most things, i'd hardly say i hate him. its nice to have a civil conversation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Technologic
I'm British and to me this election is every bit as important as the ones in our country. Over the past eight years the Americans have tried to dictate what the rest of us do and their government have acted like an outrageous and angry mob of drunk barbarians who are hungry for power and will do whatever they can to gain it.
I'm going to sit up all night to watch the results come in, and if the Republicans win, I'm going to take the follwing day off work and howl my way through a bottle of whiskey.
John McCain is a savage, warmongering idiot and he scares me. But not as much as Sarah Palin scares me. If McCain was to kick the bucket (and let's be honest, he's knocking on a bit and hasn't got the most enviable medical history) then she will take the reins and we'll be plunged into the dark ages. I've watched the vice-presidential debates aswell as a number of her speeches, and her recklessness and disregard for anything other than her own people and her own success terrifies me.
In her first address to the party she stood up and ridiculed Obama for "wanting to turn back the waters and heal the planet." The only reason she gave for considering war on Russia was that "that's what NATO allies are suposed to do." She believes that the war in Iraq is a "task from God."
A mission from God - It's used in The Blues Brothers constantly, as a successful joke. This woman, like Bush, intends to use it as foreign policy.
Although John McCain is clearly a man with very flawed opinions, he is an old man with years of experience, and the appointment of this woman who willingly promotes herself as a "pitbull" as his potential vice-president is almost as stupid and irresponsible as some of his menacing policies.
Their party of "mavericks" are actually just a clique of blithe, narrow-minded and uncivil rampants who continue to be stuborn and un-cooperative looking out only for number one.
Eight more years of American-Republican leadership for the world is an awful prospect, and I hope to hell that those of you across that pond who see sense will do the right thing and vote for the Democrats.
Obama may not be a highly distinguished man who has faught in a war and has decades and decades of experience, but he IS a man of true, righteous principles. A man who actually cares for the rest of the world, as well as his own country. He's pro-active but not gung-ho and reckless like his opponents, and unlike McCain, he has a wise and diplomatic running mate.
Obama for me, would be a breath of fresh air and a man worth voting for.
It's about time the people on this planet stop acting like childish ****heads and sort themselves out. It's about time we grew up a little and stopped being so petulant. It's about time we worked together, gave each other space, and stopped behaving like schoolyard bullies.
None of this is possible if America votes Republican.
I agree with you 100% on the fact that freedom doesn't mean total anarchy and no rules, with freedom comes responsibility and if the majority of america don't agree with gay marriage, their shouldn't be gay marriage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dentafrice
I disagree with you over the 'fighting for freedom', i'm afraid the soliders are fighting an illegal war and they should be returned to their families as soon as possible, no should die for the mistakes and lies of the Bush Administration.
Your other point said that America should get revenge, revenge against whom exactly? - revenge against the Iraqi people and their country which was steadily being built up into a modern state before the George H Bush administration put sanctions on the nation, and then his son came along and blew the place up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue.Neon
Afgahistan, well if we really went in their to get Bin Laden, why did coalition forces only enter the country 2 MONTHS after the twin towers were destroyed, as Michael Moore points out. The truth is that Afgahistan was a way to get the scared public behind the Bush Administration for what their real plan was, Iraq.
I think he's reading that, yes I agree with that he's saying completely however he's not getting that from him head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sc0tteh
He's probably wrote it down before he read it.
thats not his writing either I don't thinkQuote:
Originally Posted by Sc0tteh
Will be, making it that obvious hes reading i doubt he'd go out publically and speak against half of america and obama reading someone else's speach lol.
You have to remember alot of people will have the same views as him however thats professionally writtenQuote:
Originally Posted by Sc0tteh
well, even if that is the case, i still 100% agree with him :)
It's wrong to disrespect the soldiers of tha armed forces, i think everyone agrees on that. they work hard for their countries and put their lives in danger for their nation.
But to say that the USA and UK are going into Iraq and Afganistan to 'protect themselves' is wrong. The whole basis for going into Afganistan was to overthrow the taliban and capture bin laden, neither which has happened, daily there are reports of Taliban fighters killing Afghans and British soldiers and where's Bin Laden? Iraq was sold to the UK as a country run by a dictator that killed hundreds of thousands of his own people (mostly ethnic minorities like the Kurds) and had missiles that he would use against Eastern Europe and Israel. Nothing to do with terrorism and protecting the USA, but Israel. As a result we have people who aren't discouraged by the violence but are willing to carry out attacks (like in Spain, Bali and London). The violence in Iraq and Afghan is opnly fueling hatred towards the west. AND TO CRAWL INTO SYRIA AND ATTACK CIVILLIANS THERE! That is AWFUL. The USA nor any other nation has any right to walk into another counrtry take prisoners and leave is awful.
And to say the USA has very free press is bullcrap, the press freedom index places USA VERY low, the UK also.
John McCain has voted more than 90% with president bush, and if you believe things will change you are wrong. And Sarah Palin is a joke, she lies, and it has been proven. As does Barack Obama with the whole Ayres thing. Sarah Palin has been accused of abusing her power, increased spending and ran up debts in Alaska. She was an awful pick for McCain, probably his downfall. Obama is not much better, apart from his tax plan, which is something that McCain agreed with 4 years ago, giving middle class people a break and taxing the rich more , as they had 'reached a level of ciomfort'
anyway i would write more, but i gotta go. byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee/
Actually if you watch the news you'd know that McCain is actually ahead of Obama when it comes to the war in Iraq... in the lates polls
MCCAIN TO WIN! Obama wont bring any good!
