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I think what annoys people (and by people I mean me) about the way you debate is that you put your argument across as if its fact, when it isn't. You don't know it will not make people post in other areas, as its never been done before so none of us know.Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
Why do you have reason to believe it might? - and more to the point, when the forum is struggling with numbers you do not go and potentially harm it (shoot yourself in the foot). Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammeth.
However you know it will? :SQuote:
Originally Posted by Sammeth.
Its a start for new members to build it up.
It's only a post count, why do you care so much?Quote:
Originally Posted by 00chips
If people wanna build post count up, let them get on with it? It isn't going to stop you sleeping at night.. or is it?
Under your reckoning Spam should have post count. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hackney
You must wonder why a ranking system is in place as well.. oh what a sheltered life.
If they want that higher post count, what do you imagine they would have to do? Hint: the answer is post elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
What part of "none of us know" did you not get in his post?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sergio
Evidence is in the name dear ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by 00chips
Welcome Forum - To Welcome new members, therefore it has a point.
Spam Forum - Discussions that don't necessarily have a point and they do not need to keep to a specific target or discussion and can be a complete mess if need be.
Removing the post count in the Welcome Forum is pointless, especially when there aren't that many threads in that forum to 'pointlessly' say "Welcome" in, despite the fact that alot of the posts are on-topic and welcoming. I fail to see your point that the Welcome Forum is a spam forum? :/
EDIT: Digging deeper, each Bronze Star is 100 posts in that forum, good luck to anyone attempting to gain 100 posts in that forum to gain each individual bronze star, they'd be dead by the end of the year attempting such a devilish feat. :P
The reasons I think it might is because if they can't post there to increase their post count they will post elsewhere on the forum to get their post count up. If they bothered enough to register one would assume they want to keep posting so will try their best to make sure they get through the newly registered member stage. But thats not to say it definately will. Thats why I have reason to beleive this, just like you have reasons to beleive what you beleive. The point I was actually making is that you state your opinion like its fact, when it isn't fact. You really annoy me. Thats a fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
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Originally Posted by Sammeth.
Yeah cus thats what I said....Quote:
Originally Posted by Sergio
For the love of God :rolleyes:. You were responding to Dan's comment which stated that you can't make people post elsewhere. His post was a reply to a comment saying making this change will make people post elsewhere. You were defending this point so by definition you also said it.
I wasn't defending any point, I was stating you shouldn't say something is fact when it isn't. I do happen to agree that removing the post count increase would be pointless, but its just the principle of saying something is fact when it isn't. Thats the point I was trying to get across.
Oh right, so you were just being pedantic for the sake of it regardless of the thread topic. And I got a -rep because of it. Cheers (Y)
No I wasn't being pedantic, I was pointing out a flaw in his post which is what this whole thread is based on. If its going to be a proper debate, it may as well be done properly. It was on the topic of the thread. Getting -rep is clearly my fault and not your own for not reading properly :SQuote:
Originally Posted by Sergio
He wasn't being pedantic, it's extremely bad form to state something as fact when it is isn't, especially in a discussion that deals with changes and how they might affect things. If you think that sort of thing is fine then here's a FACT*: you not being a part of this discussion would make it far more intelligent and beneficial in outcome.
*Not a fact but let's ignore that huh, after all it'd be pedantic to quibble
i cantbelieve all this is really about weather or not peoples posts count increase in welcome forums or not
The whole point is that I did read the previous posts which is what led me to believe you were challenging Dan's post in favour of the opposing statement which had been made previously in the thread. The point is, it is a fact that you can't make people post anywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammeth.
No mate, your posts in this thread essentially consist of you whining about people using the Welcome thread to welcome new members (wow shock horror) and then going on about insignificant details like the last time the issue was raised. I actually contributed to the debate with a well thought out response which, as far as I'm concerned you basically overlooked. Not to mention virtually just completely dismissing Dan's opinion based on pedantic details like a single word. Your argument with him isn't even relevant to the discussion. Then you have the cheek to tell me it would be more beneficial if I didn't take part?Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyingJesus
I tell you what, the whole forum would be better off without busy-bodies like you needlessly protesting pointless non-problematic issues.
Tell me about it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham,
If only we could have discussions of this depth across the board eh?
Nice skim reading, I especially like the part where you seem to have totally disregarded all the points mentioned as to why this is a good idea in order to just attempt to attack me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sergio
That was only in reply to you saying it had never been brought up before, which you were trying to use as an argument against the thread, so it was hardly insignificant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sergio
Which points have I overlooked? I apologise if I truly have, but as far as I can see the only times I haven't replied to you directly have been when a point's already been covered previously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sergio
This I simply haven't done, and I'll thank you not to make such comments about me and how I work in discussions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sergio
No no, that wasn't a fact remember ;) In any case, it was only to be supposed as any sort of view, whether fact or opinion, if you really do think that stating an opinionated prediction as fact is fine. I'm sure you're not so foolish as to do that, so the view that you shouldn't take part is not one that has come to light.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sergio
The use of "would" there is disguising opinion as fact, how odd that you do that right after exactly such an action has been criticised. You'd probably do well not to make this personal, I understand it's not much fun when you're trying to stand up for behaviour totally unbefitting an otherwise intelligent discussion and being called out for it, but it's simply not good debate etiquette.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sergio
If Sam hadn't corrected Dan then those not in the know might have believed on his word that what he was saying was fact, and if we hadn't corrected you on your following post then it could have skewed peoples' view on what Sam had meant (which may have had a negative impact on how people see him as a member of discussions, and if we were to believe you then Sam's entire opinion was on the other "side" as it were so it benefits you and your argument that we did correct you), so both were entirely justified.
