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To the people who believed in him and so on, then maybe he is to them. But last time I remember a lot of innocent people died because of that man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gibs960
But you should be blaming the government on this one, not the men and women who are in the British armed services fighting over in Afghan. They are there doing their job and they are trying to do it at their best. So actually show them some respect.
Just read through and Gibs - you need to show some respect, that guy was out there fighting for his country and the protection of innocent people - I'd say that's enough for his daughter to call him a hero.
Also, you need to brush up on your knowledge, the Taliban have never bombed Britain because the Taliban aren't a terrorist organisation, they are a fundamentalist religious group who reside in some areas of Afghanistan and Pakistan and their aims are to be in control of said countries.
It is Al Qaeda who have attacked Britain/USA in the past, a completely different group with very few links. What you don't realise is that there are many, many plots to attack this country every single month however you don't hear about many because security services stop them before they get anywhere.
You seem to forget that a bomb was found on a British plane, on British soil only a month or two ago also. Just because it didn't go off doesn't mean it wasn't an attack.
And if the bombs are still being found & stopped then the army aren't doing a very good job are they and anyone can become a hero if they join the army right? And also a lot of people have died because of the decision to go to Afghanistan
If the bombs are found and stopped that means the Armed Services, the Police and so on are doing a good job. It isn't easy preventing terrorism when it will always be a threat to this country, luckily plots are found before anything big happens (It isn't perfect but it will get better over the years) At least they haven't gone off and killed more innocent people like London 2005.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gibs960
Yes, a lot of people may of died in Afghanistan but the British Armed Services are not over there to kill innocent people. They are there to keep them safe, yes accidents do happen and sadly they do get caught up in the fire fight.
You seem to be somewhat confused, the war in Afghanistan is scarcely (if at all) linked to terrorism. The Taliban are a militant religious group who used to control Afghanistan in a god damn awful way and that's what we're stopping them doing, the only link to terrorism is that the Taliban recieve financial support from some members of Al Qaeda and some rich Saudis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gibs960
The army are nothing to do with stopping terrorist attacks on home soil.
But if they're still being found then Al Qaeda are still a massive terrorist organisation that are going to continue to kill British soldiers, anyway I'm not even wasting my time anymore, the man is not ahero.
You seriously have no clue do you? That man is a hero for fighting in the Armed Services no matter what war he did it in. That is face and that will stay with his family for the rest of their lives. You may not like that fact but you will have to deal with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gibs960
In the end, he chose to go out, he knew the risks. Being in the army is just a job with more risks, that's how I see it. It's not being a hero or anything like that, it's just getting on. They are only a hero if they specifically save certain peoples lives because you know they did, us fighting them might not have saved anyone at all really and we probably don't know the half of what goes on out there. It's not our governments fault he died, he signed up and he knew of what could happen and if anything he is the selfish one. If he really cared about his family he wouldn't have left them when his daughter was so young.
But in having soldiers in Afghanistan, I don't see why we help them? The chances our even when (if) they get back to a normal status, they would probably never help us at all.
In the end he knew the risks and chose to take them.
The war may seem pointless but it's more about keeping Afghanistan & Iraq stable rather than trying to take them over or finding anything anymore.
The war was/is illegal, but we can't go back and stop Blair making the decision, so really we can't do anything. We can't just pull out because the Taliban will take over Afghanistan and Iraq. We need to leave the country a better place than we entered it. No matter if the war is illegal or not, we need to at least show that we're doing it for the better. Pulling out won't don't that, it will just show we went in there to find imaginary weapons and left when it suited us. Now we have to focus on making them safe countries to live in rather than fighting off the opposition.
Obviously this is a sad story, but as I said, all soldiers know what they're getting themselves in for, they know the risks, they choose to take them. He wasn't forced into the army, he wasn't forced to go to Afghanistan, it was his choice and he opted to take it. It's sad we've lost another soldier, but it's not the fault of the Government. Don't turn loss of life into a debate about politics.
How does this fit the bill?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gibs960
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-SIM-card.html
If they hadn't been found then who knows what would have happened. It's not what you know about it's what you don't. Members of our security services work against terrorism daily and those who don't think that the constant battle/ war against terrorism globally isn't necessary
are pretty naïve in my opinion.