Obviously.Quote:
Originally Posted by alexxxxx
If the US go in to find bin laden and their forces fight with us, do you expect us just to withdraw, as the video states "The day we stop fighting is the day we lose our freedom"Quote:
But to say that the USA and UK are going into Iraq and Afganistan to 'protect themselves' is wrong. The whole basis for going into Afganistan was to overthrow the taliban and capture bin laden, neither which has happened, daily there are reports of Taliban fighters killing Afghans and British soldiers and where's Bin Laden?
Obviously if they have missiles etc then they would be protecting US as theres nothing to say they won't use them against US or UK, so to an extent is is, its also (another reference to the video) giving people the freedom they deserve.Quote:
Iraq was sold to the UK as a country run by a dictator that killed hundreds of thousands of his own people (mostly ethnic minorities like the Kurds) and had missiles that he would use against Eastern Europe and Israel. Nothing to do with terrorism and protecting the USA,
Yes they do.Quote:
but Israel. As a result we have people who aren't discouraged by the violence but are willing to carry out attacks (like in Spain, Bali and London). The violence in Iraq and Afghan is opnly fueling hatred towards the west. AND TO CRAWL INTO SYRIA AND ATTACK CIVILLIANS THERE! That is AWFUL. The USA nor any other nation has any right to walk into another counrtry take prisoners and leave is awful.
Get over it.Quote:
And to say the USA has very free press is bullcrap, the press freedom index places USA VERY low, the UK also.
McCain is great, but salin palin is obviously his downfall as you said, which was unfortunate for him but still. Barack just uses his colour :rolleyes: No matter what most countrys are going to increase spending soon to help with the economic crisis, hence all the news reports on "Backing on Keynes" if you knew who keynes is you'd know what was happening.Quote:
John McCain has voted more than 90% with president bush, and if you believe things will change you are wrong. And Sarah Palin is a joke, she lies, and it has been proven. As does Barack Obama with the whole Ayres thing. Sarah Palin has been accused of abusing her power, increased spending and ran up debts in Alaska. She was an awful pick for McCain, probably his downfall. Obama is not much better, apart from his tax plan, which is something that McCain agreed with 4 years ago, giving middle class people a break and taxing the rich more , as they had 'reached a level of ciomfort'
http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008...ing/index.html
look at that map of the latest polls - it shows which state voted for which candidate
McCain has won most of the south and obama with the east
But at the side..
Obama - 49%
McCain - 44%
Unsure - 7%
I want McCain to win, I think he's quite funny and that Sarah Palin makes me laugh aswell, with her winking all the time. Yeah, John McCain to win!!
By you i meant uptight republicans in general xlQuote:
Originally Posted by RedStratocas
And anyway voting in america is a mess.
You dont even vote for the president, you vote for somebody who represents your state. This person then gets to choose between the TWO candidates. Two parties... So even if the majority says one thing it can swing the other way. Also, people can challenge your right to vote at polling stations and you can imagine that some of the challeneges will be based on race, colour, social status or even if they suport the oppsing party...
that video made me laugh out loud. 1:15 onwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sc0tteh
Correct me if i'm wrong but I thought you DID vote for the president, unlike in this country where you vote for the representative. AND you can vote for third parties such As Nader (i think that's his name) and others. Is that not correct? If not, then the USA is not a true democracy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Technologic
It isn't a threat to the UK or USA as the missiles were proven not to have that much of a range and to say a country has a right to go into another country, kill civillians and take prisoners, then that sounds an awful lot like 'terrorism' to me.Quote:
Obviously if they have missiles etc then they would be protecting US as theres nothing to say they won't use them against US or UK, so to an extent is is, its also (another reference to the video) giving people the freedom they deserve.
To say 'get over it' to non-free press is to pretty much take a poo on the whole idea of freedom.
Barack Obama isn't playing the race card, I believe he has only ever said something that could be considered that when he was on about not looking like all the other presidents on the bills (even then, that could be taken metaphorically). Though what I don't like about Obama is that he tries to sell himself too much, like he's a product, a brand. The only thing I have that I would vote for him is a bit of an economic plan which McCain doesn't have at all. McCain even said he doesn't have enough knowlege on the economy. McCain is a warmongerer which scares me, as the UK are the USA's lapdog and seem to do anything they say (such as signing one-way treaties regarding extradition and not complaining or standing up to the USA when they wouldn't extradite soldiers who shot a British soldier dead).
I'd think that the majority of the population here think that Iraq/Afganistan is a mess and that we'd like to leave asap.
I think that McCain sounds like a decent guy, as he corrected a member of his audience when he shouted that Obama was a muslim terrorist. I also think that experience does count for something as well.
McCain and Obama don't have any real answers to anything, but I'd probably vote for Obama as McCain's choice for VP and little knowlege on the economy and his sometimes vicious and over the top attacks on Obama. Obama will only win this election because of his clean campaign and his tax plan, he's not an outstanding candidate at all.
That's how they do it, it happened ages ago when the people vtoed for one guy but the government didnt like him so chose the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by alexxxxx
Well that's a bit crap then aha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Technologic
None of them know about the economy really, they go with books and previous presidents decisions or economists from the past.
So looking back on history to help the future is a ridiculous notion? :eusa_dancQuote:
Originally Posted by Sc0tteh
Also about the Obama is using the race card, that's completely ridiculous, he's using his expertise, his experience, his enthusiasm etc..
I don't see how Mccain is so great? I'm sure I'd get on well with him as a person, but his ideals and rhetoric are greatly flawed and old fashioned. Look at conservative Colin Powell who is backing Barack Obama because he considers Mccain's ideas on the economy to be unsatisfactory.
Also I've not read the entire thread, alas it is too long but Dentafrice or somebody said that because of the foundations of religion within the united states of america, gay marriage should not be passed. Did you completely miss the founding fathers decision to make religion and state seperate.
If the religous of America would like to start poking their noses into politics, perhaps they should stop being a no tax organisation and run as a political movement.