I'd spend time replying to you properly but most of that right there is completely hypocritical and you're clearly out to cause arguments which you seem to be focusing on a lot more than the actual thread topic, as you once again overlooked the part of my post that is most relevant to the topic, so it's just not worth it.
Other than "(wow shock horror)" I didn't leave out anything you said to me there. I'm quite clearly not looking to cause arguments, I'm trying to stop people making false claims, and I asked questions of you as I really do want to know what points you think I haven't replied to, so that if there are any I can do so. Of course if people make disparaging remarks about me and my methods I'll respond, but I haven't done so aggressively and have instead simply replied to each part of your post.
As for being hypocritical, I'm not sure quite what you mean as to be hypocritical I'd have to first rebuke someone, and the only place I can see that having happened is in (rightly) saying that people shouldn't post opinions as facts, something I can't imagine I've done. I invite you (just as I invited you to show me what points I'd missed out on) to show me how and where I've been a hypocrite, for again it seems you are simply attacking me with false allegations.
Ermmm.... you are being hypocritical because you were the one who began the personal attacking and now you're just trying to make yourself out to be an innocent victim. I've fallen into these traps before and got myself into trouble so I won't be arguing with you as you have once again proven you'd rather argue off topic with me than focus on the thread topic and I have now got two -reps for essentially disagreeing with you. Good night.
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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus
Hi remember me?Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyingJesus
I have tried to get back on topic by asking what points you feel I've missed out on but as this hasn't been addressed there is nothing for me to reply to other than your attempts at making me look a villain. I welcome all opposition as long as it's well written and of clear thought.
I haven't read through all the numerous pages. But this is a superb suggestion, people who just post in there for post account are just annoying and there are often the same few.
Generally something well defined should be that post count increases when there is some productive disucussion going on with views and opinions etc. and not just a simple "hello :)" that increases post count. I think people will still post in there, those who want new members to feel welcome and not those who just post for the hell of raising post count.
So very nice idea, I'm fully behind you on this :D!
May I just add my two pennies towards you please?Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyingJesus
You have got to be the biggest immature, unpleasant, and biggest hypocrite on this forum. You flame me for giving a good idea of limiting the amount of threads guests can view, to encourage them to sign up. You told me to provide proof, which I could not do as I wouldn't know, but I provided examples of it working on other forums. Then, you have the audacity to come into this thread and support this pathetic idea, by saying 'OH YEAH, IT WILL WORK, IT MUST!! ITLL MAKE PEOPLE POST IN OTHER AREAS ON THE FORUM!!!", without having any proof? I ask you this, how can you guarantee that it'll work? PROOF please?
And if you say ''WELL WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL WE TRY!!'', then I'd laugh in your face.
Until you provide proof I am not buying this idea at all.
I like it now the boot is on the other foot now. :)
They wouldn't though, Habbox Forum needs to stop acting as if the members are as loyal as glue because as proven by the recent decline thats simply not true, instead of trying to make rules/regulations for every small thing and trying to force them to post elsewhere, leave them be.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyingJesus
I think my opinions are right most of the time yes, thats why they are my opinions and as I see them as correct, I will tend to state them as fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammeth.
I never said it was a fact, or didn't intend it to be. In my opinion it would hurt the forum, but as I thought we all knew how to debate properly in this forum I thought I wouldn't have to put the childish example of ""MY OPINION"" at the bottom of my every post, but obviously I do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammeth.
**MY OPINIONS!!**
So you haven't read what I've said at all then? The last few pages have been mostly about how there is no certainty that people will post elsewhere, so don't start putting words in my mouth as that is slander and should not be tolerated. As for proof, if you'd care to read the first post you may notice that the preferred outcome of this would be to stop people from using welcome threads in the same way they used to use forum games - that is, for the easy raising of a high post count. Taking away the post count would quite obviously do that, and the proof is in the fact that if you do not get a post count for posting there, people cannot post there for that purpose. It's really quite simple, and you needn't get angry just because I shot your idea to shreds. I've done nothing immature or hypocritical, so you may stop that sort of talk right away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolves,
I've stated plenty of times in this thread that I would rather see even a small number of these people posting elsewhere (as is fairly likely to happen, unless they're here solely for the welcome threads which I can't see being the case) and others leave than have a multitude of pointless posts which truly don't serve to properly welcome people - see previous posts for examples. Of course I can't possibly hope that taking away the post count in welcome threads will instantly turn all of those spamming out generic copied messages into well spoken debators, but quite clearly if they can't get their post count up there, those who are there just for the counts will have to go elsewhere to do it - or give up, which as I've said before won't be any great loss to us as that is not the sort of person we need here.Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
It's entirely fair that you believe your opinions to be right, of course they wouldn't be your opinions if you didn't, but stating them as fact is bad debate etiquette whatever your intention.Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
Clearly we don't all know how to debate properly if some of us are wanting to call opinions facts, Dan. It's not childish at all to say that you have an opinion, and frankly you putting things such as "WILL NOT" in bold certainly does look like you intend it to be taken as fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-